r/TikTokCringe • u/ElephantElmer • Jan 19 '25
Politics AOC explaining why the ban is BS
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
Dear God, do I ever hate meta.
Okay so there's the at protocol. And that is what blue skies built off of.
There were some tick tockers who were programmers who kicked off this project.
https://bsky.app/profile/skylight.social
That just released the first version to the iOS and Google Play stores.
It's an extremely rough draft. But it was done at the behest of Mark Cuban.
He openly stated that he would fund a decentralized tick tock that is based off of the at protocol.
Decentralized open source software is going to be the next wave of social media platforms.
For that matter, free and open source software. Is going to be making huge leaps and bounds in this next decade.
I have helped dozens of people switch off of Windows. And switch away from using cloud-based services. (They either run their own self-hosted stuff. Or they run everything. Localized.)
(Mind you I also sell cloud services and stuff like that. It's just that there are some people who don't want that. And I cater to them.)
I myself use Linux for all of my operating systems. And once the Lennox phone becomes a viable option. I will be switching away from Android.
I am so exhausted by big companies having so much control over my data. And being able to stop providing support.
FOSS rocks
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u/Ok-disaster2022 Jan 19 '25
Damn, Mark Cuban is inching his way to surviving when we eat the rich.
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
Ikr. His cost plus drugs thing has me seeing him as a not so bad guy
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u/banevasion0161 Jan 19 '25
Mark Cuban, Arizona iced tea and Bernie sanders Are the millionaires people and society needs.
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u/joe_broke Jan 19 '25
Costco founder!
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u/Money_Fish Jan 19 '25
When we start eating the rich James Sinegal is gonna be leading the charge with a sausage maker and a bottle of mustard.
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u/FlashMcSuave Jan 20 '25
Buffett I think also gets a pass if he continues advocating for higher taxes for the wealthy including himself.
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u/snailhistory Jan 20 '25
It's a good sign when they use their wealth for our issues. They only have record profits and our issues persist, they are the problem.
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u/HomsarWasRight Jan 19 '25
He’s the closest we’ve got to a benevolent billionaire. But such a thing should not even exist.
(Gates’ foundation has done some great things, but I also have heard about some shenanigans as well, so I can’t really speak to it.)
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u/Bkgrouch Jan 19 '25
Who do we eat first Elon Elmo Muskrat or Mark bad hair Zuckerberg ?
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u/obvious_ai Jan 19 '25
Force them to eat each other. Then burn whatever remains.
I'm not an animal.
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u/middleparable Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
“Decentralized open source software is going to be the next wave of social media platforms”
Can I ask what you think of ICP?
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
Their music sucks. But their fan base are actually some of the nicest people you would ever meet. I spent like a month up in Minnesota where everybody in my age group was just all about ICP.
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u/ThanosSnapsSlimJims Jan 19 '25
ICP actually consoled me after a breakup. Super good guys. I met them a while ago.
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u/middleparable Jan 19 '25
😂😂 I walked into that one 🤡 I didn’t know how to quote what you had written so I just pasted it into my comment. Yes the crypto bros are so annoying. I really am intrigued by ICPs utility and after seeing that statement in your comment I thought I would ask. Thank you for your reply, I agree also
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u/Ragnarok314159 Jan 19 '25
Were you walking around with a two liter stuck in yo buttchecks?
I used to jam out to them in high school. Had so many weird teachers thinking it was actual devil written music.
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
So, I'm so rural that I know two families whose parents wouldn't let them play DND or enjoy Harry Potter because they said it was devil worship. One of them now plays DND with me. And his 10 yo son is all about it. Grandma gets to hear all about how fun DND is to play
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u/Ragnarok314159 Jan 19 '25
I remember growing up and hearing about how D&D will summon literal demons and satan with rend asunder the earth and rise out of the ground.
All I could think of was “holy shit that sounds so cool!!”
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
I knew you weren't talking about the insane clown posse. But I couldn't resist.
I haven't done a whole lot of research on ICP, but I love the concept of being able to host websites on a blockchain.
There were a number of tick talkers that I was following that were into it. But I ended up blocking all of them. Because they were all crypto Bros. And like every other video was them talking about the next crypto coin. And there's people just annoy the everlating shit out of me.
But if I ever did want to have a website on the blockchain. I would have it on there because I know that it can never be taken down. Decentralized free open source software is the future.
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u/pareech Jan 19 '25
Insane Clown Posse? I like their music, my favorite song by them is Hokus Pokus and Boogie Woogie Wu.
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u/doomsoul909 Jan 19 '25
Genuinely curious but what does helping people switch of windows entail specifically? Win 10 life support is ending and I’m not going to 11 (I don’t care who Microsoft sends, I’m not upgrading) so I was curious some of the options besides Linux.
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
So if you're just the average computer user.
And you're using Windows.
Pretty much the only thing that you have to do. Is learn to live without the desktop version of Microsoft Office.
You can use Microsoft Office 365. And if you still want the installed version feel on your computer. You can use a web app. I've got a few articles about that coming up on my site.
I had a few videos on tick tock about it. But well you know.
Outside of that, it's just finding alternatives for the programs that you currently use.
