r/StockMarket • u/JasonD8888 • 2d ago
Discussion Our stock market just went through an “operation” …
Surgeon says the operation went very well.
Patient seems to be not doing well though.
Will someone make the doctor understand?
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Point is, there is just a vague assurance that “the economy is going to boom …”
What we need to be told is, how.
And why we should just sit and expect these words to come true.
This is not just the Dow or just the U.S. Stock Market. We are talking about the entire world being on edge because of executive actions that are generally regarded as not conducive to global economic prosperity.
There must be experts at the top who should be able to moderate executive actions that are potentially inimical to the nation’s economic well being. Are they afraid to talk, or have they just given up?
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u/inconsistent3 2d ago
He is certifiably insane
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u/aeplus 2d ago
His followers are insisting that it is the right thing to do.
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u/awakenedwonderer2 2d ago
I bet if you'd ask any of his followers to explain how this is a good thing their heads would explode.
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u/C1138BP 2d ago
There’s legitimately a guy on here on another post arguing that it’s all justified because border crossings are down….. they live in a separate reality and nothing you can say or prove will change their opinions.
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u/livetotranscend 2d ago
My conservative grandma just keeps saying "Well geeze, can you give the guy some time to get things done?!" Like he's working on something real great for us 🙄
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u/C1138BP 2d ago
Have you asked him why the war in Ukraine wasn’t stopped on day 1? Lol
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u/Best-Can-7115 2d ago
Or the middle east that was also promised..
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u/C1138BP 2d ago
Oh he promised this would be the administration of no wars…… wait us moving B2 bombers to Diego Garcia and air defense assets to the Middle East says otherwise….
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u/lola_dubois18 2d ago
I have read that too: They are very smart businessmen working very hard and just need some time.
Given what actual reality looks like and what like every other country is saying about the US, it sounds like a PsyOp talking point.
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u/ComfortableTailor623 2d ago
Now ask them to have the same patience and leeway when a democrat is president.
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u/GukillTV 2d ago
It’s quite literally “it takes a day to blow up a building, then 10 years to build a new one back up properly”
Except blowing up the building also destroys anyone’s financial ability to actually rebuild a new one
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u/SeamanSample 2d ago
That's hilarious. Pretty sure these people were putting those corny ass "I did that" Biden stickers everywhere within a month of him taking office
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u/happyColoradoDave 2d ago
Yes of course, immigrants come to America for the stock tips. It all makes perfect sense now. By blowing up the economy he is making America less desirable to immigrate to, immigration solved. /s
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u/Dry-News9719 2d ago edited 2d ago
Also current govt wants to bleed rapidly bloated markets and then cash in. Joe wasn’t as sleepy as he’s made out to be.
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u/phonetune 2d ago
Lol at the comment immediately after yours completely proving your point
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u/Morty_A2666 2d ago
Don't worry once their checks stop showing up in mail they will be asking some question, most likely when holding pitchforks... We'll see how papa Donald will BS his way out of that deal.
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u/BoosterRead78 2d ago
And most likely they live in the middle of Iowa so much border issues there.
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u/Jorge_the_vast 2d ago
Border crossings are down cause America sucks now and no one wants to come here. I guess that is one way to stop immigrants, make America suck.
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u/SidewaysAcceleration 2d ago
"The quality of ideas seems to play a minor role in mass movement leadership. What counts is the arrogant gesture, the complete disregard of the opinion of others, the singlehanded defiance of the world"
"Faith in a holy cause is to a considerable extent a substitute for the lost faith in ourselves."
The True Believer by Eric Hoffer, written in 1951 about mass movements. This whole book is about Trump really. Used to be a fun read until it became a little too real.
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u/DoubleJumps 2d ago
They also can't explain how this is supposed to make things better.
I keep asking them and they keep telling me that I need to have faith. Blind faith. Like this is a religion and I'm waiting for God to make it rain.
Fox News is pushing the same fucking bullshit, which means that even with their billion dollars in funding they can't come up with a plausible reason to excuse this.
