Drama unfolds on r/NintendoSwitch2 over Trump’s Tariffs

[u/Economy-Platform5740]

Main Thread

Nintendo Switch 2 preorders will not start on April 15th, according to Nintendo

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Comment Thread 1

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"If you voted for him, this is your fault."
(Main OP)

"The impact of tariffs on the Switch 2 launch/price are the least of your worries.
The guy is a literal maniac."
(Comment)

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Comment Thread 2

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"Tariffs are good. Stop making it sound like they aren't. America deserves to get our jobs back."
(Main OP)

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Comment Thread 3

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"This is a political post. Surely that's not allowed here right?"
(Main OP)

"everything is politics you bitch"
(Comment)

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Comment Thread 4

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"Voted for Trump, I’ll gladly pay the tariff increase. My job in manufacturing is already seeing MASSIVE booms in business as everyone is desperately trying to find domestic products opposed to foreign. There will be growing pains but overall it will help many Americans. I also work for a great company who has nearly doubled my starting income in roughly 6 years, and continue to give us cost of living raises every 3-6 months."
(Main OP)

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Comment Thread 5

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"Oh no we can’t buy our video games made by child wage slaves in poor working conditions as soon as we thought 🙄"
(Main OP)

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Comment Thread 6

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"You know what? Good. Everybody else has been taking advantage of us by tariffing American products. If they don’t like that we tariffed them just the same they can stick it."
(Main OP)

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Comment Thread 7

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"Nintendo is not happy with the #droptheprice movement and wants to do damage control by putting out this statement in order to control what the media is writing about in order to drown out the annoyed consumers."
(Main OP)

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Comment Thread 8

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"FAFO moment for all Trump voting Nintendo fans."
(Main OP)

[u/pgtl_10]

Comment thread 4 is lying. I don't believe them.

[u/Chuckles795 → u/pgtl_10]

lol, is that raises every 3-6 months dude? He is for sure a 13 year old.

[u/Barkingpanther → u/Chuckles795]

I’ll give him a minimum of credit and say he’s 19. Bet he misses high school, but only because when he was in high school mom didn’t get on his case to get a job and stop obsessing over his Airsofts or whatever

[u/Akerlof → u/Barkingpanther]

Nah, Russian bot.

[u/HoratioWobble → u/Chuckles795]

lol, is that raises every 3-6 months dude? He is for sure a 13 year old.

Unfortunately he's atleast mullet aged

[u/Rasputin_mad_monk → u/HoratioWobble]

If you look at his post, he works for a small manufacturer that just bought a couple years ago a robot welder. If I had to guess it’s some type of precision parts or instruments. Maybe 30 to 75 employees tops. It’s not some big manufacturing company and what these people don’t understand, and I’m a headhunter who does a lot of work in manufacturing, building these plants, even if Trump was just to completely flush, all regulatory down the toilet, takes at least 3 to 5 years

[u/syneater → u/Rasputin_mad_monk]

I had a similar conversation about just how long it takes to setup and train staff for microchip manufacturing. There’s only so many corners that can be cut and none of them really bring it any closer than 7-8 years of everything goes absolutely correctly.

[u/IntelligentRoof1342 → u/Rasputin_mad_monk]

Also this is besides the point but working as a welder seems brutal on physical and mental health. I wouldn’t want to do that. If all regulation gets flushed that seems even more dangerous

Edit: Im not trying to put down anyone that does this for a living. It is very hard work and more than a respectable career

[u/No_Dragonfruit_8198 → u/IntelligentRoof1342]

Mostly shit hole smaller businesses rejoice at the idea of cutting back those regulations. The big companies I work for go up and beyond regulations and OSHA standards because they know lawsuits cost too much. Billion dollar companies go H.A.M. on their safety standards. A couple dollars in PPE here is millions of dollars saved in lawsuits later.

And to say it again. Shit hole companies. I also work for smaller companies where the owners absolutely don’t want anyone getting hurt either.

[u/progbuck → u/HoratioWobble]

Man has legs like a dachshund.

[u/TurtleNutSupreme → u/HoratioWobble]

Usual suspects

[u/DisasterFartiste_69 → u/HoratioWobble]

wow that is so on the nose it feels like parody

[u/KhonMan → u/HoratioWobble]

Also 6 ft tall and 300 lbs, which gives him a BMI of 40.7. The CDC classifies this as "Severe Obesity"

https://www.cdc.gov/bmi/adult-calculator/index.html

[u/Madilune → u/HoratioWobble]

I always CTRL+F profiles of guys like this and sure enough: he's a Mormon who hates queer people lol.

I can almost guarantee that the whole economy exaggeration stuff is just him wanting to express support for Trump that isn't him being weirdly obsessed with trans women.

[u/hamsterbackpack → u/HoratioWobble]

I’ve never been less surprised by anything in my entire life 

[u/LastTangoOfDemocracy → u/HoratioWobble]

Mullet supremacist.

What a cock.

[u/AmberDuke05 → u/Chuckles795]

Bro said cost of living adjustment. COLA only happens once a year.

[u/jrobertson2 → u/AmberDuke05]

He also claims to work for a "very conservative, very pro America ceo." I feel like this descriptor is at odds with the described level of generosity towards his employees being claimed.

[u/beejalton → u/jrobertson2]

Especially one in manufacturing.

[u/Pankosmanko → u/AmberDuke05]

And it’s usually like 2-3%

[u/smallangrynerd → u/AmberDuke05]

Once a year if you’re lucky

[u/SomeSpiders → u/AmberDuke05]

Mine happen quarterly, but I've got a good union job.

[u/AmberDuke05 → u/SomeSpiders]

That’s actually awesome. I wonder what the guy above feels about unions.

[u/SomeSpiders → u/AmberDuke05]

There is a decent percentage of union members that hate unions. People will always be people.