One of the biggest softwares that kept people on Windows. Was QuickBooks desktop. But since QuickBooks desktop is no longer a thing. And finding less resistance from people's wanting to switch.
If you use any Adobe products. You will have to find alternatives.
And then of course there's just picking a distribution that suits you.
Most of the people that I have switched over. Have been elderly people who are switching off Windows 10. I set them up with Linux Mint.
If you're somebody who uses some more techie aspects of software. Meaning that you need some of the newest stuff out there. Or are you just really, really like fancy desktops like kde plasma. I suggest opensuse.
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u/GardeniaPhoenix Sort by flair, dumbass Jan 19 '25
How difficult is the switch from a commercial OS to Linux?
I've considered running everything except steam on Linux. Use Windows only for games.
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
I run steam on Linux. By the way, Steam OS runs Linux. Specifically. It runs Arch Linux and it's using the kde plasma desktop.
So a lot of people don't realize this, but steam is in direct competition with the Microsoft store. So about a decade ago they heavily. And I mean really heavily. Invested in Linux.
So their emulation Tech. Has come a really long way. I regularly play some Windows games on my Linux PCS. Including Bethesda games. But I haven't used any of the new AAA games.
Buy commercial OS. You're going to need to be a little more specific.
Are you using Windows Pro? Or are you using Mac OS?
Are there any window specific software is that you are using that you cannot do without. Or that you need to find a replacements for?
There are three different Linux distributions that I recommend to people who want to switch.
Answer some of those questions and I'll give you advice on what direction to go. And also how you can test out a Linux distribution without destroying your system.
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u/tomtomtomo Jan 20 '25
I used to be in IT and would play around with different distros with a dual booted laptop. What would you recommend as a decent distro for a casual but somewhat competent user?
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u/Nice_Visit4454 Jan 19 '25
Steam is working on their own desktop-class OS. I'm incredibly excited for it since I only use my PC for gaming.
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u/Maximum_Land3546 Jan 19 '25
A bit confused, when I look for it on the App Store it’s a family calendar app? I think I’m missing something.
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pixelfed
I just found that one as well. It's built using the protocol that Mastodon uses.
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u/Maximum_Land3546 Jan 19 '25
I downloaded that app but did not continue to make an account bc i don’t understand all the server options.
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
Ahh. Ok so pick a server (decentralized platforms have their own servers but all the servers can interact communicate). It's rough right now. I just got logged on.
There is a subreddit here r/pixelsocial I think. I'm new to this too btw. But not new to Mastodon.
You might want to just download the mastodon app. And create an account on mastodon.social. or one of the other famous Mastodon servers.
Those servers have the ability to host video as well. But it looks like Pixel is going to be an alternative to Instagram.
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u/Maximum_Land3546 Jan 19 '25
Ok again thanks, I never heard of Mastodon till your comment. Appreciate you!
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u/TxTechnician Jan 19 '25
Check me out when there.
Little tip. Build your feed by wearing for hashtags. That will get you ppl your interested in following.
Oh and different servers have diff rules. Like mastodon.social only allows videos that under 3min.
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u/Apart_Performance491 Jan 19 '25
I’d be really interested to learn more about this. What are some good resources to get me started?
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Jan 19 '25
I attended meetings to sort out decentralized/federated social media at MIT and Harvard in 2004. Nice to see that early vision evolve into a Twitter clone, unfortunately the timing is long after the damage has been done. Oh well, better late than never.
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u/imnotmarvin Jan 20 '25
I just want Craigslist to come back into popularity. Marketplace is the only thing keeping me from completely leaving FB.
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u/BlueFroggLtd Jan 20 '25
Yes. And that's the way to go, it seems. But we still need those privacy laws put in place. It's totally out of hand. The standard user/citizen doesn't stand a chance, as it is.
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u/Abranimal Jan 19 '25
This was literally the plan. Force a sale or get rid of TikTok to increase Twitter and meta shares. It was lobbied by Cuckerberg and fElon Musky. The US will do far worse with your data than China.
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u/Spirited-Living9083 Jan 19 '25
Wife was telling me they instagram adds right before it went away lmao it will def be meta
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u/metanoia29 Jan 19 '25
FB also started providing pages with a "link to your TikTok account" pop up the last couple days.
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u/Intelligent_Tone_618 Jan 19 '25
Want the bad news? If you want to reach a large enough base of people, you still need to use those platforms. One of the biggest factors in the current problem is the thought bubble. You do not resolve that issue by retreating to your own thought bubble.
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Jan 20 '25
I still don't understand why anyone is still using Facebook at all... I deleted mine nearly 10 years ago and never looked back
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u/SupermanI98I Jan 19 '25
So this is our Game Stop moment to eat the rich again by deleting Facebook and tanking their shares.
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u/usernametaken99991 Jan 19 '25
That's what I did. Facebook has been really dead for me anyways. I would go on to look for friends updating me about their lives, but all those friends aren't on Facebook anymore. It's just ads and Garbage
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u/psychobatshitskank Jan 19 '25
I wanted to stay on Facebook so I could see my family and former classmates but then I realized I never saw their posts anyway. It was always just pages I didn't follow.
