The concept of "CAPING" and is the asian canadian/asian american community GUILTY of this?

[u/Alaskan91]

What i realized once was around some blacck young adults, and one thing they saw with disguist was other blacck people who 'caped'

Putting on a superman cape and flying high and low for a non-blackk cause. Causes ranged from lgbtq to Chicano causes to save the whales foundation to isreal-palenstine.

The response was "not my circus not my monkeys" or "go bother yourself with krap that actually applies to yoi" or "who do you think you are, a privileged white?"

This was often used to keep blacck young adults focused on African American issues.

Which i 100% get, bc they literally don't have the privilege of white people to be obsessing over 'save the whales' foundation...good for them. They understand survival in america and have massive ingroup

Do people in positions of privledge cape more? There's a reason why most animal rights and environmental activists are white ladies. The rampant white female privledge allows them to spare time and energy to focus on these things. It makes sense logically. U can't blame them.

Asians often work so much harder than privledged groups, and yet STILL find the energy to cape....for others. Are asians just into Xtra hard work and unpaid labor?

I know white ladies that drink Starbucks pumpkin spice lattes all day and work 20 hrs a week and are paid 250-500k for a crisis management, marketing, art gallery sales, country club management, public relations, investor relations, event planning and management. Positions. Until they retire by marrying a guy making 3x that. Lol. They have senators on speed dial even though they grew up in a trailer park and went to a state school. They got hired bc some other white guy or girl took a risk and hired them, demonstrating the ingroup that everybody but asians have.

Meanwhile the white guy owning the art gallery, crisis management firm, public relations firm hiring the overpaid and underworked white women, make more than than and barely work.

Asians An asian man or womnwould have to work 60 hrs a week in brain anguish such as tech, finance, or medical to hit those numbers, with massive student debt. With zero perks of the above white ladies like access to free private planes, free country club memberships, free Continuum or the lesser Equinox gym memberships, concierge medicine doctors on call (4k/month perk)...

And no, kaiser insurance isn't a perk. Many asians think it is tho

Meanwhile the asian Canadian community, with none of the privledge of aforementioned white ppl listed above, seems obsessed with caping for every ethnicity but their own, and when other ethnicities gaslight asians that asians are not helping them, asians try even harder!

Look, i know painful backbreaking restaurant labor and/or mental slavery such as engineering, medicine, accountancy, is normalized in asian cultures.

Heck, even high paid blue collar jobs like nursing is predominately fillipino, and so many have to deal with toxicity, bullying, and exhaustion and dangers from being hit by patients, blood, guts, varicose veins from standing for 12 hrs.

does this mean that asians, used to being overextended, should cape for other ethnicities other than their own when asian own ethnicity is one of the most politically weakest in the west? Or am I wrong and we aren't caping for non asian cuases ENOUGH?!

I'm not going to expand much on why asians do this, such as asian parenting hammering obedience into the kids, the fact that asian women are brainwashed to be almost subservient to their liberal school teachers ideals, and asian men being trained to follow directions and not take risks (kumon, piano, Russian school of math, violin, chess), rather than do team sports in order to learn the humor, jabbing, verbal sparring, racial hierarchies, sociopathy, leadership, and massive manipulation present in any large mixed group activity. Or that asians lack risk taking ability and have zero ingroup *(see my comments history section under my profile if you care)**

Also, do you think asians would be less self hating and white worshipping if asians focused on asian advocacy instead of non asian advocacy let's be honest, asians have little to zero racial awareness.

Tbh, asians haven't put in the amount of community work that other minorities have into their own communities. It's every asian for themselves, trying to out-academic the asian next door to get into MIT or UW or UCB or UM Urbana champagne or UT so they can be an eingeer that throws other asians under the bus and then wonder why asians (especially women haha) are so self hating. Not all, but many.

For what it's worth, African American women had some of the highest rankings of self worth and what they thought of their appearance and they self advocate more than asians. Now that I think about it, every ethnicity city advocated for themsleevs more.than asians and also has a stronger community and less self hate than asians do, collectively avergaed out amongst the members

So.... ARE asians caping too much for other ethnicities and non asian causes? OR NOT ENOUGH for non asian cuases? (Like everything else says)

Do we need a subscription to some caping service so we can get all the various capes we go through prolifically at a discounted rate?

