If two separate people were teaching together they would not get the same paycheck. It's the same thing here, they do not share a mind. They probably even teach different subjects, take turns. Teaching involves lectures, they are not speaking in unison
Yeah, but as someone who has co-taught middle school, two teachers who can never be on different sides of the room would not address the needs of those classes. They are both doing work, but from the perspective of a school, they are not filling two roles. Most schools don’t have an extra salary laying around unaccounted for that they can afford to pay out.
They were filling one position as students. Not like they could go to separate classes, use separate dorms, sit at different seats, etc... This is just the squeeze. Overcharge as much as possible, underpay as much as possible.
I’m not addressing the fairness of what happened at college though, am I? I’m only speaking to their current roles as teachers.
Learn about how school boards handle budgets and especially teacher salaries. The budgets aren’t really X amount of dollars a school year. It’s broken down by FTE and PTE. If that district has, say, 16 5th grade FTE roles established, and three of those in that school, how can TWO of those be used up in one class room?
Schools aren’t for profit. This isn’t about underpaying them to squeeze a profit. They have established FTEs and can’t go beyond that.
I think you’re forgetting something rather important here though. They are LEGALLY two separate people. They would both have their own social numbers and tax forms to fill out regardless how much space they take up or their ability to separate.
So regardless what the school board wants they still are bound by the labor laws within the US and must compensate EACH employee accordingly
If you really think that they should both be paid separate salaries, then they would just never be hired by a school district. Most school districts are pretty tight on money and would never be able to justify paying double salaries when there are almost definitely other equally qualified applicants.
If in the eyes of the government they are two separate individuals, then employers must abide by all labor and wage laws. Which includes paying EVERY employee. If they are two separate individuals in the eyes of the government, then they are two separate employees. It’s not hard math, it’s not subjective…
most districts are pretty tight on money
Does that mean they can legally not pay their teachers? No.
There are other comments in this thread explaining that they are paid separately and have some weird part-time deal. Once again, your insinuation would just mean that they’re never hired to a school district. No money. Congrats.
Grow up. You’re acting as if I’m saying they don’t deserve money. I don’t make the laws, pal. You’re the one that’s saying school boards shouldn’t hire people
there are other comments
Oh thank goodness! We can absolutely trust what someone on the internet has commented! At least the labor laws you can look up yourself and verify lol
I’m sure the school district has no legal staff and went into this whole contract completely blind on the legality of what they’re doing and are fucking over these people in a high publicity situation. You’re totally right and they’re totally wrong, sure dude. Are you an employment lawyer?
I’m not saying they SHOULDNT, I’m saying there is absolutely no way to justify it when you could pay one person half as much.
Education is a place where rules and boundaries blur. I left today thinking, not bad! Only 11 hours of work today!
Also, they literally have one body, so they have to be in one classroom. The only part that mystifies me is why they applied for the grade with the sassiest students. Even my fourth graders get a little unbearable toward the end of the year.
You have any source that states they only applied for one job?
Point is nobody but them actually knows what’s going on. But what we do know are the laws! Yay! And only hiring and paying for one job when it is accomplished by two people is against labor laws
5th grade teachers teach multiple subjects. I've taught as a sub, plenty of times there were two teachers in the classroom both teaching the same class and splitting the work. We both got paid lol. It's the exact same thing here.
If they don't need two teachers, then they shouldn't hire two teachers, or they should place them in a classroom that does have two teachers.
Those two teachers you mentioned in your experience as a sub were filling specifically designed roles. This isn’t even close to the same. These two can’t fill the role of two teachers, no matter how extraordinary they are.
Then they need to hire one teacher. They chose to hire two. So they need to pay both. Simple as that. It should not be between no job and getting fucked over
That literally happens ALL the time! There are tons of classrooms with two teachers who share the workload, I was literally in one lol. We both got paid
So your solution is they should not have been offered this job at all? You realize there are very few jobs that would be OK giving 2 paychecks to 1 body, right? Their predicament makes them incapable of doing more work than 1 person could do.
Because that’s not how co-teaching works. I have been a full-time co-teacher and been to multiple trainings on the subject.
One teach/One assist: Teacher A leads whole class instruction while Teacher B circulates the room to quietly assist students? Nope.
Alternative teaching: Teacher A runs a small group for remediation while Teacher B works with the rest of the students who are ready for new material? Nope.
Parallel Teaching: Teachers A and B split the class in half and deliver the same information to allow for more individual help with smaller groups? Nope.
Station Teaching: Students rotate between different stations monitored by different teachers? Nope.
One teach/One observe: Teacher A delivers instruction while Teacher B collects behavior data? Maybe, but this one works better when Teacher B is out of students’ line of sight.
Team Teaching: Teachers A and B deliver instruction in tandem? Yeah, this one works.
Of the six models of co-teaching that I’m familiar with, they could effectively do one and a half, and that’s the one the least requires a co-teacher to deliver information. They are absolutely both working, but if a class truly needs to be co-taught, then they would not be able to adequately fill both roles.
Probably because it’s extremely uncommon. It happens, but it certainly isn’t the norm. No district I’ve worked in allows it. And when it does, it’s something that is planned for ahead and budgeted ahead, not something that’s done on the fly.
Well they would never hire two people for one role. A school district would never choose them over someone equally qualified if they had to pay double. It’s that simple.
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u/JF-San 1d ago
Maybe the reasoning was this...?
They have two brains so they're two students learning.
They have one body so it's just one working