r/MurderedByWords Jan 31 '25

#1 Murder of Week Your response is concerning, Bobby!

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u/a-pilot Jan 31 '25

He was a heroin addict for 17 years and had a brain worm! This is the best we’ve got?!?!?

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u/Layton_Jr Jan 31 '25

He claimed that his brain worm made him "mentally unfit" to avoid paying child support but don't worry he's cured now that he's offered a government position!

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u/Sorry_Consequence816 Jan 31 '25

My AuDHD ass could do way better….mostly because I would ask experts in the field for guidance as much as possible instead of going by the comparatively minuscule knowledge I have in the field. Then again I guess that requires the ability to admit when you’re over your head and need assistance to serve the people in the best way possible instead of pushing my own ideals.

If we did that everyone would be eating way more nachos. /s

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u/FrostyerDoggo Jan 31 '25

The idea they run off of is that every expert is secretly part of an org designed to ruin humanity. It's such a dumb concept but who knows maybe I'm the sucker.

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u/Original-Campaign-52 Jan 31 '25

I mean its so obvious. You got your doctors, who actually wanna give everyone autism. Once everyone has autism ... profit.

How do people not see it?

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u/Qira57 Jan 31 '25

Fucking exactly! Also AuDHD, and I know I don’t know enough shit to make these goddamn decisions. They’re called experts for a fucking reason!

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u/tatojah Jan 31 '25

This world has taught me to always trust someone who shows they aren't 100% sure of their skills and qualifications.

1) They're honest.

2) They will crowdsource information with other subject experts

3) If they still fuck up, they'll most likely own up to it just like they own up to their flaws.

Unfortunately, the world has turned to speculation in all sorts of ways. Tesla profits tanking yet the stock doesn't dip? I hate that what people believe is more valuable than the truth. these days.

But as for Bobby Wormbrain: If you're a skeptic of everything but the things you believe, you're not a skeptic, you're delusional.

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u/ensalys Jan 31 '25

AuDHD

You mean autism and ADHD, right? My mind went to autism deficiency hyperactivity disorder, and later to gold deficiency hyperactivity disorder.

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u/Sorry_Consequence816 Jan 31 '25

Yes.

I mean, I’m not opposed to gold if anyone wants to give me some. /s

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u/CrumblingValues Feb 01 '25

Well then, throw your hat in the ring

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u/Ill_Sprinkles_9976 Jan 31 '25

Highly encourage you to get a better diagnosis. 

Autism and ADHD are mutually exclusive. It's become sort of a copout diagnosis in recent history to pump drugs and handwave properly treating people. People hear the terms as common and just accept them at face value, but research into the characteristics, even at a surface level, reveals they're incompatible.

Had a friend who I had to give the same advice to. The doctor that gave her initial diagnosis came to be found that because of how she spoke, he didn't think she could be intelligent, so assumed her test scores were autism. She has ADHD and is just smart. 

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u/Sorry_Consequence816 Jan 31 '25

They are not mutually exclusive, I’m afraid you may be going off of some old science. However, not everyone who has one has the other. Also, not all countries follow the DSM.

I’ve lived in 7 different states over the past 9 years since my diagnosis due to my husband’s work. I’ve had to go through confirming my diagnosis with multiple psychiatric professionals because none of them seem to trust each other’s diagnosis or testing.

So with all due respect, I’m going to go with the last near decade of work I’ve done and enjoy the last few years of my 40s and beyond now that I have a better understanding of how my brain works.

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u/Ill_Sprinkles_9976 Jan 31 '25

I mean, you certainly do whatever makes your life easier. Using wrong math to get the right answer doesn't mean you don't have the right answer - whatever gets you through life best.

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u/Ok-Donkey-5671 Jan 31 '25

Must be a DEI hire 

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u/UnquestionabIe Jan 31 '25

He's a Kennedy so that goes without saying. "The Kennedy Curse" isn't entirely that they die young, that seems to only be the neutral/positive ones, it's that those who survive to 50 or so are awful people by any metric. And because of the family name they will be handed some sort of political position, elected or otherwise.

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u/starterchan Jan 31 '25

So you're admitting DEI is a bad thing

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u/ensalys Jan 31 '25

No, they're just taking the piss on the right wing blaming everything on DEI.

Can you take DEI too far? Probably. However, the main idea behind DEI is that you still require fully qualified people, but you try to make sure long term built up institutional biases are minimised.

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u/kazetoame Jan 31 '25

Well, the right wing seems to have the wrong idea of what DEI actually is. By their definition, all of Trump’s admin are DEI hires.

