I know that like any human, Arnie has his flaws, but he is a bro. His public addresses are what leaders from all countries should be both saying and practicing.
Sad that so few do. And I'm not just talking about the US.
I would love to see Obama take up the virtual presidency and make speeches like this. Just pretend there is no Trump. Engage the people as if he's still the CIF.
Hehe, that'd be a baller move. While I no doubt know less of Obama than a US citizen, it doesn't seem like an "Obama" move though. It would be interesting so see what would happen though. Where's that alternate universe viewing window from Fringe when you need it?
It's not a very Obama move. No matter what most people think about his policies we could usually agree that he was a pretty articulate and jovial person. But really respectful when it came to talking shit or over stepping bounds.
However. If he did do it I wouldn't be surprised at all. He's been know to make some really funny jokes, his white house correspondence speeches are top notch and definitely worth a watch. Especially the one with his anger translator there.
Trump and many Republicans still hate him, and are still spouting conspiracy theories about him. It’d probably do more harm than good for him to speak up.
The unfortunate reality is they still get to vote and they have platforms to influence people. So you can’t ignore them, but engaging them gets you caught up in the mud with them. It’s a shitty situation to be in, I do agree with you in that I wish that is what we could do.
That would be something that would galvanize a lot of support behind Trump, unfortunately. He's losing a lot of his followers right now, that would have a lot of them rallying back.
It could also potentially do a lot to delegitimize the position if anyone could just come in and usurp its authority. While I would absolutely love to see someone, anyone else behind the wheel besides Trump, you have to think about these kinds of things going forward too
Edit: reread the post and if it’s just Obama making speeches that’s probably fine. Heck, he has been making some pretty heartfelt and mature statements on Twitter whenever these tragedies happen since he left office
That’s what I meant by we have to think ahead too. Eventually we won’t have Trump in office. If a more reasonable person is president we don’t want some Trump 2.0 to try to undermine that president by refusing to acknowledge their authority
I want to see a joint address between all the surviving ex-Presidents and other important leaders from the country, and end it with Biden getting the last word in.
It would never happen, but a man can dream. Because the meltdown from the White House would be utterly spectacular.
This is what actually needs to happen. If just Obama did it, it would only be (yet another) rallying cry for the right that “Obama is trying to be president again” and that he wants to be a king. If he did it with Bush and Clinton and maybe even Carter, it’s more likely to not fall on deaf ears and simply become a Fox News attack-segment.
Funny that we mention this, and he just now released a blog post about the protests.
If you’re a hardcore leftist you might be disappointed with it, but it came across as classic Obama to me: “they go low, we go high”, let’s remember to have nuance and not be too extreme, etc.
Yes. Most definitely, and that’s what I tried to say in my comment. There’s a trend of leftists that in retrospect think Obama was a terrible president for a multitude of reasons; one being that he is/was too centrist. And while I do agree that drone strikes are awful, and that kids in cages at the border started under him, I don’t think he was a terrible president.
P.S. all you screenshotters out there pls don’t put me on /r/enlightenedcentrism I’m not a centrist I’m just trying not to paint things in only one color
imo, the people that claim to have it figured out (or "enlightened" in this case), haven't been terribly thorough in their investigations. Even if I agree with someone's stance, it's the absolutism behind the stance that I can't agree with. Absolutism (of any flavour) will eventually breed a dichotomy of "us VS them" and slowly close off the discussion entirely, creating an echo-chamber. While the core thought may be great, the inflexibility of the people around the idea can be difficult to manage.
Life is painted in an incredibly complex pallet of greys, and a canvas of a single colour is rather dull indeed.
True. He as quietly worked behind the scenes to rally people during this COVID19 crisis to support each other and do the right thing by the frontline workers. He also cut some commencement speeches for grads this year that has blown up on Social Media. He was never the radical socialist that the Cons made him out to be and in terms of being a centrist, he's on par with Eisenhower.
