r/WorkReform • u/zzill6 đ€ Join A Union • 1d ago
đ« GENERAL STRIKE đ« They scared you with "Socialism" while American Capitalism robbed you blind.
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u/kcox1980 1d ago
They were never afraid Socialism was going to take anything from them. They were afraid it was going to give something to someone they believed didn't deserve it.
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u/EZ_Breezy1997 1d ago
But...but...but if you're giving someone something that means it's being taken from someone else! Muh taxes!! đ
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u/Ill_Technician3936 1d ago
Being on medicare I've asked a few people if they think it's fair that I don't have to deal with medical expenses while they have to pay for insurance and pay copays. I'm surprised because they think it's okay but they aren't okay with everyone getting free healthcare.
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u/EZ_Breezy1997 1d ago
That's definitely a common trend, nobody would deny someone they know the right to be able to have affordable healthcare or the right to be able to live comfortably. The problem becomes when they imagine the "other", a mysterious and untrustworthy figure that is seen as a leech for being able to benefit from the system.
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u/pleasedothenerdful 1d ago
That "other" doesn't even exist except in the propaganda they keep sucking down.
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u/28er58pp4uwg 1d ago
Divide and conquer. Mass media, sozial media, both parties and big corporations did a phenomenal job in that regard.
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u/teetering_bulb_dnd 1d ago
In the end it's always about racism. Reagan ran his entire campaign based on vile racist bs about "welfare queen" a black lady from Chicago..
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u/69edleg 1d ago edited 1d ago
Obligatory I don't live in the US, but nonetheless it is relevant.
I have friends who piss and moan about people "leeching taxes" and "just playing video games". Those people? People like me, who are medically disabled. Retired due to health issues.
My passtime is video games, when I'm not in pain and mental distress. The one thing I have left except rarely meeting with friends on the good days where I can also muster the courage to leave my flat.
I don't abandon them because their beliefs either, any time such a discussion sparks I butt in
"oh, like me?"
"nono, your situation is different"
I understand they don't want people to be FAKING a disability get money, but what they're advocating for would be every man for himself, and that's a piss poor society. Also - the fake disabled people are few and far between, and any measures they advocate for to "fix" the issue would punish the real people as well (who are vastly larger in numbers than the people who managed to fake it long enough).
I've never had much in life, but what little I have, I am eager to share. A friend became homeless? He can live with me until he gets a new place (about 8 months it took for him to get back on his feet, and now he has a family). I had my bedroom and he had my living room.
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u/Geminel 1d ago
I would say to further your point, even if some percentage of the population who were perfectly capable of working found themselves in a situation where they could just decide not to... Why is that so bad? There's 8-billion+ people on this planet, we don't need every single one of them slaving-away on an assembly line in order for society to function; especially not as technology advances.
I'm in a similar situation. Disabled, and could probably do some kinds of work, but it's a lot more difficult for me, and my disability income allows me to choose not to.
Most people in a situation like this don't just want to be a lump on a couch, though. We still look for ways to explore our hobbies and passions, and contribute to the communities that exist around those things. I've been exploring game development with my free time, and am recently considering getting more involved in real meat-space political activism; for my part.
Nobody can spend 16 hours a day just watching TV every single day for their whole life, we're social creatures with an inherent drive to want to be part of something. Eventually we get tired of watching other people's stories and start wanting to make our own.
A person following their earnest passion because they have the time and freedom to do so is always going to be more of a benefit to any field of study, or hobby, or industry than a person who's only participating in it for a paycheck. Very few of us are blessed enough to bridge that gap by finding paying work in a field we're passionate about.
This idea that not being full-time employed by some big corporation is somehow a personal defect is entirely pushed on us by the owners of these big corporations, I think.
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u/69edleg 1d ago
I hate what my life is, but I've accepted that it is this. I will never progress to reach my dreams, unless I have a distant relative who somehow wills it all to me. But I have come to terms with it. I have one life and this is it, eh. Might as well see it through to it's fullest extent.
