Yeah, letting people slip through the cracks is a huge drain on productivity. You can claw that back eventually though if you change your mind later (just start funding those systems again). The damage to America's research institutions might very well be irreversible though. There's a network effect with premier research institutions and you can't overcome it even with huge investment. Look at Germany in the 1930s. They had the best research institutions in the world. Then the Nazis destroyed them and Germany has never recovered that excellence. We're seeing *historical, irreversible* damage to the long-term American economy right now. The American economy is built on R&D, and once that edge is gone, it's gone forever.
True. I hope midterm elections add some friction to the downfall and in 2028 we cut the losses and start healing asap and allies acknowledge that the majority of the US was betrayed and welcome us back. That’s a lot of wishful thinking at this point. Also agree the research edge is disappearing fast.
Majority of your allies did that after 2020. We were willing to let whatever happened in 2016 be just a blip. However, you voted for him again, in an even more convincing way, given he won the popular vote as well. So no, we won’t accept you back as if nothing happened.
EU approved a $800B defence investment plan with 0 going to the US. I’m sure Lockheed Martin will be happy with that. F-35 will be sold less and less and I imagine we won’t even touch the F-47. Gg 🙃
PS: We not touching F-47 means it will be a super expensive plane and is actually one of the reasons why the best fighter jet ever made — the F-22 — became reduced to about 200 units — no economy of scale, ergo, too expensive.
I hear you. And I would probably do the same if I was a European. But one thing I’m sure of is that even Trump voters did not vote for him betraying his allies and enforcing tariffs like this. I haven’t seen stats on Trump buyers remorse but anecdotally and as a wild ass guess I think at least half of his voters have or soon will regret their vote. This level of madness was not what we as a country voted for or support, and I believe something sinister that we don’t know exactly what it is at play here. So although it was stupid to vote a felon into the office, I don’t think people voted for this Trump 2.0 at least when it comes to foreign policy and economy.
Not all of them for sure. I personally know a few who have freaked out over his Canada/Greenland stance and tariffs. And online you can see people starting to question what’s going on. And yes there are Trump voters out there that will cheer him on all the way head on to the Darwinian wall.
All I've seen from Trump voters say about these events is that it "ruins their optics" and "gives left ammunition". They don't disapprove of Trump's actions, just worry that it makes them look bad. And it will definitely not dissuade them from voting for him again.
Yeah that’s the problem. I would reluctantly accept them if they started showing genuine remorse and changed their voting habits. Thank God i got out of my state when i did; I’m afraid i wouldn’t have had the backbone or the moral compass to change if i stayed. But like…. they don’t. They’ll just vote for him again. When he passes an eo that lets him run for a third term.
In terms of rebuilding international credibility there needs to be a sea of red hats in the streets demanding Trump/Musk be stopped now not maybe in four years time when the damage is done.
I don't know how it is in the real world, but I wouldn't take reddit as a good barometer of how things really are. The true test are all special elections and such, where we see how people actually vote.
Reddit, Twitter et al are astroturfed to hell and back by literally every entity known to man. Countries, institutions, special interests, corporations...
Many are too stupid and ignorant to even read the bills flying right now. I know many people who will tell you that Trump was giving them tax cuts just because that’s what Trump said himself. If I ask them to view the tax plan which gives tax cuts to the rich and RAISES their taxes, they will refuse to look or tell me “well that’s not what Trump said” or any sort of mental gymnastics to decide that the official writing is not reality. So many of these people are very deluded, or unintelligent and lost. As much as their ignorance is dangerous and should not be ignored, it’s not true to say that all of these people voted for these things because frankly they still do not believe it to be true in the first place.
I promise you less than 1% of Trump voters regret their vote. Most of those people were affected in some direct way, such as losing a federal job or having their husband deported to a concentration camp in El Salvador. Even then lots of them don't regret their vote. We're talking about the dumbest, most entitled, most hateful, and most brainwashed population of idiots on earth.