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u/SwaggermicDaddy Jan 19 '25
I literally only use it because it’s the only place my friends create or post events when we go out, and also some family birthday reminders.
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u/Quantiv Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 20 '25
You forget Instagram is FB (Owned By Zuck)
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u/K_Linkmaster Jan 20 '25
I just hit 1 to 1 ratio. Ads versus people I know. Occasionally it's 1.2 ads per 1 people I know. It's a slow rollout.
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u/BodhingJay Jan 19 '25
return to myspace
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u/Substantial_Tax5577 Jan 19 '25
Legit Bring it back
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u/daisyfrankenstein Jan 19 '25
YESSSSS! I still remember my password 😭
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u/BodhingJay Jan 19 '25
all our old abandoned pages still playing wonderwall to no one
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u/Johnfohf Jan 19 '25
nah. I'm done with social media. I'm not joining whatever comes next. I'm glad to see all of the start their downfall.
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u/illegalt3nder Jan 19 '25
So try this thought on for size: "Wealth is a disease."
Corporations rise and fall. The underlying problems remain, whether it is Standard Oil or Meta.
Wealth is the problem. I would even go so far as to say that wealth is THE problem. And I don't mean "rich", like a neurosurgeon or a small business owner who has seen some success. I mean "wealth", like Zuck or Musk the Saudi royals or any other billionaire.
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u/yerguyses Jan 19 '25
Yeah, you're talking about wealth consolidated through political power and cronyism. Unlike a surgeon or a small business owner who earns wealth based on their hard work or talent, the rich you're talking about amass wealth by influencing politicians via lobbying and political donations to create or destroy laws that benefit them. And they collude with their other rich friends to crush competition, workers' rights, anything that doesn't benefit them.
No one who amasses that type of wealth does so simply through hard work and talent.
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u/leoyvr Jan 19 '25
Which senators invested in FB and voted for banning TikTok? Why is TikTok’s CEO attending the inauguration?
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/17/trump-inauguration-tech-ceos-bezos-musk-tiktok
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u/Ok-disaster2022 Jan 19 '25
Won't matter. Meta announced new AI generated profiles to maintain digital activity to the ad trackers.
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u/AffeLoco Jan 19 '25
whats insane to me is how they are not losing all their investors after that...
why would someone want to pay for ad spots on a site where lots of traffic is produced by ai
and why would someone invest into something thats financed by ads but also just announced something that would devalue their mainincome?
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u/Negative_Life_8221 Jan 19 '25
They sell it to the investors that the ai will generate or spur engagement with the platform from “users” as well as help spur people to buy whatever garbage they are selling. No social media site functions any different. I don’t mourn tiktok as it plays the same game as the rest.
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u/Stop_Sign Jan 19 '25
Reminder that while the particular bank that while Melvin Capital did lose a shitload of money, other investment bankers made more on the situation than the individual investors, especially the individuals who held on to their positions longer.
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u/AchioteMachine Jan 19 '25
Everyone voted for the ban and immediately bought stock in Meta.
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u/DreckMetal Jan 19 '25
Just over a year ago Meta’s stock crashed to $100 per share, and it is now worth over $600 per share. That is completely fucking insane.
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u/cheeze_whizard Jan 20 '25
Fact check: The last time $META was $100 a share was over 2 years ago (Nov 2022).
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u/paintress420 Jan 19 '25
Write your senators. Write to your rep. Tell them that’s what you think!! I do. And often, these days. Ask them why they haven’t stopped private equity from buying up homes, veterinarian offices and taking over pet insurance companies. They’re doing it bc no one is stopping them!! The politicians are supposed to help us, not buy stock in companies they’ve legislated to win!!!
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u/NumerousTaste Jan 19 '25
The biggest information that they didn't tell everyone is the bribe money received from 2 of the richest bleepholes in our country currently. Magas so easily bribed.
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u/NefariousnessThin860 Jan 19 '25
I sincerely hope there's a big revamp in democratic party. Old people just clinging onto power isn't going to help their party or the country.
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u/PuzzleheadedBag5543 Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
It's never going to happen. We would be better off making our version of Canada's New Democratic Party. We wouldn't win any presidencies with it but we could at least break the two party system in the House and Senate.
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u/ExeUSA Jan 19 '25
Or you could just primary these old bastards. That's how AOC got her seat. Many of them run unopposed.
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u/JelmerMcGee Jan 19 '25
It costs so much money. AOC is so good with grassroots finding from her social media use. She's an outlier. So many good candidates just can't get the foothold they need to effectively primary a well known senator or congressperson
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u/luckyshot98 Jan 19 '25
Honestly, maybe more bartenders should run. Built in marketing and community in the service industry. Lots of underused humanities degrees too.
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u/ExeUSA Jan 19 '25
Not everyone will win. But some will. This is the only path towards change. Getting them out. The Republicans are fascists and the Dems serve the same masters. Not trying keeps us where we are now.