Or the one of 4 scratch cards I buy every year suddenly make me a millionaire.
I WANT to work some, earn my own money, hopefully more than on benefits. But in all honesty, my physical and mental problems in combination really only allow me to work for 2-3 hours every day or two. That does not make a living. And no one would employ me in the first place.
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u/Less-Procedure-4104 1d ago
Sorry to bother you , these ara real questions. I thought you had to pay for Medicare plans? Is this not true ? you just get covered at 65?
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u/Ill_Technician3936 1d ago
I may be on Medicaid then. Lol. I think you may be right about medicare.
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u/Z0idberg_MD 1d ago
âIâd rather die of thirst letting a rich white man drink all the water than allow someone with brown skin have a single sipâ
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u/Karma_1969 1d ago
Yup. I call it âvindictive conservatismâ - someone somewhere is getting something that they donât deserve, and they must be stopped at all costs. What a pathetic way to be a civilized human being.
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u/_Cromwell_ 1d ago
Which was again Capitalism..... the American idea that nobody is poor or middle-class or working class, but instead that everybody instead is just "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" (credit to John Steinbeck) so it is in everybody's best interest to act (when voting, etc) like a rich person and not a working class person, and choose to promote the interests of the rich... because someday that will be you.
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u/_MrGreenGenes_ 1d ago
Not quite. It's the idea that whether somebody is rich or poor it's because they deserve it. Taxing the rich is taking away what they justly deserve, punishing success and superior acumen. Helping the poor is rewarding laziness and stupidity. To a conservative person it's literally fighting in vain against the natural order of the universe and only invites problems, chaos and perhaps even divine retribution.
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u/_Cromwell_ 1d ago
Because they have been told and come to believe that they are a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. So as their years tick by and they don't get to that "rightful" place, they blame somebody... and yeah many end up blaming their fellow workers. As they have been taught to.
I see it more as the evil and corrupt influence of a terrible system on dumb people. In the end we're talking about the same thing, BUT I see blaming stuff on rural/poor/working-class conservatives for their stupid-ass views as a similar issue to their looking down and blaming minorities for perceived slights. Working class people aren't the bad guys. (But often end up being tools of the bad guys.)
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u/RedditTurnedMediocre 1d ago
Ding ding ding.
You want to know why they're against healthcare for everyone? Not because it's cheaper and guaranteed to lower healthcare costs. They know that. But because it's going to cover everyone. That's the part they don't like. In their world it's helping people they don't like so they're willing to make the whole system worse.
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u/EEPspaceD 1d ago
The part they don't like is it frees people to leave a shit job without losing their and their family's access to medicine. Healthcare being tied to employment turns employees into hostages.
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u/RingWraith75 đ ïž IBEW Member 1d ago
Nah youâre giving them too much credit. They donât even know what socialism is. Itâs simply a scary boogeyman buzzword to them.
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u/spookyjibe 1d ago
That's not right; the rich see every service provided to regular people as something they don't want to pay for. The richest in society have always been fighting against services and wealth-building of the lower-middle classes since the dawn of history. They need subservience and desperate workers; any kind of social program takes away from that and they see that as unfair. The rich mostly believe they are truly entitled to everyone groveling to them for their money, especially workers.
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u/CementCemetery 1d ago
Iâve heard the argument that it would not have any room for exceptionalism. I think you can be exceptional at something but also down on your luck and our current system doesnât favor those people often. You canât get a loan, you canât feed your kids, you canât afford child care, summer camps and definitely canât afford to save for college. We would rather take food out of the mouths of children than provide for them. âIt takes a villageâ is an old saying but one we will not listen to or take to heart.
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u/Red_Bullion 1d ago edited 1d ago
Capitalism wastes exceptional talent on profiteering instead of improving society. It operates under the assumption that the most profitable thing will also improve society the most, but I think it's pretty clear by now this assumption is laughable
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u/CementCemetery 1d ago
Well said. They wonât believe that point because to them the money motivates people or you will be recognized for it if âyouâre good enoughâ which is a falsehood.
