r/antiwork • u/Best-Structure62 • 3d ago
Real World Crisis 🌎 Indiana University Professor Fired For Taking Another Job, FBI Raids His House.
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u/crazytib 3d ago edited 3d ago
The article you posted wants an 11 dollar subscription
No way I'm paying that
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u/Boss_Os 2d ago
Use archive to get around paywalls: https://archive.is/Ih0EC
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u/Unionizemyplace 2d ago
I could picture people being raided and taken away for using that site to circumvent paywalls. For pirating anything as well.
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u/Sid15666 3d ago
Another person disappeared, you would think we were a third world dictatorship? Oh I guess we are now!
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u/HotKarldalton 2d ago
Another person disappeared, you would think we were a turd world dictatorship? Oh I guess we are now!
Fix'd eet!
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u/The_Tale_of_Yaun 2d ago
Lmao, third world? We've been a first world dictatorship for several decades now. The only things that's different today is the veneer has worn away.Â
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u/2roK 2d ago
That's the dumbest shit I've read all week. The US has definitely not been a dictatorship for decades. It's literally just Trump and the conservatives doing this right now.
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u/pazuzu857 2d ago
Uh, yeah, I DESPISE Trump, and the Republican party both the degenerate MAGAt fascists of today and the vile bigoted scum of the past. And of course, there is no real comparison between either version of Republicans to the worst version of a modern Democrat. Having said all of that make no mistake the United States has been a corporatocracy dictatorship for decades now. The only difference is the mask is off.
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u/Embarrassed_Step_694 3d ago
Yeah either this is a completely rational response due to the sensitive nature of the job (in which case this person should have never been hired for it). Or this is loony bin Trump stuff.
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u/natayaway 3d ago edited 3d ago
Assistant professor of cyber security with tenure working as principal investigator on a number of contracts totaling over $23 million USD as well as research on natural language processing AI to protect 5G and other computing services. He takes an additional position at a university in Singapore.
IUB provost issues letter saying he will be terminated and an FBI raid is conducted on his two homes.
Tenured professors don’t get terminated unless there’s some sort of extreme misconduct, financial exigences, or incompetence. Taking a separate position isn’t grounds for termination, it could be as simple as a lecturer role. Even if he were to do additional research in Singapore in the same field and subject, unless there’s some sort of sensitive data from the government from some of the contacts he was investigating, which there shouldn’t be… there’s no reason to have been raided and terminated.
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u/Tachibana_13 2d ago
Everything else I've seen about the guy seems to show him as a sort of white hat hacker. He found a security risk in apple products, furnished proof of concept, and asked Apple to fix it. He also drew attention to security risks in the way Google and Facebook handle third party logins from their platforms.
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u/MittenstheGlove 1d ago
I have a Dr. in Cybersecurity here in the VA. He’s GS-15 and also is a professor at a Local University.
They’re lumping Singapore in with China. It’s just another redscare.
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u/LanguidLandscape 2d ago
Taking a separate job can absolutely be grounds for dismissal depending on the contract. Tenured profs, despite your beliefs, still have limits to their employment. Suggesting otherwise is either ignorance or disingenuous.
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u/natayaway 2d ago edited 2d ago
This isn't ignorance or disingenuous. I worked in academia for years. Taking a position at another university is not grounds for dismissal, there are literally guest lecturer positions for joint university research specifically for this case.
Tenure and tenure track professors do not get terminated like this, only for things that are scandalous.
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u/fishdishly 2d ago
I was wondering if this guys disappearance was because he had made some sort of breakthrough in his field and has to flee. Given his research background and technical expertise I can easily imagine scenarios where he has a legitimate fear for his life. To add to the conspiracy fuel, look at a handful of trump pardons recently. Cyber criminals and people convicted of financial crimes; trump has made comments about investing in shit coins and converting the gold reserve to crypto reserves.
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u/Narrow_Employ3418 2d ago
This only works in Hollywood plots.
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u/HeckNo89 2d ago
You ever heard of Edward Snowden or Danny Casolaro?
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u/Narrow_Employ3418 2d ago
Both of whom were certainly smart people, but none of whom did any technical, scientific or academic research "breakthrough" as basis for their being persecuted.
They were persecuted purely for a political opinion and whistle blowing, not more, not less.