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u/jordanpwalsh 2d ago
thats cause they have nothing to lose which is why they support him in the first place.
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u/faxanaduu 2d ago
They're too heavily invested to ever admit he's a deranged and insane madman. I cut all his supporters out of my life. Some family. They no longer deserve to be in my life. We all need to firmly and completely reject them.
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u/Old_Bluecheese 2d ago
Quite an operation too, two days of horse dick removal from my sorry sore ass
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u/BaggyLarjjj 2d ago
That’s just to get the hole ready for next weeks whale dick.
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u/moe-umphs 2d ago
That operation merely loaded his and his grifter buddies pockets. Americans are being robbed in the open. What an operation…
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u/transducer 2d ago
I think he knows what he is doing and just like the attention he gets by acting this way.
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u/Penifits 2d ago
And so are his voters. It's not a surprise. This is what he told everyone he was going to do. I hope they're happy, I sure ain't.
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u/MerisiCalista 2d ago
They were right about “the storm is coming” and their motto, WWG1WGA.
I didn’t expect they meant this economy and geopolitical FUBAR.
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u/nan1961 2d ago
Because he has the vocabulary and mentality of a seven-year-old
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1987 was the last time his brain committed anything to long term memory.
He's just consistently working off what he heard on Fox News in the morning for the rest of the day since then.
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u/Resident_Rise5915 2d ago
People act like he has some grasp of economics theory and history…he doesn’t he just does things and lets others clean up his mess
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u/Ok_Understanding1986 2d ago
There were a number of articles in his first term comparing his vocabulary in public speeches to past presidents. Suffice it to say word is the man does not read much beyond the New York Post and the first page or two of memos/briefings because he more or less has to. And it shows.
He is ignorant by choice.
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u/zalsrevenge 2d ago
Better stop the operation soon before he kills the patient.
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u/arjomanes 2d ago
Euthanasia is a medical procedure, but not an operation Mr. President.
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u/adarkuccio 2d ago
"Aannddd it's a big thing"
😂😂 he talks like his audience is made of 7yo kids
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u/nvltythry 2d ago
50% of American adults read below a 6th grade level. Good strategy.
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u/Different_Oil7868 2d ago
His plan:
- Tariff every country heavily.
- Free market magically brings companies back and trains the skilled work force needed to fill them.
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- Profit
His real reasons for doing this are likely different but this is what he claims will happen.
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u/SignoreBanana 2d ago
Im a little incredulous that no one is telling him no here. Like let's say he is brain addled (it's not even an unreasonable suggestion) -- literally no one in the Oval Office is like "dude, this is a terrible idea and it will not work and here's why". Like you don't have to be a rocket scientist here so what the hell? What the hell is going on?
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u/DoubleJumps 2d ago
He sat down with the Chicago economic forum last September, and they told him to his face that his tariff plan would be disastrous and why
His response was to just insist "no it won't," with no further explanation, cross his arms, pout, and then proceed to insult the other man for like 2 minutes.
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u/ShipTheRiver 2d ago
As far as I know, people are. It’s not working, obviously, but he is getting pushback. It sounds like even his internal team did not want this, judging by all those stories from earlier this week about how he was “pressuring them to go higher.”
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u/hrminer92 2d ago
All the people that would have pushed back are gone and there are only yes men this time around. Ivanka is not around to convince him to do something different either.
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u/Different_Oil7868 2d ago
I wish I knew :(. Would help me sleep a lot better at night. All I can say is out of the number of ideas I've seen about what his true motivations are, him simply doing market manipulation is the *best* case scenario. I say buckle up and get ready to put pressure on him through protests, calling policy makers, etc. Have to get him to cave on whatever the plan is.
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u/madhouseangel 2d ago
It’s an attempt at “shock and awe”. His goal is to bully other nations into negotiating new trade deals. In his fantasy world, he negotiates new deals with all nations in a few weeks and call the tariffs off in a grand gesture.
