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u/classicalXD 1d ago
The only "cure" to this is some pain in the form of Horde turtles, you'll see Alliance sing a different tune within a week when all the idiots that camp middle afk out cause they can't get isolated kills.
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u/ImpossibleParfait 1d ago edited 1d ago
In my experience on my 2 60 toons. 5 horde swing around and kill 10 alliance while the rest of alliance keeps riding by. Trying to run south kinda sucks unless you ghost run. Horde is bringing it on themselves by doing that. it's much more fun when you die to defend, then it is to ghost rune south.
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u/DutchOvenEnjoyer69 1d ago
Exactly, horde here wanna make it out like Alliance are doing it, literally every game in AV like 10 horde cut us off before snow fall and will even interrupt Galv kills. Yall bring it on yourselves.
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u/-Exy- 21h ago
I feel like you're not seeing the other side. Alliance are sending 5-10 people to defend their LTs every game killing us. Now who's bringing what on themselves? What came first the chicken or the egg?
Don't blame factions, and don't defend the idiots doing this shit.
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u/Yegas 12h ago
Iâll be real chief.
Iâve played easily 150-200+ AV in the past 4 weeks, all as Alliance
I have seen Horde get wiped at Balinda 4 times in total.
I have seen Ally get wiped at Galv 17 times, and Horde smear trying to intercept before Galv in 50-60% of games overall.
Iâve also seen Horde deathsquads recapping GYs / intercepting SFGY in at least 30 games.
On the other hand, the worst Ally ever really does to force a turtle is be morons who donât deathrun from SPGY. The only time anyone ever actively plays defense is in a 5stack, and even then they wonât recap graveyards 90% of the time.
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u/Superb_Bench9902 11h ago
Yeah. It's not a faction thing. It's just idiots praying for people to rush north or south and end it fast while they get extra honour. I've seen Alliance wiping horde on Balinda and I've seen Horde wiping Alliance on Galv. Same shit
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u/MuchSrsOfc 1d ago
This is not really arguable, it is very agreed by both ally and horde that allys grief in a magnitude of 10 more than horde. My guild split into horde/ally from cataclysm, it is not even remotely close. We have 20man ally teams wiping us at balinda constantly then sitting and holding choke point for half an hour
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u/Angiboy8 1d ago
In my entire grind to rank 11 on alliance, we never once tried to stall at Balinda
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u/Krelith 22h ago
It wasn't around when pvp first opened up and the grind to r11 started but with the new rank release alliance recap squads have been insane that there are messages asking for more in SHB before the games started because alliance hit it early, 1 minute after cap and before balinda is dead early. These aren't small squads either, frequently seen 7-10 players in a group do this.
Balinda stall is very rare that I've only seen it 1-2 this week, but recapping gy/bunkers and pushing horde back to iceblood if they are lucky or cave if they aren't is quite common.
Btw before you say horde bias, we are just as guilty with galv but I've found the alliance recap squads are a lot more common.
Honestly I wish both sides would take their towers/lts and move on to the next game so we can get the horrible grind over for the week.
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u/Lucaslouch 18h ago
Donât worry, the roam squad is both Orde and Alliance. We see you mages trying to intercept the late riders on the left of Balinda
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u/stimg 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's a classic prisoners dilemma. Betray your team for an extra few thousand honor or cooperate and make it all go smoothly for everyone. Too many selfish people have ground AV to a halt.
Edit: some clarity, this meme isn't about the people who "truly enjoy pvp and large av scale battles". This meme is for the selfish honor per hour chasers who have ruined the honor per hour for everyone.
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u/sephirothpvp 1d ago
The irony is that when too many people go south to farm honor you start receiving less honor anyway. Itâs the Tragedy of the Commons.
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u/Steezmoney 1d ago
I don't really pvp so you don't need to worry about me "ruining" bgs but it is crazy reading people complain about not playing to maximize honour. God forbid it play out like a battleground
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u/memekid2007 1d ago
But running around not playing the objectives IS playing to maximize honor, as long as you're the only one doing it. It doesnt help you win (the point of the BG), and it doesn't help anyone else get honor (the reason almost everyone else is there), but it makes your own honor bigger as long as other people carry both of the other aspects for you.
It's leeching, definitionally.
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 1d ago edited 1d ago
It isnât pvping though, it is ignoring the pvp maps objectives because it is better for you personally if your teammates do that instead.
It would be like not defending a base in AB or ignoring flags in WSG.
