r/classicwow • u/BoulderRivers • Feb 25 '25
Humor / Meme I wish you all to have this much self-esteem
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u/Smygfjaart Feb 25 '25
I hate that this is becoming a norm.
What happened to actually playing the game? Why must everything be a transaction?
The other day a healer wanted 35g for healing in UBRS, AND all healing gear that dropped.
I get if you’re paying someone over geared to carry you through a dungeon just to get it over with, but when you are gearing yourself up with pre-bis and at the same level as everyone else in the group, just be a part of the fucking group. Don’t sell your “services”.
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u/seanyk88 Feb 25 '25
It’s because every aspect of our lives have become a transaction. Everything has been monetized.
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u/Ayla_Fresco Feb 25 '25
I think WoW is a microcosm of society. Our economic system IRL (which the game mimics) has permeated our culture to such an extreme extent that it now influences almost everything we do. We have become goblins.
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u/acrazyguy Feb 26 '25
It’s also that raiding is expensive and people have less time than ever. They’re looking for ways to spend the least amount of time grinding gold as possible so they can get back to their lives. To be clear I’m not defending this behavior- just mentioning that it’s also why
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u/Seputku Feb 26 '25
Yeah dude, the attention economy that internet (mostly smartt phones tbh) has created is insane
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u/Br0Br0s3ph Feb 26 '25
This is literally a byproduct of capitalism and has nothing to do with technology or attention lmao
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u/Seputku Feb 26 '25
Yes it’s a byproduct of capitalism but having essentially a billboard attached to you at the pocket was a major catalyst
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u/Br0Br0s3ph Feb 26 '25
Yeah, but people have been running side hustles, trying to make the most money possible off of anything they could since before computers. If anything, technology just reinvented how this operates, but it didn't create the system.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 25 '25
Oh come off it.
It's because people buy gold, lots and lots of gold, and so they throw gold at every single obstacle in the game as any form of challenge, skill, or time investment required to obtain it legitimately is gone.
Other people don't want to buy gold directly, but they know the game is full of people who do and who don't give a fuck about paying for a run.
Combine that with the severe aversion to actually being social in a social game and you have this crap. Don't need to make friends and form guilds when you can just pay for a service and AFK until you get your upgrade.
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u/Bawfuls Feb 25 '25
People buying and selling gold in a video game is a symptom of what the parent comment is describing. So is the “aversion to being social”
You have identified outcomes that are downstream of the wider societal forces at play. There’s a reason gold buying and antisocial behavior is more pervasive in this game than it was 20 years ago, and that’s because society has become even more atomized and commodified in that time.
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u/EveryoneisOP3 Feb 26 '25
people buy gold
so they throw gold at every single obstacle in the game
Combine that with the severe aversion to actually being social in a social game
Don't need to make friends and form guilds when you can just pay for a service
You are literally describing monetization of fun.
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u/CaptainPC Feb 26 '25
Everything out entire existence has been monetized. This is not new.
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u/seanyk88 Feb 26 '25
Not even true in the slightest. With the invention of the internet and ad revenue, it’s changed how people go about even their “private” lives.
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u/DarthArcanus Feb 25 '25
Meanwhile, I'll scout out LFG, and if a group is looking for a tank for a while, I'll go tank for them, just to help out.
Just because charging for services is becoming the norm doesn't mean you have to go along with the trends.
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u/UD_Lover Feb 25 '25
I do the same as a healer. If & when I see groups so desperate they’re offering to pay for a healer I will join them and refuse payment 100% of the time. The good karma usually winds up paying more than they were offering anyway.
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u/Paradigmnine Feb 25 '25
Someone tried to tip me for helping them with the felwood escort quest. Politely declined. They seemed genuinely surprised that someone didn’t expect something in return. Transactional kindness is a weird concept.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 25 '25
God I fucking hate that tipping has made its way into the game the same way it's creeping into real life.
Someone advertising enchants in game, the usual "FREE 300 enchanting! Tips appreciated!" stuff.
I needed a few and had the mats so hit them up. They did a few enchants for me and I was just checking I had them all when the trade window opens up again. I said "I think that's all just checking". "Ye".