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u/Cableperson 1d ago
So fucking stupid it hurts. You all don't trust the government, so the answer is to allow them to own everything and control everything. Fuck that.
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u/RedditTurnedMediocre 1d ago
Ding ding ding.
You want to know why a majority of conservatives are against healthcare for everyone? Not because it's cheaper and guaranteed to lower healthcare costs. They know that. But because it's going to cover everyone. That's the part they don't like. In their world it's helping people they want to hurt, and they're willing to cut off their nose to spite their face
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u/FardoBaggins 1d ago
Like other immigrants and people that do not look like the in group males?
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u/MudlarkJack 1d ago
sorry you must be young if you believe that. The socialism fear mongering has gone on for my 6 decades and includes fear of "take"
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u/kcox1980 1d ago
Not too far behind you old timer. They frame it like it's "taking" from them, but it's never a problem as long as it goes to somebody they feel deserves it.
They don't have a problem with social security when it goes to retired people because they say they "earned it", but when it's a 24yr old mentally disabled person, "well they're just being lazy"
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u/MudlarkJack 1d ago
I agree it's all about the framing ...so many socialist programs are embraced if they are not labelled socialist . But the irrational fear of things labeled socialist goes beyond simple xenophobia
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u/Jynovas 1d ago
Don't worry, they'll come for those guns as soon as they can figure out how to spin it so people just hand them over.
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u/Micosilver Jeff Bezos Alt Account 1d ago
A couple of false flags of minorities rising up against the tyranny will do the trick.
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u/bayazglokta 1d ago edited 1d ago
'Trump needs your guns so he can shoot the libs, bring 'em now' /s
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u/JesterMan491 1d ago
oh thats easy:
a few weeks/months of economic recession, mass layoffs from all sectors of business, spiking prices on everything,
and then once everyone is incredibly broke and cant afford necessities,
the gov't will buy your firearms for a (relatively) high price, and people will be throwing them at the govt. in order to get a few grand5
u/PaulBlartFleshMall 1d ago
They're speedrunning civil unrest so they can label the resultant protestors as 'terrorists' and everyone who wants to afford them constitutional due process 'terrorist supporters.' That's how they'll come for our 2nd.
Martial law is obviously where he's heading, then he deputizes all of the right wing militias that have been organizing over the past two decades, they overstep repeatedly and start killing the opposition en masse without any formal resistance. Nobody stands up to them because they have the full backing of the US Military, local lawyers, doctors, and sheriffs (as proven above - seriously, click that link). Trump has already tried to introduce a carte blanche death penalty for anyone who kills a cop, he'll probably extend that protection to any deputized maga. Elon and Thiel use every weapon at their disposal to expel troublemakers from online spaces and general society. Public education is finally defeated, and an entire generation of Americans grows up with nothing but the guiding hand of twitter dot com and their factory job sewing polyester.
Bingo Bango, full blown end stage fascism.
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u/Adezar 1d ago
Fox News and OAN will explain how it is the Patriotic thing to hand all your guns in so that the RADICAL LEFT can't steal them because they don't own any guns right now but they want to steal them from REAL AMERICANS, so let Trump hold onto them for safety.
They'll rush to get them to official "Protect your Guns from the RADICAL LEFT DEMONCRATS" Drop-off centers.
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u/punk_rancid 1d ago
"Oh, but at least i can talk shit about the government." Yeah, you can talk shit but still nothing changes.
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u/porklomaine 1d ago
You cant talk shit about the government. They will use the entirety of the media to conflate supporting Palestinian civilians with supporting hamas and let half the country believe you are supporting terrorism. Even left leaning news outlets are falling for it.
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u/muskisanazi 1d ago
Not on Reddit you can't. I've been banned for talking about Luigi (that's why this account is only days old)
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u/Lord_Nivloc 1d ago
They will literally cancel your visa and deport you for talking shit about the government.Â
Next will be someone else.
