r/WorkReform • u/north_canadian_ice šø National Rent Control • Jan 14 '25
š Pass a 32 Hour Work Week How are people supposed to have kids when President Musk wants them to work 80 hours a week?
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u/MasterSpoon Jan 15 '25
Do you think Elon raises any of his kids? Any dads out there, or moms, who think they could raise kids and be president/ceo of multiple ventures? Ninja edit: this isnāt in support of musky boy.
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u/somekindofhat Jan 15 '25
He's been wearing at least one like a bullet proof vest for the last six weeks or so
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Jan 15 '25
I hope that one day Musk has to defend himself against his sons frustration/anger at Musk for using him as a human shield. That's no way for person to treat another, let alone a parent to treat their child.
His son deserves to know how his father thinks of him.
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u/mister_pants Jan 15 '25
As far as I can tell, he mostly just plays Diablo IV, tells Donald Trump what he thinks the government should do, and posts shit on Twitter. Being a CEO of 3 companies can't be that time intensive.
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u/KnaveOfGeeks Jan 15 '25
He doesn't actually play games, at least not enough to be good at them. He definitely paid other people to level and grind for equipment on his D4 account
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u/FrankensteinsDildo Jan 15 '25
He doesnāt play them enough to even know the basic of basic in game mechanics of the game. Watch a stream of him playing dude canāt even manage his inventory.
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Jan 15 '25
Yup, the moment I heard about that shit I knew it couldn't be true. Muskrat spends way too much time shitposting - among other things - that I instantly doubted it.
See, I used to play MMOs, I like to think I know what obsession in this sphere looks like - when you get to the upper tiers in gaming, everything else becomes secondary. He's definitely unhinged enough to fit in with the no-lifer gamer crowd, but it's plain to see he's involved in too many other things that there's no way he's actually one of them.
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u/Taowulf Jan 15 '25
such a great dad, amirite?
Vivian Jenna Wilson, the transgender daughter of Elon Musk, said Thursday in her first interview that he was an absent father who was cruel to her as a child for being queer and feminine.
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u/amesann Jan 15 '25
Every day I think I can't despise this man anymore than I already do, and then I see another tweet by his dumbass or shit like this and then I hate him even more. I feel so bad for all his kids.
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u/NuttyButts Jan 15 '25
So, let me conspiracy here for a second. Musk has like 12 kids now, almost all have been invitro (no confirmation on the ones with Grimes). Before Grimes, he had only amab kids. And he got really really mad when one of them turned out to be trans.
The crackpot theory? He was having all these kids to use as organ donors later, making sure he had boys because he probably thought the organs would be more compatible. And he was mad when one of them altered her hormones to not match his.
But tbh it's more likely that he has some weird white supremacist "spread his seed" thing.
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Jan 15 '25
Not to mention his video gaming habits which if were true mean heās playing Diablo 4 15 hours a day
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Jan 15 '25
Which any hardcore gamer would tell you couldn't be true. When you get to that level of no-lifing, everything else becomes secondary. Muskrat wouldn't have had the time to shitpost, deal with his work, etc. As you noted, people in that tier of gaming spend basically their entire day focusing on that shit.
Don't even have to speculate. There's apparently streams of him gaming, and it's painfully obvious he doesn't even know the basics. Mans struggled with the goddamn inventory screen.
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u/ks13219 Jan 15 '25
Musk talking about parenting is like Gƶring blessing a Seder dinner
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u/AhAhStayinAnonymous Jan 15 '25
I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. Not enough people are talking about how this fucking psychopath used his own toddler as a human shield. You will never convince me that he was trying to do otherwise.
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u/PaulTR88 Jan 15 '25
Honestly having a kid has made me way more in favor of violence against the 1% and all the bullshit here. He isn't the type to register that this big push for children without improvements is going to be a bad thing for him.
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u/Half_Man1 Jan 15 '25
How would Elon know if itās good having kids? Heās never spent any time with his.
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u/MyPigWhistles Jan 15 '25
Well, he does spend a significant portion of his time insulting his daughter on Twitter, calling her mentally ill and other things.
