r/Oscars Jan 23 '25

Discussion Remember blatantly mocking Ariana Grande?

To be uncertain of one’s abilities (given her acting past) is fine, but to make fun of her like this before the movie came out was wildly unfair.

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u/Brianebee Jan 23 '25

You really said "RECEIPTS! PROOF! TIMELINE! SCREEN SHOTS!"

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u/mirandaonthee Jan 23 '25

Didn’t think I’d see these words in this sub lol

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u/Brianebee Jan 23 '25

My love of prestige cinema is just as equal to my love of garbage reality tv 😆 I contain a dichotomy!

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u/Forgetful_Koala Jan 24 '25

In my head canon- Brianebee is secretly Heather bc nobody loves repeating that line more than her.

But seriously- thank you for the crossover we all needed on this sub!

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u/SpiffyShindigs Jan 24 '25

...who do you think is the primary demographic of this sub?

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u/aR0sebyany0thername Jan 23 '25

I had to double check which sub I was on there! LOL!!

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u/sharipep Jan 24 '25

When my worlds of housewives and movie buffs collide

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u/Accomplished-Emu2308 Jan 24 '25

I. Love. It. OP woke up and chose violence, they shot with real bullets.

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u/OutsideIndoorTrack Jan 23 '25

To be fair, I LOVE Wicked and I was worried about the movie. The trailers weren't cut together well and there's no doubt Grande and Erivo are oddballs.

It all meshed together really well in the movie in an excellent way

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u/lthomazini Jan 24 '25

I’d never seen Wicked (the musical) and knew very little / was not emotionally attached before watching it. I didn’t even notice how long the movie was, it just felt very natural and entertaining. Really fun.

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u/TheIrishninjas Jan 24 '25

If anything it deserves the BP nod for simultaneously being as long as the full stage show and never having me look at my watch.

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u/chaimsoutine69 Jan 24 '25

I thought it was fantastic!!

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u/Bridalhat Jan 23 '25

Exactly! The worst part of the movie was the direction and color grading, and that’s about what we got in the trailers. And then there was all the SpongeBob stuff-the movie came together despite all that.

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u/usagicassidy Jan 23 '25

Which is why Wicked got nominated for nearly everything except for Director and Cinematography, exactly as it should’ve been.

Now all the Wicked stans online are talking about how John was “robbed” but he was never going to get nominated for Director.

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u/Sleepy-Detective Jan 23 '25

Yeah, wtf was with the color grading? They have a world with so much color and visually interesting stuff. But when I was watching it, it looked like my tv had jaundice. It was so desaturated but with a weird yellowy overlay and no contrast.

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u/Bridalhat Jan 23 '25

Infuriating, that’s what! If you watch some BTS featurettes the sets and costumes were amazing but the final projected ended up looking like PS3 cutscenes. It’s an insult to everyone who worked on it.

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u/monalisafrank Jan 24 '25

Do you guys think they’ll be able to fix that for Part 2? And if they’re able, that they will?

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u/Bridalhat Jan 24 '25

It’s definitely fixable—most the problems with it were in post (color grading). Whether or not they respond to the criticism is up to them.

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u/Consistent-Gap-3545 Jan 24 '25

Yeah I was honestly pretty anti-Wicked because of how fucking annoying the press tour was… I loved it; I’ve watched it like three times already. I will riot if the woman from Emilia Perez gets best actress over Cynthia. 

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u/PerfectPlace_4Shade Jan 23 '25 edited Jan 24 '25

I like how one of them is like’ I KNOW she’s a bad actress, cuz I’ve seen victorious’. Yea, everyone sucks at acting on that show because it’s horribly, horribly written

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u/furiousdolphins Jan 24 '25

Also Ariana was actually great at Cat Valentine. It was a limiting role but she still showed great comedic and vocal ability

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u/Few-Plastic-2940 Jan 24 '25

Yeah fr i remember being a kid watching that show and as soon as i saw Cat onscreen, I knew Grande was gonna be big time after that show ended.

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u/GoblinTenorGirl Jan 24 '25

Yeah a lot of hate child stars get can entirely be boiled down to "sometimes acting in comedies is harder than dramas"

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u/BigOzymandias Jan 24 '25

Victorious proves that she is a great comedic actress lol, she really turned chickenshit into chicken salad with that role

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u/MichaelChavis Jan 24 '25

She was honestly amazing as Cat I don’t get how anyone couldn’t notice that she’s a good comedic actor.

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u/LittleLotte29 Jan 24 '25

Also, wasn't she like 15 on that show? I haven't watched it but it isn't difficult to imagine that someone with pretty much unlimited access to resources could've significantly improved their acting skills within 15 years.

