The Commerce secretary was on CNBC yesterday am talking about how the tariffs will bring back manufacturing jobs to US. Then a few seconds later was talking about having Apple (and other companies) make their products in the US using robotics. So very few actual American humans getting jobs.
He's also fond of saying we're going to make trillions from the tariff payments, but we'll all be buying American products. The math does not check out.
The government will take trillions from the American populous, then when all manufacturing comes back to the US, tariff revenue will drop to zero. But Americans will still pay the higher prices to the corporations.
It actually does sound genius if you don’t value humanity or nations. If you’re trying to build something different this does sound like some interesting staging of some new society. I think it’s insane but it sure does look intentional in all regards.
No one in their right mind is gnna build a factory based on anything Don says or does. The guy will change his mind by tmrw, then again by Monday. There will be no tariffs by Tuesday. This country is a joke.
Even in a slightly different universe where Donny is rock solid and committed to tariffs, by the time you build a factory Dems might have taken Congress and/or the presidency. Not even true believers would build a factory in this environment.
Bill gates was in the news only a few days ago saying confidently that in 10 years humans will need to work only 2 days per week. People cheered this believing this means it will be utopia and everyone will be fat and happy. He was really talking about what you are. Massive change is coming. Get ready for massive human misery and total poverty for the vast majority of us. MAGA is only ensuring it happens for sure and faster. These people hate you. You don’t even exist to them. If you don’t want this future you need to act now.
I remember a guy at work fantasizing about having himself cloned so he could send the clone in to do all the work for him. I told him that scenario would end up with both him and the clone sitting at home and arguing about who was going to have to work and both of them getting fucked. It is the same holy shit type of stupidity. They can't even conceive of things turning out badly.
So he wants a slave lol? His clone would still be sentient and would be no different from enslaving anybody else. Meanwhile his clone still needs food to eat and a place to sleep so he's just become a two-person household with 1 income.
What he's saying is he wants to have an income but not have to work for it. He wants UBI
I'd love a clone. We would easily be able to split my job in two, with minimal increase in food expenses, and we could play video games together and keep each other company. That sounds amazing. I would share the work though, I couldn't make someone work for me.
i don't think "wow these guys really are trying to tear it all down and build dystopian corporate feudalism" is much of a conspiracy theory. It's pretty much the open aim of the tech-bro faction of the extremists, competing with "patriarchal theocratic dystopia" and "white supremacist fascist dystopia" from other subgroups.
Brother it only sounds genius to genuinely dimwitted people lol.
You just gonna cosplay robocop next to the 350 million starved corpses? Don't be an idiot, it's not a movie lmao. As soon as the shelves are empty and the country is failing they will all be dragged through the streets and hanged by the panicking mob. I just hope that it's televised
These guys believe they will survive and do better. Thrive and have power. It doesn’t matter if they succeed or fail, they are going to try to do it and the outcomes will be disastrous but it doesn’t matter because they are keen to believe they will succeed in some way no matter what.
Are they dim? I dunno but they are orchestrating a complex and robust amount of change across the USA and the world with all they are doing, and they told us they want a technocracy, that Yarvin was their man.
I’m not worried that they are dumb or smart. I’m worried they are Fanatical.
What kind of idiocy is this? It's the ideology of nation states and arbitrary lines on a map that's at the very heart of this crap.
A child born in Lithuania today can grow up to be an American and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Nations are exploitative bullshit. They have zero value except to those at the top. QED
A nation or state is an can be much different than just the pessimistic views but I do agree with you to some degree.
Nations are how we have organized our societies and taxes to support our laws and civilization. It’s complicated and probably could be done butter but I wouldn’t leave it to the leadership shaping this world now to do a reasonable job finding and moving to a better model.
yeah Jingoism is one of the most baffling and frustrating reminders of tribal egoism overruling common sense in the modern world.
Post ww2 and now especially post digital age, there is simply no goddamn reason whatsoever for resource wars and direct national control of certain land areas. In an age of ubiquitous real time global communication and modern distribution speeds, The entire justification for "protection" of one's "own population" via military aggression is basically "he was gonna do it first!" ... now, look... fine that's probably SOMETIMES true because our base instincts are pretty greedy and selfish. But it's pretty blatant that virtually all remaining conflict (including the growing belligerence of the U.S.) is actually driven entirely by ideology and individual ego.
I dunno if they'll all use robots. I can envision an endgame where they impose "worker discipline" to create an abused underclass that makes all the stuff inside America.
And I'm not even using my imagination to envision that. I'm just looking at America's history.
Higher tech factories like cars and phones will use robots, but for regular things? They'll use people!
People will be so desperate for work and survival, they'll work anywhere for any price at that point. Minimum wage will be reduced or removed "for the people" and you'll get to work in a factory stamping a box for 10 hours a day, for 2 whole dollars!
Actually, well manufacture so much, other countries will move their factories to over here for the cheap price of la.. I mean Hugh quality American goods!
Another factor no one seems to mention: externalities -- in particular, pollution and burdens on our infrastructure. Assembly operations can be relatively clean, but manufacturing, drilling, mining, and minerals processing generate pollution and can use a lot of electricity, and our grid is already struggling to provide the power needed by AI modelling, crypto-mining, and charging e-vehicles. No politician seems to be even acknowledging that past generations' worth of industrial and chemical sites created thousands of sites that remain heavily and dangerously polluted to this day, let alone insisting that we manage it better this time.
It's no coincidence that New Jersey, home of so much of the heavy industrial (and chemical, petrochemical, and electronic) job-creating activity in the US since the 19th-C., still has -- googles -- "115 Superfund sites listed on the National Priorities List (NPL)" "as of 16 August 2024", and that's after 36 additional sites have been cleaned up and deleted from the list.
IMHO, de-offshorization and re-industrialization must also revolutionize our traditional model of: 1) letting corporations and their executives, boards of directors, and principle shareholders do whatever they want; 2) evade fiscal responsibility and criminal culpability for their pollution via shell corps. and strategic sales and bankruptcies; 3) rinse-and-repeat. Ideally, we'd price-in and anticipate likely pollution risks and force corps. to fund escrow accounts (along with continual monitoring of factory operations, to prevent anticipated future costs' outstripping a corp.'s escrow funds, which might have to be increased every year or so) for cleaning up their pollution regardless of their legal status and financial solvency for a very long stipulated duration (say, 101 years).
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u/SchnaapsIdee 1d ago
The Commerce secretary was on CNBC yesterday am talking about how the tariffs will bring back manufacturing jobs to US. Then a few seconds later was talking about having Apple (and other companies) make their products in the US using robotics. So very few actual American humans getting jobs.