r/antiwork • u/Soft_Cable5934 • 9d ago
Know your Worth đ An advice for people who hate Greedy CEOs:
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u/SaintsProtectHer 9d ago
If you ever need proof that banding together can make a big change, look to the Sonic movie redesign.
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u/BecauseSeven8Nein 9d ago
That still feels a bit planned out to me in retrospect.
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u/Dabazukawastaken 9d ago
Didn't the company go bankrupt? Although I'm not sure if it was due to sonic or they were already on the brink of it.
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u/RepulsivePeace4527 6d ago edited 6d ago
or the area 51 raid that happened around the same time as that. a bunch of people who didn't know each other were able to show up on private govt property for a cause (albeit unserious) just because they wanted to. one of the mottos was "they can't stop all of us".
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u/lejk56 9d ago
We cant afford a house yet some people wont have to work for generations just because they have 100 and pass them on to their kids
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u/EveningInsurance739 9d ago
Whatâs wrong with passing things on to your kids?
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u/Shifter25 9d ago
It's what you're passing on that's wrong. Trump is treated like a self-made billionaire because he grew up in and inherited an international real estate company, still being bailed out for his terrible business decisions by dear old Dad as late as in his 40's, shortly before he started a reality show about what a great businessman he was.
In short, passing on untold riches to your children creates monsters.
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u/Maleficent_Mist366 9d ago
Unless itâs to someone with actual morals and passing down a house lol
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u/lejk56 9d ago
I dont think that passing stuff on to your kids is wrong but making your bloodline never ever having to work and them continuing to grow their wealth more and more each generation without working is wrong and unfair to the rest of us who works hard. Maybe you shoudnt be able to pass that much to your own bloodline. In my view its egoistic
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u/VisualD9 9d ago
When people are no longer comfortable is when the 90% will force wealth redistribute. But i think most american oligarchs know this and have plans to cut and run.
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u/VisualD9 8d ago
Their are literally people employed to prevent that (FEDS, Police, body guards, lawyers, judges, politicians, media). These people are not stupid its exactly why they walk around with bodyguards that grip their pistols when their walking around with their entourage. Just be happy the power is still running and that food is atill accessible, might not be the case in coming years or maybe not, who knows.
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u/not_a_Badger_anymore 9d ago
It is a school, after all.
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u/Blue_gummy_shawrks 9d ago
Remember protesting is becoming illegal in the states; https://activistchecklist.org/
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u/Wollff 9d ago
Who cares? Protesting doesn't do anything anyway.
In a way, the reliance on "the peaceful protest as a means of change", is what got you all into this mess in the first place.
Some people did it right: They stormed the Capitol, and got away with it.
Learn your lessons from that. Do the same thing, not the right thing. Grab power. Then and only then can you send all the people you want where they belong.
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u/WeedAnxietyHelp 9d ago
MAG is a cess pool but they had the balls to actually do something and pretty much got exactly what they wanted out of it. Thatâs all Iâm saying.
The democrats have got spit on time and time again, and theyâve done everything âpolitically correctâ.
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u/thatsnoodybitch 9d ago
If you look back in history, peaceful protests are largely successful only due to being an alternative to another group who utilized violent protests.
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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 9d ago
One must take care not to become a monster while fighting monsters. You might find power a little harder to use responsibility than you think. Imo letting the most bloodthirsty and power hungry people people seize power probably isn't going to end well.
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u/Wollff 9d ago
Bullshit.
If there is anything to learn about the current situation, then it's the fact that moral superiority is worth nothing, if you don't have the power to act on it.
Trump does something illegal? Too bad. Doesn't matter now, does it? If you don't have the power to enforce that, if you don't WIN, you have to face the fact that you can get deported to a camp. Illegally. Because fuck you, you lost.
Of course you can have the self satisfaction that "I never became a monster", when you and your family might all soon rot and die in a prison camp. Maybe that is enough for you. Congratulations. You will die a good person, while having achieved nothing.
That being said: It's not that I wish that the most bloodthirsty and power hungry people grab power. What needs to be beaten into the heads of people on the left side of the political spectrum, is that what counts first and foremost is WINNING. Whatever and whoever stands in the way of WINNING needs to go.
Of course I realize that this is not doable, because the left is incredibly stupid.
