Agenda Post
"Let's make peace with terrorists. Trust me, they won't break it this time."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3wxe5g4z9yo
Nine of the dead were children, said President Volodymyr Zelensky, who grew up in Kryvyi Rih. Local officials said a ballistic missile had hit a residential area. Moscow had fired an Iskander-M ballistic missile with a cluster warhead to maximise casualties.
I mean, even from a purely selfish/objectivist perspective, why the fuck would you model your economic path forward based on that of Russia's. That country is a second-world shit-hole, and yet the "Trust in Trump" people seem content to become modern serfs.
Most of my mothers family is from Serbia (the rest either Russia or other Eastern Europe countries) and lets just say they have unique ways to express their hatred on Putin.
They turned him into a living meme. Only boomers who dont have social media besides Facebook haven't seen these, the memes killed his chance at running for any serious role
This has been my confusion when people say supporting Ukraine means you support people dying.
They want to fight. They're going to keep fighting with or without us. At least with America supplying them, they have resources to limit the death on their side.
And do people really think if Ukraine loses Russia, will roll into Kyiv and not slaughter thousands of people?
They're willing to do whatever it takes to shoot children murdering commies and for some reason our retard in chief isn't willing to just hand them a gun
he thinks the event that directly led to his rise and the comfort he lives in was a tragedy and he always tells the truth plainly, and he is vocally supported by 10 crack smokers on Twitter
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I don't know what the original comment all the way up top said, but... are you seriously trying to say that we can nuke Russia because they wouldn't be able to retaliate after being nuked? Yeah, great idea, let's try it! I've always wanted to live Threads) in real life!
The meme keeps trying to say it is. It reeks of no true Scotsman just because this sub is vehemently pro Ukraine that it's not in a tiny minority on the auth (using some no name) and lib right.
“Anti-imperialist” as he literally tries to forcibly take over a foreign country. Do these kids even know what words mean? If they mean “anti-western” they should just say that
Seems to be ok if the middle east in general does it. Remember, as long as we were there, every American munition that inadvertently killed a child was "the United States slaughtering children," but also, every single terrorist strike against their own civilian population (including children) was laid at our feet because "they had to because the United States is occupying their country."
True, Ukraine also refuses to give back the hostages, and has continued the fire rockets even all throughout the ceasefire. I can't believe they paraded Russian dead babies through their streets while throwing candy their fat starving Ukrainian children during an exchange.
Oh wait minute...
I sincerely can't deal with the level of retardation of people comparing Israel and Ukraine anymore 🤦
Was Ukraine firing rockets from the hospital, and using it as a base of operations? And did they immediately say 500 people died, after their own rocket fell back on top of them because the iron dome intercepted it, when they shot it from behind their own hospital...?
Yup, tell that to all the idiots who thought that Ukraine was the worst affected war torn country of the 2020s when Yemen has been dying for years but nobody cares because it’s not European.
The US is even partially involved in Yemen because Saudi Arabia, a US ally, is using US weapons there too, and US intelligence has been keeping an eye on that.
It’s not our responsibility per se, but it’s extremely geopolitically disadvantageous when Trump publicly says “Putin wants peace and to negotiate!” and it’s obvious Putin doesn’t give two shits.
no..that only mentions help in the event of nuclear attack
this has been correct and re-corrected for months yet you still keep saying it
there is literally NO BINDING DEFENSE AGREEMENT in place by the US and Ukraine.
Prior to the russian illegal invasion of Ukraine, Ukraine was considered a ridiculously corrupt state, not an ally of any sort and the idea of them being in NATO a complete joke.
Ukraine is a pawn. Nothing more. YOU may think this is to help the Ukrainian people. Our government is using Ukraine as a meat shield to weaken Moscow.
They are ramping up weapon deliveries: germany, the Uk, Norway have made some huge pledges recently ( Norway doubled aid).
Macron also seems to be taking over as main negotiator.