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u/Individual_Chart_450 Jan 16 '25
oh dont worry he spends a lot of time around kids just not as a father
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u/Gerreth_Gobulcoque Jan 15 '25
I mean he's made at least one of his kids completely miserable. So I don't think I'll be taking the word of a happiness vampire thanks
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u/taylorbagel14 Jan 15 '25
Based on things sheās said, Iād imagine sheās not the only one heās made miserable. He couldnāt even remember which of his twins was obsessed with broadway musicals (it was not his daughter like he claimed)
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u/AngryMillenialGuy Jan 15 '25
The dude is a complete absentee father.
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u/Crandom Jan 15 '25
"Nothing will make you happier... than having kids then completely ignoring them until they disown you"
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u/JennShrum23 Jan 15 '25
Of course heās a happy parent. Hell, I do more parenting of kids than he ever has and Iām a childless cat lady.
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u/Appropriate-Coast794 Jan 15 '25
āNothing will make you happier,ā says the man who is no longer in contact with one or more of said children.
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u/Filmtwit Jan 15 '25
More Babies means more babies for rich white folks, not you and me.
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u/weonlyhadtenmen Jan 15 '25
They want us to have babies purely, so when we are dead, our kids work in the very same factories we did
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u/munkamonk Jan 15 '25
And make sure we are too busy fighting over less scraps for more mouths, so we arenāt able to fight up
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u/KingWolf7070 Jan 15 '25
They want us to fight each other over social issues so that we never stand together against them on economic issues.
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u/PsychoNerd91 Jan 15 '25
More babies means more freah vessels to indoctrinate into their own values without any of the messy inconveniences like the 'the past'.
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u/Eat_That_Rat Jan 15 '25
I'd be absolutely shocked if he could name all his kids.
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u/ijustsailedaway Jan 15 '25
He could probably do first names. But definitely not middle names and might have a hard time remembering last names too. No fucking way he knows birthdays
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u/agent674253 Jan 15 '25
Since they are mostly IVF-babies I wouldn't be surprised if their birthdays were X/X (Oct 10) of any given year and thus easy to remember for ol' musky š
/joke as their birthdays are not a secret, for the most part, but still, musk loves the x.
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u/Coffin_Nailz Jan 15 '25
The fact that the graph starts at 1950, the baby BOOM, is wild. I would love to see the graph starting at like 1900, to give a view as to how abnormal that population level is
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u/chickenboy2718281828 Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
This is such a stupid graph to show without context because while births have decreased, population has increased dramatically. For most of human history, having children die before reaching adulthood has been the expectation. Births are dropping because modern medicine keeps almost all children alive to adulthood. You don't have to (as morbid as this sounds) hedge your bets by having 6 kids anymore. Today a child dying before their parents is an uncommon tragedy. 300 years ago, it was just as sad, but it was the norm.
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u/Loofa_of_Doom Jan 15 '25
Then the rich should have them and then put their own children into the factories.
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u/CareApart504 Jan 15 '25
Enough babies? For what? Ai is taking all the middle class office jobs away and im sure 20 years from now itll be advanced enough to take large swathes of other industries as well.
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u/NamelessCabbage Jan 15 '25
Knowing mankind, we are headed towards the a future similar to the movie Elysium.
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u/Kungfufuman Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
Coming from the guy who's children want nothing to do with him and the one who he can still force to be around him he used as a meat shield after that CEO got shot
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u/FoamingCellPhone Jan 15 '25
If he likes kids, why doesn't he spend time with his? He's always going on drug binges and trying to impress a bunch of losers online.
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u/drgoatlord Jan 15 '25
Kids ARE awesome. If you're ready for it. Even be ready doesn't convey the work, effort, time, and money it takes. How are people supposed to be excited about having kids if they work 60 hours a week, barely making enough to support themselves, let alone another tiny human (or two, or three) then how are they supposed to react? There are hardly any family neighborhoods anymore. If they want us to act like it's the 50s again then they need to fucking step up and support it. Taking civil rights away, not supporting nationwide healthcare, and threatening to automate most middle level jobs is not the way to achieving this.
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u/Almostasleeprightnow Jan 15 '25
"work 80 hours a week".... as indentured servants on Mars, no less.