Even if he doesn’t make good deals, he will lie and trump up what he does negotiate while actually backing down.
Trump thinks he is a great negotiator. But he’s an idiot and has bitten off more than he can chew.
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u/hrminer92 2d ago
FWIW, the “Great Negotiator” bought a fleet of used airliners, terminal equipment, old systems, etc for $360m when the industry SMEs that he initially hired to run it estimated that he could have started from scratch with new stuff for $300m.
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u/psychadelicbreakfast 2d ago
What pisses me off is that he’s basing this all on the flow of goods.. well what about the flow of services?
The US has a vast trade surplus in services, like $250+ billion. And now due to him ratfucking everyone people will begin to look elsewhere.
Idiot.
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u/SuperFeneeshan 2d ago
I had a MAGA friend hit me with, "You really support exploiting foreign workers making extremely low wages?"
Like, what happened? Went from "America is for Americans" to "All people on Earth should be treated fairly." I mean, I respect the sentiment and perspective, but I get the feeling he only said that because he wanted to find a way to win the argument and couldn't appeal to logos lol.
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u/AlmightyCraneDuck 2d ago
How does your friend feel about OSHA and Federal Regulations for the protection of workers? It's fucking comical, man! It's all so blatantly hypocritical.
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u/DoubleJumps 2d ago
Yeah they don't care about that. When I explained to a bunch of them that these tariffs would hurt my business because I need to get materials that are manufactured in another country, they immediately accused me of supporting slave labor.
The country in question that I get those materials from is Japan.
When I told them this, they still insisted that I was supporting slight labor.
They don't have any actual thought process on this. They just have canned responses and aggression.
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u/bhbh1234 2d ago
This logic falls apart when you look at workers rights in the EU and Canada.
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u/SuperFeneeshan 2d ago
We were mainly talking about textile imports. Discussion was basically:
"This will bring manufacturing to the US!"
"Textiles won't come to the US. Nor will other low skill manufacturing like many cheap products produced in Vietnam, India, China, etc. It'll raise the prices. Maybe we get more auto and tech manufacturing."
"Why do you support exploiting cheap labor of poor people in Asia? That's not fair to them."
I mean... Not wrong. I'd respect it if he genuinely cared about those people... I just doubt he does.
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u/bhbh1234 2d ago
Agreed. I doubt this is the desire of the administration either seeing as trump has exploited cheap labor his entire life. Applying tariffs across all industries doesn’t accomplish this either.
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u/lochmoigh1 2d ago
I dont think there's 4d chess or crashing it on purpose to buy the dip. I think he really thinks he's a business genius and tariffs are going to be his idea that puts him on mount Rushmore for having such a genius idea
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u/Different_Oil7868 2d ago
I think there might be some hidden motivations such as him trying to push the tax burden onto the working class through tariffs, but even that isn't a 4D chess move. More like a shitty checkers move since it would never work long term. Anyone but the braindead economists who came up with the idea of a flat tax rate know better.
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u/Correct-Cat-5308 2d ago
There might be more - he/they might be hoping to force other countries to accept the devaluation of USD and therefore of US debt, and/or that other countries will cave in like US institutions and offer protection money (a part of why he's threatening to leave NATO). I'm sure it's not just his brain behind it - Thiel and Yarvin's feverish brains might also be. Some countries will try to negotiate, which will only enable the dump more. I hope most will follow Canada's example.
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u/SignoreBanana 2d ago
I keep hearing this currency devaluation theory and it doesn't make one ounce of sense to me. If our currency becomes unstable, it will no longer be the world's operating currency. How can that possibly turn out ok for us with all of the debt we have?
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u/ShipTheRiver 2d ago
You can devalue the usd without removing its status as the global reserve. This just isn’t a good way to go about it (severe understatement).
Also it’s not a theory, it’s one of trumps directly stated goals. We know he’s trying to devalue the usd.
