r/MurderedByWords Jan 05 '25

Murder Vegan elitist is called out.

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u/LuckyfromGermany Jan 05 '25

Wood glue contains animals? Thats rare. I don't know about the US, but here in Germany, We use PVA (Polyvinylacetate or whatever ->KPVAC-> Polyvinylacetat-dispersionsklebstoff)

That stuff does not contain anything remotely related to animals.

There is Some sort of bone glue, but that is only used for period accutate restorations over here.

I Guess the US uses something pretty similar to PVA, although the classic US wood glue always seems to be yellow-ish, while the german wood glue is pretty much as white as it can get.

But thats a rant that nobody is here for.

Source: I am a Carpenter in Germany

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u/sudoku7 Jan 05 '25

I think it's just a case of a little bit of knowledge since wood glue used to be be animal based, now-a-days it's far more likely to be 'accidentally vegan,' as the standard happens to be vegan.

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u/pearlsbeforedogs Jan 05 '25

So I guess since they pointed out it is a vintage piano, there is a possibility it was built with glue potentially made at least partly from animals. So the question becomes: can buying second-hand (and especially things made many years ago) items still be considered vegan? In some traditions, by not letting that animal's scarifice be wasted, then you are paying greater respect. And since the item is not encouraging ever more production and consumption, it is arguably better for the planet and animals currently alive. So can vegans buy, wear, and use second-hand items made from animals, especially in cases where a used non-vegan item lasts much longer than a new vegan counterpart?

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u/ChloeB42 Jan 06 '25

It'll ultimately come down to the vegan themselves and their own philosophy behind veganism. For me I'm about reducing harm and not supporting the exploitation of animals, humans included. So for me 2nd hand is fine, so is cross contamination, non vegan medicines (if no other alternative exists currently) etc... but for some it's strictly the use itself of animals or animal products that is the problem.

2nd hand, to me, will always be a better alternative to new, no matter what materials imo because the exploitation of both the animals used to make the product, and the exploitation of the workers who made it, is already paid for. Better to not feed into any more exploitation than to buy something brand new that does.