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u/BatushkaTabushka Feb 01 '25

Yeah I mean, was Musk hired by merit? Or was it because he “donated” millions to get his position? So much for everyone being where they are because of what they know… they can’t even follow their own rules.

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u/dresstokilt_ Jan 31 '25

Daddy, Entitlement, Inheritance? Yes, it's bad.

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u/Hot-Championship1190 Jan 31 '25

40 years ago I heard: USA - the land were everyone can become president, astronaut, everything!

Must be a fantastic land! All the opportunities!

Today I know: USA - the land were everyone can become president, astronaut, everything!

Oh my god, why are the proving the point by making the village clown president.

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u/earthblister Jan 31 '25

I am very far from being a Bobby Kennedy, Jr fan, but it’s a bad look for leftists to criticize him for having survived addiction. People keep bringing it up like it’s a reason he shouldn’t have a role in health administration - it echoes the kind of empty ad hominem attacks right wingers often make. He’s not unqualified because he’s a recovered addict; he’s unqualified because he has no experience in healthcare leadership and he proliferates dangerous ideas as alternatives to proven science.

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u/AndrewH73333 Jan 31 '25

He has brain damage from his addiction. He has brain damage from brain worms. He is going to be in charge of us. These are what ad hominem attacks are for. This. What are you trying to apply logical fallacies to? Who are you protecting from what?

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u/BathZealousideal1456 Jan 31 '25

Not speaking about RFK but ex heroin addicts are some of the smartest, funniest and most clever people I've ever met.

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u/a-pilot Jan 31 '25

I’ve never known one, so I’ll take your word for it. I suppose it’s also true that most of them would not describe their decision to use heroin as smart.

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u/BathZealousideal1456 Jan 31 '25

Smart? No. But we don't really regret our use

  • we would never be the people we are without that part of our stories. I kind of feel like I can face anything after that. Not much bothers me or seems like a big deal.

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u/a-pilot Jan 31 '25

Interesting. I’m sure I have lots to learn.

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u/SeaworthinessOld9433 Jan 31 '25

The best Donald trump got

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u/LeWigre Jan 31 '25

No, its obviously not the best youve got. Hasnt been since Obama.

sidenote: I think Biden was a good president that did a lot of good for your country but whenever we'd see footage of the guy we would all sigh with pity and wonder who made that old man go up there when he should be enjoying what's left of his life.

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u/Abeneezer Jan 31 '25

That is what it takes to be a Trump sycophant, so yes.

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u/Spy-Around-Here Jan 31 '25

Trump knows he will do what he says so he gets a job.

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u/umthondoomkhlulu Jan 31 '25

Of course he’s not the best, that’s the point

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u/dresstokilt_ Jan 31 '25

They probably could have come up with someone even more unqualified, but you have to reward the people who pull ridiculous political stunts for you.

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u/a-pilot Jan 31 '25

Yes, how silly of me to forget that qualifications are not important.

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u/dresstokilt_ Jan 31 '25

For this admit (and his last one), being singularly unqualified for the job is the only qualification they care about.

He picks cabinet nominees based solely on how invested they are in destroying the department he wants them to lead.

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u/a-pilot Jan 31 '25

The brain worm wasn’t removed, it died. This is a clear sign that his brain isn’t just a house of thoughts, it’s a danger zone!

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u/RedditIsADataMine Jan 31 '25

  He was a heroin addict for 17 years and had a brain worm! This is the best we’ve got?!?!?

I don't see why either of these things would disqualify him? Let's stick to the anti vax stuff. 

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u/RandomBritishGuy Jan 31 '25

Well, he did argue in court that the brain worm had affected him so severely that he shouldn't have to pay as much alimony, and that his memory was severely affected and that he had brain fog. He also claimed to have mercury poisoning.

Those are reasons why he shouldn't be in charge of federal departments, if he's apparently been so compromised by his health.

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u/Titan_Astraeus Jan 31 '25

He talks about his own cognitive impairments. Sorry, but there should be a field full of qualified candidates to choose from. We shouldn't have to settle for the guy who has riddled his own brain through bad habits and eating random animals he finds dead on the side of the fucking road.

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u/RedditIsADataMine Jan 31 '25

I agree. I was asking why the heroin and brain worms specifically disqualify him.

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u/Titan_Astraeus Jan 31 '25

His brain worms and heroin use contributed to him being unfit..

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u/RedditIsADataMine Jan 31 '25

But why? 