That sounds like a good idea until a democrat is in office and Donald Trump starts his turn as shadow president. It seems like a good short term solution, but I think in the long run it would undermine the rule of law.
A virtual presidency is actually a great idea. The American people should just ignore Trump. Find a descent person like Obama or anyone the people think is a good leader, and recognize them as the president online. I think it would do a world of good. The idea just needs the support of someone willing to take on the role, and is also accepted by the people. Personally I would like to see President Jimmy Carter become the 1st Virtual President of the USA.
I love this idea of a Virtual Presidency. He could just hold press conferences and virtual press briefings. the press would play along and pretend he's president and take his advice and listen to his speeches and Trump would get furious. Shit, Trump went on a rant today because Fauci is getting more airtime than he is.
Well to me it is kind of funny because many Blacks have said that Trump has done far more for them than Obama. Obama was a corrupt crook that is very evident with his record of ignoring and breaking our Constitution.
Breaking our Constitution huh? Based on the way you haven’t responded to the other guys, let me remind you this: it was Trump who got impeached. Even if Obama did something that “broke the Constitution”, Trump also did it, so he isn’t above Obama like you’d want to believe.
I can't comment on his governance, I am totally ignorant in that regard, but his use of his platform as a celebrity is on point. I'd vote for him, given the chance.
Being an Aussie, I can only vote for the least shitty of our own politicians. We don't seem have an Arnie equivalent. Instead, our politicians are largly similar flavors of crap, rather than the wildly varying flavours the rest of the world seems to get.
You do have a choice and a voice in Australia. Liberal and Labor parties are vastly different with regards to the economy, environment, public services, and workers rights, to name only a few areas. Don't let the Murdoch media or your ill-informed mates make you believe otherwise.
Preferential voting also empowers Australians to vote for any party they align with, no matter how small, without "throwing their vote away" as so many say - if only so many knew how empowered they truly were. Oh how different the world would be if Americans had the same privilege.
Oh, I know. I'm referring more to the character of our pollies than the policies of the party they play for, and I think we need to switch back and forth between Labour and Liberal every so often, too, lest we drift too far in one direction.
That said, while the parties policies as advertised are generally opposite ends of the spectrum, at the end of the day not a lot changes for the average Joe regardless of who wears the PM hat.
That doesn't mean voting is not worth it, and I'll still take living in Australia over living pretty much anywhere else. Except maybe New Zealand. Their PM seems down right human.
Being an Aussie, I can only vote for the least shitty of our own politicians. We don't seem have an Arnie equivalent. Instead, our politicians are largly similar flavors of crap,
American here: we only have 2 flavors of crap here, but one (the GOP) is clearly worse than the other, at least at the current moment.. I wish we had more choices AND I wish people actually cared enough to participate.
Well see that just isn’t true. You could simply vote for people outside of those 2 parties if you think their both wrong. But since they convinced you that that would be equivalent to throwing away your vote, nothing will change.
I'd only been in California a short time so I wasn't paying that much attention, but one thing I do remember:
While he was running there was a lot of "the state gov't is a mess, and it's bullshit, and as a new guy I'm going to clean it up!" He was going to fix the things all those career politicians just sat around not repairing lickety-split, balance the budget like that, etc, etc. Pretty standard campaign stuff, tbh.
So he gets elected, and maybe a year into it he does a press conference or speech or something in which he basically says, "remember how I was like 'I'ma fix this up in no time, it'll be easy'? Yeah, I didn't know wtf I was talking about. It's not easy. This is all really complicated and hard, and I underestimated that."
And that's the only time I can recall a politician ever doing that. He got points from me.
As a body builder turned movie star, it's very understandable how he could end up a pro free market conservative. When you look into the man's life you can see he did work extremely hard and he got more out of it than most people. To believe that all his gains were his effort alone is natural and to ask different is a tall task.
But he has empathy.
He is one of very few conservatives I can actually believe thinks his model of conservatism can help everyone.
