Pay so that part of the game that is insanely grindy and boring isn’t an issue anymore as an adult with less time on their hands. I’ll take that. Haven’t bought but legit do not care one bit if someone does I don’t get this discourse
So this is more of a jealousy thing?I am not really seeing how it affects you if someone doesn’t want to spend 100s of hours doing things they already did on original release when they had that kind of time. Not everyone in fact most people playing the game do not have that kinda time anymore
Fair enough. Sadly rmt will never end whether people like it or not for the reasons I gave above. So might as well not let something out of your control bother you friend
You're talking about 1 of the many many ways you can make gold. Just because your version takes skill doesn't make it a blanket statement over making gold in general. Making gold doesn't require skill, it requires research.
This entire game requires research to perform at any kind of level... I assure you that if every single player had to figure out everything about the game themselves people would not be talking about how much "better" players are today compared to vanilla.
And yes, I'm talking of one of the ways you can make gold.. a fun and skill based one, which you are welcome to do yourself with a hunter alt. Mages have fun farms as well, so do other classes if you bother to figure them out or do a little research.
My point was that the notion that farming has to be tedious and unskilled, thus justifying cheating to not do it, is entirely false. If people want skill based engaging farms, or passive farms, or whatever else then those things do exist. Because what they actually mean is "I don't wanna so I'll cheat".
Listen, you're going into a crazy tangent about specifics. This isn't a pay to win game so buying gold doesn't get you ahead in anything but the stats on your character, unless of course you're paying to get boosted in arena, keys or raids but that's a whole nother topic. Buying gold is not cheating, especially since blizzard introduced buying and selling wow tokens.
Nothing about your argument proves your point, it only explains the way YOU make gold. If people buying gold affects your experience in wow then you have bigger problems than gold buyers
Sorry that you consider "completely disproving your point" to be a crazy tangent but it is what it is.
This isn't a pay to win game so buying gold doesn't get you ahead in anything but the stats on your character, unless of course you're paying to get boosted in arena, keys or raids but that's a whole nother topic.
No, it's the same topic. And yes, if you buy gold it VERY much is pay to win. Pay to boost to 60, pay for dungeon runs, join GDKPs for raid gear, buy as many consumes as you want. Of course it's pay to win.
Buying gold is not cheating,
It absolutely is.
especially since blizzard introduced buying and selling wow tokens.
Then go play a version that has wow tokens. Classic does not.
Nothing about your argument proves your point
It absolutely does, you're just desperate for your "achievements" to mean something when they don't. Because you cheated.
If people buying gold affects your experience in wow then you have bigger problems than gold buyers
Like infestation of bots and a completely fucked up economy as well as increased competition for raid slots against people with infinite resources?
That’s a disingenuous way of looking at it. Farming gold isn’t a challenge that requires skill to complete. It’s a mindless grind that takes a huge amount of time
Aaaand it's part of the game you're choosing to play. Just because you don't like doing it doesn't mean you have the right to ruin the game for everyone by supporting bots.
You wouldn't have a game to play without the bots sub money, so just say thank you to the gold buyers for keeping your game of choice alive. People buying gold doesn't impact you, and if you believe it "raises prices and devalues gold" then go do what you're telling everyone else to do and farm more, not hard is it? part of the game isn't it?
And its pathetic to moan about something that happened since day 1, literally day 1, but you still do. What you think this reddit forum will make people stop? Get a grip. You cry about people buying gold ALL the time, its boring, same old tears different day. They literally fund your game, according to blizzard stats, and herre is a blue post quote “We hear folks say things like “just ban the bots” a lot. We ban tens of thousands of bots a week. It’s not visible to you just how much we do, and that is absolutely another problem in itself; we need to be better at surfacing these actions (more on this later). The truth is we’ve never been better and more effective at identifying and actioning malicious accounts,and our Game Security Operations (GSO) team that handle these actions are iterating and innovating on a nearly daily basis.” tens of thousands a WEEK, that's potentially millions a year if its only 20k per week. They feed your game, you think they would pay for servers and traffic if they didn't exist? Ill answer for you, no. You are deluded. You think blizzard will miss out on 10-15 mill just to make you happy? No. Grow up and thank them. Or at minimum stfu about it.