They are the party which readily divides itself, for example by voting for green candidates out of conviction, in order to show their dissatisfaction. Or by staying home, because they wanted more support for Palestine. Or by staying home, because their gender bullshit was not supported aggressively enough. Or because their race bullshit wasn't represented agressively enough. Or maybe because they wanted a little more focus on environmental issues and climate change. Or because they were pressed for time, forgot to register, it was too much of a bother, they were too poor, very afraid, overslept, felt extremely oppressed etc. etc.
There is an infinity of very usual reasons for the leftys to stay home, to not vote out of conviction, or protest, inconvenience, laziness, or for ten thousand other reasons.
All of that, while the most rabid fundamentalist Christian, too dumb to finish pre school, understands that they have to vote for the adulterous rapist, even if they don't like it. The right is simply smarter than the left. They understand that, first of all, they have to win, because if they don't, nothing else matters.
Maybe after a few years of prison camps, abortion bans, and enforced detransitions, the left will get the message as well. I am not optimistic though. Because they are all too fucking stupid.
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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 9d ago
All I'm saying is: historically power hungry despots all rose to power by offering to only take power for long enough to solve problems, only to realise that was a dumb idea and keep it, only to realise they had to do terrible things to hold on to power and eventually not caring because they consider those things necessary.
"Of course you can have the self satisfaction that "I never became a monster", when you and your family might all soon rot and die in a prison camp. Maybe that is enough for you. Congratulations. You will die a good person, while having achieved nothing."
Yeah, we all die eventually. The question is: what kind of person are we when we die and what did we achieve before we died. I'd rather die in a camp proving that the monsters in charge are holding on to power for no reason than dismantle the system that seperates us from those monsters and become one myself.
"That being said: It's not that I wish that the most bloodthirsty and power hungry people grab power. What needs to be beaten into the heads of people on the left side of the political spectrum, is that what counts first and foremost is WINNING. Whatever and whoever stands in the way of WINNING needs to go."
Jesus christ, donald trump has entered the chat. This is why I don't trust you and people who push for violence. The only difference between you and trump is that trump has more power and money, and once you get those things, there is no difference. Winning is all that matters. Not setting an example, not being a good person, not doing what is best for the country. Winning is all that matters. That's why he's trying to get rid of elections, because he wants to win forever and nothing else matters.
You HAVE to have a higher standard for yourself or what are you fighting for? I'm not saying you lie down and let yourself get rolled over, but you're advocating a coup and praising people who tried to overthrow the US government. You need to look at how many coups have actually resulted in a better government and not in a civil war....If you think it'd go differently in America you're absolutely dreaming.
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u/Wollff 9d ago
Jesus christ, donald trump has entered the chat. This is why I don't trust you and people who push for violence.
It seems you completely misunderstand what I am talking about. Trump didn't get to power by violence. The coup didn't succeed. Neither did Adolf's coup back then succeed. But they still got away with it.
The point is: They won. And it is worth looking at what they did in order to win, and to emulate that. Because winning is very important. It's not all that matters. But all that matters is dependent on winning. If you don't win, your aspirations and plans don't matter.
Doesn't mean you have to be a dictator, if you win. Hillary probably wouldn't have been. Neither would Kamala. "Not winning" is the one and only thing that made all of their plans and aspirations completely irrelevant. They might as well have not existed.
It's not like "only winning matters". But if you don't win, nothing else matters. What Hillary would have done had she won doesn't matter, becasue she didn't get to do anything. If Trump hadn't won? Then all his plans for turning the US into a dictatorship wouldn't matter.
But since he won, and only since he won, that matters now. Since nobody else won, chances are good a lot of people will die now.
Winning is all that matters. Not setting an example, not being a good person, not doing what is best for the country. Winning is all that matters. That's why he's trying to get rid of elections, because he wants to win forever and nothing else matters.
When you are imprisoned in a camp, you don't get to do what is best for the country. If you want to do what is best for the country, you have to win first.
The right wing got that right. All of them understand that. Winning is the most important thing, because everything else depends on it. It's not the only important thing. But all the important things are nothing, if you don't win first.
You HAVE to have a higher standard for yourself or what are you fighting for?
Sure. But the standards you set only matter if you win. If your standards make you lose, and in response, hypothetically, someone ends social security, and thousands become homeless, suffer from hunger because there are no more food stamps, and a few more thousands die with the end of medicaid?