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u/DrogoOmega Jan 25 '25

Also it’s a Nickelodeon kids show

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u/FlimsyConclusion Jan 24 '25

Some of the same people shitting on Gosling being too old for Ken.

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u/xox1234 Jan 24 '25

Or Heath Ledger for being the "10 Things I Hate About You" guy

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u/Raichu10126 Jan 23 '25

I remember someone saying she is campaigning for Best supporting actress at the Kid's Choice Awards and I thought it was so funny lol.

I will admit, I side-eyed it but, was open to her give her chance and she proved us all wrong.

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u/SimonWetterlund Jan 24 '25

People are so jealous of other people being seriously talented

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u/WendyTerri Jan 27 '25

No one is jealous lmao. I was pleasantly surprised by her performance in Wicked and I don't dislike her in general, but people can dislike celebs without being jealous of them.

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u/Beginning_Bake_6924 Jan 23 '25

people hate her because she’s problematic, yet no one has this energy for adrien brody who’s a polanski supporter and sexually assaulted someone on stage

a lot of the criticism ariana gets is valid but a lot of it is also rooted in misogyny 

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u/Many_Jellyfish_9758 Jan 23 '25

Wait what!? What happened with Brody?

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u/Keep_on_Cubing Jan 23 '25

When he won his Oscar, he went up to the stage and kissed the announcer (Halle Berry)

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u/WalterCronkite4 Jan 23 '25

The guy made that sound way worse

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u/ATLUTD030517 Jan 24 '25

I mean, he kissed her without her consent and it clearly wasn't okay with her...

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u/YorkshireAlex24 Jan 24 '25

How would you describe kissing someone without consent in a public platform in which it’s very difficult to call out?

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u/WalterCronkite4 Jan 24 '25

He kissed her without consent? That's all you need to say

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u/YorkshireAlex24 Jan 24 '25

I mean its sexual assault, by definition. I mean it’s slightly misleading in the sense that when people hear ‘sexual assault’ they hear ‘rape’ but it doesn’t mean it’s not accurate. Have you seen the kiss? I think it’s an important context to say it was difficult to do anything about.

https://youtu.be/eZewHC-iT5E?si=y6udIDXkAHSoGh-p

Here she makes it plain she wasn’t consenting, and she’s obviously uncomfortable with the hosts reaction here.

https://youtu.be/B4kzceTpmAY?si=QWRZDljCYonMo65Z

The kiss itself, which I think again makes it clear why it’s important to point out how difficult it is in that environment to deal with a non-consensual kiss like that.

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u/ILoveRegenHealth Jan 24 '25

Someone downvoted you when it's clear it's sexual assault. They must be some mouthbreather

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u/CrittyJJones Jan 24 '25

Was it a cheek kiss? That happens a lot at award ceremonies.

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u/ObviousIndependent76 Jan 24 '25

It definitely was not on the cheek.

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u/PeopleEatingPeople Jan 24 '25

People legit only care about these things when it suits them. It also always hits women harder than men.

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u/Beginning_Bake_6924 Jan 24 '25

Yep! I’m not saying people need to defend Ariana but there are nominees this year that are arguably more problematic but no one seems to want to discuss that.

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u/PeopleEatingPeople Jan 26 '25

Not really, just compare what the usual favorite women the internet now hates has done compared to many male celebs, it is usually she is annoying versus actual crimes.

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u/usagicassidy Jan 23 '25

And she’s REALLY not as problematic as the general public and media paint her to be.

If you spend any real time listening to her, she’s incredibly intelligent, well spoken, kind, and creative. So much of her “reputation” is perception or from when she was a literal child.

She’s been through A LOT (death of Mac Miller, difficult relationships, literally nearly getting blown up and having to deal with a personal loss of her fans) and really doesn’t deserve a lot of the vitriol sent her way.

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u/Beginning_Bake_6924 Jan 23 '25

Film bros hate Ariana for being a home wrecker yet love Ana De Armas who is dating the stepson of the dictator of Cuba and Eva Green even though she’s a known Depp and Polanski apologist. I don’t actually think they care all that much about Ariana being a “homewrecker” I think that they’re mad because she has a lot of young devoted fans and they want any excuse to hate on her (even though Dune stans have been just as toxic as Wicked fans)

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u/Sleepy-Detective Jan 23 '25

Faux intellectual guys will look down on anything young girls like.

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u/BoatDrinkz Jan 24 '25

No one can be a homewrecker except the person in the relationship that gets wrecked. That person has the choice to stay in the relationship or to cheat. People like to point fingers at the “homewrecker” but ultimately, it’s the person in the relationship who makes the choice.