[u/KARMAKAZE-100 → u/Chuckles795]

It doesn't matter if it is real or not, because either way it's not true for most people. You could make an equally relevant point that it doesn't matter because you have millions in the bank. Like great for you but that isn't true for most people, and we should be looking at the average American

[u/Active_Match2088 → u/pgtl_10]

Looked through his post history, he does look over the age of 20 but that mullet ages him. He seems like some dumb Midwest jackass that got a trade job and thinks everything is great until it won't be, and then he'll blame an immigrant or a Black person.

[u/pgtl_10 → u/Active_Match2088]

He also frequents a subreddit for 3D printing of guns.

[u/Active_Match2088 → u/pgtl_10]

He's one of those idiots who won't learn a damn thing, sadly.

[u/Hurtzdonut13 → u/Active_Match2088]

Yeah looking into it, and I'd bet his "70% raise" was probably going from a welding trainee to a journeyman or some similar promotion.

I'm guessing within 6 months he'll be laid off.

[u/DancesWithCybermen → u/Hurtzdonut13]

Or it was simply a lie.

[u/Hurtzdonut13 → u/DancesWithCybermen]

I did some research, and a trainee is making around 18 to 20 an hour. Once you make it to a level where they can leave you alone to work and trust your work you'll be making between 33 to 36 depending on your area, if you can trust my 2 minutes of Google searching.

He has a long post history and definitely corroborates all the above.

I'll grant you though that the lie is that it was just a raise, when it was really (most likely) a pay increase from a promotion.

[u/Hazellin313 → u/pgtl_10]

Agreed I was waiting for a... and then everybody stood up and clapped moment

[u/juanjing → u/Hazellin313]

Joke's on you... his America-first boss saw your liberal comment and gave him like, 5, maybe 6 more raises, just to own the libs.

[u/pgtl_10 → u/Hazellin313]

"We only buy domestic steel because it's better!"

Sure you do.

[u/Bored_Amalgamation → u/pgtl_10]

they're lying, but there are some industries that require strictly regulated steel quality.

[u/pgtl_10 → u/Bored_Amalgamation]

Definitely but I doubt that person is telling the truth that only US steel meets that standard.

[u/Arthali → u/Bored_Amalgamation]

Someone down the thread from him also added that even US sourced stainless steel doesn't happen without chromium, and surprise, most chromium is imported from China. So since the guy says he welds aluminum and stainless steel he doesn't understand he's fucked as soon as he runs out of material.

[u/Bored_Amalgamation → u/Arthali]

the block on trade from medium and heavy REM from China is going to fuck everyone as well.

[u/PossessedToSkate → u/Bored_Amalgamation]

I was living in the Bay Area when they were replacing the Bay Bridge and there was a rather famous incident where CalTrans had to send a steel shipment back & forth to China three times before they got it right, and that was still cheaper than American steel.

[u/PunctualDromedary → u/Bored_Amalgamation]

Those industries would never use American steel. The sad fact is that US steel manufacturers have neglected R&D and modernization and other countries have outpaced us in steel quality. I do high end manufacturing and we would never use US steel or aluminum. We'd have to redesign our products to be uglier.

[u/Bored_Amalgamation → u/Hazellin313]

They came to me, tears in their eyes, and they said "sir, i know you're a Hard Worker^TM , so here's more money."

[u/TASTY_TASTY_WAFFLES → u/Bored_Amalgamation]

right out of a dhar mann script

[u/Just-Ad6865 → u/pgtl_10]

Even if they were telling the truth, most of those good times happened under Biden. What the hell is he voting Trump for?

[u/ghoonrhed → u/Just-Ad6865]

Exactly. He even brags about this:

Since 2020, I have had a nearly 70% raise.

[u/-JimmyTheHand- → u/pgtl_10]

What you don't find "no country in the world makes good enough Steel for us" to be convincing lol

[u/Elegant_Plate6640 → u/pgtl_10]

Since 2016, any time there’s been serious discussion about Trump’s impact on the economy, there is at least always one “my portfolio/bank account is looking great” comment. 

And maybe, just maybe that’s true for some, but I’m a bit weary to believe that out of someone who also posts in multiple Pokémon subs. 

[u/pgtl_10 → u/Elegant_Plate6640]

Worse he posts in a COD sub.

[u/Fraywind → u/Elegant_Plate6640]

His portfolio is all vintage pokemon cards and he will be laffinatchu when he cashes that in.

[u/EEpromChip → u/pgtl_10]

I bet as soon as you start asking questions it all breaks down...

"What do you manufacture?"

"ummm aluminum widgets"

"...and where do you get the aluminum?"

"Ummmmmm the aluminum store?"

"Not from overseas?"

"Shut up. They're good!"

[u/Clinggdiggy2 → u/EEpromChip]

I work at an aluminum rolling mill in WA state, I can tell you first hand even domestic producers are getting hit hard. We went from 4 years of "we cannot produce as much as we can sell, open overtime as much as you want to work" to "all overtime is cut off, we're cutting $13m from the maintenance budget, we're 3 months hand-to-mouth for orders" all in the span of a month.

[u/Tiny_Leopard9084 → u/pgtl_10]

I work for a massive electrical distribution company that starts with Eat and ends with On and let me tell you, as someone who works every day with my plants purchasing team - the tariffs are fucking sucking for us.

[u/Traditional_Bottle78 → u/pgtl_10]

Seriously. I'm in manufacturing, and we're having to raise all our prices by a lot because our raw materials just aren't produced here, at least at scale. So as soon as our current contracts are completed, I expect to start seeing layoffs as our clients put a pause on their brand expansions/remodels or significantly cut them back in scope.

[u/Leelze → u/pgtl_10]

Oh yeah, they're 1000% making all that up.

[u/WorkingAssociate9860 → u/pgtl_10]

Hey he does "custom welding" using only the best American made steel.

[u/Tashre → u/pgtl_10]

If they went from $10/hr to 20 over 6 years, and if they've got a low level view of the surge in business in the manufacturing and manufacturing adjacent industry and companies try and lock in prices and do the equivalent of stocking up on bananas and toilet paper before the true shitstorm hits, then they wouldn't necessarily be lying, just woefully ignorant.