Well what should we say then? "Thank you for upholding YOUR standards, thank you that YOU can still hold your head high and stand proudly, thank you that YOU know what you are fighting for! Maybe you lost, maybe thousands die, but that's a worthy sacrifice, because YOU can still hold your head and nose high!"
Have you ever considered that what you are fighting for doesn't matter if your ideas don't win?
Seems like you have not. The right wing has that figured that out. And if you all don't get that into your head real quick, a lot more people will die, mainly from your principled refusal to embrace some good old Realpolitik.
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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 9d ago
"The point is: They won. And it is worth looking at what they did in order to win, and to emulate that. Because winning is very important. It's not all that matters. But all that matters is dependent on winning. If you don't win, your aspirations and plans don't matter."
Only if your plans and aspirations require having power over other people.
"Doesn't mean you have to be a dictator, if you win. Hillary probably wouldn't have been. Neither would Kamala. "Not winning" is the one and only thing that made all of their plans and aspirations completely irrelevant. They might as well have not existed."
If they were capable of emulating Donald Trump, they would have. If you think they were better candidates than Trump, ask yourself why? To me it boils down to the fact they understand that winning at all costs is worse than losing when you're fighting for morality and decency.
"Sure. But the standards you set only matter if you win. If your standards make you lose, and in response, hypothetically, someone ends social security, and thousands become homeless, suffer from hunger because there are no more food stamps, and a few more thousands die with the end of medicaid?"
That many people die every day. Arguing we should emulate the people responsible for hastening their deaths is insane.
"Have you ever considered that what you are fighting for doesn't matter if your ideas don't win?"
I have, and that's why I'm disagreeing with you. If I had to resort to violence to get what I want, my ideas have already lost and I'm just fighting to stay alive at that point.
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u/Wollff 8d ago edited 8d ago
Only if your plans and aspirations require having power over other people.
I think we were talking politics here, so: Yes. That's what it is about. The plans and aspirations of all politicians depend on having power over other people.
If you want to legalize or illegalize abortion, that requires that you have power over other people who enforce that decision, one way or another.
If you think they were better candidates than Trump, ask yourself why?
Because of the policies they advocate for. That's why. Having any other reasons from that is dangerously deluded. Maybe even stupid.
That many people die every day. Arguing we should emulate the people responsible for hastening their deaths is insane.
We should emulate their methods, their ruthlessness, and everything else that enables them to win.
What one should not emulate, are their policies, which directly lead to unjust incarcerations, deaths, and all the other horrors which you can currently see as they come along with the dismantling of the democratic system that was once cherished in the US.
Of course there is a grey area here, where there are quite a few things that you can not do, if you are a staunch advocate for democratic rules and institutions. But you should go to the very edge of what you can do within those limits, without being bound by misguided morals, or by delusions of "being the bigger person". Those days are over.
If I had to resort to violence to get what I want, my ideas have already lost and I'm just fighting to stay alive at that point.
You still don't get it at all, do you?
I have already told you that this is not about violence.
It's about ruthlessness. It's about doing what is needed to win.
In some edge cases that may include violence.
If, for example, a group of armed insurgents tried to storm the Capitol, take over government, and institute tyranny, I would argue that they should be stopped, no matter what, no matter the degree of violence necessary. No?
Would you argue against that? "No, when they have resorted to violence first, they have already morally lost, and as they start purging, and killing, we who are being killed stand proud in our moral victory!!!"
It's a stance you can take. It's also remarkably stupid and egoistic.
Most people who are currently being sent into incarceration camps from the US would have preferred if you, and all your morally righteous ilk, had put your moral qualms second, and won instead.
But you don't think about the victims of your self entitled moral righteousness. This notion of self entitled moral superiority which trumps all else, is the most vile stuff the left of the political spectrum currently has to offer. The sooner it dies, the better.
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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 8d ago
"We should emulate their methods, their ruthlessness, and everything else that enables them to win.
What one should not emulate, are their policies, which directly lead to unjust incarcerations, deaths, and all the other horrors which you can currently see as they come along with the dismantling of the democratic system that was once cherished in the US."
You still don't get it, winning IS their policy and they won because they're willing to do this shit. Winning being their policy is WHY they stormed the capitol on j6. How do you fight when the majority of your people are happy those things are happy because it means they won!? What ruthless things are you going to do to prove that the people in power now don't deserve it? What could you possibly do that wouldn't demonstrate that's exactly why people were justified in voting against your interests? How are you going to prove a negative?