Then I realised, motherfucker was opening trade for his payment. Now... I have no issue paying for people to craft/enchant/whatever. It's fine and when I do things for other people I accept tips as well, but apparently WoW economy has fully embraced US style tipping where "tips appreciated" means "I am pretending this is free but it's not, also instead of just setting a price I'm being ambiguous but don't you dare be cheap".
I'd planned to give him 12g... 2g per enchant. Instead I put in 10 silver and he cussed me out, so I asked him why he was offering free enchants if they weren't free and then he blocked me.
Just drives me up the fucking wall. I sell DMT buffs on my hunter and I put the fucking price in the message when I advertise. Meanwhile chat is full of "free buffs, tips appreciated!" which clearly mean "fucking pay me".
Anyway. That turned into quite the rant. But I hate it.
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u/sultanofswag69 Feb 25 '25
I tank RR orb Strat lives, full BRD quest runs, whatever just to farm good loot karma. Always pays off in raid.
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u/Ent3rpris3 Feb 25 '25
Even if I'm over-leveled, I legitimatrly enjoy the raid designs for BFD, Gnomer, and Sunken Temple in SoD. If I have the time and nothing else pressing, I'll happily tank or heal just for the lols. Fuck charging for that, I wanna enjoy the good parts of the game without letting myself get bitter about 'efficiency' or whatever.
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u/Ditto_D Feb 25 '25
If you are still leveling though as a tank it can be just about as toxic... at least for LBRS just cause there is such a diverse spread of what people are looking for and it is so dominated by groups waiting to finish filling because they have hard reserves on all the gear worth going to get.
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u/RealTrueGrit Feb 25 '25
I do the same thing. Saw a group looking for a tank for armory for a while late at night so i hit them up for a run through armory and cathedral.
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u/ConcernedCop Feb 25 '25
Everything is meta and has to be min max.
Everything is posted online on the perfect way to do it so everyone assumes it's the only way to play the game.
It sucks.
My guild is a bit more laid back which is nice.
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u/zakpakt Feb 25 '25
I kind of understand it for hardcore since everyone's so careful. But on the regular servers? What?
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u/Smooth_One Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25
Supply and demand, just like everything else. Healers in low supply? Then they can charge for the demand. I remember tanks and healers in 2019 doing this for Righteous Orbs, Dark Runes, all unneeded greens and blues, etc., so this isn't exactly a new occurrence.
If that guy wants to heal for gold, getting paid to run dungeons (since we can't do it in raids anymore lul) is far better than him swiping for it in my opinion.
Not saying it's awesome, but I get it.
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u/zakpakt Feb 26 '25
Yeah on my HC 60 priest I regularly get offered 30g or so just to heal. Or I get spammed with invites.
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u/njkmklkop Feb 25 '25
Offering a service while still needing the gear from that instance is wild lol.
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u/Blasto05 Feb 26 '25
There’s no gear for the healer to need from besides Reed lol. So if they’re reserving Reed and charging that’s crazy…if they already have Reed or not reserving it…well there is zero other gear for healers there lol
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u/Some-Ad-5328 Feb 25 '25
What happened,
Gold Sellers got really good at farming and finding buyers for their gold.
Non swipers now need to earn much more income to play the game and to compete with the swipers.
So you have this, it is still playing the game.
Only have a few choices to make gold.
- Swipe for it
- Run boosts
- Sell services and carry’s
Trades kills don’t pay a whole lot, except enchanting
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Feb 25 '25
TLDR: You can't control other people, but you can control how you respond. For the record I agree and I dislike this as well.
There will always be people who overvalue their own contributions to a group project. Not to say that tanks and healers aren't valuable, but I would never pay one. The only way to humble them is by collectively assigning the appropriate value to them and their 'services'. That is how you dictate fair market value (FMV) as group. As long as people are willing to pay them, they will seek payment.
So unless the community as a whole comes together and tells them to kick rocks, it'll continue. No Solicitors/Ignore list and move on. If enough people respond that way, typically they will quit the game/withdraw from this sort of unwelcome solicitation.
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u/Real-Mouse-554 Feb 25 '25
I got back to playing again recently and I had the exact same thougt.
Why are they even here if it’s they something they need to get over with asap?
Just play the game.
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u/fuzz3289 Feb 27 '25
Culture, like tipping for everything.