However there still is the typical problem of the EU that there is no clear united strategy for Ukraine. Italy, France and germany all seem the have different ideas of possible security guarantees. We also still have Hungary blocking everything it can towards Ukraine, even recently claiming Ukraine was threatening Hungarian national security by attacking russian oil facilities...
Its a real mess when you have to deal with the interests of almost 30 countries at the same time.
Especially when they keep swearing they're going to do so. It seems like they think they can embaress the US into submission or something, as if we should be ashamed if any part of Europe has to do "our job" for us, and would naturally respond by "stepping up" in some fit of pique?
So as usual, they don't get it at all.
Then when we don't respond as expected, they just awkwardly admit they weren't going to do it after all.
Effeminate Europeans with their modern toys are scared of the Russians with WW2 relics. Also Europe got bigger problems like that little issue of the desert cult invasion.
Why? Incredibly simple. The US made us reliant and complacent. They guaranteed our protection, they sold us out equipment, they bought out all the talent.
Just like a muscle withering away when unused, the European MIC stalled out and fell behind the curve when the demand simply wasn't there. Americans could supply us with their cutting-edge gear, buying from them was both easier and cheaper than it was to design and manufacture our own counterparts from scratch.
The US didn't make anyone do anything. Europe has been asked for literal decades to up their spending, never did. Europe became complacent from US benevolence, assuming we would always foot the bill for them.
You can also blame your own societies. Europeans love to complain about the US being the world police, so now when that cultural shift starts to affect Americans, and Americans vote for someone who isn't 100% interested in being the world police, it is now a problem? Literally biting the hand that feeds.
I extremely dislike Putin and would love to see him deposed, however, before I point fingers I am reminded of the time a Ukrainian anti-air missile landed in Poland and people were quick to point the finger at Russia.
the evidence shows it was most likely an ukranian anti air missile trying to shoot down an iskander that destroyed a concentration of troops/officers at a coffee shop nearby(clearly the target because the building is actually destroyed).
Meanwhile the park is mostly undamaged and it doesn't fit the damage caused by any Iskander warhead.
Every time this happens they always blame Russia and never Ukrainian AA, which are usually from Soviet times (both local and sent from Europe from ex-Warsaw Pact)
Every single time Russia bombs civilians pro russians roll out the "muh ukrainian AA" bs. One time last year you could clearly see on video that it was KH cruise missile and they still claimed it was AA.
The kremlin never admits to anything. They still havent even acknowledged that they obviously shot down the Azerbaijani airliner in december, so dont act surprised when nobody believes Russia.
That story that broke about a missile crossing into Poland and killing a farmer was met with immediate article 5 war monger chanting and then when it was shown to be a Ukrainian missile wildly off target suddenly crickets.
I say the US pulls out of Europe and let the war mongering savages go back to endless wars inside their precious garden.
Auth left is on communism side. There's a lot of criticism that can be made to China from an Auth left pov.
Backing up a country whose only purpose in invading another is their natural resources, aka basically imperialism by book, is quite honestly the furthest you could be from being communist.
Big ol' disclaimer, this is not a conspiracy theory. I genuinely don't know the answer.
The Ukrainians have apps that give them several hours notice if a missile is headed in their direction, and even more warnings when it's confirmed that their city is the target. Why are there people letting their kids go into the playground when they know there's an active threat heading to them? Are they just numb to the warnings at this point?
As a Ukrainian — yes, mostly numb. By now there were so many air alerts that most people prefer not to interrupt their life rhythm with that. Many of the air alerts ended with the destruction of all aerial targets altogether, or with no targets but radio decoys. When something happens, as it is now, it's a big deal. But it paradoxically creates a false sense of security, you think that the chance of something happening to you personally is very small. And then it happens. Most of the time, nothing even reaches the city, and you basically only start hassling sluggishly when you hear explosions.
I highly doubt those are reliable at all. Some on dude, if they really had that tech and it was reliable they’d be winning the war easily. If dodging missiles is that easy the entire army should just do it.
