r/antiwork • u/brokenpa • 1d ago
Rant đĄđ˘ "wE wiLL tAlk mOrE aBouT tHat In PeRsOn!"
This has happened to me twice this week. I ask any detailed information about a position before getting in a business suit and driving to an interview. These are general questions about hours, benefits, or weekends since I have another job.
The hiring manager blows me off entirely and says "we will discuss that in person.".
The one job was posted as "weekdays". This is good because I work weekends. I asked the hiring manager before my interview if it included days on the weekends because I can't do weekends. He wouldn't tell me.
He brings me in instead and tells me today it's 5-9 weekdays and "whenever they need me on the weekends". He says if I can't commit to that I can't work there.
If he had just told me that, I wouldn't have interviewed and wasted both our time.
Another job had no information about benefits. I had to go in, sit down, ask about benefits and basically say "Oh ok thanks bye" and leave.
Why waste everyone's time? Do these companies enjoy this?
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u/Varnigma 1d ago
Sunk cost fallacy....they figure that most of the time people that took the time to come to the interview will accept the job since they've already spent time getting there.
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u/ZookeepergameLoose79 1d ago
Fallacy indeed, and then surprise Pikachu face when we get up and leave
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u/spidaminida 1d ago
Oh aye had that with a bank job once. 3 weeks into the 4 week training course they told us it was going to be a sales position with KPI's and targets and shit that makes me want to puke with anxiety, when the ad for the job clearly said they were hiring for personality and it wasn't a sales position.
Couldn't afford to back out ofc, ended up nearly having a nervous breakdown because the manager would browbeat us every morning because we were only number 2 in the area (out of like 40 odd branches). Sheer hell.
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u/camelslikesand 1d ago edited 1d ago
At that point I waste as much of their time as possible. Then at the end I tell them what they said at the very beginning that put me off the job.
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u/l0rdjagged 1d ago
They do not want to put details into writing since they might be held to it later
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u/my_chaffed_legs 1d ago
If they don't want to answer your questions before the interview, then its most likely not gonna be the answer you're wanting to hear, so might as well just not go to those interviews where they won't answer questions beforehand.
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u/Material_Tangelo_276 1d ago
But definitely still apply, and schedule the interview. Play the game.
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u/bhgemini 1d ago
I've had two recruiters admit that they are coached that if they get you in, either them or the managers are so amazing at selling the company that you'll ignore pay, remote work, days, hours, work/life, and lack of benefits. They are delusional.
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u/jdscott0111 16h ago
I had someone from HR try give me that line when they sent me a lowball offer to a candidate. I laughed at them to their face and told them to do better with comp and I wanted this person, so they better add $10k on top of whatever they come up with is fair market value. Iâm the one who answers for my budgetânot them. They had some skills my department desperately needed, and I would see a return on that investment, which I made sure was part of their incentive structure the next bonus cycle they were eligible for. They stayed with me for four years before they gave in to my encouragements to go get promoted. Theyâve since been promoted twice and would be my boss had I stayed.
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u/Raregolddragon 1d ago
O I had one of those a few years. I was in a spiteful mood at that point so I took the job and just never started the weekend work. Did the normal weekdays just never went in on weekend. Manger got mad and I thew the recruiter under the bus saying they never said anything about working weekends.
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u/PartyMirror 1d ago
Because theyâll say one thing in person that will get you to say yes to a job offer and then when they go back on the promise itâs not in writing for your records
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u/CatchMeIfYouCan09 1d ago
'And i really look forward to learning all about the role; however in an effort to maximize productivity and efficiency, there are a few points i need to clarify prior to going any further in the interview process. Just as i can appreciate your diligence in the phone screening process to clarify qualifications the company has outlined; i too need to clarify some information on my end and honestly, it's a great skill a candidate can bring to the team of maximizing the acquiring of information and accurately analyzing said information efficiently and effectively."
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u/Kopiczek 1d ago
You should waste their time instead. Get an offer and then tell them you canât do weekends. Maybe that will teach them
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u/DukeRedWulf 1d ago
If you ask a question and they won't answer - odds are it's because the answer would be bad..
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u/Bitmush- 17h ago
A court can instruct a jury to interpret a refusal to answer as if the answer was very much not in the interest of the person not answering.
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u/Square-Ebb1846 1d ago
Consider saying bare minimums on the phone yourself and letting them tell you not to come in. For example, âI cannot work weekends. Is that a problem? If so, Iâd rather not waste your time in an interview.â
Yeah, more employers will turn you away for having standards, but if you have the ability to choose then choose an employer who is ok with you advocating for yourself.
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u/LCK53 1d ago
Some people just enjoy power. Those displays are an ego stroke for them.
âI have a weekend job Iâve held for. Years. Iâm committed to it and will be keeping it. I need to ask explicitly what the hours and duties are before committing to an interview.â If they decline thank them for their time and tell them they are not what youâre looking for.
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u/LilyHex 1d ago
A lot, and I mean a lot, of job positions are actually more or less fake placeholders for specific clients they're looking to hire, but they make it a public offer so they can't say they were discriminating in the hire, basically.