Excuse me, I hope you enjoyed your healing, my addon is just gonna ask you a few questions here, I'll just open this trade window for you
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u/Mattelot Feb 25 '25
Amen.
It's bad enough that Blizzard tries to nickel and dime their customers with all these MTX, boosts, etc. Now I have to pay in-game currency to participate in an in-game activity? lol no thank you
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u/justadudeyouknow Feb 25 '25
Does blizz force you into buying any of the store stuff? If the answer is no then how are they nickel and dime anyone? Just don't pay for it and play the game.
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u/Mattelot Feb 25 '25
Any game that constantly throws MTX in your face is nickel and diming you. It does not have to be forced upon someone. They took things that they were giving away for free for years and now wanting people to pay for each individual thing. It's a bad type of predatory practice but that's a conversation for another thread.
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u/Curious_Inside0719 Feb 25 '25
This! If you role a tank/healer you chose to do that. That doesn't mean you get to charge for normal participation in running groups. Your not special lol you don't deserve anything extra by choosing those classes.
I agree with the carry runs being charged but anything else is no go for me
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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits Feb 25 '25
Then go roll a healer and do it free yourself. Oh? Thats not how you want to enjoy the game? Well, they apparently want to play game as profiteers. Thats their choice, and they wouldnt be doing it or able to do it if there wasnt enough of a consensus in the community of support in the form of doing it.
I would never do something like that. Im the other the of the spectrum. But i don't see a problem here. They offer a service and apparently people want it. If this was as big a problem as people are acting, it would resolve itself.
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u/GrayBeardGamerWV Feb 25 '25
Same feeling here for a 19+ year veteran of the game, off and on. This is supposed to be a social game. You talk to 10 people maybe half even reply.
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u/Tirilogy Feb 25 '25
Doing DM the other day I gave our healer 3 stacks of water (I'm a mage) and the dude gave me 2g
I was like you don't have to pay lol
It's one thing if somwone in trade offered to buy water but are mages charging people in instakces too ... it's goofy
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u/keiye Feb 25 '25
Some are calling gen z a selfish generation. These are typical antics that proliferates into other games
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u/Real-Discipline-4754 Feb 26 '25
tbf this prob retalliation for all the tanks selling services/hr orbs for dungs they dont need gear from. aside from reed theres no reason for healers to do ubrs
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u/Competitive-Pickle75 Feb 26 '25
people tell me its hard to make gold in this game, and maybe im not high enough to understand but im level 30 right now and have over 500 gold from just selling herbs and potions on the AH...
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Feb 26 '25
Because some people can’t watch a 15 minute YouTube video and do their 3 button rotation so they don’t waste an extra couple hours of the other 9/24/39 people in the groups time.
Not saying I agree with it but this is what caused it.
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u/thereandback_420 Feb 26 '25
Tank paid me to heal LBRS 40 gold. Little did he know I would’ve done it for free! Didn’t get any loot but was fun and he was geared to the teeth. At first I thought he was wanting me to pay him. Almost didn’t respond!
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u/FlamingMuffi Feb 25 '25
Lolol id respond
"Sounds like you need me more than I need your group pay me 5g and I'll join"
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u/ABigBagofMeth Feb 25 '25
I’d pay the 20g and show up in whites and greens
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u/Nearly_Evil_665 Feb 26 '25
tbf if they expect me to pay, for the carry, i expect to recieve all loot and be afk.
if they dont clear it within +15% time of the WR for that dungeon i wont pay shit.
they made it a service, so i expect to be catered
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u/BreBhonson Feb 25 '25
what server are you in where tanks and healers have trouble finding dps
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u/MeatyOakerGuy Feb 25 '25
In HC on Doomhowl I've seen rogues beg all day to run scholo and never find a group. The rogues and hunters in our guild basically salivate when you say "any dps for". There was a rogue posting all day in LFG that he'd pay every member 40g each to run scholo for mirah's a didn't find . I bet some people would pay
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u/Aretz Feb 25 '25
It took me about a week of 4 hr sessions to get my prebis set from scholo. It fucking sucked.
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u/SgtKeeneye Feb 26 '25
Wild as a hunter myself it's not that hard to form your own group and I've been invited by rogues doing that same too on doomhowl. If they can only play late at night they are pretty boned however
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u/ryan_church_art Feb 26 '25
This is why as a nearly full time tank I try to take dps warriors and rogues along whenever I can
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u/midsizedopossum Feb 26 '25
I think you misread the comment to replied to. You've layed out the opposite scenario, which is the expected one.