He thinks he can get people to pick themselves up and that that's the only way to help them.
Rather than feeding us those lines so he has an excuse to enrich himself.
That being said it's easier to be this person after your out of the game.
I think he was one of the first rallying behind renewable and clean energy, and I am pretty sure his politics weren't always a success or on time, or hurt people. If I recall correctly he left the state heavily indebted but I am not really sure.
Yeah it does seem like trump did bring the worst out of the US. Becoming obnoxious and rude became trendy. I saw someone with a roll coal truck or whatever a few weeks back in MA doing the smoke show while I was behind them, since I'm guessing they thought my chevy cruze was a prius or something.
I remember watching one of his speeches, maybe his first, at a Republican National Convention many years ago. I'm not a Republican, and back then wasn't voting or very political aware, so not a Democrat either.
I remember being blown away by his speech. the way he talked about his life, what America offered, and how proud he is to call himself an American was really moving, and i say that as a cynic.
Don't get me wrong I'm sure his speech had a ton of time under pen of professional writer(s), and he had great coaching and lots of practice, but it's a message he'd been saying for a long time and he always has a lot of passion when he speaks to the greatness of this country.
I have always been a huge Arnold fan because of his movies and his biceps and his hilarious one-liners but the fact that he is still active and participating after his 3rd remarkably successful career and still speaking passionately and trying to inspire us is really fantastic.
Yeah but this is bullshit. All humans are not of equal value. For example people who harm others without provocation are lesser human beings.
When it comes to other animals, we euthanize them if they repeatedly harm people for no reason. I think we'd be in a better place right now if we held cops to the same standard as dogs.
All humans are most certainly born equal, and all humans should be given a bare minimum of equal rights. We put down dogs because they are dogs. We put humans on trial, and in better countries than the US, those humans are put into rehabilitation programs with an emphasis on stopping recidivism.
Does the murderer who is now a normal and functioning member of society deserve to be forever known as nothing more than a murderer? Can we never trust a thief to work as a security officer, no matter how long ago he committed his crime? Acting as if single acts define you forever and that no human can change is simply intolerant and harmful.
This does not mean that by their actions some people have not forfeited some of the rights and entitlements that everybody starts with in civilised countries.
So you think I have the right to stay alive if I come in to your house rape your wife, kill one of your children, and steal your food...and no matter how many times I am or am not punished, continue this behavior?
You don't think at some point I should just be put down?
There's a reason why gangs, cartels, mafia, etc. make an example out of bad actors...it works. If we started handing out death sentences for them, the problem would quickly dissipate.
Would I try to kill you if you did that, and I had the chance?
Very probably.
But we aren't talking about that. We are talking about whether he has
forfeited [his] right to be a member of society either through ... forfeiture of life
...which is a different question.
You are wildly and ridiculously mistaken if you think that death sentences deter crime. If that were the case, then US states which have the death penalty have lower murder rates. Guess what?
Normal people don't have the urge to attack people for no reason. Even racist people don't go attacking people for no reason. Shit I dated a black woman that was racist against middle easterners...she wasn't violent just talked shit.
1) If you're a cop and you use excessive force 2 or 3 times - you get a lethal injection.
2) If you are a boss and don't fire an officer after excessive force - you get fired.
3) Also, we need a federal oversight committee for investigations into cops.
Problem solved.
1 - will keep giant pieces of human garbage out of a position of power or out of the gene pool
2 - makes sure people in charge sift through their employees and weed out the bad apples.
3 - makes sure 1 and 2 actually have consequences by putting the investigation into a non-biased party.
I'm sorry, but if you shoot a pepperball at me while I'm chilling on my own porch, you are worth less than me...because I would never do that.
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u/GrimzagDaWikkid Jun 01 '20 edited Jun 01 '20
I know that like any human, Arnie has his flaws, but he is a bro. His public addresses are what leaders from all countries should be both saying and practicing.
Sad that so few do. And I'm not just talking about the US.
Edit: typo.