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u/LW_GLAZER 2d ago
trump had a full-on mental break in October where stopped taking questions and instead played music over the speakers for 30 minutes while he just stood there awkwardly. Dumbass voters saw that and thought, yeah that's the guy with the faculties to bring about the next golden age. Fucking embarrassing.
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u/euphoric_shill 2d ago
I am convinced that insanely disturbing display occured immediately after he learned that Mr. Swasticar sealed the deal.
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u/moneyball32 2d ago
Still can't believe we have a moron whose University professor described him as "the dumbest goddam student I ever had" and who literally paints himself orange leading the US
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u/pentox70 2d ago
From the outside, looking in, it boggles the mind.
The US has access to some of the most talented, educated, and influential people on the planet.
This is bottom heavy buffon wearing make up is the best you could come up with?
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u/shokolokobangoshey 2d ago edited 2d ago
It…really isn’t a stretch. His story is about as American as it gets
Faux underdog with a superiority complex (America #1)
Will not hold self accountable or take responsibility for anything (civil war traitors were kid gloved; US will not subscribe to ICJ)
Can not be told what to do by anyone (loud, brash American stereotype)
Chronic main character syndrome (“US won WWII for everyone!”)
Worshippers at the church of success and mammon (the vast majority of griftfluencers are American. The U.S. arguably invented modern influencer culture)
Proudly ignorant
These are uniquely American (negative) qualities that the world finds charming in small doses, even Americans. Distilled into concentrate? Ugh. Trump is the American id personified. Of course he became President
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u/fuzzus628 2d ago
There's been 3 or 4 decades of chipping away at the trust of educated people and public institutions, and priming people to lap it up via insufficient education and lack of critical thinking skills. Some powerful and influential people and organizations have been working very hard for a very long time to get someone like Donald Trump into the presidency.
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u/Correct-Cat-5308 2d ago
Is that like ... "special economic operation" or something?
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u/Holiday-Zombie-5693 2d ago
heres the thing about operations; they are not always successful and your patient doesn't always survive
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u/joepke53 2d ago
Certainly when it's brain surgery and you let a plumber perform it. No offense to plumbers
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u/dIO__OIb 2d ago
How does a country with a trade deficit and no tariff on U.S. imports even negotiate a better term? Like how does some country like Honduras that exports most of its coffee import enough U.S. goods to the close the gap when the average person makes like $2500 a year?
these economists blowing smoke up trumps ass know these basics, yet they are pushing this bullshit global tariff like there is a solution to trade deficits. WTF is happening? it’s like that episode in twilight zone with the kid in charge.
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u/hrminer92 2d ago
Honduras just has to convince Trump that all the firearms smuggled out of Florida should count towards their trade totals.
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u/DoggystyleFTW 2d ago
That's not even the problem, to close a gap you must have both parties wanting to. But for your example, no one in Honduras was marketing door to door in the USA trying to sell coffee, it was the Americans who came rushing in asking for coffee so it's not like the 'trade deficit' was set up to pillage the American economy by other countries, it was set up specifically and purposely by American companies trying to squeeze as much money from the Americans as possible.
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u/AwkwardBet7634 2d ago
This is the line the administration have decided to go with. Heard Lutnick and Leavitt repeat similar. They know it's a mess and I would say are panicking internally.
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u/mag6600 2d ago
He also said although the numbers don’t show it the stock market is doing phenomenal. Wtf does that mean.
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u/RightToTheThighs 2d ago
This is something that sounds smart if you are a full blown irredeemable idiot. These speeches are for the stupid
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u/LordDarthShader 2d ago
This is what it will happen. He will keep the tariffs long enough to bring the prices up. Then, he will claim no tariffs, he will be the savior and the stock market will rally up again. But here is the catch, prices are not going down.
Same thing as Covid and the supply chain issues.
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u/BedRoomBlly 2d ago
Literally mumbles out of his ass about fucking nothing. Everything is so general.
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u/studiesinsilver 2d ago
The patient is bleeding out and on life support, even before the operation.