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u/butane_candelabra Jan 19 '25
The NDP keeps the Liberals in check just by existing. I.e. If the liberals don't pass progressive policy, people will flock to the NDP. The US is set up for more than two parties, I think. There's no reason it can't happen. Unlike Jill Stein's Green Party farce, a team will have to put in a ton of multi-year legwork to get it off the ground. Nothing is stopping Bernie/AOC from starting a progressive party, for example, that could start winning house/congressional seats. We have the same first past the post system in Canada for ridings too as the US.
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u/New_Excitement_4248 Jan 19 '25
I sincerely hope there's a big revamp in democratic party.
We hope this every election, and every time they continue to choose corporate interests and "reaching across the aisle" rather than progressive values.
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u/A_Random_Catfish Jan 19 '25
It was never about data privacy it was about maintaining the US monopoly on that data.
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u/One_Masterpiece_8074 Jan 19 '25
Can she please be the next president- or what ever comes after, the Trump.
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u/Moooooooola Jan 19 '25
Corrupt and bought public servants have been kicking the can down the road for decades on weed legislation, but agreed to ban TikTok in two weeks. They don’t give a fuck about anyone but themselves.
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u/Critical-Papaya8304 Jan 19 '25
Then why did everyone vote to ban if it was so vague
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u/thinkthingsareover Jan 19 '25
Because they were trying to do a forced sale. I'm still amazed that nobody is talking about all of the wealthy people who have been wanting to buy tiktok (if a forced sale was accomplished)
"Musk, MrBeast, investor and "Shark Tank" host Kevin O'Leary and Los Angeles Dodgers owner Frank McCourt's Project Liberty have been the names primarily connected to the purchase of TikTok.
Other names that have been rumored as possible buyers include Bobby Kotick, the former CEO of video game publisher Activision; Walmart CEO Doug McMillon; Microsoft; and video-sharing platform Rumble."
And these are just a few. Hell...there's even a member of congress who's trying to buy it.3
u/Kinteoka Jan 19 '25
Trump is also stating that he wants to own 50% of Tiktok in order to "save" it.
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u/ecstaticthicket Jan 20 '25
So just all of the worst people in the world, awesome. Surely nothing can go wrong there
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u/MsterSteel Jan 19 '25
Pass a bill to ban this Chinese app and they'll flock to Meta apps, sending our stock skyrocketing. Insider trading? What's that?
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u/JediMasterZao Jan 19 '25
Because your government is an oligarchy. Your representatives don't vote based on facts or their constituents' interests. They vote based on which billionnaire put the most cash in their pockets.
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u/apocalyptustree Jan 19 '25
As per the first min of this video, you can see not everyone did. Specifically AOC voted against the law.
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u/2ndPickle Jan 19 '25
Economic control*
Zuckerberg lobbied hard to push TikTok out of the market. They wanted to get rid of a competitor to American tech companies and came up with a narrative to justify it
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u/rydan Jan 19 '25
It actually is national security but absolutely nothing to do with privacy. The issue is just simply that a foreign and hostile government can do to TikTok what the FBI and Homeland Security can do to any American company. As in they can compell them to hand over all data and can't even tell anyone they are doing it. And that's bad for America. That's it. Facebook, Reddit, X, and future TikTok all have the same glaring privacy issue just America has control of them.
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u/AmazingSully Jan 19 '25
This is 100% it. The control that a social media company gives you over the population should be clear to everyone after what happened with Twitter. TikTok is no different but it's a foreign adversary and that's extremely dangerous. The problem is America can't just come out and say how serious it is without screaming to the world that they are currently doing this with their apps and want to continue to do it.
AOC is right in that America needs privacy laws, but again, that's not what this is about. They also need strict anti-propaganda laws that prevent content manipulation... but of course neither of those things is ever going to happen. TikTok deserves to be banned, it should be banned, and it is dangerous. The fact that other apps are also dangerous does not change this fact. It's hypocritical, sure, but TikTok being banned is a good thing. A very good thing.
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u/PixelationIX Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
You will be surprised how many times I have been yelled at for stating this very fact. There are shit ton of Redditors who are incredibly Sinophobic and bought all the Bullshit MSM spews hook line and sinker. I even had Redditors in the past say Chinese people live in huts and shit.
Hopefully AOC saying this will get through their skull and think that the way Government is working now (openly) in this country is not for People but for MegaCoropos and whoever can bet in Multimillion dollars for the presidency.
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u/fietsvrouw Jan 19 '25
To be fair, there are security concerns, however those same "concerns" should also come up with regard the other platforms, except those platforms have CEOs that are all goose-marching in lock step with the incoming administration. Musk has shown, there will not be a problem promoting Nazis and banning people who object. Social media is set to become the illusion of free speech and in all probability, just an extension of a police state.
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u/nicolatesla92 Jan 19 '25
It’s also blocked in Russia, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea.
It’s not banned in the EU where they have data privacy laws. Like actual good ones.
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u/JediMasterZao Jan 19 '25
So what you're saying is that China blocking these apps/websites is good policy and that the US should adopt and copy that good policy. Noted.
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u/Bullumai Jan 19 '25
First of all, China doesn't claim to be the freedom land. /jk
Oracle controls Tik Tok data centers in USA.
And you just proved that the CCP was right all along for banning U.S. apps, citing national security reasons.