Literally watched someone do this shit multiple times for his company. They wanted a specific person on their team(s) and they'd put out job listing almost just FOR that person, and largely ignore others, only interviewing a few who might be qualified to compete at a lower price than the person they're trying to get.
It's vile.
But "no one wants to work anymore"...
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u/fairytale180 20h ago
I'm in Hr...so many candidates are starting to push back on this bill that it's starting to work. I'm seeing more and more pay ranges being published. N "No details about the job? No details about schedule? No details about travel requirements? No published pay range you can tell me in advance? Thanks but I'm not interested in wasting my time interviewing if I don't know it will work for me." Start pushing back, especially if you're a passive candidate/not desperate.
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u/sfcfrankcastle 1d ago
If a company wonât share that Information up front, then thatâs all you need to know about them. Transparency is paramount!
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u/Misa7_2006 21h ago
Because if they told a prospective hire everything over the phone, they would never have anyone show up for an interview.
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u/exeterdragon 1d ago
I always ask about benefits and they can never tell me anything. Never have a pamphlet, never give me any clue. Drives me insane how low effort recruiters are, I went to school for HR so I know the bare minimum they should be doing. I hate interviews that feel like I could be doing a better job on the other side of the table.
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u/Bitmush- 17h ago
âAnd do you have any questions for us about the job ?â â god no - you work in HR. Youâre the last people I would ask about a real jobâŚâ
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u/exeterdragon 17h ago
100% but I'd rather talk to someone who might at least conduct a fair, ethical interview than someone who has no idea what they're doing. My last interview was with the manager of the potential department and the opening questions were "what are you proud of? Tell me about your strengths and weaknesses?" I had to ask all of the questions about what the role actually was.
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u/IndependentPede 1d ago
Corporate personnel love to waste time. Whether it's to have meetings that could've been an email or bending over backwards for a client to keep up appearances or begging everyone to come into the office because the CEO is going to be there....I could go on.
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u/Superg0id 1d ago
Next time, excuse yourself to "go to the bathroom".
Instead of going to the bathroom, head out to reception and tell them you were sent out to request the Hiring Managers boss join them in the meeting, and that you need to wait here to escort them in.
If there's any uncertainty, play dumb, as if it's some weird employment interview task.
Then when they get there, lay into the Hiring Manager about their unprofessionallism.
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u/Mradulicious 1d ago
I would suggest post an interview review about these companies on platforms like glass door
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u/CareerCoachMarcy 19h ago
We sure WONâT be discussing this in person because Iâm not coming all the way there to find out itâs not a good fit for me. The nerve.
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u/FeetStuffIdk 1d ago
Some of them get a hard on by being a bully. I'm sorry you are going through this đđđ
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u/ForexGuy93 1d ago
Stop taking interviews if they don't answer your pre-qualification questions. Simple.
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u/ProProcrast1985 23h ago
Yes. Yes, they do enjoy this.
The offer is becoming (in most cases), such a joke that they need to "not answer these questions," or they won't have anyone interested.
That won't look good on them. And they know this.
They also know most people are hopping jobs to get a raise.
It's better to have 100 interviews and no-one being hired to play the "nobody wants to work anymore" game.
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u/NotAGeeNus 23h ago
People have limited resources. Requiring people to waste those resources is a way to make them more desperate. They think desperate people are more likely to take what they're given and not complain.
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u/moisanbar 18h ago
They say the same thing to porn actresses when they ask questions about the bookings.
âŚ.watch any doc about porn to see how that ends up.
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u/Bitmush- 17h ago
I think the precise descriptions of future activities that are inquired about, but not answered at the time, would be remarkably similar in both situations.
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u/Marvel_plant 17h ago
The hiring department is trying to hit their dumb KPIs. It looks better on paper if they get you to come in for an interview rather than lose all the candidates at the first phone call
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u/youareceo 13h ago
"I'm sorry, because your posting was misleading; and, you refuse to answer a basic, direct question about this, this interview is over and I am leaving now.
Best of luck in all your endeavors."
Turn around, open the door and walk out toward the exit. Don't even wait for an escort. Fuck them.
If they try to pull some shit like your trespassing or unescorted in secure areas, just tell anyone who comes in your way that you were trying to leave and they are trying to keep you there.
FUCK them 100%
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u/LadyGodiva243 7h ago
Imagine having no idea about salary. Not even a range, nothing. That's how it is in my country, and it sucks. It wastes everybody's time! Imagine applying for a job and then finding out in the interview that they offer for a full time job what they should pay for a part time job. They could filter out applicants if only they just gave that information, but it seems they want to work extra for no reason
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u/TacticalSpeed13 1h ago
Every time a company has done something like that to me, it means the pay is garbage and the company is garbage as well. I automatically decline wasting my time with the company like that. If they refuse to be upfront about basic things like compensation and job duties then God knows what's going to happen if you actually take the job
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u/TheUnworsihpedEvil 1d ago
What i don't understand is how many of you forget groceries in the car or leave out in general, so weird to me...
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u/Babylon-97531 1d ago
Because the Hiring people need to be seen talking to you by THEIR managers so THEY look good. They really do not care if you take the job or not... just how they look to others.
Hence the whole "RTO" business. Managers/owners don't have a time clock to worry about.
Just saying