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u/Easy_beaver 2d ago
Is it not possible the guy could be working on behalf of the Chinese clandestinely? I doubt they would say someone was not eligible for rehire without good reason. Also, I am not here to defend the FBI but I doubt they’d be wasting investigative resources in Bloomington, Indiana. My money says they had good reason.
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u/ButtholeAvenger666 2d ago
Have you seen who the new head of the FBI is? My money says their reasoning is anything but good.
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u/fishdishly 2d ago
Yeah, he is kind of an idiot. The career professionals that he gets to direct are a whole other discussion. The one agent I do know is a stand-up man and I put my faith in him and others like him to continue to defend this country from itself.
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u/ButtholeAvenger666 2d ago
Ask the one agent that you know how they feel about whats happening to their agency and if they believe cases like this are anything but political.
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u/fishdishly 2d ago
We've talked recently. I did ask him his thoughts and he responded that there are things he can talk about but won't. I've known him for over 20 years. His demeanor hasn't changed from when we were kids, still the righteous defender. There was a level of frustration and a fair amount of anger. We ended the convo on a high note with a promise to reach out if he ever needed anything.
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u/ButtholeAvenger666 2d ago
So does he know hes now part of a fascist government agency and is powerless to do anything about it or what?
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u/fishdishly 2d ago
Of course he could have been some sort of clandestine operative, and I would like nothing more than for him to not have been one. I can't begin to talk about what or how the FBI spends its resources.
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u/msuvagabond 2d ago
I do want to point out that it's more likely that the Chinese government would threaten him or more specifically, his family still in China, than willingly work for them. Â
Either scenario is conjecture.Â
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u/fishdishly 2d ago
From the available anecdotal evidence I would say that the CCP does apply pressure in that manner. China is an odd spot. I was conditioned years ago to assume that the CCP has eyes and ears everywhere that anything important is happening, or going to happen.
I want this disappeared fella to have the benefit of the doubt.
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u/ajmampm99 2d ago
Due process doesn’t matter anymore. If the government had evidence of a crime, they should arrest him. If he’s had access to classified material, if he now a slave who can’t leave the country?
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u/98103wally 2d ago
Hmm.
These kinds of positions are highly sought after by foreign intelligence.
In theory, if the suspect intended to steal American intellectual property and then flee the country, this is one of the proven methods.
We need to have more of the facts behind the arrest and justifications.
I would put good money on a 3 letter agency being behind this. And holding back relevant information from the public.
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u/loki2002 2d ago
Okay, but if he was a foreign intelligence agent would he call attention to himself by taking a position in foreign country? The whole idea is farcical.
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u/abbothenderson 2d ago
Yeah, how dare he steal American secrets and trade them to Singapore? What impertinence! Doesn’t he know Russia has dibs?
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u/nmrk 2d ago
Yeah I definitely trust the South China Morning Post. Chinese state-owned media outlets only release accurate, unbiased information.
😒
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u/brianvan 2d ago
This was widely reported elsewhere too. Do you think they made up the FBI raid of his home and the scrubbing of his details from the University website that everyone else saw and called in?
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u/ForexGuy93 2d ago
I don't understand. What's the issue?
- He quit, effective end of term.
- The University (not the government) decided to terminate him before end of term.
- He's a researcher in a field deemed sensitive for obvious reasons.
- The FBI presumably had cause to search, and searched.
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u/NemoNowan 1d ago
I'll assume you are actually serious and uninformed about the case.
The issue is that NOBODY had seen or heard anything from him or his wife for days before the FBI raid and this announcement from the University.
The University had been quietly removing every mention of his existence from their website, and every inquiry from his friends about him was met with silence.
Now the University says he intended to work with an University in Singapore (not clear whether he intended to quit and move or if it was a second remote job) and was therefore terminated for very flimsy reasons. And he STILL hasn't given any sign of life.
Under the current Trump administration this leads to fears that he and his wife were secretely arrested and are being held incommunicado in a secret prison. Or in terms usually reserved for people living under a dictatorship , they were "disappeared".
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u/ForexGuy93 1d ago
I went by the article. Sorry, but I can't be expected to magically know stuff about everything. Sounds more like he absconded, then, and the raid was a reaction to that. It's not like the FBI is any good at what it does. They're not run by Moriarty, but by Azothoth, figuratively speaking.
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u/StolenWishes 3d ago
No paywall: https://archive.ph/Ih0EC