"Pay for convenience" is such a cope by everyone involved. It's literally just paying for an advantage. People who think it's not paying to win needs a reality check lol.
You're that guy that stands outside a nightclub for 2 hours waiting to get in.....telling yourself that you need to do this grind to make it feel better when you get in....where as the guys walking past you just pay $20 to get straight in and enjoy it, haha.
Sorry people have real life responsibilities and you don't. Stay mad I guess I see both sides and personally doesn't affect me what's so ever cause I'm not a psycho
The sad nerds in here are insane haha. They think farming Mara and running around looking for herbs make them tough and cool, lol. Farming gold doesn't make you a better player.
Gold buying makes sense. Talk shit with guildies and be social, do some dungeons, raids, top damage meters and run around and get world buffs - 8 hours of content a week. Right there - all fun. Do it all paying about $20 USD a week max. Have a full time job earning $250k a year and you get to go to the club and do Rack on Friday/Saturday as well and then punch out a raid on Sunday night.
Sure it does. Getting gold is part of the game, sorry you're bad at it.
Gold buying makes sense.
To cheaters I'm sure it does.
Right there - all fun.
So is farming gold if you're not awful at the game... sorry you're bad? I spend about one hour active and a few hours passive each week making gold. It isn't hard.
Have a full time job earning $250k a year and you get to go to the club and do Rack on Friday/Saturday as well and then punch out a raid on Sunday night.
Yawn, I'm very well paid and have a great social life. All the degenerate gold buyers I know are the sad losers who do nothing but play.. they just pay to not play while sitting at the keyboard.
You spend 4 hours each week (equivalent to 1 full evening after work) generating gold? Exactly what do you do to generate this gold and how much do you generate?
I can assure you now, the gold buyers are not the ones sitting at the keyboard.
You spend 4 hours each week (equivalent to 1 full evening after work) generating gold? Exactly what do you do to generate this gold and how much do you generate?
Clear some DMTs for a fun and skill based gold farm, then sell buffs while alt tabbed for passive gold.
I make as much as I please. This week was 3k because I needed to stock up on consumes thanks to idiot gold buyers pricing everyone out.
I can assure you now, the gold buyers are not the ones sitting at the keyboard.
Nobody has ever stopped cheating in online games. Ever. No matter the budget, no matter the motivation, never.
Blizzard could do more for sure, but as long as the playerbase wants to cheat as badly as they do.. and holy shit do they want to cheat.. the demand will meet the supply.
Hardware ban meant something when we didnt have accounts. Now that years long accounts with digital purchases tied to them exist, account banning is much more harsh.
how do you know who buys gold and who doesnt? If i buy 10gold from my guildmate for 30cents do i get permabanned? If i buy 10€ of gold on a sketchy side on your name. do you get permabanned?
Before you say I buy gold because of what I'm gonna say idc what you think I do or don't do but it's wild so many people tie their mental health to wow. It's literally pixels.
People will get annoyed by you if you ruin any of their hobbies. irl they have the option to shun you - so they want the same to happen online. Why is that a surprise for you?
Worship is a strong word. Respect is more accurate. Still unsure why liberals vehemently despise him, teslas are the only true eco friendly EV in the world.
I was about to say I feel like gold buying is such a non factor in WoW that this feels like a wild comparison to make... and then I noticed this is the CLASSIC sub.
Literally no clue how people would defend it in Classic, its like a vast majority of thr point of classic lmao
That is where you are wrong. He does play himself, he just got a guy to do the work. So Elon can play with the grind done for him. Just like gold buyers.
Ah, I understand. Like gold buyers trying to show how much they have grinded to afford all the things they have bought. Gotcha, completely different, my fault.
They do buy gold because they don't grind it themselves. They don't buy gold just to have raw gold and not spend it. So yes, pretty much generalizing them as a whole group as they don't play themselves to gain it, for whatever reason. That's the premise. Someone or something (bot) did the work for them.
Everyone wants a participant Trophy 🏆 Doesn't matter how good you are or how much work you do to gain it.
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u/Razorwipe 6d ago
You pissed off all the gold buyers