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u/Squirrel_Inner Jan 15 '25
Iāve got four kids. I love them. Itās fucking HARD to get by. Thatās with the oldest being mostly self sufficient, working her way through college.
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u/BMCarbaugh Jan 15 '25
In Elon's world, kids aren't for you. They're for the cool rich people to have. All the little peons go down to the mines.
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u/Proof-Delay-602 Jan 15 '25
Heās a liar - money makes him happiest and he is obsessed with it. He treats his kids terribly, especially Vivian.
The audacity of this man is astounding.
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u/Lost2nite389 Jan 15 '25
āNothing will make you happierā
I can think of many things, for example, give me $10k straight to my bank every week and never have to work again would make me happier than having kids
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Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
Considering he named his kids like you pick a WiFi password, I donāt think Elon understands parenting.
Heās also a shill for RTO. As we all know, thereās nothing more conducive to having children than both parents (assuming they both work in an industry where remote work is common) have to commute 2hrs each day to work and stay there for a minimum of 8hrs.
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u/Successful-Creme-405 Jan 15 '25
How are people supposed to have kids
President Musk doesn't care because he doesn't take care of them
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u/didntgrowupgrewout Jan 15 '25
I wouldnāt mind if the internet became flooded with reminders of what a āmodelā parent Elon is.
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Jan 15 '25
Heās trying to eliminate remote work so we all have 3 hour commutes. Does he want us to leave those babies in daycare 12 hours a day?
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u/FatBearWeekKatmai Jan 15 '25
Has the global population dropped yet?
Is the reason the issue is framed as # of babies per womb to make it easier to strip women of their bodily autonomy in the USA?
Several countries in Africa have very high birth rates, but we don't hear about that. Wonder why?
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u/johnpmacamocomous Jan 15 '25
Of course musk is an absentee father. Unless, of course, he needs a human shield!
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u/KonmanKash šµ Break Up The Monopolies Jan 15 '25
Really ironic statement from the perpetually unhappy grifter with 100 kids. Fuck scamron and grimes honestly.
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u/carthuscrass Jan 15 '25
Oh yeah, like his kids have anything to do with him. Hard to parent with your foot in your mouth and your head up your ass.
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u/Lee_337 Jan 15 '25
Leon has once again confused having with making, similar to how he has billions, but didn't make them.
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Jan 15 '25
Also when food is through the roof, don't even get me started on formula. We're about to have our first and I grow angrier and angrier the more we start stocking up and preparing because prices are out of control. But please, let's keep talking about how strong the economy is when I'm spending $100 on 2 containers of formula just in case my poor wife can't our kid. Fucking disgusting. And then you have the dickheads that literally think that food is not a human right.
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u/bagbicth Jan 15 '25
Not having children is me withholding labor from the endless meat grinder of capitalism. Suck it, Musk.
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u/snarkhunter Jan 15 '25
Very simple:
- After women's rights get further reversed nly men will be working 80 hour weeks, leaving the women to care for the children
- Elon Musk and his rich friends will sire all the children, with advanced AI algorithms determining optimal breeding strategies
It's like nobody actually read Project 2025. I know I didn't.
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u/SomeSamples Jan 15 '25
Someone needs to put up the population growth graph and the total number of babies born in the 1950's vs. now. No such thing a declining population at this point in time.
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u/CholetisCanon Jan 15 '25
How would he know? He's a deadbeat dad who creates fake profiles to praise himself with.
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u/blklab16 Jan 15 '25
You send them to the mines, of course! Theyāre perfect for getting into the small tunnels where the unreachable and undiscovered treasures are.
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u/DayFinancial8206 Jan 15 '25
Coming from the man who doesn't father his army of children and has more money than a human can reasonably spend
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u/knightress_oxhide āļø Tax The Billionaires Jan 15 '25
musk will pass away on one of the many islands he owns before any of this is a problem for him
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u/FBPOS Jan 15 '25
Kids? In this world? Living oneās own life is hardly affordable. Each of my kids do not plan to have children. I support their decisions even though it will end our family name. The future just looks worse.