[u/Qwearman → u/pgtl_10]

I recall a slapdash interview video of people going thru the 2016 economic downturn. One guy was happy about it.

What was his job? He worked in loan collections

[u/Bored_Amalgamation → u/pgtl_10]

no one doubles their salary at the same company over 6 years besides C-suites. ESPECIALLY with 3 of those years being COVID mode.

edit: OK OK I get it. You CAN double your salary in 5 years. Holy shit.

[u/Indercarnive → u/Bored_Amalgamation]

Plot twist. His first year was an unpaid internship.

[u/TheGalator → u/Bored_Amalgamation]

Depends some COMPANYs have ABYSMAL starting wages

[u/TestFixation → u/TheGalator]

I doubled my salary in 5 years. But I started 30k lmao

[u/cimahel → u/pgtl_10]

even if we pretend it was true biden was president most of those six years. but also are you telling me your salary went up at start of the pandemic? press x to doubt.

[u/Economy-Platform5740]

Nothing like scrolling through “keep politics out of video games” users and then seeing them full-on defending Trump’s tariffs.

[u/Defiant_Quail5766 → u/Economy-Platform5740]

"Keep progressive politics out of video games"

[u/rabidstoat → u/Defiant_Quail5766]

I heard that for any switch sports games, the only players in the game are transgender women.

[u/Defiant_Quail5766 → u/rabidstoat]

Oh thank god I was worried the mii replacements were cis

[u/smallangrynerd → u/Defiant_Quail5766]

By “politics” they mean “minorities”

[u/BongWaterRamen → u/Economy-Platform5740]

I saw the same in r/cedarpoint (amusement park). The same ppl whining about a political post were also accusing others of having TDS. Buncha clowns

[u/[deleted] → u/BongWaterRamen]

Guys is it deranged to talk about the current president of the country I live in?

[u/jrobertson2 → u/[deleted]]

No, only to speak ill of him. Sanity is defined as unconditional adoration of Trump.

[u/YouJabroni44 → u/jrobertson2]

Its totally sane to fall on my knees and bow down to a shrine of the man in my closet

[u/SenorSplashdamage → u/[deleted]]

So were the founding fathers just suffering from King George Derrangement Syndrome?

[u/sickduck69 → u/BongWaterRamen]

Are there tariffs on Cedar Point? I know it's sort of close to Canada but that's a little too much.

[u/sturgboski → u/Economy-Platform5740]

Its interesting because the day of the announcement, there were a lot of folks criticizing the price and then talking about how that is probably going to be worse after the tariffs. Guess the MAGA chud gamers then ran in there to defend the orange calf?

[u/Rider434 → u/Economy-Platform5740]

Dude that sub got the r/TLOU2 treatment after nintendos conference. It just completely turned against Nintendo in an instant. Everyone over at r/nintendoswitch is being much more sane about everything.

[u/Deceptiveideas]

I love the complaints about talking about politics in video game subs even when it’s directly related to politics.

[u/MyLittlePoofy → u/Deceptiveideas]

I need a safe space where I’m not reminded of the consequences of my vote.

[u/TabularBeastv2 → u/MyLittlePoofy]

Conservatives are the biggest snowflakes.

[u/DisasterFartiste_69 → u/TabularBeastv2]

I still lol at how upset they got over thinking Biden called them garbage...like wow some words hurt you that bad?

Call me when you've been threatened with violence to your face like a lot of us have after going to protests. They would shit their pants if they had a gun pulled on them....they would sue the police if they got pepper sprayed.

the most delicate fucking snowflakes this side of the atlantic

[u/TabularBeastv2 → u/DisasterFartiste_69]

They have no issue using slurs and other pejoratives against those they perceive as the “out-group,” but then clutch their pearls as soon as they are called a bigot or asshole as a consequence.

They use “safe spaces” as a means to insult people, but then cry and bitch that Reddit is “a leftist hellscape” and then hide away in their own safe space that is r/conservative, where they limit free speech to keep them safe from facts and opposing opinions.

They are just hypocritical snowflakes who are filled with hate.

[u/vigilantfox85 → u/Deceptiveideas]

As is most conservative bs it’s only ok if it’s their politics. They’ll shoe horn their bs into everything until it’s something they don’t like then it’s “keep politics out!” And woke liberal bots.

[u/Persistent_Parkie → u/vigilantfox85]

Woke ruins games! They made a female character's boobs smaller! Feminism is out of control!

( tariffs raise the cost of gaming )

Politics has no business in a gaming sub!

[u/DisasterFartiste_69 → u/Persistent_Parkie]

"this female game character doesnt make my pee pee tingle...WOKISM!!!!"

[u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

MASSIVE booms in business as everyone is desperately trying to find domestic products opposed to foreign

God I do find the people who just ignore actual reality amusing lol

“No the economy isn’t in the shitter, and everyone doesn’t hate us”

Is presented with actual facts

“Can’t hear you”

[u/FroggyHarley → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

Also lmao these people who think domestic producers aren't gonna jack up prices too since they don't have as much competition now.

[u/jayforwork21 → u/FroggyHarley]

Also lmao these people who think domestic producers aren't gonna jack up prices too since they don't have as much competition now.

Or that they have to make up for their products not being exported due to the retaliatory tariffs and general hatred of the US right now.

[u/rainbowcarpincho → u/jayforwork21]

Or that they have to account for any increase in costs along their supply chain.

[u/VicentRS → u/rainbowcarpincho]

this is something that the people that parrot "just buy american" doesn't seem to understand. America doesn't produce all the materials that their manufacturers use...

[u/EEpromChip → u/VicentRS]

Someone posted a video this morning that explained it perfectly.

"Restaurants don't grow everything in house. They couldn't. They get materials from other places and assemble into meals. This is how the US works because all those materials went overseas 30 years ago and never returned."