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u/FlamingMuffi Feb 25 '25
See the picture again. That tank is asking a DPS to join their run ergo the DPS has something the group needs and should be compensated for their time no?
Or they could go beg another dps to pay for a run either way im good
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u/Jan-E-Matzzon Feb 25 '25
He’s trying to make a sale.
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u/FlamingMuffi Feb 25 '25
I know and cold calling is annoying especially in a video game
It's amusing to flip the script
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u/RageQuitHero Feb 25 '25
warriors are mentally ill
i saw this guy spamming for dps to join his DM:E run so that he could get to his thorium nodes (which he HR'd) because he cant get to them by himself, so he needs the help of DPS. then he had the nerve to ask the dps for 15g a run for the opportunity to roll on boss loot
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u/jannies_cant_ban_me Feb 25 '25
Note that it is impossible to HR the RTVs in DME. It takes a full minute to be hearthed when you’re kicked from an instance group, which is more than enough time to mine all the nodes. Do what you will with this information.
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u/manneedsjuice Feb 25 '25
I didn't see what was wrong... Untill I read the last sentence. Holy shit the entitlement
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u/Blue_JackRabbit Feb 25 '25
I would have answered "You're giving me 20g to join your group? I'll do it!"
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u/Mencuman Feb 25 '25
got a druid tank lvl 57 asking for gold and runes from scholo the other day (we were all 60)
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u/Gexm13 Feb 25 '25
This is just boosting service
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u/Zerowig Feb 25 '25
Yep. I’d report this person for advertising boosting services outside of the Services channel.
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u/RedRayBae Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25
This.
Advertising Services in General, LFG or Trade?
Report/Bannable now.
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u/ichatpoo Feb 25 '25
Its sad af. Seeing people offer boosting services, charging low levels 15g to run deadmines and stockades is just so sad. What happened to just enjoying the game. I run deadmines for fun as it helps the lower levels who really appreciate it
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u/nyhr213 Feb 26 '25
Sad part is this is also true the other way around. Seen plenty of people asking/paying for boosts
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u/herbythechef Feb 25 '25
Ive been contemplating quitting these servers. The community is just terrible this go around
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u/Setting_Worth Feb 25 '25
It's not great and my current guild are out for themselves a bit. Well see
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u/jjjaaaacckk Feb 25 '25
Quit my guild last week for the same reason. Selfish players selfish guild
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u/Setting_Worth Feb 26 '25
Mine isn't too bad but I'm just used to sending mats to a crafter in guild and getting my stuff back. Running a dungeon over and over so a teammate gets a prebis item.
Team mentality I guess? Not just a bunch of people that happen to raid together.
What's missing is the attitude that you are winning when your teammate gets an item. You get farther, faster that way. I'm probably the odd ball out because they seem to like the culture the way it is.
Well see
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u/Extra-Account-8824 Feb 25 '25
the only time i tell people itll cost gold for me to join is when they randomly spam msg me telling me to join them.
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u/AlcoholicR0bot Feb 25 '25
I sincerely hope official realms end up being a place where only bots "compete" with each other....
I'm glad I've found a private realm, where it still feels like classic wow, and not like a pay2win sh*tshow...
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u/NitraNi Feb 26 '25
Official realms seems soooo miserable. I'm very glad my friends made me switch.
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u/pinebanana Feb 25 '25
It’s funny how we’re all grown adults now playing this game finessing each other with our adult brains
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u/Hoodoodle Feb 25 '25
Let me guess, they have a hunter DPS for whom every non-tank/healer item has been reserved
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u/Allu71 Feb 25 '25
This makes sense if the guy joining the group is getting boosted, otherwise it's insane. But most likely it's just a boosting service since LBRS is ideal for that
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u/DiablosChickenLegs Feb 26 '25
Make your own group. Play a tank role. Make friends. Problem solved.
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u/Raevman Feb 26 '25
I report anyone like that for advertisement/boosting services.
Don't know if it will ever work... but it's reportable!
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u/ltsMeSam Feb 25 '25
Pull a good ol' uno reverse.