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u/Electronic-Ant5549 2d ago
Because they can personally track or sell your information. For example, going in an urgent care and filling out the forms to get your medical treatment may transfer your personal contact info like email to the city and local government. Then you begin receiving email from the city government and other info may have been given to them.
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u/Trace_Reading 9d ago
"bUt A pErSoN i KnOw WaS iN a BaD uNiOn!" Right, so that means you should try going it alone against a bigger foe? This isn't Elden Ring.
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u/Ok_Result3897 9d ago
You can always come to Europe, if you want to work to live instead of living to work
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u/RedRocketStream 9d ago
While better than the US, let us not pretend Europe isn't on the same trajectory.
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u/Massive_Shill 9d ago
You paying moving costs and helping with job placement?
Because most of us are literally too broke to leave.
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u/BleghMeisterer 9d ago
Because most of us are literally too broke to leave.
I try not to think about this too much, because it's a very scary thought
Thanks for putting it out there though, ignorance is not bliss
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u/Deepthunkd 3d ago
When I went to be an expat, I sold all of my stuff that wouldnât fit in a backpack and just got on a plane on a one-way ticket.
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u/EveningInsurance739 9d ago
Please. And donât let the door hit you.
Although European security has been bankrolled by the US for generations so Europeans could spend on lavish entitlement programs. Well, Europe might be on its own now, defense-wise. Time to ratchet up the military spending, and that money is going to come from somewhere. Couple that with an aging, plummeting population, and anti-immigration sentiment on the riseâŠtime to roll back those entitlements sharply.
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u/oceanfr0g 9d ago
Yeah. Europeans are about to have a rude awakening. Don't expect any thanks for the decades of defense spending, though. The most thanks Americans will get is being told by entitled Euros that we are destroying their society. After America saved them from destroying themselves in WWII. It's egregious and shameful to act like the US isn't directly enabling the welfare state in Europe.
Who knows, maybe the continent will start to get things done? I remain pessimistic.
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u/The-Cursed-Gardener 9d ago
Hot take: wealthy white people are tourists who will insert themselves into the top of a social hierarchy when it suits them and will abandon ship once theyâve run whatever country theyâre in charge of into the ground. Itâs always the moneyd white liberals who are making the shitty pro capitalist policy decisions and then running away when the consequences of their actions come to fruition.
When the going gets tough the white people get going(back to Europe or one of their colonies)
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u/btcurlyhead1 9d ago
No time like the present make a post or something about organizing instead if stating the obvious. Start organizing some kinda something and see where it goes
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u/SufficientWhile5450 9d ago
And remember, even if you not a union
If your employer tells you that you canât discuss wages, working conditions, circulate petitions, or try to start a union?
You file with the NLRB, they are not just there for unions
They are there to defend your rights to discuss wages and organize in ANY CAPACITY
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u/umbium 9d ago
Not only CEO. This is useful for fighting for your rights against politicians too, no matter if you vote for them or not. You are in your right to fight for your rights and don't step back an inch.
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u/WeedAnxietyHelp 9d ago
There was a group of people who fought for what they wanted on Jan 6th and they got it. Let that sink in.
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u/OMGihateallofyou 9d ago
Best job I ever had was a union job at the turn of the millennium. I felt under worked and overpaid for a good stretch. Eventually the union got weak. Negotiating union contracts went to shit with a lot of give with not much take until eventually they outsourced our department.
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u/Intro_verti_AL 9d ago
I used to work for the world leaders in Airbag manufacturing, Autoliv (i say used to, because my christmas present was redundancy).
We weave and coat airbags to save people's lives, yet the McDonald's workers down the road were earning more. We were treated like shit by management.
2 years ago, I got us enrolled with the Unite Union and managements balls quickly shriveled back inside themselves. First letter of strike action got us a ÂŁ2 an hour wage increase. Second planned strike got an extra ÂŁ2 an hour + 50p added to shift allowance.
Don't just wait around for someone else to start the chain of events because it might never happen. If your job doesn't have a Union, get in contact with one ASAP
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u/Alen_117 9d ago
What if the boss had brought a pizza before this and said "Please don't form a union"
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u/Able_Engineering1350 9d ago
Ppl seem to have the memory of goldfish lately so this image checks out
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u/True_Iro 9d ago
So are the humans are the interstellar aliens? If so, can we request their presence? It'll be much easier for them to catch the bigger fish
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u/TomThanosBrady 9d ago
Assuming OP isn't a native English speaker but it's: a word or piece of advice. Not an advice.