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u/WendyTerri Jan 27 '25

I agree with you, but it's also pretty telling if someone is willing to be with a person like that.

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u/SlickSimon98 Jan 24 '25

Can you explain the term „Depp apologist“..?

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u/Serious_Move_4423 Jan 23 '25

Why would that make me mad? Personally I just don’t like the homewrecking, not sure how people are overcomplicating it. It’s not just the sponge, ALL (exceptions if any I’m not sure of or can’t recall) of her boyfriends were taken men. And then writing songs that rub it in. It’s just SHITTY simple as that.

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u/Beginning_Bake_6924 Jan 23 '25

Never said it wasn’t shitty so I’m not sure why you’re deliberately misinterpreting what I’m saying, yes Ariana is a homewrecker but there are literally more problematic nominees that don’t get the same level of hate as Ariana. Lmao y’all will give a free pass to sexual assault but draw the line at homewrecking.

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u/Serious_Move_4423 Jan 24 '25

Hell no I don’t give a free pass to sexual assault.. “deliberately” you’re making a lot of wrong assumptions. I was addressing the accusation that we “just want an excuse not to like her” oh brother it’s giving “you’re just jealous” 🙄

I’m glad there are others willing to call out all problematic behavior, I believe we’re on the same side.

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u/freshoffthecouch Jan 24 '25

Allll celebrities cheat, all of them. Why is she being vilified? And in the grand scheme of celebrity scandals, this is pretty tepid.

Brad Pitt physically abused Angelina Jolie in front of their children and Blake Lively is a bully

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u/somethingnew_18 Jan 24 '25

What did depp do? I thought all that stuff was pretty much debunked?

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u/Previous_Job6340 Jan 24 '25

Blacking up is problematic

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u/Natasha_Giggs_Foetus Jan 24 '25

‘Incredibly intelligent’ is insane lmao

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u/CrittyJJones Jan 24 '25

Having an affair with the husband of a pregnant woman is awful.

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u/devilishycleverchap Jan 24 '25

The kid was born like a year before

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u/CrittyJJones Jan 24 '25 edited Jan 24 '25

Incorrect. The affair started while Ethan's wife was pregnant. Regardless, cheating with the husband of a woman with a newborn while you are married isn't much better.

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u/Natasha_Giggs_Foetus Jan 24 '25

It’s probably worse

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u/devilishycleverchap Jan 24 '25

Sure it isn't much better but the devil is in the details on these things.

The kid was born in August 2022, Wicked didn't start filming until December. The dating rumors don't start until like July 2023.

These are real people's personal lives, I don't really care that much but it is a slippery slope to misrepresent the timeline.

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u/freshoffthecouch Jan 24 '25

Yeah, if you’re gonna judge at least be accurate

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u/splackavelliee Jan 23 '25

And is the blaccent part of her kind well spoken intelligence?

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u/Commander_Fem_Shep Jan 24 '25

You can look at most of Ariana Grande’s behavior and use it as a case study for trauma-informed care and “changing the question”. Essentially viewing her behavior and choices and instead of asking what’s wrong with her, ask what happened to her? And use that lens shift to better understand how and why we act the way we do when we’ve experienced repeated trauma.

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u/freshoffthecouch Jan 24 '25

Look, her biggest crime was being the other woman, how many other celebrities have cheated? How many other celebrities have committed worse acts? All celebs have issues, that’s the name of the game. But really, all people have issues, that’s life

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u/ucuruju Jan 24 '25

How about when she licked those donuts or whatever? Lol.

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u/SlickSimon98 Jan 24 '25

I don’t think that most people hate on her because she’s „problematic“. What people say on here is spot on: her being a homewrecker is messed up, but a lot of prominent hollywood figures did way worse and got away with it (and a lot of Ariana haters too). People hate on her because she’s cringe, fake and annoying as can be. Blackiana, her changing her voice all the time, now this new fake good girl persona telling everyone how thankful she is for their presence (while still being a homewrecker)…. The homewrecking is bad but not the main reason why she’s hated.

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u/EarlJWJones Jan 23 '25

R/agedlikemilk

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '25

It’s a knife when you’re finally on top

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u/Llamallamapig Jan 23 '25

I don’t think Grande or Saldaña were truly supporting roles. I enjoyed Ariana in Wicked, far more than I thought I would because I’m not a fan. I thought she had great comic timing, was charismatic and was watchable. It wasn’t an obvious Oscar-worthy performance but I do welcome the nominations being a bit more broad, so it’s not just heavy dramatic performances getting nods. Having a horror film performance for best actress and a lighthearted musical/comic performance nominated for supporting is great.