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u/NeoSniper Jan 15 '25
A little above 2 per woman seems like a perfectly fine amount. If it was up to 60's/70's amount of 4 or 5 kids per woman (if I'm reading the chart correctly) we'd double the population of the planet each generation... and THAT sounds like a disaster.
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u/BdubH Jan 15 '25
I have zero interest in raising kids because Iām not sure they would be able to live a full and fulfilling life in the environment of today. Food insecurity, widespread deterioration of education, the lack of healthcare accessibility, you canāt even get a damn house with two bedrooms anymore for a price that wouldnāt involve seeing a kidney
I want kids a lot, badly even, but I donāt want them to live in such an environment that seems so hostile to everyone and everything in it. I can barely afford to live myself at the moment, how could I do that with more mouths to feed? And if they get sick thatāll bankrupt me
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u/e_man11 Jan 15 '25
Honestly, fewer children means the oligarchs will have to contribute more of their wealth to social welfare, since there won't be enough income tax. Don't fall for this BS propaganda.
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u/manu144x Jan 15 '25
This is like communist Romania when our precious dictator made raising the population increase a state policy. Banned abortion and every contraceptive possible, condoms, pills, everything, and the secret service would even go to the hospital in case a woman was under suspicion of abortion. Also women had to go to the doctor once a month and check if they were pregnant.
Thenā¦on the other sideā¦there were not enough kindergartens, there were not enough nurseries, there was barely any paid leave. And yes the government expected women to work too, youād need a good reason not to work and get papers.
So in the end everyone relied on grandparents or some people simply abandoned some children in orphanages. Which you all heard about probably.
Because of that trauma now we have the highest maternity leave in the world I think, 2 years fully paid at 85% of your salary.
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u/LastStand4000 Jan 15 '25
All research shows that having children makes you unhappier on average. All of it.
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u/Pod_people Jan 15 '25
The low birthrate crisis is already baked in the cake for many countries. We're too poor, too busy to raise kids. We can't afford houses big enough to house kids. I make just enough to survive. I will neither get married nor have kids.
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u/Low_Presentation8149 Jan 15 '25
People won't. That's why the 2025 project includes banning all abortion and contraception.
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u/dalehitchy Jan 15 '25
Having kids is rewarding (albeit tiring) but if people like Musk are telling us to have kids I absolutely wouldn't. I absolutely detest the guy. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers dropped even further because of musks encouragement.
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u/TheCopyKater Jan 15 '25
Worlds most divorced man who's hated by several of his kids says, "Kids are awesome"
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u/Difficult-Worker62 Jan 15 '25
As someone who use to work 70-80 hours a week, and now only does between 40-60 hours a week I will not go back to just working and sleeping. Itās absolutely hell on youāre body and mind
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u/Daimakku1 Jan 15 '25
Yes, have more babies! We need more serfs to clean our toilets, I-I mean.. babies are cute! -these billionaire assholes
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u/SoulSkrix Jan 15 '25
We are overpopulated anyway. I would welcome a generation or two with much less children, sadly it places a burden with seniors making up most of the population.
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u/Songbird_85 Jan 15 '25
How many times do we need to remind them that half of us canāt even afford child care, let alone food, clothes, insurance etc for said child? Iām a single mom of a 12 yr old boy and about to start sellin off organs on the black market to pay to feed the little bottomless pit. No fuckin way could I afford to still pay childcare on top of it. When the income cap for any sort of assistance is 25k a year, that leaves a lot of us too poor to live but not poor enough for help.
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u/coffeejn Jan 15 '25
You're supposed to give birth at work and keep working while the new born will also start working right away to boost production. /s
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u/lrerayray Jan 15 '25
Does anybody here really think he has time for 12 kids? And work at 3 companies? And being as annoying as he is?
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u/thejameshawke Jan 15 '25
He really is gaslighting people into having more children so he can have workers for his factories? He is a ghoul.
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u/BlindBeard Jan 15 '25
Donāt forget Elon is a weird pro natalist and heās got twelve kids with three different women.
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u/JohnCasey3306 Jan 15 '25
I totally get why people aren't having kids, but he's not wrong on this one; demographic collapse is a ticking time bomb that more countries are facing in the next 20-40 years than aren't.