[u/teefnoteef → u/EEpromChip]

Worst is they are blaming other countries for taking American jobs instead of greedy capitalists maxing profits

[u/geirmundtheshifty → u/rainbowcarpincho]

Yeah, they're acting like the tariffs are only for finished goods or something, but they are mostly blanket tariffs from what I can tell. So unless your entire supply chain is domestic (very unlikely), then the tariffs will increase costs.

[u/Flexhead → u/jayforwork21]

US manufacturers raised the price of washing machines when Trump tariffed foreign ones in his first term due to supply constraints.

[u/MrGulio → u/FroggyHarley]

Every single one of them was full throat screaming about how they couldn't afford groceries under Biden but are now telling people they don't deserve consumer goods. These people are broken.

[u/dopef123 → u/MrGulio]

Vote for Trump because eggs are too expensive. Stick with Trump as he bankrupts the planet. Makes a lot of sense.

[u/Skellum → u/FroggyHarley]

Also lmao these people who think domestic producers aren't gonna jack up prices too since they don't have as much competition now.

Oh Vietnamese prices are up 31.5%? Time to raise prices 31.4%

[u/Talisa87 → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

Why argue tariffs with morons who believe 'DEI' causes aeroplane crashes and that vitamin A cures measles?

[u/CuckooClockInHell → u/Talisa87]

vitamin A cures measles

Nah. You gotta inject the bleach to get rid of the Trump Bumps.

[u/Beelzebulbasaur → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

some other fun ones you'll see on twitter:

"you don't actually need a Switch 2 anyway"

and my personal favorite

"they announced a fake price at the Direct to drum up interest and they're using tariffs as an excuse to unveil the real price which was always planned to be higher"

i know it's been said a lot that these people are living in another dimension but they keep charging ahead further and further across the multiverse

[u/ElceeCiv → u/Beelzebulbasaur]

conservatives for the past 5 years: "The GLOBALISTS and Klaus Schwab want you to own nothing and be happy!"

conservatives the past 2 days "You will own nothing and be happy!"

[u/Serious_Yard4262 → u/ElceeCiv]

You're forgetting a very important part, they get to hate anyone that isn't exactly like them loudly and proudly while owning nothing.

[u/AlphaGoldblum → u/ElceeCiv]

A conservative I work with straight out said "this is exactly what I voted for".

Sure, buddy, it's not like you were riled up about the WEF just a year ago and trying to convince us that Klaus Schwab wanted us poor and eating bugs lol.

[u/_entropic → u/Beelzebulbasaur]

They definitely did not plan to up the price further than it was unveiled at.  The price increase they announced, along with news of paid upgrades for switch 1 games (offered for free on the other consoles) and an increase in their flagship games prices were already going to make a backlash.  They wanted the bitter pill swallowed at once to get the backlash out the way over the next couple months, not reignite bad will the night the console went on sale.  

[u/yaypal → u/Beelzebulbasaur]

The whole fake price angle only works when you ignore that other countries haven't stopped preorder registration and thus likely aren't increasing their prices. Ignoring inconvenient facts is kinda their thing though.

[u/Noritzu → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

Should follow that guys account and look for the “I lost my job” posts in 6 months or sooner.

[u/Lonely_Farmer635 → u/Noritzu]

Funny of you to think he even has a job and isn't just making shit up

[u/Noritzu → u/Lonely_Farmer635]

A more likely take than my own, I admit.

[u/drivensalt → u/Lonely_Farmer635]

quarterly cost of living adjustments? lolololololololol

[u/akrisd0 → u/Noritzu]

6 months? Wow, in it for the long haul, I see.

[u/chaotic4059 → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

Gotta love the guy who commented “Bernie would’ve implemented tariffs too!!!” As if Sanders hasn’t been screaming about how fucking stupid large scale sweeping tariffs are and how stupid anyone would be to implement them ever since the dipshit took office.

[u/Criseyde5 → u/chaotic4059]

Bernie definitely falls onto the protectionist side of the economic populism question, but "implementing tariffs" is very different from "largest increase in tariffs in 100 years." Like, Bernie had some bad opinions on tariffs and immigration, but Trump is basically trying to reinvent mercantilism from scratch.

[u/chaotic4059 → u/Criseyde5]

Yea I’m thinking my comment might’ve been misunderstood. I was more referring to him being against the large sweeping tariffs that trump has implemented. Not him saying that all of them are bad

[u/gorgewall → u/Criseyde5]

Tariffs work well when you're trying to protect little dink-ass niche industries that are important to some relatively isolated geographic area. Like, if you have a New England town that creates artisinal scrimshaw clocks, you tariff "artisinal clocks": the country as a whole doesn't buy enough of those from overseas to fuck anyone, so the domestic demand trends towards your domestic supplier of artisinal scrimshaw clocks and those jobs don't evaporate due to cheaper overseas production.

But when you're talking about fucking steel and implement tariffs across the board on steel (and not specific grades of it), you are messing with the production and sale of anything made of steel in the country: cars, HVAC, home appliances and kitchenware, industrial equipment, both new construction and home repair, civil infrastructure (electrical and sewer), and many more. Prices rise so much that demand drops, and when demand drops, domestic producers aren't saying "well maybe we ought to open some new mills".

Even when you can wrangle someone to want to open a mill, that takes years and many millions or even billions of dollars. You fuck the economy for five years or more so that, one decade later, you might have cheaper and domestically-secure steel production? Assuming you also have domestic supply of the minerals to make the steel in the first place (say, you also aren't importing tons of the ore that goes into that steel)? Cool.

Hey, know what would've been way better and not fucked the consumer? Federal spending on the construction of a new mill. I don't know who still needs to hear it, but the government is very capable of "doing business" itself, even at a profit if that's your big requirement, and has done so historically many times. In fact, a lot of the companies we expect to be creating the new domestic production in the wake of tariffs only exist in their current fucking form because of massive federal expenditures to create or subsidize their operation in the first place! The government is already spending money on this shit in a lot of cases, it's just going to CEOs and yachts and a handful of wealthy shareholders instead of fucking you, a taxpayer and shareholder of the country.