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u/lawyercat63 Jan 24 '25

Rewatched on a turbulent flight home last night and needed something to distract me. I focused on the nuances in Ariana’s performance and she does nail it… plus the slight change of tone from the musical helped deliver her version of the character

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u/bongonzales2019 Jan 23 '25

People here are saying she only got nominated because they campaign like what? Did Margot Robbie get her Oscar nom after campaigning hard? What about the critics who rave about Ariana's performance? Just say you're a snob and a hater and move on.

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u/Spirited_Repair4851 Jan 23 '25

Ignoring the whole SpongeBob scandal (which is ironic because she was on Nickelodeon), I think people incorrectly viewed her as a "Singer trying to be an Actress". They forget that Grande has been acting since she child in TV & Theater.

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u/Key_Basket_3671 Jan 24 '25

Did anyone see both Challengers and Wicked? Was Ariana better than Zendaya?

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u/Upper_Nobody2571 Jan 24 '25

Good question: probably not? Is Zendaya a supporting actress though? I’m not entirely sure what the rules are to be considered what. I think I read somewhere that Grande has more screen time than Erivo, but she’s somehow a supporting actress.

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u/Key_Basket_3671 Jan 24 '25

I totally forgot they would be nominated in different categories. I honestly never thought Ariana would be nominated for an Oscar before Zendaya.

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u/Upper_Nobody2571 Jan 24 '25

I can get behind that as well hahaha. We live in weird times.

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u/furiousdolphins Jan 24 '25

Glinda does not have more screen time. Elphaba has 14 more minutes than Glinda, and is the only character who is in more than 50% of the movie.

That being said, Glinda is still in a lot of the movie, but narratively she is there to support Elphaba’s story. Elphaba has basically 3 solo songs completely to her own (though Glinda is featured in parts of Defying Gravity). Glinda gets only one song to herself. It’s Elphaba’s story to follow

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u/Upper_Nobody2571 Jan 24 '25

That all makes sense. I thought I read it but didn’t bother to check my sources. Thanks for the clarification!

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u/dre4mspice Jan 24 '25

Half the internet has been absurdly stupid about Ariana grande over the past year. So much projection, jealousy and fake moral outrage.

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u/Mysterious-Talk-387 Jan 23 '25

I still think her acting is stilted and not Oscar worthy. Much of award season is about campaigning/ public sentiment that a giant hit like this deserves some nominations for being a giant hit

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u/OkFall7940 Jan 23 '25

To be fair, winning an Oscar is almost always about campaigning. The production house, as well as the nominee, are glad-handing throughout awards season.

I think Ariana did a fine job and is surely grateful to have collaborated with someone as talented as Cynthia.

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u/Mysterious-Talk-387 Jan 23 '25

I agree about campaigning, I just wish it wasn't so obvious

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u/OkFall7940 Jan 24 '25

Me too. Politics corrupt the art.

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u/Lydhee Jan 23 '25

Exactly

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u/bongonzales2019 Jan 23 '25

You guys are saying this like she's also not raved by the critics.

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u/fkkkn Jan 24 '25

How dare we use our brains to formulate our own opinions!

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u/AFatz Jan 24 '25

It's not that you can't have your own opinion. Of course you can. It's just when your opinion is the minority amongst essentially every base, don't act surprised when you get push back for it. Then to claim someone is bashing you for having an opinion, and not the opinion itself.

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u/charlottekeery Jan 24 '25

“Film critics” the only people known to literally be above science itself due to the fact that they are 100% factually correct in every conclusion they come to.

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u/PurpleSpaceSurfer Jan 23 '25

I agree. I thought she was fine but based on what I read on here I was expecting this mind-blowing, all timer performance.

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u/ShaynaPenn Jan 23 '25

If we’re going by the last massive musical adaptation with a best supporting actress who stole the movie, was expecting something more along the lines of Catherine Zeta Jones owning Chicago. 

I’ve seen so many pieces of Wicked Part 1 and I just cannot for the life of me understand what about Ariana’s performance is good, beyond parts of her singing. 

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u/marleyman14 Jan 23 '25

Exactly! How anyone thought she was better than Margret Qually is insane.

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u/itsnotemilyitsemmy Jan 24 '25

Me too! I had really high expectations based on the source material and the passion expressed by the people involved and then the response it got. When I actually watched the movie the only performance I liked a lot was Cynthia’s.

I like how people on this sub in one post is like “of course the awards are all about campaigning and networking. You’re stupid if you don’t know that” and the next they’re like “see this nomination proves this person’s performance was Oscar worthy. They proved you wrong”. With Ariana I’m sure they’ll also get a lot more viewers to the show which they probably considered.

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u/IsMisePrinceton Jan 24 '25

She isn’t giving an Oscar worthy performance throughout the entire movie but there are moments of real genius, and nuance that are simply magnificent.