Yeah the lack of information or intellect is real. I have extended family who voted for Trump and were supporting tariffs to make it “fair” and after I poked I realized they didn’t know how tariffs work and thought for example China or Canada will pay the tariffs 🤦♂️🤦♂️
What's sinister is that we re-elected, not a toddler but an Eric Cartman who has lost what little mental capacity he had left in 2016 and now is out to extort and get revenge and whose hero is............Hitler.
We (the US) deserve everything we get. And like Mencken said, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
Mostly agree. What I was trying to highlight is that even (a good chunk of) Trump supporters are surprised by the outcome. It was a weird election with Biden being virtually brain dead, Trump’s assassination attempt reeling up conspiracy theorists more, Musk doubling down with his base and $, global inflation impacting US which is hard to explain for avg trumpster, southern border madness and Harris saying she would not change one thing from Biden’s time, Russia aka Trump aka Fox misinformation propaganda getting better and better etc etc. But at a grand scale yeah, 100% as a nation we fucked up. This is now the Darwin Effect in play.
Trump voters wanted this. If not, where the fuck are they protesting? Trump voters were warned that every ally was fearing a Trump presidency, Clinton said in 2016 Putin would eat him for breakfast. Harris literally told he’d sell off Ukraine. But those fuckers sure wanted to oWn tHe LiBs. Hope it was worth it
Yeah. Americans are dumb as fuck. Literally you had generals, which tend to be hard conservatives, telling “pls don’t vote for him he’s a fucking fascist and we stopped him in his first term but we can’t do nothing for his second because he’ll just get his people onboard”
Yeah. We just showed you all we're unreliable, unstable, and unfit to address the problems that crop up at home, which in this case, is the rise of the facist MAGA party. There is no going back to what was after this. We won't be feeling the effects of all our allies pulling American made goods from the shelves right now, but we will soon. It's insane to witness such a fast free-fall from grace, we're no longer the super power we were 6 months ago. Even then, I think that's debatable. MAGA should have been addressed back in 2012 when the FBI labeled alt-right groups as a domestic threat with the potential to destroy America from the inside.
Yap :/
I’m actually sad. I’ve never seen this, don’t think it has ever happened this suddenly. Furthermore, with all the cuts in R&D, the US will lose its tech advantage… what an own goal
Soviet Union collapsed because they were broke, the US is going to collapse because Kamala is a woman of colour. Wow
I've got this theory that the only way rest-of-world will forgive the United States for this is if there emerges conclusive evidence that Musk/Trump won through tampering with election machines, but I haven't run that theory by anyone else yet
I still think that wouldnt repair any of the damage done to global relations. I think the only way we see them restored to the state they were before Trump is if we pass legislature that actually limits what the president can do before they need to run it by congress. That way 1 person can't just decided to swap sides again
Or you actually go out in numbers and protest, which, so far, you haven’t. Literally you can go on strike and paralyse the country. ICE can ignore his illegal orders, etc. no one is doing shit
I don’t blame you guys at all but i do hope that some places offer sanctuary to the US citizens when those bridge burns are finalized… cuz like us queer folx are eating major sand here
Also over 5k German scientists went to America and Russia. The last of that generation is has been gone from the work force for at least 20 years, and we're definitely feeling the effects
If research project are interrupted midway through many will have to be restarted … some projects have been going for 10-15 years. You can’t get that time back and the results are ruined. Not only are the not getting funded but alllllllll the money spent before will be completely wasted
And when people have nothing they have nothing to lose. Do they think desperate people won’t turn to crime? Who are they going to go after? Rich people.
It is critical to understand that our already poor social structures are largely to blame for our ridiculous levels of gun violence compared to any other country. People don’t kill each other when they live in societies that care more about each other and want to take care of each other.
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u/ImaginationNo1928 8d ago edited 8d ago
100%. And the social support systems for the vulnerable that are vanishing.