*Not saying conservatives are better. Honestly neither cares about asians. Please don't be a blskc abd white thinker asian that thinks asians must pick a side and if I denounce liberals I must be picking a conservatives a$$hole. It's not like that.

[u/Relevant-Cat-5169]

I stopped caping for any minorities. None really care about Asian men that much. Every group is only after their own interests, except Asians.

• Asians supported BLM, yet many hate crimes were done by BM.
• Asians supported LGBT movement, yet gay Asians were never really included.
• Asians voted for democrats, yet they let crimes / homelessness run rampant in Asian predominant areas.
• Asian consumed western shows/movies, yet there are very little positive roles for AM.
• Too many hypocrites in all these groups. It is a culture where people will discard you after they are done using you.

Many Asians are like sheeps, head down, do the hard work, easily manipulated/gaslighted, and don't have an ounce of healthy anger to injustices. While everyone else are finding ways to cheat the system and exploit others. The only group Asians will cheat and treat poorly are other Asians.

[u/CuriosityStar → u/Relevant-Cat-5169]

"Asian" is just too diverse a category. Black and LGBTQ+ individuals sometimes justify opposition against immigrant communities (asians and middle easterners) for being from "regressive cultures" and "racist/homophobic countries," ignoring nuances and intersectionality. Rainbow coalitions aren't possible with the polarization of society.

[u/LemongrassWarrior]

I wonder why they do this.

This may be controversial, but Asians have low levels of self-awareness, high status concern, very high obedience, low big-picture thinking, very low in-tribe unity.

Asians simply obey the existing power structure, which promotes things like BLM, LGBTQ, Mus1ims, etc, but not Asian causes. They see high-status people promote these causes, and think they can get high status by copying (detail-orientation) but it doesn't work like that (which requires big-picture thinking to understand why). Asians try very hard to maximise their status on an individual level, but still have rock-bottom status as a group.

Promoting LGBT/feminism is considered mainstream and maybe high status, but there are cultures that are MASSIVELY homophobic, misogynistic, and violent (I won't describe what goes on) that are considered untouchable, which seems counterintuitive at first glance.

There's a big correlation between in-tribe unity and how well a group is doing, which is no surprise when you think about it. A group may have people who study hard and get a good job, but if they don't work together then the group as a whole is still weak. Recently in the UK, members of a particular tribe assaulted police officers unprovoked, and fellow tribe members came out and attacked a police station, and the police did nothing. It kind of blew my mind that that tribe had so much in-tribe unity that tribe members could commit quite a bad crime and still have other tribe members come to their aid and attack a police station. But maybe this is what a tribe is supposed to be.

[u/toskaqe]

Black activism has turned increasingly insular since the civil rights days. Back then they were internationalists who made diplomatic visits to the global south.

Anyways, while honest cooperation is still the best way forward, the prisoner's dilemma needs to be acknowledged. People who blindly shout for solidarity regardless of reciprocity are nothing but suckers. And what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

[u/CuriosityStar → u/toskaqe]

There were always strands of black separatism championed by figures like Marcus Garvey and Booker T. Washington emphasizing race over class, far before internationalist ideas like W. E. B. Du Bois's writings, Fred Hampton's Rainbow Coalition, Malcolm X's activism made strides uniting oppressed groups.

[u/amwes549 → u/toskaqe]

I remember reading about Black rights groups fighting amongst themselves, because some groups included others who were sympathetic to their cause regardless of race, and other groups hated this.

[u/TheCommentator2019 → u/toskaqe]

A famous example of this was when Muhammad Ali stood up for Vietnam, to the point that he was willing to throw away his career and go to prison over it. That wasn't his battle, as the Vietnamese were not black, nor did he expect anything back in return. Yet Ali stood up for Vietnam because it was the right thing to do. And for that, he's gone down in history as an all-time great anti-war and civil rights icon. Same goes for Malcolm X and the Black Panthers, who were also very pro-solidarity with the Global South, being quite vocal about Western imperialism in Africa, Palestine and Vietnam.

I agree to some extent that no one is entitled to their time or attention. Black Americans have their own issues to deal with, so it's a good idea to focus that time and energy to their own community. But if other black people want to "cape" for another community, it's no one else's business what they do with their time and energy.