But that aside, it the performance on the screen and not just the acting that’s judged. That’s why musical theatre performers do so well in during award season, they’re acting and singing and dancing. So while Ariana did have some genuinely great acting moments, it’s everything else about the performance that makes it a contender.

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u/brooklynneedshelp Jan 23 '25

I’m honestly shocked at the way Wicked has been received, not just by general audiences, but critics too. I really didn’t find anything remarkable about it, and the fact that it’s one of the top nominated films is just ridiculous to me.

As for Ariana Grande, I thought her performance was fine— good, maybe even. But Oscar worthy? I suppose the award hasn’t meant much over the past couple of years anyways considering the fact that there have been some absolutely atrocious wins. But still, I keep hoping each year we will set higher standards for these kinds of things.

To me, Wicked is like the Barbie of this year. It’s a fine movie, but the only awards it should be winning is production design and hair and makeup. Yes, the actors did a good job. But the best performances of the year? I personally don’t see it. Nobody should be mocking anyone though regardless, I agree with you there.

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u/nielsnable Jan 24 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

This is me with Anora.

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u/TipVirtual196 Jan 24 '25

okay just jumping in to say - there seems to be extremely little respect for the vocal work that Ariana had to do for this role. she’s singing operatic soprano from the second she appears on screen!! she made better versions of extremely well known and beloved songs. this person clearly put in so much work and did so well and people are really like … “there was nothing remarkable about it” oh really?

you try doing three key changes while hitting choreo in a floor length robe. then you can say what she did wasn’t remarkable. you’ll have earned it.

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u/brooklynneedshelp Jan 24 '25 edited Jan 24 '25

Completely see where you’re coming from. I never said there wasnt anything remarkable about her performance— just the movie as a whole. I have respect for actors who, in addition to acting, can show off other talents as well. Certainly not an easy task. I think that these factors should always be considered, but at the end of the day, it’s an acting competition, not the Grammys.

Obviously, I’m not an actor or singer so no I could not achieve what she does in the film. The same as how I’m not going to jump off a cliff and record it because I’m not Tom cruise. I’m still allowed to have an opinion on the matter regardless of how difficult their job may have been because movies are made for anyone to watch and critique. And like I said in my first comment, I think she did a good job in her performance, but for me, I just didn’t connect with it. I truly admire your passion, though, and I’m glad you enjoyed her in Wicked.

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u/AFatz Jan 24 '25

"I never said there wasn't anything remarkable about her performance"

"I thought her performance was fine- good even, maybe" this is all you said about her performance, which seems like a pretty unremarkable review to me.

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u/brooklynneedshelp Jan 24 '25

Ok, sure. We can say that. Not sure why this point in particular is so important. In my second comment, I was only correcting them on what I referred to as unremarkable because they thought that first sentence was about her acting (which was actually about the entire movie). But your insinuation is correct too. For the record, I did find her singing to be fantastic (maybe the only part I’d consider “remarkable”), but the performance as a whole didn’t stand out to me as Oscar worthy in the slightest. So, yes— unremarkable.

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u/fkkkn Jan 24 '25

she made better versions of extremely well known and beloved songs.

Hold your horses. Ariana is a talented singer, but she's no Cheno.

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u/Environmental_Gur288 Jan 23 '25

I think so.

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u/zipplesdownthestairs Jan 24 '25

I'd also agree. From a musical standpoint it was better than the gosling one and ariana did steal the show as supporting with her comedy.

It was probably the best film I watched this year.

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u/AroraCorealis Jan 23 '25

her getting nominated is not going to stop me from saying she's not a good actress

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u/xegdhktdcjfc Jan 23 '25

and you can do that, but luckily your opinion is as important as any other on this sub which is not at all

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u/Over_Response_8468 Jan 23 '25

Not super important, but important enough for a stranger to remember and dedicate a post to probably lol 

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u/xegdhktdcjfc Jan 24 '25

which is still not important at all because this is reddit. and let’s not act like it’s hard to remember when a lot of people in this sub are still acting the exact same way

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u/AroraCorealis Jan 24 '25

liking a celebrity is not a personality trait no matter how hard you try

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u/Iovemelikeyou Jan 24 '25

stop being parasocial

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u/xegdhktdcjfc Jan 24 '25

and disliking a celebrity isn’t a personality trait either, why are you acting like that is so different. you people on here hate her for no reason

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u/Timothee_Forest Jan 23 '25

Ariana is a good actress: Evidence: -Critical & Public Acclaim -GG,BAFTA,SAG,CC & Oscar Nomination

Ariana is Bad: Evidence: Aroracorealis’ Opinion

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u/AroraCorealis Jan 23 '25

ariana stans opinions are worthless to me and i'm choosing not to argue with you

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u/bongonzales2019 Jan 23 '25

You're a fcking hypocrite and narcissistic. You devalue others opinion but not yours who is also nothing? The critics and the movie industry are awarding her performance. Barbie also had spent millions in campaigning yet it didnt give Margot an Oscar nom.