And that's what initiatives like the CHIPS Act were meant to do. "Hey, it'd be great if we had more semiconductor manufacturing in the US. Let's spend money to build it." Golly, why didn't Biden just tariff semiconductors from Taiwan at 300% and let tHe FrEe MaRkEt solve it?

[u/GeneracisWhack → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

I am in manufacturing and this is a lie. Guy is probably a right wing troll. These tariffs hurt manufacturers more than a lot of other businesses like tech for example.

[u/HillarysFloppyChode → u/GeneracisWhack]

As much as I want to believe that, most MAGAs are genuinely this stupid and are bewildered that no one thinks the same way they do

[u/Thebazilly → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

I have definitely seen clients cancelling work due to tarriffs.

[u/cjcfman → u/Thebazilly]

I know some people in the industry, companies have been looking to move their factories from Vietnam to Mexico now. Not to the us lol

[u/Y0___0Y → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

If there are American companies that manufacture what they make completely in America, with no parts or materials or food ingredients from any foreign countries, and their entire customer base is only Americans, then yes, they’ll be fine, and could benefit from this.

Are there even companies like that?

Any company that was operating like that before this trade war probably had incredibly expensive products. All these companies that have a “made in America” sticker on their products surely used materials shipped from overseas. What would be the point of sourcing all your materials in America? You can say “made in America” either way.

[u/Tuningislife → u/Y0___0Y]

So. Fun fact. The majority of “American Made” cars and trucks according to Cars.com are actually from Japanese companies. I don’t think people realize this. It’s the “Toyota Way”.

For example with pickup trucks:

The Jeep Gladiator ranks 8th. The Ram 1500 ranks 19th. The Chevy Colorado ranks 23rd. The Ford F-150 ranks 58th.

The Honda Ridgeline is 6th. The Toyota Tundra is 20th. That makes them more “American Made” than Ford and Chevy.

Interestingly enough, the most “American Made” vehicle is the Tesla Model Y.

https://www.cars.com/articles/2024-cars-com-american-made-index-which-cars-are-the-most-american-484903/

[u/Sckathian → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

What am enjoying as well is Nintendo is a clear example of why open trade is mutually beneficial. There's little evidence the US is just going to create that IP domestically.

[u/firebolt_wt → u/Sckathian]

More like they literally can't, chronologically.

Nintendo has generational IPs that are older than some millennials, and even if someone starts a Nintendo "competitor" now, its age would mean it wouldn't be a real competitor until everyone who grew up with Nintendo fucking dies.

[u/Numerous_Photograph9 → u/Sckathian]

Even if they could, it's not like a ramping up chip and electronics production is a quick and easy thing. Biden was working on it with the CHIP's act, and it required a lot of investment and grants/subsidies to even start the process rolling so we'd have something in 3-6 years. Of course, despite all the talk of wanting to bring jobs here, Trump is back-peddling on some of those grants.

[u/Skellum → u/Sckathian]

There's little evidence the US is just going to create that IP domestically.

If someone can trick Trump into making EOs to invalidate copyright law I would find that god damned hilarious. The speed at which disney would drop lawsuits and the panic of the GoP would be incredible.

[u/HillarysFloppyChode → u/Skellum]

You wouldn’t have to try all that hard, he doesn’t read anything he signs.

You could probably put an EO in front of him declaring Hillary Clinton as president, Elon musk a trans woman nulloplasty (its removes the genitals, basically making him a barbie doll with the body of a cybertruck), and JD legally marred to a couch, and he would sign it and show it off.

Actually someone should actually do that.

[u/OnsetOfMSet → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

The only sort of "manufacturing job" I can imagine this being remotely true is some small scale, hole-in-the-wall machine shop; it's not like any of the American automotive behemoths can just flip a switch and poof! all their assembly plants in Mexico are magically back in Detroit overnight. Even in the former case, there's going to be an increase in expenses to source material somewhere upstream that gets passed along.

Edit: For the record, the US is currently the #9 producer of iron ores at a hair under 2% of global production, #5 producer of copper ores at ~5% of global prodcution as of 2023, and is not a significant producer of bauxite (aluminum). There are lots of more generally interesting stats, like being a net importer of iron ore but net exporter of steel, although about 20% of the steel used is imported. All in all, I think 5 minutes of google searches was more rigorous research than certain other parties did.

[u/Wes_Anderson_Cooper → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

During the 2024 admin Democrats were arguing the economy was good based on solid, measurable statistics like employment rates, easing inflation and continued GDP growth. Republicans' favorite response was "yeah but doesn't the economy feel like it's not great?"

Now it's 2025 and the market is cratering, GDP expectations for next quarter are negative, every economist (hell, even Ted Fucking Cruz) is saying these tariffs are going to hurt us. And Republicans' go to response is "yeah but doesn't it feel like we're winning?"

[u/Dragonwulf → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

So you have had conversations with my mom?

[u/-JimmyTheHand- → u/Dragonwulf]

I wouldn't call what we had conversations but yeah

[u/PhantomDelorean → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

I think Trump has shifted to he broke it on purpose 

[u/rabidstoat → u/PhantomDelorean]

4D tiddlywinks again. Sigh.

[u/sturgboski → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

So this reminds me of Republicans and the like campaigning on bringing coal jobs back. I remember watching interviews with coal miners/former coal miners and the general sentiment was "my job wasnt really replaced by regulation, it was because companies can either pay a dozen or so salaries to strip mine a mountain OR they can buy machinery and pay one person's salary to do the same in less time." I mean its the same shit with AI: why do you think companies are pushing for it? Is it because it is going to bring back jobs or make jobs easier? No, the ultimate goal is to replace people with technology to lower costs and increase shareholder value.