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u/The_Original_Miser Jan 15 '25
Good luck Elmo. I don't have kids. If I had his wealth and handlers, *maybe* I'd be happy having kids. But I would actually raise them instead of shuffling them off to some staff member, and using the one with unicode characters as a human shield. But whatever.
However, I don't have that kind of wealth nor time. Society isn't built IMHO currently for having kids. Elon isn't making it any better. So I'm not shocked people aren't having kids.
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u/qualmton Jan 15 '25
No one wants the equivalent of a mortgage payment for a child when they can't even afford a mortgage? I'm shocked
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Jan 15 '25
I feel like economists have never taken a basic ecology class. This population trend looks like a species reaching its resource maximum.
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u/SyerenGM Jan 15 '25
Where did Musk mention the 80 hour work week? I have seen it from other idiot CEOs but didn't see him mention it.
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u/SavvyTraveler10 Jan 15 '25
Great! Muskrat going to fund aspiring young people to have families or what?
Iāve dreamt of becoming a father my entire lifeā¦ now as a 36m with an amazing gf of 7yrs, have no wish to bring a child into this cruel world. Where basic human rights are no longer a given, education for my child is looking like the fkn bible and healthcare is simply for filthy rich people. Ps, I make $1m gross /yr and STILL have these opinions.
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u/TimAppleCockProMax69 Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
Breaking news, CEO wants us to make more workers! š¤Æ
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u/ShwiftyShmeckles Jan 15 '25
Why do republicans have this weird complex with pumping out as many babies as possible but then have 0 accountability or plan for the children they're demanding to be made. Not to mention they want to pay the vast majority of these new people being born less then a livable wage so wtf?
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u/Thunderchief646054 Jan 15 '25
Oh noooooo not as many bodies to throw into the mega corp grinder? Shucks
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u/snaysler Jan 15 '25
Nothing will make you happier????
Musk's children ducking despise him! xD
They constantly berate him for being an evil man child.
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u/MeaningSilly Jan 15 '25
So, in the 1960s, there was an average of 7 live births per woman?
My grandparents were considered pretty prolific, and they only had 5 live births (and something like 7 miscarriages).
This seems like it might be less than accurate data.
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Jan 16 '25
Man... when will we stop ranting on the internet and do something about it.....Ā
They are like 1% of the population if that... let's rise up its that simple. No one wants to sacrifice for the greater good we all got too comfortable with western life.Ā
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u/ADelacour Jan 16 '25
Only a certain group of people should have kids. The rest of us should rot in he- I mean should stay in factories amd offices for the corporate overlords.
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u/Vadermort Jan 16 '25
Says the guy who ignores and disowns his own children. A man so miserable he had to buy the town square to hear people sing his praises. And when that wasn't enough, he bought the whole damn town.
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u/SanLucario Jan 16 '25
> Kids are awesome!
Says the good-for-nothing father that disowned his daughter over the slightest disagreement.
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u/Prehistory_Buff Jan 16 '25
Correct, there aren't enough babies, Elon. And you have proposed absolutely zero rational solutions to the problem.
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u/gonebonanza Jan 16 '25
Elon sees his kid once a month for a photoshoot proving heās the dad soā¦
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u/Chopaholick Jan 16 '25
Double my salary and I'll consider it. I don't want my hypothetical wife working if we have kids. Oh and Medicare for all would be nice.
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u/GoodtimesSans Jan 16 '25
It's also a case of "we've been pushing the debt onto the young workforce for decades now, and if their dwindling numbers don't catch up, this entire house of cards will crumble into dust. "
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u/frozen-baked Jan 17 '25
The expectation is that kids will learn about work and join their parents working at a young age. Exemptions and vouchers for home school should take care of that pesky compulsory education thing.
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u/merRedditor āļø Prison For Union Busters Jan 15 '25
Between this and the "How long can you stare at your wife?" L&T CEO guy, the takeaway is that the workforce should be exclusively men, and they should never go home except to impregnate their wives, who should just be home all day with children who will never know their fathers.
It's the perfect capitalist slave labor machine.