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u/AroraCorealis Jan 24 '25

sorry i don't really want to ever talk to an ariana stan but i hope you get a hobby or something someday

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u/bongonzales2019 Jan 24 '25

Take your own advice, troll.

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u/Superguy766 Jan 24 '25

These Oscars are going to be as bad as the 1999 Oscars when Shakespeare in Love won for Best Picture and Gwyneth Paltrow won for Best Actress.

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

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u/Habeatsibi Jan 23 '25

I still don't understand why she was nominated. I wouldn't say her acting was especially good or something... IMHO.

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u/Lydhee Jan 23 '25

Her and the whole movie tbh 😭

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u/regretscoyote909 Jan 23 '25

Her singing was impressive, and her physical comedy was pretty damn good. Add in some earnest emotional moments, and BOOM that's what you get.

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u/mephistophe_SLEAZE Jan 23 '25

And honestly, I think that's plenty. She put in a lot of hard work and it was evident. People act like award-worthy acting is just crying til you snot, but comedy (physicality and timing), choreography, and operatic singing, all while building a unique take on a character while observing and nodding to iterations past? Idk why people don't want to call that impressive.

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u/marleyman14 Jan 23 '25

It’s impressive for a musical, sure. But in a year of really difficult performances, hers was way off some other actresses. You talk about her putting work into it, most actors spend decades perfecting their craft before even getting a part in a large feature film. Ariana got it because of her pop star status.

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u/PeopleEatingPeople Jan 24 '25

That is just not true, the audition process was six months, they didn't just hand it to her. Also compared to some other known auditionees she has better vocals. I love Dove and Amanda, but I have never heard of them doing the operatic notes Ariana had to do in this role.

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u/starsareblind42 Jan 24 '25

She definitely got the role because of her star power. Yes she auditioned and had to be able to sing well which she obviously can, but I’m sure there were plenty of people who auditioned that has had much more training than he. There are just so many people that have played Glinda on stage before that probably auditioned and could’ve been much better in the role, but they wanted a big name and got it. Also idk about Amanda but Dove has performed as Clara in light in the piazza which has some high parts. I’m sure she could play Glinda just fine. It’s not a coincidence that the person with the biggest fandom who auditioned got the part.

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u/AFatz Jan 24 '25

"For a musical" is an asinine take tbh.

Could Ariana do what the other nominees did this year? Probably not. But I know for a certain fact that no other actress nominated this year could have played Glinda and not made an ass out of themselves.

Not to mention discounting a movie for it's genre is played tf out.

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u/marleyman14 Jan 24 '25

As I said, I haven’t criticised her performance. I’m sure she was great in the role, but that doesn’t mean she deserves an acting nomination. Go and see “the Substance” and come and tell me Ariana deserved a nomination over Margret Qualley.

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u/t14eagles Jan 24 '25

I have seen the substance and I think that Ariana deserved a nomination over Qualley. That film as a whole is overrated

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u/AFatz Jan 24 '25

I bought The Substance and Wicked when they came out on digital (among several others). The Substance would be my BP vote and Demi would have my BA vote. Ariana would still have my BSA vote.

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u/mephistophe_SLEAZE Jan 23 '25

They didn't just give it to any pop star. They cast a pop star who started on Broadway as a child. And as someone who does straight plays, musicals, and every sort of live theatre in between, I think there's huge artistic merit in a variety of roles. I'm glad to see Demi getting her flowers too, but I am generally tired of seeing the Academy only reward deep pain and/or historical mimicry. And the way other musical films often hide their musical status because of general public eye-rolling? Ariana and Cynthia overcame a lot of popcorn dismissal to win audiences (and now Academy voters) over with their top-to-bottom dynamic performances. I'm glad to see it.

ETA: I shouldn't be hyperbolic dismissing the Academy. Marisa Tomei's win is unironically one of my favorites of all time.

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u/LordSpooky66 Jan 23 '25

its just who campaigns the most. doesnt have much to do with acting unfortunately

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u/Habeatsibi Jan 23 '25

what a shame...

I don't think the actors who voted didn't see any problems with Grande's acting. It's just an elephant in the room.

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u/ddm92392 Jan 24 '25

First of all, bravo.