And then itâll be your turn.Â
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u/FakeSafeWord 1d ago
leaving you only your racism, xenophobia, hate, & guns.
That means I'm only left with my guns...
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u/LastStand4000 1d ago edited 1d ago
Reagan is responsible. His "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" line and policies destroyed so many brains and started a generation of "gubment bad" idiots. As if profiteering corporations and shareholders have your best interests in mind more than your government, at least before all these rabid MAGA lunatics took hold of it.
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u/fka_2600_yay 1d ago
Reagan implemented the first Heritage Foundation's "Project 19XX" under the title "A Mandate for Conserative Leadership": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Leadership#History Just like Orange, Reagan was a figurehead for extremely wealthy individuals and their corporate interests to crush organized labor, gut unions, profiteer on healthcare + real estate, etc.
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u/Snoo_70324 1d ago
Oh, good! The guns are safe.
Well, I mean, not safe, but⊠you know what I mean
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u/enviropsych 1d ago
And people are so afraid of "taxes" that if you hide those taxes in your consumer purchases through tariffs, many don't seem to mind.
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u/DDRaptors 1d ago
I mean, these people think making more money is a bad thing because they pay more tax. Completely ignoring the fact they also have more cash afterwards too.Â
Literally be okay with being poorer just so the gubment doesnât get more tax money. Itâs absurd.
cue a reply that explains that they donât actually make more by working more while completely fumbling how tax brackets actually work.
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u/facw00 1d ago edited 1d ago
Capitalism (though it might be a bit unfair to Capitalism to label the current administration Capitalist) also seems to be doing a pretty good job rolling back freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, and freedom of religion, among other freedoms and legal rights.
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u/Rownever 1d ago
Oh they are very much so capitalists. Capitalism capitulates to fascism because the capitalists think it will make them money
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u/beemindme 1d ago
They are passing laws and EO's that are unconstitutional and actively dismantling a system that is supposed to protect against this very thing.
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u/Kerboviet_Union 1d ago
The ok buddy moment all of you seem to be avoiding is that both parties are fucking you over.
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u/Squirrel_Inner 1d ago
We could change the system ourselves. Besides for the fact that if we united under a party for the people, THEY would become the "third party," there's also the Represent Us anti-corruption bill.
We don't have to wait for our elected officials to do this. We can use voter-lead ballot initiates and recall lawmakers who oppose it. Of course, for states that have neither, civil resistance is the only option.
https://peoplespartyus.substack.com/p/defeating-goliath?r=2lkf6n
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u/Wise_Mongoose_3930 1d ago
Non-voters outnumbered Trump and Kamala voters in 49 states. Would be great if yaâll would get politically active and be the change you wanna see, instead of pretending to be morally superior while you sit on the couch watching TV instead.
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u/aPrussianBot 1d ago
Nothing will ever change as long as people still make excuses for the Democrats and put a single shred of hope in them. They are not incompetent, they are complicit, and once these fucking idiot libs stop neurotically caping for them, then MAYBE we'll be able to get something off the ground
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u/HabitualEagerness 1d ago
Socialism means that people canât hoard wealth and the richest amongst us have spent unlimited wealth in making sure we stay stupid and poor.
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u/DrinkH20mo 1d ago
We were never free. Our time was not ours to choose how we spent it. The only choice we had was which job we spent our lives toiling away at to put food on the table.
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u/InsertNovelAnswer 1d ago
It's because most of us have always been clinging onto scraps. The fears that were brought on about Socialism was that even those scraps would be gone. Policies on universal healthcare took our "benefits" which are all we work for because wages are so scarce. "Free university" would only train those without degrees and soon middle aged and older people wouldn't be able to compete because as degree holders we would get no help retraining and keeping up. Meanwhile, we have no retirement and have a fear that social security won't be there as a net.