Unrelated but can I ask what UI you use for your chat?
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u/8ardock Feb 25 '25
This game is bringing real life problems: capitalism. Every thing cost gold.
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u/Shenloanne Feb 25 '25
Tbh classic anniversary is a case study on human greed begging to be written.
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u/8ardock Feb 25 '25
But to be honest, you can play WoW without having to pay for everything. Just turn off that FOMO switch and enjoy the game.
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u/RealTrueGrit Feb 25 '25
Thats what im doing rn. Im lvl 38 almost 39 as a druid. Im crafting almost 90% of my gear and i just got cooking to 300 and fishing is in the 280s. Its not a ton of gold fishing and cooking but its something. Im planning on skipping my mount at 40 and grind for the warden staff ao when i hit 43 i can buy it.
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u/jannies_cant_ban_me Feb 25 '25
You can’t do this in an MMO, the community IS the game.
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u/omgspek Feb 25 '25
Hardcore Solo Self-found is my way to be rid of all this BS. I just play the game by myself, no one can beg me for gold, no one can charge me for runs, I don't give a single fuck about the auction house, it's great. Pure, unadultered enjoyment. I'm not sure if SSF is also a thing for non-HC realms, but if it is, I highly recommend it.
You can still group and do dungeons etc, but you don't get to participate in the "late stage capitalism" part of the game anymore.
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u/8ardock Feb 25 '25
This is the way. I play just like you and never had any hard time finding a group or a raid.
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u/PrometheusAborted Feb 25 '25
I’m almost to 60 and just now realizing how terrible the dungeons/raids are.
2 interactions I had last night:
“I’ll tank Scholo. Geared raid tank 50g”
“AA spam HoJ and SGC HR”
I didn’t even bother responding to the first one but the second one I replied with “no thanks, I refuse to join any groups that HR stuff for pugs” and he responded with “lmfao gl finding a group”.
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u/MeatyOakerGuy Feb 25 '25
Brother unfortunately you rolled a rogue. At least on Doomhowl horde it's LFG simulator 25x
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u/GLA_Rebel_Maluxorath Feb 25 '25
I would take that raid geared tank immediately over some fool who just hit 60 and probably doesn't know how the dungeons works so we'll waste too much time with him.
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u/Forlorn_Wolf Feb 26 '25
It's just a representation of how this game is mirroring society. Less social, more monetarily focused. Our society is slowly eroding away in the name of profit. We're essentially legitimately turning into Goblins.
If hardcore guilds could charge for Onyxia or ZG buff they would. The only thing that prevents that is they can't prevent people from being in Stormwind or Booty Bay when it goes out.
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u/Credrian Feb 26 '25
I genuinely hope blizzard bans “tank services” in the same way they banned gdkp. Fuck every person who thinks their time is more valuable than others because they rolled warrior
“fiRsT OrB hR’d” and the entire group is 60s looking for orbs? Eat hot lead
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u/Credrian Feb 26 '25
And to add to this, because it’s becoming the meta to sell your tank services; it is nearly IMPOSSOBLE to get a levelling dungeon between 50 and 60. Disgusting
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u/solomite420 Feb 25 '25
Fine with it as long as they are actually don't need any loot from bosses. They simply offer a service to dps who have trouble finding groups.
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u/Possible_Loss_4995 Feb 25 '25
I had a mage message me once “hey want to heal my strat live boost? No loot but free xp” lmaoo You bet your ass i told him id do it for first orb.
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u/Marlfox70 Feb 25 '25
Can't stand people who try to force this on you lol. Had a tank join a group I made for one of the TK dungeons in TBC then after we were about to start all in the dungeon he said "btw I keep all boes" I said fuck that and he left. Grabbed a guild tank instead.
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u/misery0406 Feb 25 '25
saw in lfg the other day a prot warr looking for group for ZG and HR an idol .
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u/MoreLikeGaewyn Feb 25 '25
mfers can distinguish sungrass from the terrain in feralas but not obvious satire
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Feb 25 '25
Ehhh I guess LBRS full clear would make a somewhat decent XP farm, but then you would have to, idk, go through LBRS.