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u/Opening-Chain3520 2d ago
If his intent was to tank the world economy, then yes it went "very well", and he succeeded.
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u/Ancient_Sun_2061 2d ago
Patient came complaining for sore throat, but doctor amputated limbs
….patient survived, and is healing but likely be crawling for foreseeable future.
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u/DeepestWinterBlue 2d ago
He needs to go through an operation. Then go straight to his Mar a largo retirement home.
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u/Reddituser183 2d ago
At what point does the military just step in and say, “Ok grandpa that’s enough winning for now.” And remove him from power?
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u/DMTraveler33 2d ago
When he says everything is going to go "boom" he isn't referring to upward movement.
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u/Ok-Year-1872 2d ago
Ya same way how sh*t for brains musk has been using a chain to slash and burn the govt.
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u/livinginahologram 2d ago edited 2d ago
This is not just the Dow or just the U.S. Stock Market. We are talking about the entire world being on edge because of executive actions that are generally regarded as not conducive to global economic prosperity.
That's the thing, tariffs are a sort of tax increase and that's up to the legislative branch to decide, not the executive.
There must be experts at the top who should be able to moderate executive actions that are potentially inimical to the nation's economic well being.
Yes, the Representatives of the House and the Senators which are part of the legislative branch, right ? The representatives carry the will of the people they represent...
I think there is separation of powers in the US constitution exactly to prevent this sort of tyranny we are seeing where a small set of people singlehandedly decide very consequential things.
I'm not even in the US and I know this..
If this sort of thing were to happen here in France, it would be the yellow vests all over again, except this time it would mobilize a much larger bulk of the population.
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u/GlitteringChipmunk21 2d ago
If by "operation" we mean, "had it's heart ripped out", then technically it's true.
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u/joysofliving 2d ago
I’d say he needs a lobotomy but probably needs to be filled with lead at this point.
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u/Valianne11111 2d ago
We like the cars, the cars that go boom We’re Tigra and Bunny and we like the boom.
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u/Enjoying_A_Meal 2d ago
What operation did the market just get?
A lobotomy? or a Colostomy?
Either way, we could probably use more leeches.
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u/Is12345aweakpassword 2d ago
A special depression operation, like daddy vladdy it has to be special!
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u/Frankie6Strings 2d ago
We expect the patient to thrive as soon as they adjust to the multiple limbs we removed without asking, said the surgeon.
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u/Itchy-Leg5879 2d ago
Trump lost me as a supporter. Even putting aside the tariff stupidity, a lot of the stuff he is saying is delusional. He said he think we'll sell 10 MILLION golden visas for $5 million each for $50 trillion.
Like what? He's as demented as Biden except for the fact that he can still form sentences.
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u/Mammoth-Substance3 2d ago
"Experts at the top..."
Anyone with any sense has stayed as far away from this administration as possible.
Smart people and experts in their field saw and have the ability to remember what happened to the majority of his staff and worshippers during and after his first term.
They don't want to go to jail, lose their liscencing to work, get killed storming the Capitol, be ostracized from society, etc...
No one is coming to fix this until maga is long gone.
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u/Significant_Law4920 2d ago
So here is the rub inflation is going up due to the tariffs, so the Fed can’t reduce interest rates to stop a recession in the recession is already coming man this patient is super dead.
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u/8belows 2d ago
Everyday there should be articles of impeachment written up and voted on I know none of them will pass but honestly democrats should do what Republicans did with Obamacare it is insane that some of the richest people on the planet can sit here and tell us that everything is going to be okay we're just going to have a little pain is all.
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u/simontempher1 2d ago
It’s going to boom alright, like when place 5lbs of C4 under a wooden bridge.
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u/GrapefruitAgreeable6 2d ago
My thought this morning was this
Dr 1: Patient is doing well and responding to the medicine (Biden Economy)
Patient: I'm feeling much better thanks
Dr 2: Actually you're still really sick and we're going to completely change all the meds and do an operation and then in X time you'll feel better
Patient: Erm...