Let us assume that firms can react at lightning speed and start up a factory by May. Do you think that is going to be fully staffed with all the folks who lost their jobs due to offshoring? I highly doubt it. Which, I think more and more outlets of been stating just that: manufacturing might come back, but not manufacturing jobs. Further, lets say we start making everything here to avoid tariffs, its all supply and demand. If folks are willing to buy something at $150 due to the tariffs, what incentive do I have to sell that product for less than $150 UNLESS competitors drop the price. I am going to keep it at $150 and pocket the extra profit, just like companies have during post pandemic. In fact, this feels like the admin saw companies getting rich by not reducing prices post COVID, even when they could, and said "hey lets do that for the whole country, just jack up all the prices so that CEOs and Billionaires can be that much richer."

Again though, that assumes companies onshore things which is a large capex project to do, takes years, and what incentive do you have with the US government the way it is? I mean Trump signed that trade deal during his first term and then wiped his ass with it the second term, then you have the back and forth on if tariffs are going to be a thing, and just the fundamental hope and belief that when he is gone there will a be a shift back to normalcy (although Trump, his MAGA cult, this admin have done irreparable damage to this country so who knows).

[u/PunctualDromedary → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

I work in the finance side of manufacturing. There's no way we can pass the entire tariff onto our customers. We're projecting a 50% hit in net income because of the tariffs. He's either lying or has no clue what he's talking about.

Maybe the purely vertically integrated companies will benefit, but there's not a whole lot of those and they're pretty niche and can't scale.

[u/_entropic → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

I find it hard to believe his statement.  Even if it were true, the reality for most manufacturers is that they import the raw materials they need and are getting hosed on that end.  

His claim that his company pays generously and gives COLA increases every 3-6 months is suspect with the claim that at home manufacturing has been struggling for viability due to the tariffs. 

For as good as he claims he has it, clearly his company does not offer any kind of retirement program, or else he’d be more concerned like the majority of America that his 401k has been gutted.  Even if manufacturing jobs were to make a comeback, where are people getting the money to retire now?  Pensions certainly aren’t going to come back.  

[u/JohnPaulJonesSoda → u/Hyperbolicalpaca]

What's the domestic product equivalent of a Switch 2 anyway? The ol' cup and ball?

[u/AnAbandonedAstronaut → u/JohnPaulJonesSoda]

School shootings.

They sell the controllers at Walmart.

[u/Outlulz]

"Tariffs are good. Stop making it sound like they aren't. America deserves to get our jobs back."

Yes Americans deserve to get their jobs back building a Japanese console from a Japanese company.

[u/vigilantfox85 → u/Outlulz]

I love how all these people, and I mean across the board, thinks all these jobs and industries are going to pop up overnight. That have to believe they will while they clutch their trumpy bear rocking themselves to sleep at night praying their delicate reality they built themselves doesn’t crumble to the fucking ground.

[u/molluskus → u/vigilantfox85]

They're not even good jobs, either. The world doesn't value a ball bearing machine operator more than someone with an email job, point blank, period; the price of labor reveals this. They can think the email job is fake for spurious cultural reasons all they want, but that doesn't mean that Americans are going to casually accept $9/hr stamping sheet metal.

These people want everyone doing bullshit factory jobs in Ohio because we've been told this falsehood that the only thing stopping "good manufacturing jobs" coming back is that we're not a bad enough partner to the rest of the world.

[u/lowercaselemming → u/molluskus]

this is something i feel a lot of people keep dancing around. who even wants these jobs? why do companies keep getting these jobs overseas? why do these jobs usually have those giant, fancy nets all around the building?

[u/atfricks → u/lowercaselemming]

The US can't even fill those kinds of jobs that already exist. That's the whole reason migrant workers are imported in the first place.

[u/mtheory11 → u/vigilantfox85]

Not to mention that the vast amounts of materials (needed by these imaginary popups to manufacture domestic tech) would have to be…. Imported…

[u/I_Am_Dwight_Snoot → u/mtheory11]

And due to the fact that none of these people work these low paying as is, we will need import the workers as well...or use robots.

[u/St_Sides → u/Outlulz]

I find it hilarious when people try to say that it's to return manufacturing back to America when it's far easier, faster, and cheaper for them to continue manufacturing their products abroad and pass the tariff price down to the consumer.

They need to get a grip, the golden age of American manufacturing is long gone.

[u/Elegant_Plate6640 → u/St_Sides]

Biden was able to grow some sectors like solar and chip manufacturing, but they seem to be unaware that his admin put HUGE investments into those fields and that the results even benefitted districts that outright hate him. Marjorie Taylor Green’s district is huge on solar manufacturing.

Trump is too petty and impatient to for those gains. 

[u/cincymatt → u/Elegant_Plate6640]

And Trump has sworn to kill the Chips act.

[u/givemethebat1 → u/Outlulz]

Global trade is too integrated now for tariffs to work. There just isn’t any country on earth that can provide everything its people needs given modern expectations around devices, computers, etc. And why should it? People actually like globalism, they enjoy cultural exchanges, and generally it’s a mutually beneficial arrangement. Other countries benefit from US tech products just as the US gets benefits from manufacturing hardware in other countries.

[u/Ill-Description8517 → u/Outlulz]

Yeah, for far too long small, impoverished African countries have controlled the export of diamonds. Finally American diamond mines can control the industry!

Wait, you're telling me that a trade imbalance exists on diamonds because we don't have diamond mines in the USA?!? Clearly this is some kind of anti-American plot (/s)

[u/Val_Hallen → u/Outlulz]

Hey, go easy on them. They never had an original thought in their life. It's hard parroting cult mantras while reality is stomping on your balls

[u/Zebra4776 → u/Outlulz]

Not to mention the already low unemployment rates. Plus they're deporting people and making it more difficult to immigrate which lowers the amount of workers to fill the jobs.

[u/venusthrow1]

Dude I love this line

"everything is politics you bitch"

[u/Tiger5913 → u/venusthrow1]

My new flair!

