True. I hope midterm elections add some friction to the downfall and in 2028 we cut the losses and start healing asap and allies acknowledge that the majority of the US was betrayed and welcome us back. That’s a lot of wishful thinking at this point. Also agree the research edge is disappearing fast.
Majority of your allies did that after 2020. We were willing to let whatever happened in 2016 be just a blip. However, you voted for him again, in an even more convincing way, given he won the popular vote as well. So no, we won’t accept you back as if nothing happened.
EU approved a $800B defence investment plan with 0 going to the US. I’m sure Lockheed Martin will be happy with that. F-35 will be sold less and less and I imagine we won’t even touch the F-47. Gg 🙃
PS: We not touching F-47 means it will be a super expensive plane and is actually one of the reasons why the best fighter jet ever made — the F-22 — became reduced to about 200 units — no economy of scale, ergo, too expensive.
I hear you. And I would probably do the same if I was a European. But one thing I’m sure of is that even Trump voters did not vote for him betraying his allies and enforcing tariffs like this. I haven’t seen stats on Trump buyers remorse but anecdotally and as a wild ass guess I think at least half of his voters have or soon will regret their vote. This level of madness was not what we as a country voted for or support, and I believe something sinister that we don’t know exactly what it is at play here. So although it was stupid to vote a felon into the office, I don’t think people voted for this Trump 2.0 at least when it comes to foreign policy and economy.
Not all of them for sure. I personally know a few who have freaked out over his Canada/Greenland stance and tariffs. And online you can see people starting to question what’s going on. And yes there are Trump voters out there that will cheer him on all the way head on to the Darwinian wall.
All I've seen from Trump voters say about these events is that it "ruins their optics" and "gives left ammunition". They don't disapprove of Trump's actions, just worry that it makes them look bad. And it will definitely not dissuade them from voting for him again.
Yeah that’s the problem. I would reluctantly accept them if they started showing genuine remorse and changed their voting habits. Thank God i got out of my state when i did; I’m afraid i wouldn’t have had the backbone or the moral compass to change if i stayed. But like…. they don’t. They’ll just vote for him again. When he passes an eo that lets him run for a third term.
In terms of rebuilding international credibility there needs to be a sea of red hats in the streets demanding Trump/Musk be stopped now not maybe in four years time when the damage is done.
I don't know how it is in the real world, but I wouldn't take reddit as a good barometer of how things really are. The true test are all special elections and such, where we see how people actually vote.
Reddit, Twitter et al are astroturfed to hell and back by literally every entity known to man. Countries, institutions, special interests, corporations...
Many are too stupid and ignorant to even read the bills flying right now. I know many people who will tell you that Trump was giving them tax cuts just because that’s what Trump said himself. If I ask them to view the tax plan which gives tax cuts to the rich and RAISES their taxes, they will refuse to look or tell me “well that’s not what Trump said” or any sort of mental gymnastics to decide that the official writing is not reality. So many of these people are very deluded, or unintelligent and lost. As much as their ignorance is dangerous and should not be ignored, it’s not true to say that all of these people voted for these things because frankly they still do not believe it to be true in the first place.
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u/ImaginationNo1928 8d ago
True. I hope midterm elections add some friction to the downfall and in 2028 we cut the losses and start healing asap and allies acknowledge that the majority of the US was betrayed and welcome us back. That’s a lot of wishful thinking at this point. Also agree the research edge is disappearing fast.