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u/Remarkable_Judge_861 2d ago
Why would anyone believe anything this bag of puss says? he has being running the same scam his entire life
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u/Byte_hoven 2d ago
Fox news opening segment 4pm news?
Truck Masters USA ... get you CDL before the rush
Ironically good advice.
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u/ParticularLower7558 2d ago
There has to be something in the consultation about gross incompetence. How could our for fathers leave that out.
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u/maringue 2d ago
Haven't you noticed that Trump only operates in vague generalities? First, he literally doesn't know any specifics about anything because he's a moron. But second, it's how authoritarians work.
If you never give specifics, you can gaslight everyone later about it. Also very helpful when you never EVER give specifics about what "success" looks like, because then you can point to any random indicator that looks good for a second and claim "See! It's working!"
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u/myrrorcat 2d ago
Just coming across more and more like a middle manager/figureheard. They should just rename the USA to X and be done with it.
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u/KateLockley 2d ago
There are not, in fact, experts at the top. That's why this go around is so much worse.
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u/Cold_Pumpkin5449 2d ago
We probably didn't need those legs. If anything we had too many organs sloshing about in there.
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u/justsomelizard30 2d ago
Pro-tip: If someone has to explain their policy through metaphor, it's dogshit.
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u/WharfRat2187 2d ago
Ok, let's take your weird analogy at face value, Donald. You took a perfectly healthy individual, theyve never been doing better, and gave them a lobotomy, took a shit in the operating room, and threw it all over place on all our friends. Other than that, it's going great.
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u/Tiny_Measurement_837 2d ago
Here’s what I would like to know: According to the orange menace, tariffs are supposed to level the playing field because the US has been taken advantage of for so long. The stock market crashes and we lose 30 to 50% in our 401(k)s, which will take years to come back. Meanwhile, once these tariffs kick in, average Americans will be paying more as consumers for everything they use—that’s a double whammy. How is this leveling the playing field? Not to mention, the rest of the world now HATES us. Make it make sense.
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u/Individual_Ad_5655 2d ago
If the market falls 50% he'll be successfully impeached.
Congress and Senate will claim they didn't support any of the tariffs, they'll impeach him for starting an unprovoked trade war.
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u/pentultimate 2d ago
"Chatgpt, what analogy can I used to explain destroying the economy with tariffs?" - Trump & co probably.
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u/Needle_In_Hay_Stack 2d ago
Stock falling in last some days, someone is making that money, right?
And I think that was Trump's goal with tariffs & all, to have his "friends/financiers" make some money. Ill thought out tariffs etc. are just a ruse. That's why he's haphazard about it and hammering it repeatedly.
Trump may silently reverse tariffs once his "friends" have made enough.
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u/VisuellTanke 2d ago
"Stock is going to boom." People assume he means like baby boomers Boom. But it's actually a nuke BoOm. Stocks are going to be nuked lol. He basically isn't even lying.
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u/Sn4keVenom 2d ago
Guarantee if it starts to go back up he will claim it’s the boom. He won’t care if it’s 30% down from where it started, up is up and he’ll try to skew it in his favor. And his cult will believe every word
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u/WideZookeepergame686 2d ago
The biggest stock market crashes are always during republican presidencies. Trump has two of the top 5. • 1929 – Great Depression (Hoover): ~90% market loss over time. • 1987 – Black Monday (Reagan): -22.6% in a single day—still the worst ever. • 2008 – Financial Crisis (Bush): ~50% market drop, global economic collapse. • 2020 – COVID Crash (Trump): -2,997 points in one day, multiple record-setting drops. • 2025 – Tariff Crash (Trump): Over -1,600 points in one day—among the largest since 2020.
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u/neoexileee 1d ago
The thing is to do an operation I have to be board certified by the American Board of Surgery.
Trump isn’t certified by any society of Economists
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u/NecrisRO 2d ago
It's not recession It's "special financial operation"
Learned it from his best friend Putin i bet