[u/MundaneInternetGuy → u/venusthrow1]

New tattoo idea. Or at least a t shirt

[u/bayonettaisonsteam]

Your gamers were so preoccupied with keeping politics out of video games, they didn't stop to keep video games out of politics

[u/MisterTheKid]

“everyone is taking advantage of us”

it’s one thing to not know for tariffs work it’s another thing to repeat this white house talking point

small nations protecting specific domestically important industries isn’t “taking advantage” of anything.

[u/FawkYourself → u/MisterTheKid]

They just parrot whatever he says

[u/beanlikescoffee → u/MisterTheKid]

It’s absolutely mind boggling how brainwashed they are. Every one of them on r/conservative thinks America has been bullied and now were finally sticking up for ourselves.

Unbelievable gaslighting.

[u/purple_rooms → u/beanlikescoffee]

Simultaneously strong and yet weak

What does that remind me of?

[u/poodleenthusiast28]

Maybe if Mario wore a suit this wouldn’t have happened.

[u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes → u/poodleenthusiast28]

Maybe Mario says thank you at the end of his games, I don't know, I don't want to know.

But if he said thank you every time we turned it on then we're getting somewhere!

[u/HighOverlordXenu]

America tries the whole tariff thing every hundred years or so. We've done it twice before.

Both times it resulted in a depression and out-of-control inflation.

But sure I'm sure it's gonna make us all rich this time.

[u/Chuckolator → u/HighOverlordXenu]

You don't understand. If bad things happen, they're just ripple effects from something Biden did.

[u/sturgboski → u/Chuckolator]

You jest, but I swear I have seen this admin and MAGA talking heads stating just that. Which is odd. I mean Trump stated the stock market soared when they announced he won the election, that it was all because of him. But him firing all these federal works and instituting tariffs and the stock market collapsing isnt his fault and is really the Biden economy he inherited.

[u/uluqat → u/HighOverlordXenu]

Oh look, Trump's legacy is already requiring revisions in articles about the Great Depression:

"Protectionism, such as the American Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act, is often indicated as a cause of the Great Depression, with countries enacting protectionist policies yielding a beggar thy neighbor result."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Great_Depression#Protectionism

"Excluding duty-free imports, the tariffs imposed by the [Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act] raised the existing import duties by an average of 20%, to the third highest levels in U.S. history, after the tariffs announced by President Donald Trump in 2025 and the Tariff of 1828."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoot%E2%80%93Hawley_Tariff_Act

[u/Muffin_Appropriate → u/HighOverlordXenu]

Just a coincidence it coincides with 1 human generation

[u/Bawstahn123]

My job in manufacturing is already seeing MASSIVE booms in business as everyone is desperately trying to find domestic products opposed to foreign

Lol, what a fucking liar.

Companies, corporations and industries fucking country wide are panicking. Full-on batten-down-the-hatches prepper-mode.

The stock market crashed harder today than it did on 9/11, and part of the physical traders-space of the stock market was in the goddamn towers.

Trump is officially worse for the American economy than a fucking terror attack.

[u/EARink0]

reeee keep politics out of my games reeeeeeeeeee

Politics affect everything, dumbasses, this is what happens when you ignore that and don't vote.

[u/TheFrenchiestToast]

everything is politics you bitch kinda goes hard

[u/hoagieclu]

is it crazy for me to think that a large majority of the “we need to bring the manufacturing jobs back” crowd probably has little to no interest in actually working in a factory themselves?

[u/Motheroftides → u/hoagieclu]

Not really. Those same people probably don’t even know what actually is typically manufactured in the US either.

[u/fipseqw]

GAMERS must be getting tired of so much winning.

[u/Rejestered → u/fipseqw]

First they came for the ethics in games journalism and I said nothing...

[u/Elegant_Plate6640 → u/Rejestered]

Nah man, I laughed at them then too. 

[u/Skabomb]

Man, all those people trying to "save" gaming with their anti-woke and anti-DEI and Sweet Baby Inc BS just killed gaming.

That's hilarious.

[u/rinkoplzcomehome → u/Skabomb]

It's really funny. PlayStation? Japanese, so tariffs you go. Nintendo? Japanese, so tariffs you go. Xbox? They insist Microsoft gave up, so it doesn't exist to them. PC? Most components are made outside the US, so tariffs you go.

[u/Rejestered → u/rinkoplzcomehome]

I'm 99% sure xbox systems are not made in the US, so they still get tariffs.

[u/FawkYourself → u/Rejestered]

Nothing is made entirely in the U.S., there is shit that will cross the border multiple times in the manufacturing process

That’s why this idea that we can go back to American isolationism is fucking dangerously stupid, global trade is an intricate web that touches every aspect of our economy

[u/CleanlyManager → u/FawkYourself]

We live in an amazing world where almost every country has decided to share their resources, and human capitol in order to create powerful computers, space ships, cars, bullet trains and stores filled with hundreds of varieties of hundreds of products, and because the nations of the world decided to do what they do best at or use the materials they produce the best we’ve been able to make many of these innovations cheaper than anytime in history. On top of that no country seemed to benefit more than America did, as we became the richest nation on the planet, all it cost us was factory jobs.

Instead we said fuck that we’d rather have the sweatshops.

[u/Skabomb → u/rinkoplzcomehome]

Some subs that were all in on it are acting like they weren’t.

Pcmasterrace is a solid example.

Amazing how losing money makes people “woke”.

[u/oath2order → u/Skabomb]

Amazing how losing money makes people “woke”.

Go broke, go woke?

[u/Exnixon]

Nintendo doesn't employ child wage slaves to make their video games, that's Roblox.

[u/insertusernamehere51 → u/Exnixon]

Everybody knows Nintendo consoles are manufactured by enslaved Pikmin

[u/PhantomDelorean]

God this universe is stupid. 

Now I can’t even play the new Mario kart to escape the constant news of our rights corroding and democracy falling apart.

Like having someone burn your house down and then come back to make sure they destroy the paperback you were reading. 

