r/MurderedByWords Jan 31 '25

#1 Murder of Week Your response is concerning, Bobby!

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u/a-pilot Jan 31 '25

He was a heroin addict for 17 years and had a brain worm! This is the best we’ve got?!?!?

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u/RedditIsADataMine Jan 31 '25

  He was a heroin addict for 17 years and had a brain worm! This is the best we’ve got?!?!?

I don't see why either of these things would disqualify him? Let's stick to the anti vax stuff. 

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u/TerribleIdea27 Jan 31 '25

Plenty of reasons

1) blackmail vulnerabilities

2) getting addicted in the first place means poor impulse control

3) potential brain damage

4) heroin is an addiction for life. If he was addicted for 17 years, he's still addicted. He's just clean (we presume)

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25
  1. You can't blackmail someone for something that is widely known.

  2. It's a little more complicated and shouldn't be generalized.

  3. It may or may not. This should be investigated in each case.

  4. I don't even know what you mean by that.

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u/HokusSchmokus Jan 31 '25

I think 4th means that there are generally no former addicts. Once an addict, always an addict.

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25

Is this a scientific conclusion, or just a loose observation by people who are not qualified on the subject?

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u/HokusSchmokus Jan 31 '25

This is both a scientific conclusion and what every other actual addict ever says.

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25

If this is a scientific conclusion, what is the definition of such an addict?

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u/nuliaj56 Jan 31 '25

how is this even a debate? just get someone who is qualified. wow.

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u/HokusSchmokus Jan 31 '25

What is your problem and why can you not use google?

Addiction is a treatable, chronic medical disease involving complex interactions among brain circuits, genetics, the environment, and an individual’s life experiences.

Addicts are people suffering from that condition.

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25

I use google. And nowhere can I find that any scientific conclusions you are talking about. There are some conclusions what can at most suggest some part of what you are talking about, but these are not isolated factors that confirm causality. Most addicts are poor, and contrary to popular opinion, they were poor before addiction too. Cases where middle and upper class people who become poor through drugs are rare. Drugs are very addictive, but not that addictive. Most of the causes of addiction are low living standards or other mental illnesses. That's why many studies when treating addiction say that the most important factor in reducing the chances of relapsing into addiction is their improved standard of living.

RFK is rich. Do I need to say more?

And my questions toward you, in fact, were not questions. They were baits to make you understand that your level of knowledge on the subject is minimal.

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u/HokusSchmokus Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

You are such a clown my guy, I know more about addiction than many people. Addicting is not curable. Every definition of Addiction describes it as treatable, not curable. This means once you are actually addicted, you are addicted for good. This is why you can relapse back into it. And just because you can relapse does not mean you will. Which was never up for discussion.

"Hah I was merely pretending to be stupid" meme - that's you. You think you so smart and are the stupidest one in this thread, comical.

You interpret things into my posts that I have not talked about, and were not mentioned in the original comment. We were not talking about the cause of addiction. Why are you tallking to yourself about an etirely different topic?

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25

Hah I was merely pretending to be stupid

Asking questions is not stupidity. I wrote about the causes of addiction, because the causes of addiction and the return of addiction are very close to each other. I thought it was obvious, but I will try to be more specific next time about what I mean. And no scientific definition of addiction says that it is impossible to stop being addicted. Now you are just making stuff up.

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u/HokusSchmokus Jan 31 '25

So first they were (quite obviously) bait, and now they were legitimate questions? You need to step up your trolling game. So incorrect but so confident is wild. Look up what curable means and what treatable means. Have a great day.

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u/TerribleIdea27 Jan 31 '25

You absolutely 100% CAN blackmail someone for something that's widely known. Just tell them you want them to do X, or you'll claim you will post online you saw a needle in their suitcase. It's an incredible liability and even if you're innocent, after you're addicted, people will be much less inclined to trust your innocence

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/481765

Even when only looking at people being clean for a staggering 15 years, a quarter will still relapse. 15 years is an extremely long time.

Also from the article, an important part in the conclusion:

These results suggest that drug abuse treatment programs should focus more on incremental improvements in the lives of heroin addicts, a more realistic goal than lifelong abstinence.

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u/TeBerry Jan 31 '25

You absolutely 100% CAN blackmail someone for something that's widely known. Just tell them you want them to do X, or you'll claim you will post online you saw a needle in their suitcase.

It only works if the RFK continues to use drugs. Because a simple test can show that the person there is lying.

focus more on incremental improvements in the lives of heroin addicts

Yes, because most addicts are poor, usually extremely poor. RFK is not.

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u/Crowing87 Jan 31 '25

You could 100% blackmail him. By, I don't know, catching him doing the widely known bad thing he says he doesn't do anymore and threatening to tell everyone.