r/WallStreetbetsELITE 4d ago

Loss That just Crazy BRO

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u/W4OPR 4d ago

What I would like to see is, Trump family's stock portfolio from the past 2 weeks, just to see how much did he gain on insider trading.

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u/-Sanj- 4d ago

We all know Musky has lost half his wealth at least

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u/Shroomnewbie4905 4d ago

Remember - everything trump touches turns to shit eventually, even felon could not escape its gravitational pull

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u/W4OPR 4d ago

Proven by stock market

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u/Makaveli80 4d ago

Bro, he sold Twitter, worth less than 9 billion to xAI for an 80 billion valuation

Dude is making money out of thin air

He also has all the data for all Americans, and back doors after getting read and write access

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u/highlorestat 4d ago

xAI was founded by Elon Musk in March 2023.

By selling an overvalued company, he was forced to buy (to not get away with market manipulation again), to himself by buying it at an overvalued price.

It's probably to claim tax deductions on the loss in value of both Twitter and Tesla (well mostly to avoid the loans he leveraged with it).

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u/LickMyTicker 4d ago

It artificially raised xAis value. It's money laundering plain and simple.

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u/Rugaru985 4d ago

Isn’t xAI still private?

And money laundering is running fake money or marked bills through a legitimate business so that the bad money is spread out as change through your customers, and their clean bills come back to you.

Anyway, his little sale of twitter to grok means nothing to anyone except that the people who had a private stake in twitter now own a piece of xAI at the ratio of the sale.

He had to appease his lenders by giving them a piece of one of his other companies, since twitter is not profitable.

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u/-boatsNhoes 4d ago

He essentially diluted xAi investors.

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u/Rugaru985 4d ago

I agree, to pay off twitter investors - whoever they all are. But both companies are private, and I assume have some voting mechanism

I agree it’s all bullshit valuations, btw. But I think it was more of a gasping effort to keep his head above water.

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u/LickMyTicker 4d ago

Money laundering as a concept is far wider than just fake money. You can do the same thing with invoices and shell companies. He did a pure paper deal between two companies and forced a high valuation that could be used for enticing investors or favorable loans with the extra equity. Next thing you know he's using xAi to buy another election.

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u/fuckyogiboys 4d ago

Can I add that the book "billion dollar whale" is phenomenal and it's fucking scary what the rich can do with their money on a global scale. We aren't even in the same plane of existence as them when it comes to theft

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u/big_cock_lach 4d ago

Oh God you do belong here.

He famously sold X/Twitter to himself for $45b, which means a valuation of $33b due to the $12b debt. The $80b valuation is for xAI, his AI startup, not for X/Twitter.

He initially bought Twitter for $44b since it was a publicly traded company and he didn’t have a choice. It’s hard to value private companies, so having it roughly at the same price as it was a few years ago is fairly standard. The exact value will be based on whatever costs him the least to restructure it (largely looking at taxes).

The $9b ($9.4b to be exact, which isn’t less than $9b) figure comes from Fidelity listing its holdings in X/Twitter and valuing them, which when extrapolated was worth $9.4b. That likely takes into account sales agreements. It’s not uncommon for private companies to have strict sales agreements on their shares, and common things in these agreements include who they can sell for and for how much. These agreements can cause your personal holdings to be worth less than the equivalent portion of the company. It can also do the opposite but I’d be very surprised if Elon set it up that way. The true market valuation would likely be a lot closer to that $9.4b figure than the $33b figure though.

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u/Makaveli80 3d ago

Interesting breakdown, love understanding the schemes 

Fascinating in a perverse way

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u/oebujr 4d ago

Well yeah, he is disposable to trump.

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u/eggplantpot 4d ago

Can't he just have bought massive PUT positions knowing what's coming?

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u/DontForgt2BringATowl 4d ago

I mean, he surely had a heads up about tariff details ahead of time, who knows how much he might have made with short positions 🤬

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u/tenredtoes 4d ago

Musk has spent the last couple of months setting up permanent access to all the US federal government systems. He's going to be fine. 

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u/Prize_Bar_5767 4d ago

He only lost like half of what he gained through "buying the election" rally. 

Not even close.  

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u/Jamestouchedme 4d ago

You only lose if you sell stocks technically.

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u/el_guille980 4d ago

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u/Hot-You-7366 4d ago

Obi Wan Jerombi

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u/Strange-Term-4168 4d ago

Probably 1% of what they made in crypto 🤣

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u/Surprise_Creative 4d ago

I'm not sure he has the intellectual capacity to have understood in advance that this would destroy the markets.

I'm not even joking. I firmly believe this guy is illiterate.

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u/hanskazan777 4d ago

They don't need to. They sold their Trump Media shares and they have their rug pull on $Trump and $Melania.

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u/OverEasyGoing 3d ago

I’d like to see all the public disclosures for politicians who sold off everything over the last few weeks. Both sides of the aisle.

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u/randallpink1313 4d ago

Why would Biden do this?

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u/Banana-Rockets 4d ago

What I'd love to see, is all the shit democrats have been sweeping under the rug for decades.

Pelosi, Schumer, Biden, Cliton & the rest of your swamp thing supporters

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u/enterjiraiya 3d ago

deny and deflect, can you do that for 44 more months?

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u/Banana-Rockets 3d ago

I know the truth & bs dumpacraps pull every year, you people love to point fingers, next time, make sure you hypocrites are looking yourselves in the mirror when you point fingers when your swamp things are back in office, and the economy is even worse than what Trump left.

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u/Majestic_Republic_45 4d ago

After we get done with Pelosi's?

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u/PolishPrincess0520 4d ago

Yeah do the Pelosi’s. Just because you right wing smooth brainers will sell your first born to defend and kiss Trump’s ass doesn’t mean every democrat does the same. Throw them in prison if they are doing something illegal. How do you morons not get that?

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u/LocksDoors 4d ago

They get it, they are just weasels.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

We love it!!

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u/Repulsive_Round_5401 4d ago

All of them. Stock trades should be announced publicly a month in advance.

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u/bso45 4d ago

Republitards simply cannot comprehend that we actually do want this and want both of them to go to jail