Second, I often have to remember that everyone's definition of an Oscar contender is different. Some people think it has to be this overly dramatic performance, other's just want it to be memorable. For me, it's the latter. Ariana may not have been the second coming of Meryl Streep on screen, but she was fun, a great co-star to Cynthia's character, conflicted at times - which made for good drama imo, and could sing the house down in a movie where that is the primary goal. She deserves just as much a chance at glory as the others do.

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u/Permanenceisall Jan 24 '25

Once again Reddit proving itself to be damn near the opposite of a societal barometer.

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u/Lydhee Jan 23 '25

Did she receive it tho?

No.

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u/furiousdolphins Jan 23 '25

Maybe she won’t and that’s okay, but to be consistently ranked as one of the top two contenders (alongside Saldaña) is still proving these people wrong

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u/marleyman14 Jan 23 '25

She was nominated, but it doesn’t show she deserved it over many more talented actresses

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u/Lydhee Jan 23 '25

Agreed

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u/just_a_mean_jerk Jan 23 '25

Hahahaha, does anyone actually believe it wasn’t because of the hundreds of millions of dollars in campaigning?

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u/bongonzales2019 Jan 23 '25

But the critics are also raving about her performance. Haters will be always haters.

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u/Habeatsibi Jan 24 '25

I have no idea what's going on with these critics. And I'm not even a hater. Maybe I'm stupid and blind, but her acting wasn't good imo. And no amount of praise will change it.

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u/furiousdolphins Jan 24 '25

So you would deny her chances of getting a nom because of her campaign skills or her acting? If the Oscar’s are all about campaigning ppl should never have doubted her ability to get nominated in the first place, however they all chalked it up to her “lack” of acting abilities

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u/just_a_mean_jerk Jan 24 '25

She wouldn’t have been nominated if not for the Oscar campaign. Sorry if that offends you.

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u/furiousdolphins Jan 24 '25

Can we settle on a middle ground and say it’s because of BOTH her critically acclaimed performance AND the insane advertising the film had? Two things can be true

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u/just_a_mean_jerk Jan 24 '25

I genuinely don’t think the oscars are a barometer for the quality of a performance. If you liked her, who the hell cares what anyone else thinks? Do you find validation in the oscars?

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u/quangtran Jan 24 '25

No, it clearly wasn't just the campaigning. I haven't actually seen Wicked, but the people who have seen it have been very vocal about how much they love her in the role.

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u/chainless-soul Jan 23 '25

I was not confident about her casting and can admit I was wrong. However, I don't think she's going to win ... at least not for Part 1. Come back in a year and we'll see.

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u/furiousdolphins Jan 23 '25

They’ve both got a better chance next year, especially Cynthia. The roles are a lot meatier in act II

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u/chainless-soul Jan 23 '25

Yeah, there's that too. Plus I wouldn't consider it unreasonable for the voters to look at both movies as a one performance. The character arcs are only half done.

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u/Cold-Confection-8695 Jan 24 '25 edited Jan 25 '25

I know that all of that makes sense, but there’s a part of me that finds it difficult to imagine Erivo winning for Wicked without “Defying Gravity,” and even more difficult to imagine Grande winning for Wicked without “Popular.” The latter especially feels like Zeta-Jones, Hudson or Hathaway winning without “All That Jazz,” “And I Am Telling You…” and “I Dreamed A Dream.”

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u/chainless-soul Jan 24 '25

Maybe the two new songs make the difference?

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u/Cold-Confection-8695 Jan 25 '25

Ah, that is a good point. And if one or both showcase Elphaba, I could see that additional material + “No Good Deed” + Elphaba’s rage translating to a win for Erivo.

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u/Bubbly_Resident_1251 Jan 23 '25

She's just in the wrong catagory, and took a nomination away from a truly "supporting" role. And that's sad. It's not the first time though.

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u/FriendsCallMeStreet Jan 23 '25

Would you say the same thing about Zoe Saldana?

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u/Ice_Princeling_89 Jan 24 '25

Umm the current frontrunner for the category is Saldana…have you seen how much she’s in that goddamn film?

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u/Environmental_Gur288 Jan 23 '25

Ariana, Mikey and the substance BP noms was 75% of what I hoped for! (My fourth one was Margaret Qualley)

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u/Chalupa_Dad Jan 23 '25

Amazing receipts!!

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u/whatufuckingdeserve Jan 24 '25

Demi Moore has a 60% chance of winning as of this morning. Her odds have shortened since she won the golden globe and she’s currently the favourite. In other news Kieran Culkin is the 90% favourite to win best supporting actor.