The devil we know has always been seen as a better option than the one we don't. We are desperate to clinch onto whatever we can to get by. Desperate people do crazy things.
I have 2 degrees and 28 years of work experience. I make 28900/year after taxes. My generation is doomed and it's hard to acknowledge that and turn to maybe we can save the younger generations.
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u/RecentGas 1d ago
If things keep trending towards Authoritarianism, I don't think they'll have their guns much longer.
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u/Available_Leather_10 1d ago
He left off religion.
Bitter clingers have their guns and their religions.
âŠoh, waitâŠhe did include âhateâ.
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u/TravelledFarAndWide 1d ago
And as long as their hatred for their fellow Americans is greater than their hunger, they'll continue to support Trump and the Republicans. Even when they lose their house, their retirement savings, their social security they'll blame immigrants, the left, everything else.
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u/nonlinear_nyc 1d ago
Oligarchs priced out Americans of the chance to raise offspring.
Americans literally canât afford passing their genes.
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u/Computermaster 1d ago
Unfortunately too many people are perfectly "happy" with only having their racism, xenophobia, hate, and guns.
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u/MaternitySignpost 1d ago
talking to my parents has made me realize that we literally just have to to wait until the cold war generations are done. they agree with every single policy you lay out but as soon as you say socialism or communism they lose their fucking minds. the USSR wasnât even a socialist country!!!! they were an oligarchy that used a revolution as a piggyback to just insert themselves as the new ruling class
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u/early_birdy 1d ago
It sounds like a social experiment. A bit like the vaults in Fallout. Except with a country. History books of the future will be wildly interesting to students.
Student: They did what?
Teacher: Yes. And they elected the same guy 4 years later.
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u/TiredEsq 1d ago
Nobody is considering the real problem: older people are already receiving or accruing pensions, social security, etc. They will be grandfathered in to everything and feel no pain. The Trumpers who will feel the pain donât know it yet - because they donât need a pension, social security, etc. So it doesnât affect them either. Yelling the tweet from the rooftops to them would mean nothing because they donât see it now.
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u/hombregato 1d ago
That sounds like right wing fear of socialism, but if we're talking about current events, Democrats were the ones instilling fears the hardest in a successful effort to stop Bernie Sanders.
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u/CrumbsAndCarrots 1d ago edited 1d ago
Pretty much the most apt summary there is for the state of affairs in the United States.
And the crazier thing is all the immigrants coming here, legally or illegally are exploited for cheap laborâŠ. for Wall Street. Factory farms, farms, factories, meat processing, house keeping, restaurants etc etc. While Wall Street (mostly/only) courts the GOP for less regulations and lower taxes. For which the GOP runs their platform on. âLess taxes and less regulations get passed down to you! Also fuck a living wage!â
And now what? Suddenly the free market is bad? Suddenly we need to bring manufacturing back to the United States? To be powered and operated by a population that has zero preparation for factory work? This policy is the type of shit you hear 3am in a po-dunk bar by drunk as hell Ned, bill, and Travis.
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u/disappointedfuturist 1d ago
Shame you can't just take them by the shoulders and shake the ever living hell out each and every person that doesn't see how they are getting robbed till they get it.
Tax the rich, the other option is inhumane.
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u/Interanal_Exam 1d ago
Several recent U.S. presidents have signed gun control legislation:
Joe Biden (2022) â Signed the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, the first major gun reform law in decades. It strengthened background checks for young buyers, provided funding for mental health programs, closed the "boyfriend loophole" to prevent domestic abusers from purchasing guns, and encouraged states to implement red flag laws. However, it did not include a ban on assault weapons or universal background checksâ.
Donald Trump (2018) â Signed a law that banned bump stocks, which allow semi-automatic weapons to fire rapidly like machine guns. The ban came in response to the 2017 Las Vegas mass shootingâ.
Barack Obama (2013) â Issued executive actions expanding background checks and improving mental health reporting after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. However, attempts to pass broader gun control measures, like an assault weapons ban, failed in Congressâ.