[u/CuriosityStar → u/TheCommentator2019]

“Why should they ask me to put on a uniform and go 10,000 miles from home and drop bombs and bullets on Brown people in Vietnam while so-called Negro people in Louisville are treated like dogs?” - Muhammad Ali

[u/Wydings]

Hard for liberal Asians to score points by virtue signaling Asian issues when nobody cares about Asian issues. If White liberals cared for Asian issues then you’ll find these very same Asians advocate HARDDD AF for Asian issues. Liberal Asians are just the YT’s pet who seek YT approval.

[u/AngryPanda_79]

The Asians that cape for the Blacks are the absolute worst.

[u/Alfred_Hitch_]

Meanwhile the asian Canadian community, with none of the privledge of aforementioned white ppl listed above, seems obsessed with caping for every ethnicity but their own, and when other ethnicities gaslight asians that asians are not helping them, asians try even harder!

Truth. This was extremely obvious when Asians (particularly elders) needed support after being attacked (hate crimes). The people that "caped" for BLM/ANTIFA/LGBT didn't say one thing or show any public support for their own people. It's unforgivable, especially when we needed exposure and support for their hospital bills.

[u/teammartellclout]

Very profound topic and going to keep a open mind. Keep waking up the people 🌟

[u/emperorhideyoshi]

It’s easier to grift and get attention by talking about other issues. What’s even worse is that many of these issues don’t affect them personally.

[u/ligmachins]

I think it's good to fight for other communities (given you actually understand the issues you claim to care about), if we all did that as minorities and white ppl too, we would be much much better off, think the rainbow coalition. Honestly the state of Asian american struggle is fucked imo. The vast majority of Asian Am. politics I see are either those "caping" liberals who call ourselves white adjacent and throw us under the bus or those guys who only care about Asian Am. men, are weirdly tolerant of white supremacy, and take every spare breath to shit on black people (generalizing but ykwim). So I'd say half of us are guilty of internalizing anti-asian racism and having no backbone, trying to prove themselves when westerners will always scapegoat us for being the most racist and insular, no matter what we do. Then the other half of us thinks they're defending Asians and don't give a shit about anyone else, but just says the same shit that white ppl want them to say. There are Asians out there standing strong with both their communities and others. It's not common but we need more of that. It's not either us or them (Asians or non-asians). First organization that comes to mind is Nodutdol, Korean American coalition against US imperialism in Korea. They stand out to me as principled.

[u/OldThrashbarg2000]

I'm not 100% sure I understand the definition of caping, but is it basically fighting for causes outside of one's immediate ethnic/cultural group? If so, I think that's a good thing, and I hope it happens more, not less. It's just that some of the causes are bad.

[u/CuriosityStar → u/OldThrashbarg2000]

Helping other causes doesn't have to conflict with advocating for our own either. People like Fred Hampton saw the common roots of inequality and united many groups to support each other in their common struggle.

[u/Alaskan91 → u/CuriosityStar]

Is our time on earth finite or infinite? R u asain?

[u/CuriosityStar → u/Alaskan91]

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. Seek to help other causes that also advance our own at the same time. Economic inequality, environmental justice, immigration, all of these will also indirectly help asians. Upper middle class liberal virtue signaling for BLM on social media is not a "cause" to be proud of.

[u/Alula_Australis]

I get what you're saying (I think?). The problem you see being that some Asians will focus (or cape if you will) for causes that do not impact them as much as Asian advocacy does, like a beginner to fitness focusing on the exact grams of creatine rather than lifting. Or perhaps a starving man who focuses on mental health rather than getting enough food.

I agree to some extent that can be an issue, but everyone is free to do what they want. I would honestly expect such behavior from people who haven't experienced as much overt racism for their race (such as in Asian majority areas), or they are just blinded to it.

For everyone else, it's not like we have to choose a single cause to advocate for, though yeah we have limited energy so choose wisely. I choose my areas of focus, which isn't just Asian advocacy.

So sure, it's an issue. But when we see yt people advocate for these causes like environmentalism, it would be unfair of us to believe the Asians that do the same to be part of the problem. Blaming them for advocation of good causes over better ones is like blaming a blind person for following a one eyed man.

Don't blame the whales, or the ozone layer, or First Nations genocide, or lgbtq legalization.

Blame societal minimization of Asian diaspora issues instead, blame the politicians that scapegoat our populations, blame the wealthy who only benefit from keeping us down, blame the lazy and ignorant who would rather point fingers at others than admit they're the problem. 