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u/Ever_More_Art Jan 23 '25

People nowadays think that good acting is mumbling through depressive dramas, imitating the mannerisms of a dead celebrity or in the case of women, being naked and sexual because that’s “vulnerable”. What Ariana and Cynthia did as actors is very, very difficult. It’s a level of energy, commitment to the part and restraint to not go overboard that’s very difficult to maintain. All of this at the same time. Look at most of the Disney live action adaptations to see how difficult it is to make these theatrical larger than life characters feel real. Look at the guy that played Jafar specially, who played him straight up as if he was in a regular movie and it feels so bland and out of place. But people have such a basic understanding of acting it’s tiring.

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u/AwkwardSwine101 Jan 23 '25

should’ve kept their usernames. they were proud enough to say that online, so they should accept how wrong they were.

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u/Appellion Jan 24 '25

Thank god I’m not the only one that hates her, Personally I refused to even watch it knowing she was going to be in it. She’s always been an entitled brat.

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u/rae_chels Jan 23 '25

But she was so bad

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u/tmanarl Jan 24 '25

OP in it for the long game.

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u/Gabriel_Plays_Games Jan 24 '25

same people who made fun of ryan gosling’s barbie.

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u/coldliketherockies Jan 24 '25

Umm aren’t those individual takes. Like individual people in a world of 8 billion peoples takes. I feel like sometimes people find what they want to fit a narrative. And even if it was true people thought she couldn’t do it, well she’s never been a star of a movie before so they had nothing to base off of until they saw the role anwyahb

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u/babyrothko Jan 24 '25

she was fantastic and really brought this character to life for me. I'm so happy she was nominated and I hope she can take it all the way! I've been waiting for the film to be made since I saw it on broadway as a teen and she exceeded all expectations and made me as hopeful as I once had been. She ate that!!!

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u/Vendetta4Avril Jan 24 '25

Wicked was good, but Wicked Stans have been the most annoying part of Reddit for the last year, and they’ve crept into nigh every movie sub. Most of them have very little film knowledge and just want their movie to win. I cannot wait until part 2 is done and I never have to hear from these people again.

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u/Classic_Bass_1824 Jan 26 '25

I thought Barbie was bad. I didn’t know what I was thinking lol.

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u/Vendetta4Avril Jan 26 '25

Yeah, for real. Barbie was also original in its story and hilarious. I actually like Barbie quite a bit more than Wicked.

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u/ElmarSuperstar131 Jan 24 '25

I thought she did a decent job in the film, better than I expected. With that being said, I feel this nomination is gratuitous because it was just a slightly different variation of any other performance within her limited acting experience.

I really despise how this sub can become so toxic towards others with differing opinions.

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u/Classic_Bass_1824 Jan 26 '25

It’s because it’s Ariana Grande. Pop stars have stupidly rabid fandoms.

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u/ElmarSuperstar131 Jan 26 '25

💯! They tie with Michael Jackson and Britney Spears for the most toxic fandoms.

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u/jorgelrojas Jan 24 '25

To be fair, the movie does look awful. But she's great in it; the best part, imo

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u/Puzzleheaded_List01 Jan 25 '25

Oscar has become a joke in itself, so why mock anyone over it

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u/TylerDoesStuff Jan 26 '25

I was one of those people, and I ended up loving the movie. The trailers were fucking awful though.

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u/Whyyoutakemystuff Feb 21 '25

They weren't wrong though

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u/Boring_Level4168 Mar 04 '25

That's supposed to happen when a vile person do something like acting which reach a wide range of audience.They wouldn't be able to accept the character just because of the backstory of that person

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u/RevolutionaryBuy5794 Jan 23 '25

Remember there is still Wicked Part 2 where she is going to be the main contender and frontrunner and win.

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u/Ancient-Sherbert-125 Jan 23 '25

Honestly I hated her as Glinda. She was cringey not funny. It’s blasphemous she got a nomination over Margaret Qualley.

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u/xegdhktdcjfc Jan 23 '25

i really don’t know why so many people in this sub have such a problem with wicked but mainly ariana. so many of you come across as very misogynistic, bitter and all-around awful people. y’all don’t have to like the movie or even like her acting, but the way some of you people go after her is insane. because now the oscars are all about campaigning but when somebody you like gets nominated it’s because they were amazing and it was deserved

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u/EllieCat009 Jan 23 '25

Back when the first trailer came out, and based on my knowledge of the film from what i saw at CinemaCon, I made a post back in July asking if we were underestimating Wicked, and all of the comments were so rude and nasty, saying the movie looked awful and I was dumb for thinking that, to the point where I deleted the post…

Yeah, times like these are the best part of awards season.

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u/Natasha_Giggs_Foetus Jan 24 '25

Crash won best picture

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u/MannnOfHammm Jan 23 '25

Gotta saying knowing the book and the show, wait till act two she gets deep