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u/ElKabong321 Jan 19 '25
It’s about controlling the flow of media and news as well as limiting our ability to organize online.
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u/c-kafa Jan 19 '25
https://www.isdglobal.org/isd-publications/tiktok-and-white-supremacist-content/
It’s not about data security, it’s about ideology.
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u/Shark_With_Lasers Jan 20 '25
Ever since I read these reports a few days ago my first thought was "wow this is incredibly damning" followed immediately by "what the fuck are the American social media companies doing to us"?
Ban TikTok - great, but why are we stopping there? Why are we not opening an investigation into EVERY social media company immediately? Why do we keep hearing this ban is due to vague "national security threats" and not what it is - brainwashing and social manipulation.
What I find the most disturbing about this is that the data found in these reports is not being widely disseminated - most of the news reports I read are not sharing the actual details contained within, just vague references at best. The media is failing us. I have never been a conspiratorial person AT ALL, I am a skeptic by nature - but I am deeply concerned with what I am seeing, and I am losing trust in our institutions at an alarming rate.
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u/metanoia29 Jan 19 '25
We are the national security risk, plain and simple. We gained too much class consciousness with a specific app and format, and we just watched a modern day book burning. We were able to share and consume information among the masses too easily for the owning class' comfort. They were easily able to present this as "red scare China bad" this time; keep an eye on how outlandish the lies will become when they start banning the American apps that provide similar community and rallying.
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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Jan 19 '25
China can go right now and buy all the user data from x and Meta if they want.
But they can't push narratives. We would never let a foreign power push a narrative in America, of course.
Wait... isn't a south African the owner of X... Wait... isn't a south African in the white house right now making policies. Laws... and helping to start trade wars with Americans longest allies. Wait... isn't the king of Russia on speed dial with trump...
I'm Canadian. The premier of Alberta has a trip to America setup to bend the knee to trump for his coronation. She refused to use albertan assets against America in the upcoming tariff dispute, and is on trumps side V's every single other province.
If Pierre wins the election, him and Alberta are going to try to hand Canada to trump. They want healthcare, education, and prisons all privately owned. So does trump...
They're all out to ruin north America.
The department of education is going to be destroyed for America. And here j's the really gross part: they'll cut taxes for the rich, and use social security and social safety nets ti make up the shortfall, saying they need the money, take that money to bail out and puff up private schools and bail outs for the rich. They'll use it to bail out those " most hurt by Canada and the uk's big mean tarrifs " so the auto industry. So elon...
And then in 4 hours when trump is dragged out kicking and screaming, after the war he puts us all in and says he needs to stay in power and declares Marshall law etc etc etc... Republicans will refuse to raise the debt ceiling, and threaten to let the us default on its loans if it even tries to bring back the department of education.
How the hell do you just get to decide to destroy America like that? Its insane. How can you just destroy the department of education?
Next is the cia, and homeland security. He is weakening America while saying loudly to anyone that will listen, China is the enemy. China is making a killing buying uo Russian assets and helping fund Russia.
It's just so stupid....
Americans are so stupid. They spent 4 years forgetting why Biden won. It's a broken record.
But honestly. They ran an unelectible woman against trump, and handed him the election. Learned a lesson, begged Biden to run, so he did. Then the left turned on him and called him old and crazy, when he didn't want to be there to begin with, he did it for you, pushed him out, and then skipped the primaries and force fed her to the masses as the only hope. They did the same thing twice. ...
Trash Bernie, pick Hillary, trump wins. Trash Biden, pick kamala, trump wins.
You blame fox but it wasn't fox. People that watch fox aren't having their politics swayed, they were always voting for him. All 3 times.
Meta an Twitter pushed for trump so heavily it was insane. They're doing the same thing for Pierre in Canada and the right in the uk. You can't block Elon on twitter, his posts go out to everyone, and he is constantly wrapping all over Trudeau and saying Canada needs Pierre.
How is this not election interference in Canada? Canada should ban Twitter. And Facebook honestly. Let the old peopke here learn tiktok.
Use the same argument. We can't have foreign powers with this much sway over Canadian policies and elections. And using our own data against us. America is declaring itself as the enemy. The company owners of both are teamed up with trump pushing to annex Canada.
The owners of X and Meta.... are pushing to annex Canada.... they should be banned. Period. Full stop. We don't need them.
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Jan 19 '25
This is a personal pet peeve, but it is martial law.
Marshall Law was Marshall Brain's lawyer brother.
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u/TomaCzar Jan 19 '25
Leave it to AOC to cut through the bull.
The issue isn't National Security directly but the lack of privacy protection for Americans. Compound that with all the different measures our government has taken to make us more malleable, more gullible, less capable of critical thought and review.
Is it a National Security issue? Yes, in a country where statistically significant portions of the electorate believe the Earth is flat, or we never landed on the moon, or vaccines have microchips in them ,or birds aren't real, or Jesus and dinosaurs lived at the same time. With an ever rising number of sheeple (insert XKCD comic) you better believe letting an app as influential as TikTok be run by a foreign government is a concern for National Security.
The U.S. government is clearly concerned with losing the undue sway and influence over the American people that they have cultivated over decades of mass media outlets streaming propaganda at us 24/7.