Bill Clinton (1993 & 1994) â Signed the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, which required background checks for gun buyers, and the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which included a 10-year ban on assault weapons (expired in 2004)â.
George H.W. Bush (1989) â Used executive authority to ban the import of certain semi-automatic rifles after a school shooting in Californiaâ.
Lyndon B. Johnson (1968) â Signed the Gun Control Act of 1968 following the assassinations of John F. Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, and Martin Luther King Jr. The law restricted firearm sales and ownership for felons and the mentally illâ.
These laws reflect how gun policy changes have often followed major acts of gun violence in the U.S.
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u/Sufficient-Will3644 1d ago
The sports, the bands, the booze
Itâs all thatâs left of you
When the cops and the courts refuse
To confess the sins of the few,
What is there left to do?
The answerâs there, right before your eyes:
Rise
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u/zenrem 1d ago
I have savings, not in debt, my job is necessary everywhere, a lot of these things people just caused themselves. Only a couple things are dependent on the country as a whole, and that comes down to the majority vote.
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u/no_fooling 1d ago
If you use your capital to hire labor to make you money and you support capitalism, makes sense.
If you trade your labor to capital to make money and support capitalism, you're an idiot.
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u/Forward_Location_766 1d ago
American capitalism, note that. As a European I donât recognize any of it (except tragically rising xenophobia and hate â fueled by American social media)
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u/1_Pump_Dump 1d ago
Yeah having guns while staring down capitalist tyranny is such a terrible thing. /s It best to let the state have a monopoly on force.
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u/ItsmeWillyP 1d ago
You can do a lot with guns, though, like overthrowing a system that's not working for you.
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u/clewing1 1d ago
Itâs unfathomable to me how so many âaverageâ citizens enthusiastically vote against their own interests.
The convoluted rationalizations required to collude with those who only seek to extract what meagre resources they have from them simply escape me.
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u/thexraptor 1d ago
Fortunately for us, guns and hatred will be valuable tools moving forward when pointed at the right people. So it's good they at least left us with that.
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u/Exact_Cardiologist87 1d ago
I still have a savings, still have a job, still have health-care through the job, still have no debt, still not racist, still don't hate anyone. Life is still completely normal.
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u/abeFromansAss 1d ago
Well, guns for now anyways. Once the entire US population is blanket affected by this shit, the gun will have to go.
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u/AmishTechHelp 1d ago
The 1% use culture wars to incite the 99% to fight each other while the 1% laughs at us all the way to the bank.
Capitalism is over; we're returning to feudalism with billionaire lords and impoverished serfs.
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u/LobsterOfViolence 1d ago
That's not entirely true. Me and my high school degree do pretty good for ourselves and I make a lot of money in our capitalist society.
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u/GhettoGringo87 1d ago
I think most conservatives would sign on to socialism if we believed it would actually work as intended. We know what socialism leads to, and by human nature, itâs only a matter of time until everyone has a really low standard of living. If we believe that humans in power would do whatâs right for the people, weâd sign up! Itâs not that we donât want deserving individuals to get the help they need, we know that theyâll only get a fraction of what they should be getting while the money jar âtrickles downâ the hands of the government, with each little hand taking a little out of the jar until it gets to those who need it, with only 5% of the original amount actually reaching those who need it.
Thatâs what republicans are afraid of. Yâall should at least know what youâre fighting againstâŠ
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u/Fitzy564 1d ago
Magatards be like âI donât trust the market so this doesnât affect meâ đ€Ą đ€Ą
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u/Disastrous_Cookie_74 1d ago
Immigrants are doing all the jobs we didn't want! They are also taking all the houses we didn't want, the hospital beds, the school places and the benefits we didn't want. đ„°
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u/Acrobatic_Cry9742 1d ago
I think our capitalism is being exploited yes, but socialism is just as easy or easier to exploit. Whatever the system, people have to be aware and act to create a better place to live, rather than finding looop holes and playing the money code.