[u/Ill-Description8517 → u/PhantomDelorean]

I know, I generally don't jump on a new system immediately, but I was thinking I'd probably actually do a system preorder this time, because at least I can play Mario kart and hit people who annoy me with shells while the world burns

[u/askylitfall → u/PhantomDelorean]

These dumb motherfuckers in power forgot about bread and circuses.

You need to make sure the people have food and entertainment to prevent them from revolting.

Egg prices are sky high and tech's about to be unaffordable.

[u/BackBae]

Finally, I’ve found my flair.

[u/cjcfman]

If you think this is a shitshow, wait till they ban and criminalize porn like they said they would in project 2025

[u/Faptainjack2 → u/cjcfman]

Porn requires an ID in multiple states now. VPN services are making a killing.

[u/Responsible-Home-100]

Everybody else has been taking advantage of us by tariffing American products.

They literally fucking haven't, but you'd have to be at least capable of 3rd grade reading to figure that out, so no surprise Trump supporters can't figure it out.

[u/tswiftdeepcuts]

i’m begging people to learn the difference between a trade deficit and a tariff and quit saying other countries are charging us simply because we have trade deficits with them.

[u/pgtl_10 → u/tswiftdeepcuts]

You mean Lesotho doesn't charge us 97% in tariffs?

[u/Gingevere]

My job in manufacturing is already seeing MASSIVE booms in business as everyone is desperately trying to find domestic products opposed to foreign.

Assembly at my workplace has had nothing but record breaking month after month since don "mr. tariffs" trump was elected.

But because I'm in the office I know that's only because of customers scrambling to move orders up the schedule. Those weren't new customers. We're just stealing orders from the rest of the year. From this point on out the production schedule is a wasteland.

Transit across the pacific usually takes our goods 8 weeks from port to port. Goods that we shipped 7 weeks ago are going to get hit by this. None of that had any way of being priced in.

[u/WhereIsTheBeef556]

What's funny to me is that these people - let's be real, mostly men - care more about their precious video games being inflated in price than a billion other significantly more serious issues. I'm saying this as a 28 year old man too, like... Just play older games on an emulator through your phone or PC. There's thousands upon thousands of older games you can emulate with the faintest amount of basic tech literacy.

Like if they took actual social issues equally as seriously, we wouldn't be having half of the problems that we currently do lmao

[u/Solid-Dog-1988 → u/WhereIsTheBeef556]

I mean, I agree.

What I think we are seeing is indisputably expensive things happening right before our eyes. It is fun to complain about woke DEI mobs, blab about the benefits tariff in a vacuum and how the US won’t pay for them. Seeing the price of something you want increase 35-50% for no reason?

It is a FAFO moment for them. Gas prices, groceries fluctuates so it is hard to keep track of each item individually. When the cost of a gaming console jumps 450 to 700 dollars and the games go from 90 to 130 dollars? It is explicit and they can’t hand waive it away easily.

[u/sturgboski → u/WhereIsTheBeef556]

The problem is there is a whole alt-right/manosphere pipeline has roots in GamersGate. Those people never went away, they still exist and have gotten worse AND are spreading the cancer further.

[u/teluscustomer12345 → u/WhereIsTheBeef556]

Watching the gaming community online for the past 10+ years, it's become clear that a lot of these people basically buy every single new release and never play a game thatsmore than, like, 6 months old. Like, they'll complain about EA's new release sucking ass, and then buy it, and complain some more, and then when EA announces they sequel they buy that too! And complain about it as well! I straight-up stopped paying attention to what EA is doing after I got Battlefield Fucking 3 because I learned from that experience and didn't make the same mistake again

[u/thadashinassassin]

They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

[u/sanjuro37]

"Voted for Trump, I’ll gladly pay the tariff increase. My job in manufacturing is already seeing MASSIVE booms in business as everyone is desperately trying to find domestic products opposed to foreign.” This is such a funny lie, this is not true literally anywhere and reduced hours and layoffs are already being lined up.

[u/TheBigIdiotSalami]

It's about time these right wing gamers finally get to be the source of mockery and derision and are driven out by their own petard. They've sucked up all the oxygen in the room for too long.

[u/Acceptable-Order334]

They targeted gamers. Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun. We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They tariff our games? We're already whining about it. They raise prices? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money away, or even paying for special editions. They think calling us stupid, unrealistic, trump apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.

[u/FUTURE10S → u/Acceptable-Order334]

Speaking of quality copypastas and subreddit drama, I wonder what KIA is up to nowadays.

EDIT: It's just racism and hating on Ubisoft, nothing special or particularly juicy.

[u/blacksoxing]

Tariffs are good. Stop making it sound like they aren't. America deserves to get our jobs back.

I'd love to be corrected on this as I'm typing this without googling, but there has never been a "modern" Nintendo console made in America. They were made in Japan, then China, and now Vietnam. NOW, I'm sure you could inform me that they were dreamed and schemed up in America and I'll say "yea, just like an iPhone" but when the actual build is needed....not America.

(I bet it was actually Japan, as well)

To just focus on the Nintendo Switch 2....it's being a bad faith participant to act as if us Americans really want it to be AMERICAN MADE. No, we don't care. Unless you are lying to yourself and were truly disappointed that a Japanese-based company whose HQ are in Japan didn't make something in America.

Quit playing and let me play my Switch 2 w/out tariffs

[u/corrosivecanine]

These people are literally brain dead.

No one is going to build any factories… How many times has trump imposed tariffs and then removed them and then put them back? And even if he hadn’t done that, historically, tariffs get removed after a few years because guess what….people fucking hate them and they trash the economy. No one but the biggest Trump sycophant is going to put tens of millions of dollars into building a factory that will be worthless in a couple years.

But who knows? Maybe Trump will get rid of minimum wage so we can have our own sweatshops paying 9 year olds 10 cents an hour.

I just hope they raze Hawaii to the ground quickly so we have enough land to blunt the price of coffee beans a little. I’m an addict so I’ll crash out if I have to pay $50/pound of coffee.