And how does the U.S. know China will abuse their influence? Because that's what we would do have done. Whether it's dropping pamphlets in the jungle or releasing false information to journalists or retconning history books, we are proficient psyops practitioners. Of course we are afraid other countries will act exactly like us, we know how successful that shit can be.
We need strong privacy laws that protect the American people from all threats, both foreign and domestic. We need legislation to curtail the amount, sources, and scope of intentional misinformation. We need better education!!! In short, we need a government that works for us, not just one that toxically keeps us away from all the other abusive influences so we can stay home and only be abused by it
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u/Hi-Chew11 Jan 19 '25
How much of congress/senate own meta stocks (TikTok’s major competitor)? A stock ban is needed. Owning stocks is influencing their decision making process for personal gain. They’re civil servants. Supposed to work for the people.
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u/Intelligent_Nose_826 tHiS iSn’T cRiNgE Jan 19 '25
A lot and don’t forget about SCOTUS who upheld the ban. The majority of them, if not all, own Meta stocks.
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u/10xwannabe Jan 19 '25
EVERYONE knows this is all about control of news. The data is strong on polling younger gen. get MAJORITY of their news from social media. This all became an issue after the start of Israel- Hamas fighting. The government CLEARLY did not like folks siding with Palestine as their support for them was HIGH. They saw that and saw how much influence a company outside of U.S. influences folks viewpoints.
All this does is really make you wonder how the algos at ALL U.S. social media somehow always work for spreading the RIGHT viewpoint in propaganda.
Simple as that.
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u/Seniorcousin Jan 19 '25
Former Senator Mitt Romney said Congress voted to ban TikTok because Israel has been unable to block information coming out of Gaza. https://newrepublic.com/post/181327/mitt-romney-congress-ban-tiktok-israel-gaza
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u/notroseefar Jan 19 '25
I feel like she and Bernie really like each other. I mean those two could probably sit down and have tea at a bar.
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u/ShibeCEO Jan 19 '25
The national security threat is a way the people can speak up and talk amongst themselves, that cant be controlled by the US government. Thats the treat!
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u/SummoningInfinity Jan 19 '25
TikTok was banned in the US because the US is a fascist oligopoly. The capital powers who own the US government are in competition with TikTok.
This is fascist protectionism.
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u/Exact-Pound-6993 Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
ok,,,we need to get our words right. I say the US is currently a plutocratic (ruled by the ultra rich) oligarchy (rule by the few) disguised as fascism (ruled by a far-right authoritarian ultra-nationalist) to fool the conservative right leaning party members to vote against their own interests, and to fool the left leaning democratic party members into fighting the conservatives, when they should both be directly addressing the ultra rich in power instead.
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u/Olivialovesmangos Jan 19 '25
I don’t have a TikTok so not being able to use it won’t affect me. But I never believed it was a national security issue! They did not want China having the most popular app. If they’re truly concerned about national security they would have disqualified a certain orange man from running again
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u/texas1982 Jan 19 '25
Because TikTok was just the easiest target to actually look like they're doing something without actually making it harder for their campaign contributors to steal my data.
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u/VillainAnderson Jan 19 '25
An app that shows Israel's atrocities against the people in Gaza gets banned by U.S. congress, we are all mildly shocked.
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u/Trunkfarts1000 Jan 19 '25
In this modern age, I really don't understand the potential danger of China getting a hold of user data from an app like Tiktok?
First of all, all major tech companies spy on us relentlessly, but secondly, how is it dangerous to the security of the nation if Chinese officials have data of millions of TikTok dorks? Are they gonna throw ads at us? Will they gain dangerous insight into the braindead viewing habits of Americans?? Can someone well versed in the tech-sphere explain how this data could be used by China to hurt America?
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u/fantasticduncan Jan 19 '25
Do I think we need better internet privacy legislation? Yes. Do I think the TikTok ban is more performative bullshit from Congress to avoid addressing housing and healthcare? Yes.
I'm so sick and tired of our elected officials circle jerking themselves and their donors. Get private money tf out of politics.
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u/No_Clue_7894 Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25
Was the whole TikTok drama a bait-and-switch to make Trump look good?
“This TikTok scam by Trump is really something,” Ron Filipowski, a defense attorney and editor-in-chief of the left-leaning MeidasTouch news outlet said. “In a few days, we will be hearing from Trump about how he ‘saved Tik Tok’ & ‘brought it back.’ He literally created the problem by calling for a ban. Rs pass a law. It gets banned. It goes dark for a day or 2, then Trump ‘saves’ it.”
Journalist Aaron Rupar said that Trump now has the big tech companies “working on his behalf.”
Heath Mayo, founder of the conservative group Principles First, added: “Trump got China to place what amounts to a front-page ad on the phone of every American on TikTok. Selling out US national security to promote himself as some savior. Surprise, surprise.”
Senator Chris Murphy (D-Ct) said the move by Trump was “terrifying.”
“TikTok tucking itself in with Trump. Twitter under control of the White House. Facebook making major changes to placate MAGA, doing PR campaign to align w Trump,” Murphy wrote in a post on X. “Does everyone not see what’s happening here and how terrifying this is.”