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u/Swimming-Food-9024 1d ago
most red blooded Americans wonât even possess the cognitive function to comprehend these self-evident truthsâŠ
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u/DrAstralis 1d ago
its also looking to take the same freedoms you were afraid socialism was coming for.. sooo.... good luck with that.
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u/charlesgptrump 1d ago
Ahh yes. Brought to you by the people that abort living children with zero moral resolve.
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u/akotlya1 1d ago
In fairness to guns, they are going to get a lot more useful soon when you have to fight right wing militias for resources in the wasteland.
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u/RawIsWarDawg 1d ago
You're posing the question "Would you rather be free, or have enough money to happily support yourself?"
That's not like, an easy question to answer. I wouldn't blame anyone for picking either side on that debate.
I don't know why you're acting like the answer is obvious.
Also, I'm not poor, didn't give a shit about social security, my pension has nothing to do with the government, so I guess I got my freedom and got to keep my money?
You presented a false dichotomy, so when I break it, suddenly I have the best of both worlds, despite backing the guy/side you're trying to portray as wrong.
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u/Nancyblouse 1d ago
Racism, xenophobia, hate and guns are the top five food groups of a healthy society
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u/TwoWords-SomeNumbers 1d ago
You have no idea what capitalism vs socialism is if you think it has anything to do with what weâre going through right now
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u/agnostic_science 1d ago
It's funny how this was true before Trump got elected. And how Trump made all those things just so much worse.
Except maybe long-term factory jobs in the US. But, do we really want iphone factories to be built in the US? Last I heard they had to put nets outside the plants in China because the workers were trying to kill themselves too much. So, not exactly a good thing, either.
Also, Trump went about bringing those jobs back to the US in the worst way possible. He kicked out a major source of construction labor to build the factories and we don't have the training or investment in place yet. So all that will happen in the short-term is prices will go up and people will lose jobs.
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u/Carpet_Blaze 1d ago
Didn't we send jobs over seas exactly because of there being no tariffs to combat the cheap slave labor the communist countries could offer?
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u/kinlopunim 1d ago
Dont forget they justify it by saying "under socialism this would have been worse."
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u/H_I_McDunnough 1d ago
To be fair, the other three are much more fun with the guns. So we got that going for us, which is nice. /sadcasm
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u/jimmyzambino 1d ago
Remember folks..
9 out of 10 times, the capitalists will side with the fascists as they rise to power..
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u/Glittering_Owl_poop âïž Tax The Billionaires 1d ago
Shelon, Bozo, Suckerberg and the rest of them need to go. Take back our country from these oligarchs! Tax them into oblivion.
PAY US BACK! Tesla, Starlink, Space X were all built on the subsidies from the US Taxpayers. Shelon's the largest welfare queen ever. Also, Amazon and so many more. No more bailouts either! There's no such thing as too big to fail.
Everyone needs to demand that any company receiving bailouts, subsidies, or grants pay back any and all $$ before shareholders or leadership bonuses.
Impeach/ recall all "elected officials" who are enabling this administration--REP/DEM both! (if you can)Â Remind them who they work for! Protest them daily and hourly at their offices. Make life as difficult and uncomfortable for them as possible. Schedule town meetings and demand they attend, if they don't, move ahead with a recall process.
We need to resist in ways both large and small. Any of you who come into contact with any of these people in the course of your day, do your best to make it uncomfortable for them. Of course, save your most petty ideas for those higher up the chain. I'm sure you can think of something. We need to remind everyone associated with this mess that they live in society with the rest of us.
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u/pocketjacks 1d ago
Not only sent your jobs overseas, then taxed you for the fruits of that overseas labor.
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u/doobie042 1d ago
Just logged into my 401k.... I'm still up 7,000% from what I've put in it. Only down 3% this year.
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u/InternetPharaoh 1d ago
Don't say "American Capitalism" - just say "Capitalism". It's even in the post.