He's been clean from heroin for 42 years. He was a child when he got addicted. 

If a parasite makes you unfit, does that also mean cancer survivors are unfit? Given the documented impacts to brain health from chemotherapy? 

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u/TerribleIdea27 Jan 31 '25

Plenty of reasons

1) blackmail vulnerabilities

2) getting addicted in the first place means poor impulse control

3) potential brain damage

4) heroin is an addiction for life. If he was addicted for 17 years, he's still addicted. He's just clean (we presume)

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25
  1. You can't blackmail someone for something that is widely known.

  2. It's a little more complicated and shouldn't be generalized.

  3. It may or may not. This should be investigated in each case.

  4. I don't even know what you mean by that.

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u/HokusSchmokus Jan 31 '25

I think 4th means that there are generally no former addicts. Once an addict, always an addict.

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25

Is this a scientific conclusion, or just a loose observation by people who are not qualified on the subject?

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u/HokusSchmokus Jan 31 '25

This is both a scientific conclusion and what every other actual addict ever says.

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25

If this is a scientific conclusion, what is the definition of such an addict?

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u/nuliaj56 Jan 31 '25

how is this even a debate? just get someone who is qualified. wow.

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u/HokusSchmokus Jan 31 '25

What is your problem and why can you not use google?

Addiction is a treatable, chronic medical disease involving complex interactions among brain circuits, genetics, the environment, and an individual’s life experiences.

Addicts are people suffering from that condition.

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25

I use google. And nowhere can I find that any scientific conclusions you are talking about. There are some conclusions what can at most suggest some part of what you are talking about, but these are not isolated factors that confirm causality. Most addicts are poor, and contrary to popular opinion, they were poor before addiction too. Cases where middle and upper class people who become poor through drugs are rare. Drugs are very addictive, but not that addictive. Most of the causes of addiction are low living standards or other mental illnesses. That's why many studies when treating addiction say that the most important factor in reducing the chances of relapsing into addiction is their improved standard of living.

RFK is rich. Do I need to say more?

And my questions toward you, in fact, were not questions. They were baits to make you understand that your level of knowledge on the subject is minimal.

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u/TerribleIdea27 Jan 31 '25

You absolutely 100% CAN blackmail someone for something that's widely known. Just tell them you want them to do X, or you'll claim you will post online you saw a needle in their suitcase. It's an incredible liability and even if you're innocent, after you're addicted, people will be much less inclined to trust your innocence

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/481765

Even when only looking at people being clean for a staggering 15 years, a quarter will still relapse. 15 years is an extremely long time.

Also from the article, an important part in the conclusion:

These results suggest that drug abuse treatment programs should focus more on incremental improvements in the lives of heroin addicts, a more realistic goal than lifelong abstinence.

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25

You absolutely 100% CAN blackmail someone for something that's widely known. Just tell them you want them to do X, or you'll claim you will post online you saw a needle in their suitcase.

It only works if the RFK continues to use drugs. Because a simple test can show that the person there is lying.

focus more on incremental improvements in the lives of heroin addicts

Yes, because most addicts are poor, usually extremely poor. RFK is not.

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u/Crowing87 Jan 31 '25

You could 100% blackmail him. By, I don't know, catching him doing the widely known bad thing he says he doesn't do anymore and threatening to tell everyone.

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u/starterchan Jan 31 '25

👏 We need to start calling out drug addicts more. There should be a registry so that we can avoid hiring them, I know once someone admits to having done drugs I would NEVER hire them. Addicts are disgusting, as you correctly point out.

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u/TerribleIdea27 Jan 31 '25

I mean to a certain extent I think we should treat it with understanding and compassion. However, there should be consequences to being addicted, like not being able to care for children or hold office.

But we shouldn't make punishments too hard, or you'll just end up creating extra barriers on top of stigma and law enforcement to addicts coming clean and seeking help

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u/BullShitting-24-7 Jan 31 '25

You want the best and the brightest at the top. The most qualified. If he wasn’t a nepo baby privileged Kennedy, he would never be near any high level government position.

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u/RedditIsADataMine Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

I agree. Was asking about the brain ones and heroin specifically.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

A worm was munching on his brain for god knows how long, the same brain that's now gonna decide on life or death policies. The anti vax stuff is probably the worm talking 🪱🪱🪱

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u/disposableaccount848 Jan 31 '25

You want a heroin addict in charge of the Department of Health?

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u/RedditIsADataMine Jan 31 '25

Not if he was still doing heroin most definitely not. 

I think people can change though.