r/antiwork • u/Filmtwit • Feb 02 '25
Know your Worth đ Unfortunately this will NOT Change till we bring the Change that is Needed Here.
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u/TheXypris Feb 02 '25
the time to tax them was 20 years ago.
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u/seanisdown Feb 02 '25
Yup. Time to seize their assets and make them public.
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u/Count_Bacon Feb 02 '25
Break up the monopolies in every industry. They claim to love capitalism but it's not capitalism if theres no real competition
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u/souldust Feb 03 '25
They don't love competition. When someone wins at the capitalism game, they have enough money to rig the system in their favor. If they loved competition, then electric chinese cars at $30k wouldn't be taxed at %100 tariffs.
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u/Afraid-Technician-13 Feb 03 '25
I'd love the chance to buy a cheaper, better made electric vehicle than a tesla. I don't care what country it comes from. It's 2025, and our capitalist politicians are acting like it's still the cold war. I'm tired of it.
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u/Idyllic_Teddy_Bear Communist Feb 03 '25
It's not like they hate capitalism, they just have to pay his debts to whom has paid the campaign, poor folks!
YAY! DEMOCRACY!
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u/lurks-a-little Feb 03 '25
So, if the 3 formed one corporation together, Bezzuckmusk Ltd., it would be worth almost $1 Trillion only. Hmm?
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u/tm229 Feb 03 '25
Just like the orange Cheeto, these are spoiled toddlers who donât play well together. They would never give up the power they have.
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u/-Hastis- Feb 03 '25
The goal of capitalism is pretty much to gain as much capital as possible for yourself. Total monopoly is pretty much the end goal.
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u/writeonshell Feb 03 '25
Literally, that's why the game Monopoly always ends in fights and no fun for the majority of the players. It was originally called the capitalist game, and was made by a socialist who would thing bring out another version where everyone could win. Then the bad place version of it was unironically stolen practically wholesale and sold to the Hasbro brothers by someone other than the woman who created it.
Capitalism can work, but it needs regulation and taxation that is put back into the system to support the workers who create the wealth and their families and those people in society who still have value despite being unable to work. Unfettered capitalism will always lead to monopolies and monopolies will always lead to things like company towns where you only survive if you can work. Companies don't care, they can't care because they aren't a real tangible thing, and by the time someone has worked their way up to being a CEO, they no longer see people, they see numbers on a sheet and those numbers need to go up every month forever or they have failed.
Also yhe tech bros pushing replacing humans at all cost are in for a wake up call when they've replaced call centre, help desk, etc etc with AI and burger servers, bartenders etc with robots because unless a UBI is introduced (which they will protest because they'll have to be the ones funding it), no one will be able to afford their burgers, drinks, flights, so their numbers will stop going up. Unfortunately, a lot of people will die in the meantime.
Here in Australia it isn't as bad because we do at least have a minimum wage that rises every year, but not quite in line with inflation, and definitely not in line with CEO wages that have gone from 4-5X the average worker's salary up to 10-100X. I remember when the Commonwealth bank of Australia hired their first multi-million a year CEO (he was on about 3m when the average worker was on about 30k), he said he deserved it because he worked that much harder than anyone else in the company. By his logic, he apparently worked 10x harder than the leader of our country because the pm at the time was "only" on 300k (which is still disgusting when minimum wage for the rest of us was at that 30kish at the time)
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u/ascagnel____ Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
It was originally called the capitalist game, and was made by a socialist who would thing bring out another version where everyone could win.
Close, but no -- it was "The Landlord's Game", and created by a Georgist, not a socialist.
The short version of Georgism is that landlords are a net-negative drag on society and the economy, and that you neuter landlords by making them pay a land-value tax (that doesn't include the cost of any improvements).
A good example is a plot of land leased to someone who "improves" it in a legal sense, like building a factory on empty land. The tenant has taken on signficiant risk in building their factor, but taking on the risk has left them vulnerable to their landlord, who can now raise their rent until they factory is barely breaking even, because the tenant's only other choice is to abandon all of the capital they used to build the factory in the first place.
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u/Engineering-Mean Feb 02 '25
Nationalize AWS, GCP and Azure. They're utilities. If you're not a tech worker you probably don't interact with any of them directly, but every service you use is paying ridiculous rates to use them because it takes too much capital to build your own infrastructure. It's not like the feds aren't already sniffing all the data that goes through them anyway, there's literally no downside except the money they bring in could go to useful services instead.