You don't need to redefine, justify, or contextualize anything, and doing so only hurts everyone.
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u/LizzyLemonn 1d ago
I know you want to hope that there's an answer to the world's problems and that its socialism but politicians would make your life absolute hell under socialism. If you think its bad now, just know it would get so much worse. There's no politician in this world that wouldn't get a God complex under socialism. The issue is awful people not capitalism. The world is full of awful, angry, power hungry people.
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u/ToMDorNotToMD2025 1d ago
Scary words win elections, Democrats don't tend to sink to the name calling, but that is what wins elections. It sucks that it is that way
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u/Business-Glass-1381 1d ago
Yes! This is perfectly me except I still have my freedom. And my pension. And my savings. And my job. And my doctor. And I love everything including my guns.
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u/Electrical-Tie-5158 1d ago
Donât worry, thereâll be some socialism when the government takes our money to bail out the farmers they bankrupted through the policies those farmers voted for.
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u/FakeUsername1942 1d ago
Well hold on a few people became billionaires and took control, with a goal to be trillionaires
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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste 1d ago
Yeah okay, but guns are, like, ... the most important thing.
Because how else are you gonna rise up against a government that steals your pension, takes your savings, sends your jobs overseas, robs you of health care, dismantles the educational system and puts you in debt? Well, not this government obviously, but if another Marxist like Obama came along, then we would. We definitely would. /s
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u/Unlikely_Commentor 1d ago
The same people cheering this meme are posting on their facebook about how damaging tariffs are while not understanding the irony.....
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u/ShhhKeepHidden 1d ago
Racism, xenophobia, hate & guns.
Throw in ATVs and boats, et voilĂ ! Lake Havasu City, Arizona!
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u/KishiHime 1d ago
Actually guns are next, turns out the right is actually the ones who are anti-freedom, and the TRUE left is actually the side that is about freedom. So fully expect to have your guns outlawed and removed before you get a chance to use them to protect yourself from Fascism, after all they are registered right? They know where your guns live.
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u/DoNotCommentorReply 1d ago
I just give up in regards to guns. Nothing is going to change. Their arguments are dogshit and a totalitarian government is here, wondering where the pistol petes are.
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u/RuleInformal5475 1d ago
The fear mongering of socialism has worked. It worked so well that we have extreme capitalism. CEO salaries being inflated so much, but those companies haven't produced the same multiplier effect. It is all down to underpaying the working class.
And there will be people saying that a CEO is more important than a cashier and so should be compensated more. The only reason that CEO has a company that works is the people that are being underpaid to keep his company profitable. Anyone can be a CEO. It is just making shit decisions. Working on the floor and dealing with customers is the harder gig.
I hope we get a fairer system where everyone is paid better. Then we won't have these wealth extremes and greed that fucks with everyone's lives.
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u/StringSlinging 1d ago
The amount of people Iâve spoken to who are 100% convinced the state of the US right now is the fault of socialism goes to show how effective the US propaganda machine is.
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u/SuitableStudy3316 1d ago
Example #1000 that Republicans would gladly eat shit as long as a librul would have to smell it on their breath. The top 1% has stolen $80 trillion from the 99% since 1975. But god forbid a boy goes to the girl's bathroom.
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u/blurkcheckadmin 1d ago
That's what kicked off WW2, too. Nazis, fascism, was just a way for capitalism to be "popular".
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u/NormanPlantagenet 1d ago
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u/PontificatinPlatypus 1d ago edited 1d ago
Socialism (honestly employed, which it never has been) is only bad for greedy rich people.
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u/Revolutionary-Bit-62 1d ago
The US wanted this. This is what you wanted, or you would have voted differently
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u/Thumbkeeper 1d ago
Not âCapitalismâ. Republicans
Capitalism built all that. Republicans destroyed it. Vote Democrat
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u/kevinmrr âïž Prison For Union Busters 1d ago
Billionaires are never going to give us the tools to set ourselves free. We have to take them.
Join r/WorkReform!