r/MurderedByWords Oct 26 '19

Murder Same game, different level

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u/A-Hungry-Hungarian Oct 26 '19

Conservatives don’t equal nazis, the same way as socialists don’t equal radical communism. Posts like this make me honeslty a bit sad.

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u/anorexicpig Oct 26 '19

I’ve never talked to a conservative in my life that wasn’t at least lowkey racist. They arenot saying the hard R, they might not even be aware of their racism, or just think “that isn’t racist”. But ALL of them are at least say things like “this must be a bad neighborhood” when they see a minority and tell racist “jokes” when no ones around.

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u/Expectedlime Oct 26 '19

Holy shit then you’ve never spoken to a conservative. Grow the fuck up and talk to actual fucking people in real life and stop lying to yourself. Conservatives are not inherently racist

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u/anorexicpig Oct 26 '19

Haha sure. My whole family is conservative

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u/Kittens-of-Terror Oct 27 '19

So is mine. I'm left libertarian. Only one member of my family is properly racist and has completely ostracized herself from everyone to the level of no contact. I've learn racist and sexist liberals as well. They just have a more roundabout way of it.

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u/anorexicpig Oct 27 '19

Yeah of course they do. I'd say like 80% of all people are racist, almost 60% of liberals and basically 100% of conservatives. It really just depends on your definition of it. People are really quick to get offended when they get called racist, but if you have implicit biases, you're at least slightly racist. SLIGHTLY. Most people are

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u/Kittens-of-Terror Oct 27 '19

I mean, to not be wouldn't be human. There are natural biases and some prejudice for or against any group of people. Acting on it when it's a status that people in the group were born with or can't change is the problem.

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u/anorexicpig Oct 27 '19

I feel like that isn’t natural though it’s learned... and the fact you feel it’s natural explains everything

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u/Kittens-of-Terror Oct 27 '19 edited Oct 27 '19

I think you misunderstood my statement. When I say groups, I don't explicitly mean ethnicities. Groups could be liberals and conservatives, for example. We have certain biases and expectations of business people, artists and long distance runners. We all have biases and expectations of each of those groups and have a tendency (that is bad) to extrapolate those sentiments and expectations to the individuals of those groups when we we know which group they are a part of. This happens with ethnicity too whether the bias is big or minuscule. Those biases aren't good, and acting on them is when it's actually a bad problem and is racist at least by that point.

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u/gr4nf Oct 26 '19

If my whole family has blonde hair, and also love Head & Shoulders shampoo, would it be reasonable to conclude that blonde people in general like that kind of shampoo? Or is it more likely that it just runs in the family?

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u/anorexicpig Oct 26 '19

your analogy is dumb, all my comment meant was "yes I've spoke to a conservative"

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u/gr4nf Oct 26 '19

Ah, I see. You interpreted "you've never spoken to a conservative" literally. Great tactic if the only person you're trying to convince is yourself.

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u/anorexicpig Oct 26 '19

well what the fuck else is it supposed to mean? because "literally" i've interacted with hundreds on a deep level and they have all put me off with slight racism at one point or another

seen much worse from the thousands i've interacted with generally but i suppose some might not be racist. they sure are rare

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u/gr4nf Oct 27 '19

If that's the case, I'm not sure you're defining racism in a useful way. If you want to prevent something serious and bad, you should draw a meaningful box around what it is so you can talk about it and argue against it. If your definition of racism covers any belief that results in any action that targets any race disproportionately more than others, then okay, maybe the overwhelming majority of conservatives are racist for wanting non-permissive immigration policies. Lots of democrats would be racist by that definition as well.

But when we define racism like that, we lose the ability to denounce racists in a way that can expect support from the general public. Instead of uniting against, say, the KKK, you're stuck lumping half the country's population in with them.

A good place to start is acknowledging that most people have at least as strong a desire to do right by others as you do. Work from that assumption to explain people's behavior, instead of noticing the effects of a policy or opinion on a race of people and jumping to the conclusion that the intent was racist.

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u/anorexicpig Oct 27 '19

stupid played out argument. worse racists are worse, bad racists are still bad. try harder

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u/gr4nf Oct 27 '19

Whatever. I tried. I'm not going to try harder when you're not going to try at all.

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u/anorexicpig Oct 27 '19

Thanks for taking the hint

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u/HGMiNi Oct 27 '19

Conservatism as an ideology is though. The reasoning behind many of their policies is to perpetuate social and economic inequality.

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u/Expectedlime Oct 27 '19

No, it’s not. As an ideology it exists to lessen the control of the government. Admittedly it does a shit job but that is what conservatives on paper believe in

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u/HGMiNi Oct 27 '19

Ah yes, the Conservatives who believe in small government while endorsing the Patriot act and always defending the cop when he kills the black guy.

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u/CMDR_Kai Oct 28 '19

I see it more as innocent until proven guilty, which is why I like body cams on cops.

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u/HGMiNi Oct 28 '19

The guys that beat Rodney King and Eric Garner were video taped. It was very clearly excessive use of force. It's not innocent until proven guilty, it's pure racism, and that is where the majority of conservative ideology stems from.

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u/WormLivesMatter Oct 27 '19

Yea they are. They support and introduce laws and regulations that are worse for non white people.

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u/Satanscommando Oct 27 '19

You don’t get to pick and choose, you supports racists and you use racist rhetoric but you’re not racist? That’s not how it works bud.

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u/Expectedlime Oct 27 '19

Conservative doesn’t equal racist. Sure maybe the majority of white supremacists are conservative but that doesn’t mean jack shit. You’re effectively discrediting an entire political standpoint just because you once heard someone with that standpoint say something that hurt your feelings