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Feb 03 '25
it takes too much capital to build your own infrastructure
The greatest lie the devil ever told
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u/techdaddykraken Feb 03 '25
Too much capital?
You could build all of the servers that host AWS, Azure, AND Google Cloud, along with labor and property acquisitions costs, for maybe 2% of our yearly budget.
Sequential HTTP network requests run through modern CPUs is not intensive at all. AI is different. But just for hosting internet from the government as a utility paid for by taxes is 100000% feasible, and not even that costly in terms of the value you get.
You can get an Intel i9 chip $500, 32gb of DDR5 RAM for $100, and case + fan + cooling + cables for $100. Add in a few beefy SSD/HDD drives at $500 a piece for 25-50tb of storage.
All in, a single fully equipped server wouldnât run more than $5,000, and thatâs for the heavily over-engineered version that is designed to never really hit performance limits or have any major issues. Weâll say each server has 250tb storage total, and somewhere between 100-200gb RAM. Weâll add a buffer and call it $7,500 all in including setup costs.
You likely wouldnât need more than 10 million of those to power all of Americaâs sequential data needs. Again, not AI use. That would be 2.5 zetabytes total in storage space, roughly 2 exabytes of ram, and it would only cost 75 billion.
We spend far more than that on project that will have much less value.
Add in costs for property acquisition, labor, and other miscellaneous items, and we can round it to roughly 100 billion.
Hell, if we just cancel a couple of F-35 orders, we have it paid for.
That would give everyone in America free internet for life. Those servers would have negligible ongoing costs, assuming we can use hydropower and solar to help offset the energy footprint. The servers wonât need to be replaced often, given the fact that most of them will be running around the clock with professional cooling and scheduled downtime, which is an incredibly stable environment. Any servers that fail can be replaced yearly for a small fee.
This is a feasible, worthwhile, value-add project that everyone would benefit from.
So of course it will never happen.
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u/TaupMauve Feb 02 '25
We couldn't even nationalize the railroads when it mattered. It's amazing that interstates aren't privatized already.
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u/Jimid41 Feb 03 '25
You literally can't boycott those as a consumer. Nobody can "vote with their dollars" in an effort to not support aws.
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u/souldust Feb 03 '25
As Bernie Sanders pointed out, the 3 richest people in the U.S. own as much wealth as the bottom %50.
There is no way you can buy your way to a better life in that system
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u/souldust Feb 03 '25
It's not like the feds aren't already sniffing all the data that goes through them anyway
You have the paradigm backwards.
The feds are standing in line, to the customer window, with every other corporation that wants to buy your data from their networks, and is buying it from them. They don't sniff, they purchase. The government is a REACTION to, the government is a second consideration of - these power structures.
If you wanted a government that has more power than the corporations it governs, you needed to go back to the founding of this country. This country is a BUSINESS VENTURE. Virginia, the founding state, was named after the Virginia Trading Company established by the king. The government has been, since the beginning, the system that the rich use to justify their business ventures.
Please, do not for one second here think that the feds are a step ahead of these systems. no. All the power of our government is merely the PRIVILEGE of being first in line to buy our information from them.
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u/derpman86 Feb 03 '25
My work has gotten most people into 365 now as hardware costs and Microsoft licensing made it beyond insane for small businesses to host their own box any more.
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u/TKAP75 Feb 02 '25
This might get flagged but these people are only going to understand violence at this point in my opinion and are going to leverage even that to try and take more freedoms away from people
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u/Wise_Monkey_Sez Feb 03 '25
The thing is that the technologies they're using should be publicly owned. And we should have put our foot down on this issue almost a century ago. The entire internet only exists because of war-time research that was 100% funded by the tax-paying public.
The same can be said for most inventions and discoveries out there - they tend to originate in publicly funded institutions, like universities where the university researchers get (either directly or indirectly) significant funding from the tax-payer to do work that is for the public good.
Instead what happens is that the hard and expensive work of discovering something new is done using taxpayer money then companies swoop in, make some tiny changes, register it as their IP, and monetize it. It's ridiculous. Try copying something that even vaguely resembles company IP and they'll sue you into oblivion. But they take advantage of the fact that the government doesn't protect publicly funded research.
Nah. It's crazy. It's time for laws that revise our IP system and reclassify anything that was generated using public funding as belonging to the government, then charge companies for using that IP - just like a company would. All those tech billionaires who made billions from the internet? You now owe the government for every time you use anything based on internet technology.
Just like companies do.
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u/Aggravating-Tea6042 Feb 02 '25
Stocks ?
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u/SpiderManEgo Feb 02 '25
force them to sell stocks above 1bil
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Feb 02 '25
1 billion is still too much for one person to have, $100 million should be the max. You can buy basically anything you want (except for most countries), you'll never have to worry about being uncomfortable, and your family will be set up for generations with that much wealth, assuming they don't blow it on drugs and sex workers.
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u/TaxExempt Feb 03 '25
Force them to choose what assets worth $100M they want to keep and then sell the rest to the public and "burn" the proceeds.
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u/TheXypris Feb 02 '25
I wasn't going to say that because I don't want my account nuked for promoting violence.
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Feb 02 '25
It's funny that billionaires get to perform as much violence as they want on all of us all the time, they get to murder the USA if they want, but if we so much as speak in retaliatory terms against it, we get nuked.
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u/Count_Bacon Feb 02 '25
That's what I think it's going to take. That or a general strike where the vast majority participate. These billionaires have shown they are the enemy and have been waging war on us for decades
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u/iwasnotarobot Feb 02 '25
barbecue or bechamel sauce ?
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u/windpup4522 Feb 02 '25
That is true, that was when they couldnt have bought every representative in their path of making more money.
The only solution we have left now is "The Luigi Way".
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u/TheXypris Feb 02 '25
i wonder how nintendo feels about luigi being the de facto symbol for violence against the owner caste.
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u/youmustbeanexpert Feb 02 '25
If lugi actually did it and wasn't replaced when they had no leads, or the lead was a foreign national trying to subvert America. I have a feeling Luigi is gonna disappear some how.
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u/Annihilator4413 Feb 02 '25
They never should have gotten this insanely wealthy. It's not healthy for any economy to continue taxing the lowest earners and continue to cut taxes for the highest earners.
Imagine if Elon, Bezos, and Zuck were all taxed 95 - 99%
We would have almost a TRILLION DOLLARS in taxes from them alone to use for the government and social programs.
Hell, if we properly taxed the rich, we may even see our ballooning national debt actually start to decrease, which would make the dollar more valuable for everyone.
And even at a 99% tax rate for billionaires: they have so much god damn money that even if they lost 99% of it to taxes, they'd still have hundreds of millions of dollars.
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u/TheXypris Feb 02 '25
Which is already way more money than anyone should reasonably need for an entire lifetime, even living opulently
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u/Annihilator4413 Feb 02 '25
Precisely! Even a billion dollars is an absurd amount of money that shouldn't be possible to spend in one lifetime, and with proper investment, a billion dollars could last generations.
But of course that isn't enough for these people, it never is. Their goal is to own the whole earth, and then the moon, and then the solar system... it's never ending and they will never be happy.
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u/astral_saturniidae Feb 03 '25
Actually, I did the math. If they were all taxed at a flat 99%, Zuck would have a bit over $2b leftover, Bezos would have almost $2.5b, and Musk would have almost $4.5b leftover. Indeed way more than any person reasonably needs even THEN. EVEN THEN!
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u/Sociopathic-me Feb 02 '25
Oh, but reagan's trickle down economics! We should be seeing results any second now! /s
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u/Throwawaythispoopy Feb 02 '25
At this point just taxing them is not enough. These billionaires need to cease to exist.
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u/Darth_Chain Feb 02 '25
"Billionaires shouldnt exists. once some one hits 1 billion they should be taxed 100% after that 1 billionth dollar. they get a park named after them and a trophy saying they won capitalism."
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u/Sean_0000 Feb 03 '25
If the were smart enough to get to one billion, they'd be smart enough to reinvest or move their money around to avoid hitting the max.
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u/Darth_Chain Feb 03 '25
thats the point? instead of these dumb ass dragons sitting on their wealth through stock options and other BS things they would be force to spend in the money in some way. that helps the economy in multiple ways. money moving in a system does more than it sitting in a bank.
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Feb 03 '25
imagine putting quotation marks but not the name of the person that said the quote
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u/Darth_Chain Feb 03 '25
sadly i do not know the name of the person who did say it i just recall the quote like that. i jsut know that im not the person who came up with said quote but know some one else did.
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Feb 02 '25
Yeah I think we could have fixed this problem with taxes 10 years ago(at the latest), but today they are too entrenched and politically powerful for that to be a solution, which leaves....
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u/DoctorSelfosa We Fight For Happiness Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
I'm of the belief that no individual person should have more than a billion dollars in net worth. And that shouldn't be a politically controversial take.
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u/wowbyowen Feb 02 '25
i'd say 50 million in today's dollars. That's plenty incentive.
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u/gsf32 Feb 02 '25
True true. Genuine question, what's the absolute limit of money-satisfaction relation for these guys? Does it really impact their daily life if they go down from 100 billion to 1 billion, or 50 million only? How much would they really notice?
I'm afraid it's rather a rhetorical question, given that the answer is they wouldn't notice in the slightest. It gets to a certain amount in which it's impossible to even spend it all. I'd run out of things to buy with that money! I'd have more money than imagination to spend it.
Problem is, they're greedy. They're absolute greedy little motherfuckers, who know nothing but to hoard and hoard all their blood money.
They would NOT notice if we taxed every single one down to 1 billion top. Sure, they'd be scandalized looking at their bank accounts, the whole world would be scandalized in consequence. But in reality they'd feel 0 impact whatsoever.
Sorry for my clunky english
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u/Count_Bacon Feb 02 '25
A lot of these people are sociopaths since capitalism rewards people willing to step all over others. At a certain point it's not longer about money for them it's about power and having more points (money) than their fellow billionaires. We aren't people in their eyes just numbers
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u/DiogenesD0g Feb 02 '25
And as long as the numbers keep gushing and falling all over themselves to serve them they are living the lives they have always wanted. Everyone needs to stop kissing ass. Address them by the wrong name. Spit in their food. Piss in their soup. Interrupt when they are speaking. They arenât any better than the rest of us and they need to come to that realization or find themselves Luigiâd.
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u/merchantofwares Feb 03 '25
This. And I feel genuinely terrified that these guys have developed a new mental illness / something seriously wrong in their brain chemistry.
Weâve never seen such unbelievable wealth in individualsâ hands relative to the rest of the world. What if this level of wealth twists man into a psychopathic seeker of human torment, given that they have literally nothing else to strive for?
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u/Afraid-Technician-13 Feb 03 '25
Well, I'm glad they are all focused on going to Mars instead. This thought that the ultrawealthy could get bored and start doing sick things to the average population for entertainment is scary. We've all seen the movies and TV shows. I'm usually extremely pessimistic, and my mind didn't even go in this direction, till now. Thanks, I'll be preparing for squid game.
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u/Zolty Feb 03 '25
But those poor people, how would they afford their mega yachts?
Won't someone please think of the Billionaires.
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u/DoctorSelfosa We Fight For Happiness Feb 02 '25
I largely pick one billion because it's a round, simple number that most everyone can agree on, but in truth I would go lower with a cap. One billion as a hard limit on net worth is, I think, easier to swing.
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u/Count_Bacon Feb 02 '25
Agree and it's still more than a person could ever need in their lifetimes while allowing them to pass it on to their family
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u/Graviton_Lance Feb 02 '25
even one billion is an insane amount of money. You've basically set yourself and your next 10 or more generations for life and even living in moderate luxury that money wont run out.
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u/NicholasAakre Feb 03 '25
Fun fact: If you had one billion dollars stuffed under your mattress (not earning interest or whatever), you could spend $25,000 per day for a century and still have over $86 million left over.
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u/Hiking-Sausage132 Feb 03 '25
I hate the people who say "but they deserve that money don't steal it from them"
It's 1 BILLION. They are not poor and their next 100 generations can live in wealth without doing anything. Why would they need more?
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u/Sean_0000 Feb 03 '25
What happens when they get to 1 billion, who takes their money, where does it go, what prevents them from moving potential overage to another business?
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u/DoctorSelfosa We Fight For Happiness Feb 03 '25
Homelessness? School meals? Poverty at every level? A thousand thousand problems, so many better ways to spend the money. More regulation, close eyes kept on the powerful, actual accountability. Who takes the money? The people, the government that should, ideally, represent the people.
The precise details, I do admit, are complicated, and somewhat beyond me. But we have to imagine a better world, and that starts with very low-level, basic steps like stripping the uberwealthy of their excess-beyond-excess.
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u/ryanslizzard Feb 03 '25
it boggles my mind how a lot of people fail to connect the dots that they themselves would be better off if they stopped defending billionaires and finally agreed to tax them more.
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u/D_dUb420247 Feb 02 '25
Only way out now is revolution. Apparently no one is threatened enough to do so. Itâll take something massive and jarring ti wake the people up from their âAmerican Dreamâ slumber.
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u/Count_Bacon Feb 02 '25
It's coming I think. People are still too comfortable and we still have our freedoms of speech and what not. When they crash the economy, causing a depression, and try to create a neofascist dictatorship that's when it will get ugly and real
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u/Rena1- Feb 02 '25
US will be couped by US and have their own military/techbro dictatorship. CIA practiced it so much that they must have the perfect formula by now
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u/llDropkick Feb 02 '25
They still couldnât pull it off in Iraq/Afghanistan. It took a full time occupation force tens years to accomplish fuck all. Thereâs 300 million people here, nearly all of them armed, or have the capability to become armed within a day. Yeah a lot of people would die, but thereâs no way they hold that, even with a draft.
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Yeah it's gonna be an unprecedented situation if the US gets that unstable. This is by far the most armed civilian populace in all of human history. If you combine the small arms of every national military on earth, you get about 135 million firearms. There are about 400 million firearms in US civilian hands.
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u/glucklandau Feb 03 '25
One can hope. But I fear that for Americans the stuff about resisting government is for show, if they are asked to lay down their arms, they would. Because no proletarian organisation exists which could lead a civil war; so no one would dare open fire at the officers collecting the weapons as they would get butchered individually.
But one can hope. At this stage the communists should loudly shout to everyone that nobody lay down their weapons, and those who don't have any weapons or training should get it ASAP.5
u/volkswurm Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
In Afghanistan the taliban had nothing to loose. In the US people still have enough comfort to loose. The puppeteers will keep it that way. If they take away a little bit at a time then we wonât risk the comforts we do have left (tv shows, video games, devices, warm couches) in order to fight against it. Then we get used to the new norm and then they move the goal post again, and take away a little bit more. Repeat until everything we have left is not enough to even put up a fight and itâs too late. Then it will take a lot of blood or another power to change it. The 2nd amendment is truly more important than so many on the left realize.Â
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u/SniperPilot Feb 02 '25
Well destroying the economy where no one will have jobs is one way to start one. What else are people going to use their energy for?
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u/CampingKodiak Feb 02 '25
Musk just posted recently you need to work weekends to be awesome. Part of Project 2025 of course. We need an uprising.
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u/USMC0311F23 Feb 02 '25
...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government....
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government...
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u/Perseverance_100 Feb 03 '25
This is why allegiance should be to the constitution and nothing else
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u/captain_chocolate Feb 02 '25
Those fuckers made billions because of the pandemic chaos.
Now they're doing the same shit show again.
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u/andrewbud420 Feb 02 '25
Billionaires should never have become a thing. No one needs that much money. It's beyond disgusting how so many suffer.
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u/Niznack Feb 02 '25
I get the sentiment but posting this meme with this admin is like advocating vegetarianism after scar took over the pride lands.
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u/cutelittlehellbeast Feb 03 '25
Billionaires shouldnât exist. No one person on this planet needs that much money. Itâs resource hoarding at its most grotesque.
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u/Diorj Feb 02 '25
Too many of the low paid workers worship these fascists as gods...
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u/DisillusionedNow75 Feb 02 '25
Taxing billionaires will never happen because Americans will never do anything to change their status.
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u/Slob_King Feb 02 '25
Labor could paralyze the nation into major reforms but thereâs too much on TV
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u/Gaywhorzea Feb 02 '25
But poor people are still voting in the people that allow this.
Whoever votes conservative is an idiot if they see this and still think it's ok.
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u/tooOddtooCare Feb 03 '25
You can not tax them, they have no income. What needs to be done is very basic: make it illegal to take loans out with stocks as collateral. All the sudden they will need to take a wage out of their companies -> wages are taxed. This will have the super nice side effect that raising stock value will not be the end-all for corporations, they will be more motivated reinvest instead of hoard wealth.
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u/raw_copium Feb 02 '25
I mean yes. But best of luck, it seems they own the bodies that would legislate this. It's so freaking depressing.
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u/ayeroxx Feb 02 '25
I've been hearing people whining about this subject for decades and nothing being done at all
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u/whistlepig4life Feb 02 '25
The reality is there are already tax codes in place that would take their wealth and help prop up socal services and pay for infrastructure.
What needs to change is not allowing them to take loans against unrealized wealth (stock holdings) and use it as âincomeâ while paying nothing for income taxes while still holding the stocks to increase wealth.
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u/smocca Feb 02 '25
_____ billionaires out of existence.
MadLibs this however you like. We canât say what we all know to be true and necessary at this point. Youâre not going to picket sign and vote and tax your way out of this. An individual spent 250 million dollars to get a guy elected and was then handed unprecedented power over the very administrative apparatuses that are supposed to keep him in check. And he did it to the cheers of the idiots he is brainwashing on the media site he owns. And heâs just the brazen of them because heâs stupid. There are many now who are smarter and much less overt but just as insidious.
You wonât hear the answer in cable news discussions or magazine articles or even openly on social media. Look how heavily and quickly conversation about Luigi was suppressed.
I find it so fucking frustrating that the people of this country have let it all get this far out of control.
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u/Dxmndxnie1 Feb 02 '25
Those 3 men represent the Oligarchy aka the Tech-Industrial Complex aka the Tech Bros aka the Tech Titans aka the Robber Barons aka the Opps.
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u/SickARose Feb 02 '25
The last change we had came in the form of a Nintendo game character, unfortunately it seems the only thing willing to make a difference.
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u/Thebussinessman Feb 02 '25
Let's tax all three. Screw taxing, take their entire net worth. So US government can finance its spending for 2 whole months!!!
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u/Curious_Bee2781 Feb 02 '25
Let's see. Republican, Republican, Republican.
Guys I'm starting to think we should vote for Democrats I dunno.
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u/space_manatee Feb 02 '25
They're putting in safeguards so that doesn't happen. We've got to come up with a better solution, and quickly.
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u/Sidehussle Feb 02 '25
All that money and all they do with their free time is attack working Americans. Itâs beyond disgusting.
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u/SeaFaringPig Feb 02 '25
I think the time to tax them has long since expired. I think the word is, at the risk of being banned from Reddit, probate. Or at least find out whatâs in their will.
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u/iwasnotarobot Feb 02 '25
I wonder if we can learn strategies to address this from
Haiti: 1791
France: 1789
Russia: 1917
China: 1949
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u/mikrot Feb 02 '25
"But raising the minimum wage will make everything more expensive! "
People who voted for Donny Bonespurs
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u/frackingfaxer idle Feb 02 '25
We're probably going to see the first trillionaire in our lifetimes, aren't we? But even a modest let's tax billionaires such that there won't be trillionaires is probably too radical of an ask.
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Feb 02 '25
No we need wealth redistribution and taxes so it doesn't happen again
Their assets and wealth need seized. They're literally couping America and replacing it with techno-fascist regime.
Workers generate the wealth, we can take it back.
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u/clementine1864 Feb 02 '25
There are sad excuses for people who are OK with being a peasant if they can hurt someone else and be told that it is a good thing.
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u/Serious-Excitement18 Feb 02 '25
Taxing is done. We are past that. Our credit info is theirs. There is apparently no boundary that will be untouched. They have 2 options with the info that has been secured: Full 1984 scenerio, or reset banking to whatever they choose, and we have to adapt
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u/daytonakarl Feb 02 '25
You can personally have up to but not exceeding $99 million
A company can have $999 million
The fines for going over are ten times what you went over with a one million dollar safety net, second time and you'll lose half your wealth and the maximum is set at $25 mil and no safety net.
Oh and any pharmaceutical companies gouging their customers have their patents removed and it becomes open source with the CEO looking at a stay in prison for manslaughter if anyone died or a minimum of three years.
You want the rights of humans then you have the responsibility of humans too, corporations will require to follow the same laws as everyone else including tax and criminal law so ripping off your workers will be a criminal matter not just "woops"
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u/DistinctSmelling Feb 02 '25
It's too late now. They're in charge now and it's not going to change. And really in charge. Not just influence. No more libraries or parks like 100 years ago. Looking forward to debtors prison and you get to work off your debt at $3/hr if you have filed bankruptcy or something like that. These guys are going to take all the money.
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u/Due_Ring1435 Feb 03 '25
Yeah, they're not satisfied with the piece of pie they already have. I find it morally disgusting that 3 people have so much, while so many others on the planet suffer from problems these guys could fix with the snap of a finger.
They have an unbelievable amount of control, in the US especially and "truth" seems to be subjective.
It saddens me, as i truly feel most decent humans just want to co-exist happily and let the water bring up all the boats, or whatever that saying is. Society would be so much better if we focused on helping out fellow humans, and less on making stock prices go up.
The crazy thing to me is that the US is a consumer economy, and that needs a thriving middle class.
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u/Flimsy-Poetry1170 Feb 03 '25
Theyâll charge you for rent and food while youâre in prison making it impossible to survive and pay off your debts.
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u/Hattix Feb 02 '25
We should have taxed them before they took control of the government.
Now it's revolution or bust.
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u/PurpleBicorn Feb 02 '25
Definitely won't happen now that Musk controls the pay of everyone in the government, and his best friend is president.
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u/Bananaclamp Feb 02 '25
Literally all 3 guys sitting behind the new president as he's put in power.
Goodluck with that.
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u/cherrybombbb Feb 02 '25
They pay less in taxes than regular middle class people. ZERO dollars some years.
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u/Flimsy_Negotiation13 Feb 02 '25
too bad the laws have to pass senate and the house and president, which are all republican right now so fat chance. when billionaires fund politics, this is what we get.
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u/Chance_Airline_4861 Feb 02 '25
Guess we will have our first trillionnair soon. Late stage capitalism is the best.Â
Can someone clean the fosset, still waiting for that sweet trickle downÂ
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u/SSharkeyAimsAtYou Feb 03 '25
Here's a good start: Confiscate 50% of each of these guys wealth. Divide it evenly among the US population (or taxpayers, or citizens, but I like just everyone) and that would be a nice $1.2+ million for all. These bloodsuckers would hardly miss it but it would change a whole lot of people's lives forever.
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Feb 03 '25
Yâall better vote for the democrats in 2026 and 2028 if you want to get anywhere close to being able to do this.
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u/Ok-Potato-4774 Feb 03 '25
I can't believe the minimum wage is just a couple of dollars higher than what was when I entered the civilian job market after leaving the Army in 1997.
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u/milkonyourmustache Feb 03 '25
It's already over as far as trying to reign in the private sector, they've already captured government and it isn't a question of 'will they' take even more power it's 'how quickly will they'. This century is going to be quite dark, which means it will be just like all the others.
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u/Quazimortal Feb 03 '25
The only thing that will change things at this point is violent protest and I dunno about you but I'm not putting my life on the line till I have nothing left
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u/Nearby-Jelly-634 Feb 03 '25
Yeah taxing isnât enough anymore. We need to being back tarring and feathering
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u/Low_Yak_4842 Feb 03 '25
This countryâs deficit would disappear so easily if we just taxed the rich appropriately.
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u/superkow Feb 03 '25
I just don't understand the point of hoarding that much wealth. What can you do with $400bn that you can't do with one? You could build a fucking medieval castle in the middle of Manhattan with a thousand people to wait on you day and night for a hundred years and still have money to spare. What's the point?
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u/k8blwe Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25
If you tax billionaires more then you'll just end up paying more for stuff than you already are.
Having mass wealth isn't an issue. It's the power they have that comes with it that's an issue. The fact that these guys are influencing politics so much is what the issue is. As well as governments not caring about normal people and allowing them to ruin our lives.
What needs to happen is simple. Governments need to hold a tighter grip on these people so they can't sell our data, or stop laws being passed that allow us to repair our own stuff. Get rid of ridiculous subscription services, allow us the right to own, and allow 3rd party companies to repair things for us too as well as ourselves. (Could add many others too, but list would be too long).
Simply taxing them more just causes more problems. You'd just see prices increase on everything. There's better ways to keep billionaires in check as well as their awful business practices.
We should also hold politicians accountable for allowing lobbying to take place from said billionaires and their companies
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