I remember getting paid upwards of 200g to tank LBRS back in WoW classic
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u/australian1992 Feb 25 '25
I hate that this is a thing people min maxing the fun out of gaming
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u/Magus02 Feb 25 '25
the lookingforgroup channel is completely unusable. blizzard doesn't care about its own rules or game
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Feb 25 '25
I love wow so much that it hurt when I quit 2 months ago. I was having so much fun lvl a war and tanking all the dungeons. Sadly, I got as far as lvl 49 and I threw in the towel. I just couldn’t enjoy the game anymore like I did in 2019. I moved across the aisle to Diablo 4 and I’m enjoying that just as much. I hope I’m wrong but tbc will only be worse.
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u/tomviky Feb 25 '25
Well thanks. I feel way better for whispering everyone with appropriate level to join my dungs (no pay, no HR).
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u/GrumpshardTTV Feb 25 '25
this games so cooked some times
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u/TimeCandle6278 Feb 26 '25
It's just a bunch of angry boomers with money to spend and little time to play idk why half of them bother playing the game.
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u/keiye Feb 25 '25
There are more tactful ways of selling services without coming across like an asshat. First orb is a good one. I would never pay for healer services though, since they’re as common as dps
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u/Mirabelz Feb 25 '25
I'm waiting for TBC and take another chance on what I consider the most fun raids in Classic. If everything is transactional like this, I guess I'll just play with guildies.
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u/Miserable-Tiger-5522 Feb 25 '25
I see very little of this in hardcore. I know hardcore isn't for everyone, but the community is more about solving problems with less than buying your way to the top. I have a hard time enjoying regular servers now
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u/Zenry0ku Feb 25 '25
A person was asking if I wanna pay for stocks and I'm like bruh,I just want to actually play dungeon.
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u/simplytoaskquestions Feb 25 '25
Why not just find a guild and get people to play with you? You play with these guys they will have everything on “reserved” even after you pay them 🤣
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u/leroyjenkinsmama Feb 26 '25
I swear that just last night, on anniversary server,I had a full group for Sunken Temple 5-Man, minus a tank. I reached out to a tank that was in LFG and he wanted 50g for the run.
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u/imrope1 Feb 26 '25
It's one thing to advertise tank and healing services. It's a whole other ball game to try and recruit people to your group for gold lol
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Feb 26 '25
if you pay for a run then you get carried. no need to do anything and come in white shit gear.
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u/pantheonjungle Feb 26 '25
I hit 60 and start a new class. No end game content. Takes way too long. Get rid of twinking in PvP and I might consider that while leveling.
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u/Zak_Preston Feb 26 '25
the combination of #nOcHaNgEs and solved game effect leads to this atrocity: people are bored of railroading, they want to skip the boring gearing part, and some are even willing to pay. Just give us proper Classic+ already!
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u/Stornholio69 Feb 26 '25
Thunderstrike? Got a similar whisper yesterday. And a Warrior lfm for strat live with all Orbs HR.... yeah, dont bother whispering me ever again
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u/DarkLordShu Feb 26 '25
Other day, some guy was saying first 2 orbs HR, so I whispered, surely you mean one for you and one for the healer, right, and he replied, no, it's 2 for me, I'm carrying these noobs through this dungeon. I instantly said GL and went on my way. I'm sure he never found any willing stooges to heal.
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u/chubbycanine Feb 26 '25
These people are actually dumb lol I make fun of these then every time I see them in game before reporting advertisements. The LFG queue is for groups that are forming to run the dungeon not for you to advertise your "services" of shoddy healing or tanking.
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u/Flarisu Feb 26 '25
When you control the market - you tell it what to pay, not the other way around :)
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u/SOMTHINSNAZZAY Feb 27 '25
I just LFG and quest while I wait, if I get a group kool and if not whatever. I just want to have fun and meet ppl not pay for even more things. It use to be about gear and knowledge now its "how much gold ya got?". Not saying things like this didn't happen back then but it's just so normalized now.
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u/fallakin Feb 27 '25
This makes me so glad I didn't let Fresh hook me, and ran into negative RL time to even be able to play. Holy this is Hell on Azeroth.
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u/RickusRollus Feb 25 '25
if the gear you need was included they are doing them a favor for sure, just dont let the rest of this sub see you say it or theyll try to get you banned in game
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u/SirePuns Feb 25 '25
I’d be like “sure, give me 20g upfront and I’ll join”