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u/IntelligentRanger678 9d ago
What we should have done for the last 100 years with this corrupt as government
Hopefully trump and elon will fix years of corruption and greed.
Let's see how many countries we go to "war" with just to steal the natural resources
That's the American government: bet trump won't
But he's so mean,lol
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u/Ordinary_Delay_1009 9d ago
How do you organize when one of the fins is trying to stab everything else?
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u/Impossible_Ad_8642 9d ago
I initially read that as "...for people who ate Greedy CEOs" & thought I missed out on something special.
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u/gordane1 9d ago
The elites have the majority of the population finding each other through political ideology, which keeps us from having any chance of stopping them. People need to realize the rich and powerful are the problem and not some Republican who voted for Trump or a Democrat who voted for Kamala. These political parties are cults and will continue to sew division amongst the populace, which in turn prevents us from making any real change.
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u/Current-Ocelot-5181 9d ago
Most people are all talk and no action. It takes no effort to complain on reddit, that's why changes don't really occur, and the cycle continues.
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u/GangStalkingTheory 9d ago
A mask in the likeness of the brother of a fictional Italian plumber made famous by a Japanese game company?
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u/bigboog1 9d ago
The only way this is going to work is if we get congress to actually break up the monopolies we have today. As much as I love seeing this I donât hear anyone speaking about that.
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u/TapiocaTuesday 9d ago
You don't even really have to organize much. You just all have to not do something at the same time.
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u/wholetyouinhere 9d ago
What this poster is describing is labour organization. This is an explicitly left-wing phenomenon. And if you mention anything left-wing, this subreddit goes insane. Yet, without those guiding principles, there is no "movement" to speak of. A bunch of random workers decrying billionaires and their low pay is not a political movement, nor is it sustainable; it's simply complaining.
All of this has happened before, and the blueprints already exist -- it is called leftism.
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u/Deathpill911 8d ago
The issues is people who startup a small business and they think they're in the league of a CEO, so basically they feel like we're against them. Some even call themselves a CEO and believe they one day will make the money of one. 80% of small businesses make less than $100,000 per year in revenue. That is REVENUE not profit. They're FAR closer to the average worker than they will ever with someone who makes a billion, but unfortunately they fight for the billionaires.
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u/bobbyB2022 8d ago
Good one but the "elite" are very good at getting people fighting amongst themselves.
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u/HuckleberryKey8142 4d ago
It's crazy because they brainwashed so many of the little fish employees to think that the other little fish employees are the enemies. They pin us against each other so we don't realize they're the entire issue. They have so many bootlickers in love with them too, it's crazy and scary.Â
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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 9d ago
Wasps overheating animals to death by just sitting on their body in large numbers is probably better.
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u/jiaxingseng 9d ago
The problem is that organization requires leaders.
And knock-on problem is that leaders, by definition, gain power and that power often corrupts them.
Who would be the leaders today?
Democrats? No.
The leftists who persuaded people to not vote because "Genocide Joe". No... they are worse than MAGA. At best, they hurt America. At worst, they hate America. But unlike MAGA, they knew what they were doing.
So who?
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u/Aur0raAustralis 9d ago
I'm as anti work as anyone. Probably moreso than most. But these reposts aren't doing anything and the majority of things on here are literally just complaining without action.
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u/Capital_Animator1094 9d ago
Then do something
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u/WeedAnxietyHelp 9d ago
See. Thatâs the funniest part about Reddit.
Complain online, even post motivational stuff about banding together. Someone challenges it and says âall you do is complain with no actionâ. Then Reddit strikes back with âwell why donât YOU do somethingâ.
The mf wasnât the one complaining and posting organizational material!
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u/randologin 9d ago
Until it's declared terrorism
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u/BleghMeisterer 9d ago
Yep! Because once organizing is declared terrorism, then it would be against the law to do it!
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u/randologin 9d ago
They're already deporting people for protesting and considering acts against Tesla acts of terrorism, not sure why the downvotes. Laws don't matter any more to these people.
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u/rull3211 9d ago
This sign is shit. "Organize to make the illusion og strength" then at the first bite the big fish find out that its Just an illusion
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u/Filmtwit 9d ago
Reminder....