Ukraine doesn't have the tech, NATO does. Between early detection radars and satellites, they can detect missile launches minutes after they happen, and will immediately know the general heading because Iskanders can't maneuver very well. Ballistic missiles have predictable courses, so you should have plenty of time to take cover once the terminal phase initiates. At that point it basically flies in a straight line.
Edit: apparently people don't know how early warning radars work? How do you guys think we were planning to track ICBMs in the Cold War? Ballistic missiles are extremely easy to track, but not necessarily to shoot down.
We have satellites with dozen square meter resolution designed to pick up the heat from a launch. AWACS planes with a detection range nearly the same as the Iskander's flight range. Ground based radars that calculate where the missile will land based on the trajectory. And we share all of that intel with Ukraine regularly
Iskander is extremely easy to detect, depending on its launch point. Many are launched from either Kursk or Rostov-on-Don, which are easily tracked by long range radar. Ballistic missiles have very predictable trajectories, which is why hypersonics are so dangerous. They can maneuver like cruise missiles, but at ballistic missile speeds. Ballistics can correct minor flaws in their trajectory in the terminal phase, but that can change maybe a few km2 at that point. Such a small area that the target city is very clear, so people should know to take shelter.
The speed of ballistic missiles make them hard to shoot down by most air defense systems. The only one that Ukraine has that can reliably do so is Patriot. But detection is pretty simple and is done all the time.
Well its hard its hard to make an assessment here. Usually Ukrainians do seek shelter when missile attacked, which is reflected by relatively low casualties figures even during intense air attack.
All i can say is that with such a high death count in Kryivyi Rih, people clearly did not expect a ballistic missile to hit near a playground. Many possible explanation for that, like the missile veering off course or the UA military not notifying fast enough.
You got a better answer from someone living there right now but I'll add on that living in a war zone is fucking bananas. Buddy of mine was doing some archaeology work in an area that gets Hamas rocket attacks on it. He hears explosions in the distance and is all "WHAT DO WE DO?" and one of the locals is like "do? Those are landing like, 50 miles (or some silly metric distance) away. Can't stop doing stuff every time there is an explosion"
As someone who lives somewhere where no missiles or rockets ever land anywhere near me that sounds insane -- but that's how they live.
Yeah, let’s do peace. However, if we do actually want to prevent more war, Ukraine has to win and Russia has to be either Balkanised or Demilitarised. It’s wishful thinking that Russia will just stop.
The US government made peace with the isis terrorist that started the Syrian civil war, then made war on them, and are now at peace with them. And they now run Syria because Israel gave them weapons we supplied. This is how international politics works bro.
Well that’s not good. That’s not good at all. Say, with the post title being “‘Let’s make peace with terrorists. Trust me, they won’t break it this time’”, are you saying the Russian government is a terrorist organization? If so, then I’m going to have to disagree with you there. I don’t want to play the semantics police, but uh, I don’t think this would qualify as “terrorism”. It’s not good, that’s for sure, but terrorism? I don’t think so. This is more like one country attacking another country because the two are at war. And again, just to be clear, I’m not trying to justify their actions here. Maybe I completely misunderstood you and you weren’t referring to the Russian government as terrorists.
I find it funny that Trump is trying so hard to paint Zelensky as an aggressor and disrespectful even though he's agreed to his exploitive deals. Meanwhile, Putin bombs a playground three seconds after a ceasefire.
There’s two options: slow bleed proxy war where Ukraine slowly loses ground until they lose entirely, or possible peace where the fighting stops and Ukraine turns into a hedgehog like Finland.
There is no situation where Ukraine storms the kremlin and wins the war. Russia decides when the war is done.
Btw you do realise we lost the war???? Like, usually the losing side isn't the one making demands and moral grandstanding.
Where exactly? Last time I checked, it was a stalemate.
Even if Ukraine was losing, it (and the stalemate) can be easily fixed by providing high-range missiles, like Tomahawks, so they can destroy the military and oil infrastracture inside Russian territory.
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u/LongjumpingElk4099 - Lib-Right 1d ago
When you’re a beacon of family values and you kill other families: