r/boxoffice Feb 20 '25

International 'Ne Zha 2' Is Highest-Grossing Animated Movie Ever Worldwide, Tops $1.7B | 8th Highest Grossing Film of All Time

https://deadline.com/2025/02/ne-zha-2-biggest-animated-film-ever-1236296068/
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u/LackingStory Feb 20 '25

It's still crazy all that money was made in a single country! China never had a movie make more than 920 mil worldwide ever and their first film to break a billion breaks 2 billions? All in a single market? WTF!

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u/TheCommentator2019 Feb 20 '25

Reminds me of what Demon Slayer did in Japan. That did insane BO numbers for the Japanese market.

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u/mg10pp DreamWorks Feb 21 '25

Exactly, Demon Slayer didn't have such a crazy increase but considering it was an already developed market that most thought had already reached its max potential, having a film grossing 100 million more than the previous record (and an increase of around 50%) was absolutely incredible

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u/Steamdecker Feb 21 '25

Look up the box office admissions wiki. China owns the top 10 on that chart with 9 of them having 500M+ tickets sold. They didn't gross as much simply because the tickets were dirt cheap back then.

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u/LackingStory Feb 21 '25

that's not a fair comparison cause you would be dismissing how expensive tickets are in the west which naturally suppresses attendance. Just look at the Tuesday "discount day" box office numbers in the US, they are always significantly bigger despite being mid-week.

There's a way to settle that issue and test your hypothesis which says "attendance was always massive, it's just the tickets being cheaper before". If you're right, then we will see how other movies do in the Chinese box office at these prices moving forward. That will be fun.

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u/Steamdecker Feb 21 '25

You'll have to factor in the GDP per capita then.
The US's GDP per capita is about 6-7x of China's while the average ticket price is about 2-3x more.
The "discount day" (~$6 in my area) would make it almost the same as the regular price in China. So "suppressed attendance" is not really a fair argument either.

A quick search also shows that they've had a handful of movies with 100M+ admissions in recent years too - although Ne Zha 2 has more than doubled that.

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u/LackingStory Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25

Not really, GDP per capita purchasing power parity for the US is only 2x China. Plus, the wealth gap in the US is much more drastic than China, movies are a middle class commodity, the gap is narrowing, but still. Plus, in North America streaming competes with theatrical for that disposable income, China doesn't have Netflix and whatever streamers they have, they aren't as big or prolific in movies as the ones here.

Regarding the Wiki admissions article: before Nezha2, 100% of Chinese movies that had more than 200M admissions were before the year 1985 and that includes 100% of those that made over 500M admissions. I don't know what happened since, but those massive numbers are irrelevant since they are all from the 70's and early 80's.

Finally, your point was "attendance was always massive, tickets just got pricier" to explain Nezha2's massive numbers, but then you admitted Nezha2's 260M admissions doubled Nezha1's 140M admissions. I'll add to that "Chagjin" which was the biggest movie of all time in China before Ne Zha 2, it had 125M admissions. All this point to the fact it wasn't the ticket prices that drove Ne Zha 2's massive box office gross, but it was more so the number of admissions.

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u/Steamdecker Feb 21 '25

Or a combination of both. In any case, Nezha 2's performance is unprecedented. Let's just sit back and see how it performs going forward.

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u/Ardenom Feb 21 '25

Idk why this is downvoted. I think your PPP comparison is slightly off, but China does have a much higher per capita figure than I thought. Almost twice the normal per capita, that’s crazy

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u/DONOVANMITCHELLBOI Feb 21 '25

Sure its a fair comparison. If a countries tickets are more expensive then its the fault of that country for not having cheaper tickets then isnt it. Also why do we take us dollar box office sales as the truth when in reality it should be tickets sold. And thats the box office admissions list. The original comment was about how many people went to go see a particular movie. If high prices turns people off and in other countries its cheaper then thats what it is. Its not the fault of the country with cheaper tickets. They let more people go watch them because tickets are cheaper, good.

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u/LackingStory Feb 21 '25

? That's what I'm saying, Nezha2's numbers is more cause of attendance than ticket price.

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u/DONOVANMITCHELLBOI Feb 21 '25

What was the original point you were trying to make. That if the chinese box office was always big then itll continue to be big at these prices? So now that the tickets cost more in china naturally the usd revenue will be bigger too? Thats a good thing. Hope more big blockbuster chinese films come out animated or not.

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u/LackingStory Feb 21 '25

What I'm saying is the Chinese market seems to have grown for Nezha2 driven by increased attendance more so than a rise ticket prices. Right now it is at 270M admissions, a new record in admissions disregarding the numbers from before 1985.

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u/DONOVANMITCHELLBOI Feb 21 '25

Definitely a good thing. Hope it continues to grow

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u/WorkingBet9469 Feb 21 '25

Not really. From what I’ve heard from some box office trackers, many older films in China have free community screenings, and their footfalls are also counted. Even those numbers are controversial but they are definitely huge.

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u/ray0923 Feb 21 '25

It has become a movement over here and people love to contribute.

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u/ZanyZeke Feb 21 '25

China’s Avatar

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u/MingoUSA Feb 20 '25

Ne Zha 2 is just amazing in every aspect.

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u/LackingStory Feb 20 '25

I wish they dubbed the second movie too, the first movie's English dubbing is amazing. Remember, families don't watch subtitled films... Such a wasted opportunity.

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u/IBM296 Feb 21 '25

We'll probably get a dubbed version this summer considering the phenomenon Ne Zha 2 has been.

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u/your_mind_aches Feb 21 '25

They should have done a dub at the theatre. They left money on the table there

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u/PrismBlade-66 Feb 21 '25

Yea but not everyone wants to see a dubbed version

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u/your_mind_aches Feb 21 '25

Okay? But that's, like, us. Film fans. An animated family film would need to be dubbed to appeal to a family demographic.

Six year-olds who can listen faster than they can read aren't gonna sit in the theatre reading subtitles that flash on screen for a few seconds and go "hmmm yes, quite interesting"

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u/LackingStory Feb 21 '25

Exactly... This sells as a family film, 4 quadrant, accessible. I can see many parents interested willing to lead their kids to watch it, but subtitles immediately kills that. Not everyone is hyped or knows about the film, it should be accessible to passive audiences.

Scott Mendelson posted his podcast/substack on this sub and relayed this exact complaint: He said he couldn't convince his kids to come watch it with him, otherwise he would've gone multiple times. Right there, that's 5 tickets lost, and he had excellent WOM, so he's telling other parents, but they're not as likely to do it for the same reason, such a wasted opportunity.

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u/your_mind_aches Feb 21 '25

I guess it's such a domestic hit that the creative team is barely thinking about that and the studio will organise it later

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u/LEXX911 Feb 22 '25

If they want money outside of China. They should have dubbed it ahead of time. Studio Ghibli's films are a good example. Dubbed animations are more forgivable than live actions/actors.

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u/Temstar Feb 21 '25

How was the dubbing on the first one? I've heard conflicting opinion about it.

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u/LackingStory Feb 21 '25

It was excellent, it used American vernacular and humor and it works perfectly.

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u/TryingToPassMath Feb 21 '25

Dubbing was great, I love Ao bing’s voice especially

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u/Steamdecker Feb 21 '25

You could check that out on youtube and judge for yourself.

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy Feb 21 '25

And what if its regional blocked

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u/Steamdecker Feb 21 '25

Well, I guess you could rent it from places like Amazon Prime Video or something.

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy Feb 21 '25

Prime also is regional blocked.

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u/Temstar Feb 21 '25

Can't see it, region locked in Australia.

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u/Block-Busted Feb 21 '25

I don’t think it would’ve worked this time considering how disturbing this one can get.

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u/Block-Busted Feb 21 '25

Don’t be silly. Some parts of the film were needlessly overdone.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '25

Bros just mad that his crappy disney project is no longer the highest grossing animated film of all time

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u/Block-Busted Feb 21 '25

Box office doesn’t always mean much when it comes to quality. Like, for one, some of the jokes in this film felt like ones that Illumination would tell you to tone them down.

Also, in what bizarro world is Inside Out 2 even close to being “crappy”?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '25

Yeah whatever you say but this film is literally about to do 2 billion and I don't think. Any animated film even zootopia2 or Shrek 5 will come close to it

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u/Block-Busted Feb 21 '25

It would’ve been something if this actually caught up outside of China, but that’s not exactly happening here, not to mention that, again, box office doesn’t always mean quality.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '25

But it is getting attention I've seen more people watch the first film on letterbox

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u/Block-Busted Feb 21 '25

Not enough to become a worldwide success, though.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '25

It doesn't need to be a worldwide succes because it's already made so much at the box office, plus zootopia 2 is made by Walt Disney and they have a track record of their sequels being worse than the original just look at how Moana 2 made so much but it still struggled to hit a billion

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy Feb 21 '25

Before IO2, there war Lion King 19 which is "crappy"

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u/Halfmoonhero Feb 21 '25

People are getting shamed into watching it here lol. My girlfriend responded to someone on WeChat moments that she hasn’t seen it yet and people started berating her saying she’s unpatriotic and shit and that they had already seen it 6-7 times or so.

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u/johnkuang123 Mar 01 '25

Where's here? Your girlfriend's Wechat friend circle full of haters? No average citizen is shaming someone for not watching a movie.

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u/Halfmoonhero Mar 02 '25

Yes they are lol

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u/LackingStory Feb 21 '25

Jesus, I thought the articles that mentioned this angle were exaggerating, they did turn it into a rally around the flag moment.

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u/alotofdurians Feb 22 '25

It's weirdly a thing, I lived in Beijing for five years and a guy I knew said his dad was calling him unpatriotic for not having seen Wolf Warrior 2 yet. Wolf Warrior is obnoxious nationalist porn, but the social pressure behind "we must all do our part to make X thing big For The Motherland" is part of life. It really amped up around 2017-2019 with Xin Jinping, with even a shared bike company putting giant patriotic slogans on its bikes. It was definitely weird to hear a 10-year-old student repeating the slogan

I was at a conference and a speaker on philanthropy said historically it's not as much of a thing in their culture, but concluded with China should aim to become world leaders in philanthropy for the nation's glory

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u/LackingStory Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25

There's that aspect of their market that's really strange still. It's not just Wolf Warrior, the biggest film ever before Ne Zha2 was Battle at Lake Chagjin. Their biggest producer and distributor of films with 35% market share is the China Film Group Corporation, a subsidiary of the Department of Propaganda of the CCP. That's Disney's market share on their record breaking year 2019 in North America. It's weird to imagine. I am glad Nezha2 wasn't made by them, so that's a win.

All that is clearly feeding into the nationalist fervor, I guess that remnant is still there despite the country opening in an unprecedented way.

I'm happy Nezha2 dethroned Chagjin.

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u/Halfmoonhero Feb 22 '25

Everything is a rally around the flag moment.

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u/LackingStory Feb 22 '25

this might be harsh, but this exposes an inferiority complex.

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u/Halfmoonhero Feb 23 '25

Yeah it is, but they don’t care and don’t even know what that is or means. Check out black myth wukong awards and just recently HOI 4 India DLC. Massive inferiority complex at the moment with all kids of media.

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u/NIDORAX Feb 21 '25

The first movie in 2019 made a lot of money as well. If I recall, the 1st movie made roughly $742.7million in 2019.

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u/MingoUSA Feb 21 '25

And the director Jiaozi invested all the money he made from the 1st one, like 70 million USD, into the 2nd movie, almost 10 times the budget of the first one.

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u/artifexlife Feb 21 '25

And it’ll probably be the most profitable film that earned over 1Billion.

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u/TikkiEXX77 Feb 21 '25

Watched it on Netflix. Was pretty good actually

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u/Krountedww Feb 21 '25

the one you must have watched in Netflix was the 2021 one, made by a different company, not Nezha 1 (2019)

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u/TikkiEXX77 Feb 21 '25

Think you're right. Gonna have to hunt down the original version

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u/GGAnth Feb 21 '25

It's in Kanopy. You can have access (likely but not 100% sure) with your local library membership.

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u/NeighborhoodBest4148 Feb 21 '25

Ne Zha 2019 is Free on YouTube

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u/TikkiEXX77 Feb 23 '25

Thank you kind sir

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u/criminal3 Feb 21 '25

They had the 2019 one on Netflix for a while as well, but I guess they lost the rights.

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u/Express-World-8473 Feb 21 '25

It's on YouTube too btw

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u/nomnommon247 Feb 21 '25

it was good just saw it!

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u/JazzySugarcakes88 Feb 20 '25

In the future, I predict that Detective Chinatown 4 or another R rated Chinese movie will dethrone Deadpool & Wolverine as the highest grossing R rated movie of all time

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u/Dispensor2007 DC Feb 20 '25

Detective Chinatown 2 was wrongfully rated R for brief language even though it only had 2 f words which should be allowed in PG-13 movies. The Creator was even rated PG-13 when it had 5 f words!

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u/FartingBob Feb 21 '25

Oh Fuck!

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u/Cyanxdlol Feb 21 '25

That’s a R rating

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u/PokePersona Marvel Studios Feb 21 '25

Don’t worry, they get one.

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u/SureTangerine361 Feb 21 '25

Well, China does not rate movies, so technically this will never happen.

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u/PercentageDazzling Feb 21 '25

Detective Chinatown 2 and 3 were released in the United States and actually got an R rating from the MPA. So it's possible another comedy could release in the US and be rated R to break the record.

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u/JazzySugarcakes88 Feb 21 '25

The only movie that has a chance to beat Deadpool and Wolverine is The Resurrection of the Christ, and that can only beat it domestically

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u/Firefox72 Best of 2023 Winner Feb 20 '25

Detective Chinatown 4 will have to be by far the best entry in the franchise thats not exactly known for its top quality.

DC3 could have been a $1B movie had it not been terrible. And that alone set the franchise back below $500M total with DC 1900.

And while DC1900 repaired some audience trust its still an incredibly tall task to get numbers required to pass $1.3B

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u/Express-World-8473 Feb 21 '25

Yeah I was really looking forward to DC3, but the movie was such a disappointment after a great second part. Compared to that, Hi mom was way better that year.

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u/DecayingNightscape Feb 20 '25

Not impossible but will be tough, that franchise has not been able to across ¥5B yet, its highest grossing entry with today's exchange rate is just about $625M or so, to more than double that in the next entry will take a lot. Though who knows, NeZha 2's number seems basically impossible a month ago.

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u/Consuela_no_no Feb 21 '25

DC4 will have to be better than 1, as 2 & 3 were ok the lower end quality wise, to make that amount.

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u/SecureDonkey Feb 21 '25

Doubt it consider Chinese market are mostly family going to movie together so the "not family friendly" movie wouldn't go that well over there. The only thing make Deadpool go well is because people still think that Marvel is for children.

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u/spinal888 Feb 21 '25

Besides the fun story and crazy animation, one huge sale point is that the movie pays big tribute to the funniest movie star in Chinese movie history, Stephen Chow(kungfu, shaolin soccer). There are many dialogues in the movie referencing famous acts from his movies.

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u/Create_Greatness92 Feb 21 '25

I'm rooting for it to earn every penny possible.

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u/ImNotHighFunctioning Feb 21 '25

I'm pissed my drive got corrupted and I can't watch the original and Jiang Ziya in preparation for whenever this is released digitally 😭 I had them in Chinese and I can't find them (legally) anywhere. All I can find is the dubs...

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u/kaje10110 Feb 21 '25

YouTube has Nezha 1 for free if you live in US. You can change audio track to Chinese.

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u/Zardhas Feb 21 '25

I had them in Chinese and I can't find them (legally) anywhere.

Then go for the seven seas.

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u/ImNotHighFunctioning Feb 21 '25

Yeah that was my point. I had them from the seven seas, but the drive I had them in was corrupted.

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u/NeighborhoodBest4148 Feb 22 '25

Just watch 1 on YouTube for free.

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u/NeighborhoodBest4148 Feb 22 '25

Just watch 1 on YouTube for free.

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u/Digifan1999 Feb 21 '25

I still can't believe it. Inside Out 2 was #1 for five months and this film dethroned it in just four weeks. As much as I love and support Pixar, Inside Out 2 wasn't the film I thought it deserved the crown. I am glad this film sending Hollywood a message that we want diverse stories and not junk cash grab films. But I still haven't forgave China for dethroning Endgame after rereleasing Avatar.

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u/TigerGroundbreaking Feb 22 '25

What? Inside out 2 wasn't just a cash grab and was a really good movie.

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u/Block-Busted Feb 21 '25

In what bizarro world is Inside Out 2 even close to being a cash grab? Also, if being a sequel is a cash grab, you DO realize that this is a sequel, right?

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u/Digifan1999 Feb 22 '25

I wouldn't call it as a cash grab as Pixar movies never felt like one except for Cars 2. Inside Out 2 is a good movie but there were times I felt Anxiety and the other emotions should have popped up when Riley starts middle school instead of hockey camp.

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u/Ok_Power1067 Feb 22 '25

As much as I enjoyed inside out 2. The plot is too similar to the first one, just different emotions. 

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u/Block-Busted Feb 22 '25

Well, this film’s plot is still noticeably weaker.

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u/Ok_Power1067 Feb 22 '25

Yeah Ne Zha 2 plot felt a bit rushed but the animation and action scenes make up to it. In my opinion. It gives it an 8/10 movie 

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u/TigerGroundbreaking Feb 22 '25

Yh it's still dealing with emotions

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u/One_Lobster2803 Feb 28 '25

Yeah Ne Zha 2 is more deserving in that title, and just doesn't seems to like what is Pixar doing with their sequel, to just retreating the first movie most of the time is not fun 

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u/Ok_Satisfaction8788 Feb 21 '25

So what is this gonna end at? Number 5 all time? Between TFA and Titanic?

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u/Express-World-8473 Feb 21 '25

The minimum it will surpass spiderman No way home and at the other end of predictions, it will surpass Avatar 2.

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u/BuildingLess1814 Feb 21 '25

Yeah, no.

This movie will end up as #1 of all time since it's run is not even over. There's a good 4-5 months for a film's run at bare minimum.

It's already broken Inside Out 2 as the highest grossing animated film of all time, it's going to end up as #1 of the world and the Chinese are allowing this to happen all to destroy America.

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u/Recent-Ad4218 Feb 21 '25

Won't touch Avengers endgame or the first Avatar

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u/Marnige Feb 23 '25

I do think the movie have yet run it's course, it only just started internationally and haven't even release in some places. If it does well, perhaps this might happen.

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u/Recent-Ad4218 Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

It's not earning enough outside china warrant that opinion

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u/BuildingLess1814 Feb 21 '25

Sadly it will.

It's inevitable!

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u/generko Feb 22 '25

Why is this sad? Really?

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u/Recent-Ad4218 Feb 21 '25

It's predicted to end at 2.1- 2.2 billion by Chinese box office sites like Maoyan. Where did you get the idea that nezha 2 gonna catch endgame and avatar?

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u/One_Lobster2803 Feb 28 '25

Lol what's is this narrative.. 

Ne Zha 2 isn't gonna stick around for 4 to 5 months in cinema even in China

movies releases in China had predestined dated 

and they were had to taken out Endgame early, because the movie is doing "to well" to their CCP liking

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u/Resilient_Material14 Feb 21 '25

Good for China.

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u/Odd-Size-5239 Feb 21 '25

Not good for America

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u/best_second_guess Feb 21 '25

This is #67,409,218,467 on the list of things that aren’t good for America.

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy Feb 21 '25

I think America has now bigger problems.

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u/B_art_account Feb 21 '25

So good for the world

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u/InuKaT Feb 21 '25

Saw this movie today. I tried to keep my expectations low because I couldn’t find any reviews where it didn’t feel like the reviewer was reading off a script while being held at gunpoint. Also watched the first movie in 2019 and thought it was extremely mid.

Contrary to the hype the movie has its flaws. Some jokes were pretty funny but a handful of few felt like they were trying too hard. Story and pacing were also a bit awkward at times, I felt like a lot of emotional scenes were rushed and wished they were more fleshed out.

However I don’t think I’ve seen an animated movie with so many fight scenes before and some of the action sequences are just peak. Not everything was choreographically or stylistically memorable, but it was highly entertaining throughout. IMO I wouldn’t say it’s up to the hype of the glazers - there are far more animated movies recently that hit me harder emotionally and visually despite grossing less at the box office (Puss in Boots 2, Spiderverse 2, Wild Robot), but it’s definitely worth watching over skipping. I’d rewatch it again.

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u/Block-Busted Feb 21 '25

I actually thought the opposite regarding emotional scenes since I felt like they were too drawn out.

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u/InuKaT Feb 21 '25

By rushed and not fleshed out I mean they didn’t really have that much substance to them. I think the screen time given to them was fine, but the script didn’t really do much for much meaningful character growth and some it felt cheap deep. I felt like they were just there but the movie still felt more plot driven than character driven.

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u/liujoey Feb 23 '25

any chance the culture difference and language barrier makes you feel less connected to the eastern characters and the myth plots?

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u/InuKaT Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25

I'm actually Chinese but I was born in Canada. I grew up with a lot of the older animations with my favourite and most nostalgic being The Legend of Nezha. I have an okay understanding of the lore behind most of the artifacts and locations, so following the movie's plot wasn't an issue and I was able to predict some of the later plot points based on the foreshadowing earlier on.

My Chinese isn't very good, so I know I'm missing a lot of the nuances in the in the dialogue but even I can tell the English translation isn't perfect and is missing a lot of the poetry. I think a native speaker will be definitely be able to appreciate the script better than I did.

There was also some minor stuff that bothered me and felt like lazy storywriting. For example (SPOILERS), Nezha's parents are able to fly in the second movie, which I don't remember happening in the first movie. It just felt like they were given the ability to fly because the plot demanded them to be present at certain locations only reachable by flight.

Nezha's mother being written as a capable fighter was whatever to me. Her character in previous media I've seen was always a protective, loving mother with no fighting capability making her much weaker physically than Nezha, yet she still found ways and made sacrifices to protect her child. I feel that making her a capable warrior did lessen the emotional impact of the climax for me despite it being my favourite non-action scene in the movie.

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u/KhaLe18 Feb 21 '25

I haven't watched it, but I think this is probably the closest to accurate description of it, going by both the first one and some of the reviews on Duoban.

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u/BerserkerLord101 Feb 21 '25

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

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u/Individual_Talk4142 Feb 21 '25

Hyped to see it now

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u/NeighborhoodBest4148 Feb 22 '25

Good luck getting a good seat.

In every one of my local theaters there are only corner seats or front seats left for good (evening/weekend) showtimes.

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u/Hinkle94 Feb 21 '25

Had not heard of this series until about 3 weeks ago when my wife (who is Chinese) told me she wanted to see it. We watched the first one at home, which I thought was pretty good after it got through all of the table-setting.

The second film blew me away. I'm generally fatigued by superhero-y action fight set pieces. This movie has a ton of them, but each one is unique, interesting, and visually coherent. The world building is its biggest strength. Both films, particularly the second one, are propelled by characters with political motivations. I won't say this is baby's first game of thrones, but it does sort of have that flavor? It's quite good.

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u/Born_Walrus_7217 Feb 22 '25

It’s the best fucking movie I’ve seen in a long time.

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u/AvangeliceMY9088 Feb 21 '25

So many angry/butthurt redditors not taking the time to Google up who Nazha is who is one diety out of many in the taoist belief and even angrier seeing China do well.

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u/AvangeliceMY9088 Feb 24 '25

I beg to disagree. I do not understand why Americans cannot accept that China can do something good and nt think it's the Chinese goverment propping them up. Years of western media making China as the boogeyman seems to have instilled something in the American psyche.

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u/Chulinfather Feb 21 '25

Cool!!! Now tell me, what the fuck is ‘ne zha’?

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u/bloodyturtle Feb 21 '25

Probably the second most famous character in Chinese literary mythology after Wukong

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u/SecureDonkey Feb 21 '25

Funny thing is, both of them aren't actually mythology figures. They are just characters from two most popular Chinese novels, no one actually worship them.

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u/kaje10110 Feb 21 '25

You obviously do not know what you are talking about. Nezha worship is crazy in Taiwan. He is always part of religious parade. Here is the list of his temples in Taiwan.

https://temples.tw/list?god=%E4%B8%89%E5%A4%AA%E5%AD%90

Btw, he’s not referred as Nezha by his followers but “Third Prince” or “Prince”. We do not call him Nezha. If you are praying to him, you must refer to him as “your royal highness”.

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u/ThroughTheSeaOfTime Feb 21 '25

You don't have to worship a character for them to be mythological.

They have to be from myths and folklore, that's it. The old Norse didn't worship Jormungandr, the Irish didn't worship Morrigan, etc.

The vast majority of ancient Greeks worshipped Zeus, but that doesn't mean they all also unanimously thought something like the Minotaur deserved worship, or even that it was real. The Minotaur is still mythological.

All that really matters is that they have myths and stories featuring them, people didn't even need to believe they were true at the time for it to be mythology.

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u/SecureDonkey Feb 21 '25

Even that, there is no myth of them other than from the novel either. They are both from fanfiction novel featuring Gods from the actual mytho. Think of them like Kratos from God of War or Yato from Noragami.

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u/MorbillionDollars Feb 21 '25

The fact that they're from a fan fiction esque novel written far after the original creation doesn't exclude them from being considered mythology though.

Mythology is constantly shaped and reshaped by later interpretations, what we think of as "greek mythology" wasn't something that was created and set in stone. There were hundreds of prominent mythographers who contributed their own "fan fictions" over a 1000+ year time span, and we collectively consider all of it to be under the umbrella of "greek mythology".

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u/SecureDonkey Feb 21 '25

But the character is OC and 100% fiction, there no myth before or after they was create.

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u/MorbillionDollars Feb 21 '25

Dawg do you think the greek gods were real? Do you think they actually existed? No, obviously not, the gods are characters in stories. Stories that were created to explain phenomena they didn't have the answers to at the time, explore human nature and morality, create a basis for religious procedures, or just simply to provide entertainment.