On August 6, 2020, Trump issued an executive order to impose sanctions on TikTok. “The United States must take aggressive action against the owners of TikTok to protect our national security,” Trump said in the order
It called for ByteDance to divest its U.S. interests or face sanctions, but Trump’s effort to ban the app was then blocked by a federal judge.
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u/cyndina Jan 19 '25
You'll notice she never says there is no security risk, only that the risks presented in a specific instance weren't compelling.
AOC isn't stupid. She knows what the actual national security risks are. She's waxed poetic about foreign interference on other platforms. She knows that we know the extent of their interference because their algorithms are, by law, open to us. And she knows that that isn't the case for TikTok.
She also knows her voter base and that no reason, legitimate or otherwise, would convince them that a targeted ban was a good thing. Because there are two aspects to this. There is absolutely a financial angle at the top. The US billionaires want their cut. And, naturally, the focus is going to be entirely on that side of the argument.
I can't agree with her downplaying the security issues to keep the trust, but she's right that the entire thing was handled about as poorly as it could have been. Biden should have publicly condemned Trump's targeted ban. Then they could have passed general legislation requiring access to information that they knew TikTok and similar foreign run platforms wouldn't't abide by. No demand to divest, just a "work with us or go away" attitude. Same result at the end of the day, but the optics would have been completely different.
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u/disharmony-hellride Jan 19 '25
Very well said, I was hoping someone else would pick up on her verbiage, she knows damn well there's a sec threat but shes right on other points.
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u/ParaSiddha Jan 19 '25
Why would TikTok sell their algorithm to anyone?
You'd only get the brand and interface, it'd become another YouTube Shorts which no one likes.
I still laugh about the days when the US used to mock China for their "Great Firewall" but as soon as a Chinese app gains traction here they're doing the same shit.
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u/Easy-to-bypass-bans Jan 19 '25
American companies can't operate in China without a controlling stake held by Chinese companies.
I do not know of a single media app from the us allowed to operate in China.
A few months ago Weren't we complaining about all the misinformation out there? Do you not think a giant media app run by an adversarial government could be weaponized? If it already hasn't. Like the app warning promoting trump.
Ps. "TikTok, in its international form, is not available to users in mainland China."
It's banned in It's own country.
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u/Radiant-Sea-6517 Jan 19 '25
When Elon bought Twitter, I knew we'd eventually shut down any and all social media that's not controlled by a right wing billionaire. That's why whenever everyone was talking about how much money Musk had lost on Twitter, I was always like, "The money wasn't the point, the point was to shut down any social media where people could collectivize." They want us to only communicate on platforms wherein any speech involving collectivization, unionization or revolution can be suppressed. That won't happen on a Chinese app.
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u/s_arrow24 Jan 19 '25
Just a way to get rid of foreign competition. Something else will just take its place with the kids.
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u/Linux4ever_Leo Jan 19 '25
It's only a matter of time before a new, decentralized community driven service comes out to replace TikTok. Something akin to BitTorrent technology where everything is decentralized and spread out all over the world. When one server goes down another one comes online to take it's place.
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Jan 19 '25
In my opinion, the answer to her last question is:
Some fucked up shit is about to happen, and it needs to not be seen.
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u/noohoggin1 Jan 19 '25
Wasn't this the same BS reason they were spewing about Huawei phones and banned them?
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u/Next_Engineer_8230 Jan 19 '25
Yet, when Biden put it in place to start in 2025, she wasn't all on the internet explaining why it's BS.
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u/Sil-Seht Jan 19 '25
We should be regulating malicious algorithms in a way that affects all the corpos
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u/Salarian_American Jan 19 '25
I think the big disconnect on "national security" and "data mining" is that lawmakers are wildly overestimating how much of a difference it makes to the average person where the company that's helping itself to your data is headquartered.
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u/P0tat0_Carl Jan 19 '25
This is who I want writing the policy. Not some 80 year old with corporate interests.
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u/kitkatkorgi Jan 19 '25
Instead of banning ALL data collection. They banned an app. Nit owned by Zuckerberg hmmmmmm
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u/Voluptulouis Jan 19 '25
This new administration will rule what she's preaching as high treason. Regulations to protect our privacy and data that corporations use for more effective and targeted advertising? I don't think so. That's not good for Trump's billionaires and loyalists.
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u/troycerapops Jan 19 '25
Damn. It's like she heard my argument last night. But then, you know, made it better.
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Jan 19 '25
It's just so Zuckerberg has less competition for his platforms and the precedent can be set that apps can be arbitrarily banned under the criteria "national defense"
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u/justthegrimm Jan 19 '25
It's pretty simple, Zuckerberg bribed (lobbied) and paid a lot of money to get this passed.
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u/Certain_Sky7457 Jan 19 '25
There was too much class consciousness on Tik Tok which is why they needed to shut it down. Sharing of protests, etc.
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u/NoReplyBot Jan 19 '25
We get it just like they’re trying to ban DJI drones under the guise of “national security threat.”
Congress and the FAA, FCC, etc. have multiple safe guards to mitigate DJI and other Chinese products from being an ALLEGED threat. Same controls can and should be applied to other imports. But no it’s CHINA bad, ban them. It’s easy political points because everyone hates China.