[u/TheCommentator2019]

Was it "caping" when Muhammad Ali made a stand for Vietnam? To the point that he was willing to throw away his career and go to prison over it. That wasn't his battle, as the Vietnamese were not black, nor did he expect anything back in return. Yet Ali supported Vietnam because it was the right thing to do. Same goes for Malcolm X and the Black Panthers, who spoke about solidarity with the Global South, being quite vocal about Western imperialism in Africa, Palestine and Vietnam.

I agree to some extent that no one is entitled to their time or attention. Black Americans have their own issues to deal with, so it's a good idea to focus that time and energy to their own community. But if other black people want to "cape" for another community, it's no one else's business what they do with their time and energy. Ultimately, that's an individual choice, as black people are not a monolith.

Same goes for Asians, I guess. Just like black people are not a monolith, Asians are not a monolith either. It's up to you as an individual to pick your battles. If you want to focus on Asian causes, then more power to you. If you want to focus on non-Asian causes, I don't see an issue with that either. Ultimately, that's an individual choice.

[u/Alex_Jinn]

Asians that care about other people's issues must be billionaires with too much free time.

So they should buy up houses in California and give them to AM/AF couples for free on the condition they raise 3+ kids.

Since they have so much extra mental bandwidth to care about non-Asian issues, they should be able to help other Asians easily.

Yeah, I know they are not actually billionaires with free time.

But all these Asian suckers care too much about other people's problems.

Fact: Both liberals and conservatives are not our friends. The only good move is to manipulate them into fighting each other.

Trump deporting Latinos and brown Muslims is not our problem.

Latinos and brown Muslims illegally immigrating to America is not our problem either.

Don't agree? Buy me a 5-bedroom house in NoCal or SoCal and help me find a Northeast Asian wife who will move to America with me then.

Do the same for other AM/AF couples too.

Why not? You don't have the time or money? Then how the hell do you have the time to care about non-Asian issues?

[u/CrayScias]

I hate when we cape for others, I get jealous that Asians cape for LGBT and not Asians at all. Like in the youtube video Math has a Fatal Flaw, there was a commenter that made an Asian penis joke about Hao Wang, Wang good, making fun of us just cause his name sounds funny in English. Hao Wang just cause he was friends with Kurt Godel. Freaking bs. Then an Asian poster had to attack beliefs just cause of the stupid things they did to make Alan Turing a martyr. Dang it all, we simp for other groups but not to the benefit of our own image.

[u/CrayScias]

I know I know I shouldn't cape for the darker skinned Jews even. But just trying to take care of ourselves without having to worry which men whether white or color will take over our countries. Other than that, I feel that whites whether left wing or right wing have a vague sense of what woke is. They will frequently star a woman of color for white men or women to lust after(except when it comes to token black women) leaving the men of color(except probably black) out of the picture of some big film or tv series. It's like I roll my eyes when I see people seethe, mostly right wingers saying they overstep their bounds. Right wingers should be ashamed of themselves as well. If they actually believe in what God wrote in the book, it says every male of color is suppose to be happy about their identity for God created them, and extra points of punishment if the white men prefers them being gay. Which is wrong, stealing all the women for yourselves that ain't right.

[u/CrayScias]

I am unfortunately caping for the Jewish community, just cause I think those Jewish that are WMAF have had their blood diluted by Europeans, so I don't consider those in hollywood Jewish at all. I'm talking about the darker skinned Jewish people. Most Asians will see them as white, but so are all the Arabs. It's just taking the black viewpoint and imposing on Arabs. The darker the better and more credentialized you are. It's colorism in reverse imo. Anyway yeah I'm simping for the Jewish community. Only cause I care about my motherland's country in the future in Asia. No one is swarming to Africa and they have it good that ladies are mostly visiting. We don't have that privilege and I do not like it. I can't unite with these fake liberals who posts mean hearted jokes about Asians and leave everyone else with lesser offensive jokes. And these minorities can't take criticism, so you can't throw jokes at them. Criticism vs joking are two different things. So throw jokes at Asians, no criticism, but criticism at other minorties and no jokes at them. Sorry I can't. These guys are child molestors not our brethren. Please don't ask me to join these guys who don't acknowledge the shit they put us through. Only God can make us become brothers, but it takes one of a pure mind.