Literally all myths are fictional and made up, every mythological figure was an "OC" and "100% fiction" at some point, the only difference is when they were made up. Gods like Hecate and Eros were created multiple centuries later than gods like Zeus, Hera, and Poseidon.

Why are you so opposed to the idea of calling nezha and wukong mythological figures? Your requirements are so arbitrary.

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u/kaje10110 Feb 21 '25

You should read up on Nezha’s Chinese wiki page (not English page since that one is extremely short). Nezha’s story has been recorded in books hundreds of years before Investiture of the Gods. He was definitely in folktales before it was ever written down. Just like Snow White is not created by Disney nor Grimms brothers.

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u/B_art_account Feb 21 '25

The novel is similar to the Odyssey where it's based on myths people worshiped already, bit it was mostly word of mouth and not written

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u/hemareddit Feb 21 '25

You can say the same about Ovid’s works, but they are considered mythology today.

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy Feb 21 '25

Who now ho it would look like for next thousands years, maybe Kratos and Xena will be cosider as part of greek mythos added in later period.

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u/t3rmina1 Feb 21 '25

Nezha is an actual Buddhist deity with roots from Indian mythology. Wukong was created for the novel Journey to the West. However, he interacts with actual mythological figures in the novel, such as Nezha.

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u/Okilokijoki Feb 21 '25

Ne zha and Sun Wukong are both  Taoist deities and are worshipped in Taoist temples.  They are not worshipped by Buddhists. 

It's kind of confusing for Wukong because canonically he became Buddhist, but think of how Jesus is a Christian God despite being Jewish. 

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u/t3rmina1 Feb 21 '25

https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E5%93%AA%E5%90%92/35250

晋代时期 《佛所行赞经·第一生品》记载:“毗沙门天王,生那罗鸠婆,一切诸天众,皆悉大欢喜,王今生太子,迦毗罗卫国,一切诸人民,欢喜亦如是。”

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u/Okilokijoki Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25

You wouldn't introduce Zeus as a Roman god or define  Christmas as a pagan holiday.   

 Ne zha today is a Taoist deity with influences from a previous Buddhist deity (with Hindu influences (likely with Indo-Iranian influences ))) . But today the deity called Nezha (and not Naluojiupo like the text you quoted or even Nazha like some later Buddhist texts called him) is a disciple of the Taoist Taiyi born in  Chentang Pass who famously brought upon the wrath of Tianting (Taoist heaven).    He is worshipped in Taoist/folk religion temples and not Buddhist ones so him in his Nezha form is not a Buddhist deity. 

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u/t3rmina1 Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25

While he had gradually been taking on Taoist elements, and he had been worshipped by Buddhists and Taoists, it was the Investiture of the Gods or during that period around the 1500 and 1600s that codified his origin story and identity as a Taoist deity. That's pretty late in Chinese history.

In the Baidu article, during the Ming dynasty there's a mix of Buddhist and Taoist references to Nezha. https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E5%93%AA%E5%90%92/35250

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy Feb 21 '25

Well actually Christmas has many traditions take from pagans.

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u/B_art_account Feb 21 '25

Idk about wukong, but Nezha is actually worshipped in China. He's the god protector of children and I'm pretty sure people have altars for him

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u/qqcar Feb 21 '25 edited Feb 21 '25

Wukong and Nezha are quite different when it comes to the origins of these two characters. You are right about Wukong, the prototype story of JTTW have existed for a few centuries before the novel, including a monkey and other beastly creatures that travelled with the monk(which was based on a real event that that took place during the Tang dynasty), but the Wukong that we know today is indeed an original character from the Novel JTTW.

However, Nezha was an actual god from ancient Chinese mythology that predates the novel fengshenyanyi by thousands of years. He was originally an Indian Buddhist deity known as Nalakuvara, and the earliest mention is recorded in this Buddhist scripture, the name was translated and shortened to Nazha in Chinese, and over millennia became Nezha. The the author of FSYY(Investiture of the Gods), took existing characters and creatures from mythology and folklores, including another extremely popular god Erlang Shen, and added lore and story to them, explaining how they eventually become gods, hence the novel's name.

A loose comparison would be the God of War game(JTTW/FSYY), where Kratos is an original character created by Santa Monica(Wukong), but characters like Zeus are deities from ancient mythology(Nezha).