Congress is incompetent, weak, lazy, and old af. Time from to get voted tf out.
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u/BawkSoup Jan 19 '25
It's not Red vs Blue it's Up vs Down.
Done listening to these clowns and their circus.
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u/benthelurk Jan 19 '25
I know it’s not relevant to the topic here but why does anyone dislike AOC? I mean besides other politicians. She actually has good and valid information and people often shit on her like she is some symbol of “woke” culture.
We haven’t ever had someone shed so many bright lights onto so much of what’s happening in the government. Even if you don’t want to vote for her, how can you be against someone just trying to fight for the truth to be public knowledge?
Sometimes I hear her and Bernie and I just think, “The fuck is wrong with us? We have two people that are really trying here and you’re all hellbent on demeaning them because they aren’t of your party.” Although, I think lots of democrats also hate them because they side with the people over lobbies, which is actually the most important part of their job. Anyway, just wanted to express my surprise I guess. AOC is top notch. That’s the end of my rant.
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u/AlbionGarwulf Jan 19 '25
It's just so weird seeing an American politician talking to citizens like they are intelligent, rational human beings...
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u/okaquauseless Jan 19 '25
Ok well if aoc says otherwise, then the ban might have been absolute bs. Still, dems got played hard surprisingly
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u/Blorbokringlefart Jan 19 '25
I know this so isn't the point and I accept your downvotes, but damnit if she isn't just like so beautiful. She's just this gorgeous badass from my micro generation. This is how our moms feel about Colin Firth.
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u/Mundane-Twist7388 Jan 19 '25
When did she post this? I wish I saw it. I bought into the national security narrative and now I actually feel really betrayed.
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u/Virtual_Phone Jan 19 '25
Who really believed it was going away? 😂😂
Tik Tok generates income for millions of Americans, corporations, advertisers and tax revenue for the US.
Our greed is too powerful. US breeds greed. Come on guys. 😂😂😂
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u/Art-Zuron Jan 19 '25
It was because they were trying to force TikTok to be sold to one of the major propagandists here in the US (Probably Xitter or Meta), and they didn't expect them to just fuck off and cut the US loose. So now they're backpedaling.
Considering how much money folks like Zuck and Elon funneled into lobbying for banning Tiktok, it seemed obvious to me.
But now Trump gets to pretend that he saved the day, after Tiktok basically bribed him.
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u/batkave Jan 19 '25
Anyone who thinks this is about "public safety" or "security" is very gullible. It's all about other social media and american billionaires upset they don't have the power. This is why under trump it didn't go anywhere. It was ONLY when the genocide in Gaza started and, because of the quick reporting and on the ground truth grew that aipoc through money at it and was able to get democrats behind it.
Now trump gets a win before he is in office, democrats look stupid (as they love to do themselves), and it's yet another thing people can't seem to grasp they are being played by a handful of rich people.
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u/kilekaldar Jan 19 '25
No kidding the briefing was vague, the US politicians and their staffs leak like a colander, mainly to the US media who pay for those leaks. The Western intelligence community has lost trust and have for a long time, so major group briefings are kept minimal in details on the assumption that the contents will end up in the New York Times.
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u/mettiusfufettius Jan 19 '25
The privacy threats are no more severe than those presented by X, Meta, Google, and other platforms and sites. The only difference here is that TikTok is under the full and opaque control of a foreign adversary.
We are lonnnnng overdue for robust digital privacy laws that actually protect users across all platforms
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Jan 20 '25
Thank you. Finally a voice of reason.
This is another way to point our attention away from what's going on right under our noses.
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u/therealkgreezy Jan 19 '25
We the people of course have no internet privacy laws. We need that kind of legislation. The amount of shittty email ads for shit I never viewed, it’s getting ridiculously out of control. We need protection at this point. These companies can sell our email addresses to these half baked companies without any recourse. Fuck these conglomerates and corporations. We need a government to stand with the people and do right by the people instead of the billionaires and corporations.
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Jan 20 '25
The China stealing data is only a small pretext - the real reason is the US doesn't want China to have such a strong influence among the American populace. The potential propaganda influence is way too dangerous.
Sure, the other tech companies like Meta would like to eliminate competition. And sure, politician's don't like the pro-Palestinian content on the platform.
But that doesn't change the fact that it's a CCP controlled platform with half the US population using it. That is a national security threat. It's like the Soviet Union owning a major network TV channel or the NY Times during the height of the Cold War. It would never be allowed.
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u/Pleasant-Ad887 Jan 20 '25
This was was obvious from the start. All the questioning and stunt hearing were questions about Facebook to TikTok. In fact, Facebook collects 100x more data than TikTok. Neither of them are good applications to have but to say TikTok is worse is asinine.
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u/godiegoben Jan 20 '25
Like her or not you have to admit she is someone to listen to. I trust her more than any other person in politics because she’s around my age and is deep into government and is actually there. And she has my interests in mind.
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u/tacorama11 Jan 20 '25
The way people are freaky out over tiktok being gone for a day is pretty much all the evidence you need that is is toxic addictive garbage.
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