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u/rainbowyuc Feb 21 '25

Not strictly true. While Wukong was originally from a 16th century novel, there are actual real life temples in his honor. And I have personally witnessed paintings of him put up in a building that was supposed to be haunted. I presume because of his demon-slaying reputation. I don't know if that counts as worship, but it's definitely worship adjacent.

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u/No_Candidate240 Feb 22 '25

Various legends, myths and folktales about Wukong, or superpower monkeys existed long before the 16th-century novel...The author Wu Cheng En just collected (or combined) them all into the book. The same with Ne Zha. Their stories existed way before...

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u/AJGILL03 Feb 21 '25

I think yeah that's right

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u/Chulinfather Feb 21 '25

Wow, that’s pretty cool. That much box office money in a single country… legendary

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u/cad0420 Feb 21 '25

Chinese Bart Simpson but killed himself then reborn as a God. 

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u/whereisyourwaifunow Feb 21 '25

cowabunga, 酷哥

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u/B_art_account Feb 21 '25

God protector of children. His story is similar to wukong as in "everyone tells me I ain't shit, so I'm proving them wrong"

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u/reddit_serf Feb 21 '25

Is Google blocked where you are?

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u/Apprehensive_Ear4489 Feb 21 '25

Why is it so hard for you to google something

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u/Chulinfather Feb 21 '25

Fuck off, buddy

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u/Substantial_Share_17 Feb 22 '25

I wonder why Box Office Mojo has it listed as 10 mil dom. and 24 mil world.

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u/Large_Ad_8185 Feb 22 '25

That’s reported by CMC, China’s domestic distributor didn’t report.

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u/OrganicImpression338 Feb 22 '25

Go and watch it in cinema! Well worth it!

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u/abellapa Feb 25 '25

WTF is happening

I Open this sub to check the box office of Brave New World and Then i see out of The blue that the Top 10 worldwide box Office just Changed with the entrance of a Chinese movie

HOLY SHIT

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u/pissshitfuckcuntcock Feb 21 '25

Never heard of it.

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u/Professional_Line385 Feb 21 '25

I think this will beat avatar and endgame

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u/AegonTheAuntFucker Feb 21 '25

Isn't Avatar the highest grossing animated movie?

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u/Oneforfortytwo Feb 21 '25

Avatar is live action. Having CGI doesn't automatically make a movie animated.

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u/AegonTheAuntFucker Feb 21 '25

Whch part is live action? Even the human characters are CGI.

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u/Ok-Week-4551 Feb 23 '25

maybe cuz there's an actual cast?

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u/d00mm4r1n3 Feb 21 '25

Belly flopped outside of China.

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u/iguessineedanaltnow Feb 21 '25

Clearly they didn't need the non-chinese market.

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u/MingoUSA Feb 21 '25

In New Zealand, Ne Zha 2 managed to beat Cap 4 in box office.

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u/SwimmingCircles2018 Feb 21 '25

Beating a Marvel movie in 2025 just means your movie wasn’t complete garbage. Most people still think Chris Evans is Captain America

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u/Markofdawn Feb 21 '25

Chinese mythological cultural story flops in other cultures. More on that at 6.

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u/sicklyslick Feb 21 '25

Theater was full when I watched it in Canada this week.

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u/kopibot Feb 21 '25

Meh. Not worthy of being remembered as a classic despite the massive numbers.

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u/B_art_account Feb 21 '25

How do you know?

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u/kopibot Feb 21 '25

Well... It's obviously not on the level of something like Titanic.

I could talk more about how it doesn't compare to Inside Out 2. How it's just another done to death, ultra-cliche power fantasy story where the protagonist, in the pursuit of power, goes around whacking villains and leveling up. Like a live action gacha game. But that would take up too much time, so I'll just end by saying that Chinese audiences have been starved of quality Chinese/HK productions for more than a decade now and this is not the return to form I expected.

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u/One_Lobster2803 Feb 28 '25

It is already is a classic for China audience. cope

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u/cesd3967 Feb 21 '25

Great way to find out it exists

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u/TheSeptuagintYT Laika Feb 21 '25

I predict this will end up #1 beating Avatar Endgame and even Star Wars Episode 7 TFA

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u/WavesNVibrations Feb 21 '25

This is like black myth wu-kong where the hype and numbers are basically only from the one place but it’ll be compared to other things that don’t even get the chance to fully air there like black panther.

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u/darthsheldoninkwizy Feb 21 '25

But you know that Black Panther had the most hype in the US while in the rest of the world it was just another Marvel movie.

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u/EnvironmentalSoft401 Feb 21 '25

That thing is so ugly omg