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u/snackattack4tw 1d ago
It may deter from the objective, but engaging other players is the definition of pvp. While the objective is required to maximize honor, it is not pvp.
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 1d ago
And like has been described earlier the problem isnât that they are pvping, it is that they are pvping to the detriment of the BGs objective.
Like I said before complaining about somebody 1v1ing at the side of the map in WSG while ignoring flags and any type of map control wouldnât be âcomplaining about pvpâ either.
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u/snackattack4tw 1d ago
I get your point but the big difference here is that WSG's objective actually enforces PVP, so it's a bad comparison.
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u/-Exy- 1d ago
And AV's doesn't. That's exactly the point. The objective of AV is to kill the enemy boss.
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u/snackattack4tw 1d ago
Yes. But you can still engage other players and change the course of the battle, which is PVP.
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u/Excellent-Basil-8795 1d ago
Youâre gonna get hated on by people because you arenât honor farming and conforming to the norm. What these people wonât complain about is the structure of AV is set up to literally be a turtle. You have 80 people in one BG mostly not related to each other and pure randoms. The fact they expect everyone to play the same way is the insane fact in its own. People can barely get all 40 GUILD members to do mechanics in some raids, typing in a PvP general chat will definitely work better right? Anyone who has played AV since OG vanilla knows that this is just how it is. Sorry you guys canât get Rank 14 as soon as possible, dear god the game has to be played. Oh no. If you guys donât have a 40 man manipulating queues to make it so you are all in the game, nobody gives a shit that your mad because someone else didnât play the way you want too.
And then it gets even worse because now it brings out people that will purposely troll you to make the game longer because youâre complaining. Iâve found that itâs better to just stay quiet in a BG or else people will purposely make it worse for you. Iâve seen 5 man groups just camp one person over and over until the match is over or they eventually afk out.
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u/TaadisNasty 1d ago
No use arguing with people that wish to afk at flags in peace with no opposition
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u/7figureipo 1d ago
AV is not a PvP battleground. I'll die on that hill. Not one of the objectives requires you to even see a player from the opposing faction, and you can do so without "artificial" game play. I could see the same being said of WSG if you strain the meaning a bit: both sides simply run to the flag and run back, getting minimal honor in minimal time played for the winning faction. AB requires PvP interaction, unless there's some unspoken or explicit agreement that each side gets two caps and leave the BS alone, or something (which is artificial, at best).
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u/LizzyShort 21h ago
Except then, it becomes exclusively a pve battleground as both factions run right by each other. Disrupting the other faction is part of the objective.
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 21h ago
Except there is a difference between pvping to protect objectives and running around hunting kills and farming GY respawns to DR. The dickheads hunting kills are contributing absolutely nothing.
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u/Trinica93 1d ago
It is literally nothing like that, we ARE playing objectives. We wipe at Bal/Vann and recap north GYs, as well as take back bunkers.Â
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 1d ago
Totally, not flipping a gy to farm kills is definitely contributing to the objective.
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u/Trinica93 22h ago
You didn't even read my comment you replied to, lol
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 21h ago
I did, great you are heroically defending. Seems to be a lot of people doing that these days, so Iâd assume you wouldnât mind going south and protecting RH and then kill WMs/Drek if there are enough on D?
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u/Trinica93 21h ago
Maybe read my comments, I said EXACTLY THAT.Â
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u/BoyzNtheBoat 20h ago
You said youâd flip RH and then recall to Vann. That isnât protecting RH and killing WMs and Drek.
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u/Trinica93 19h ago
Depends how many we have on D. If there are too many for us to get honor I'll gladly tank Drek myself.Â
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u/ResortIcy9460 1d ago
Even with the changes it takes forever to rank up. I played Friday after work 18:00 - 02:00, Saturday 12:00 - 01:00 and got 250k honor. That is still an insane amount of playing That is not possible for most people. Lots of it was spend on long AVs and with the 21h played I made around ~12k honor/hour. But if everyone would play like they played during r11 grind it was 7min for 6k honor or so which would allowed for 4Ă that honor or get the same thing done in 6hours instead of 21h. That is gigantic.
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u/Fit-Percentage-9166 1d ago
The vast majority of people in av are doing it for the ranking rewards. You're being intentionally obtuse if you don't understand why people who have to do 500,000 honor want to maximize honor per hour.
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u/Trick_Wrongdoer_5847 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah man, don't be so "selfish" and pvp in pvp, so the 20 Warriors who don't want to disarm, sunder or even be willing to tank the boss can nuke it a few minutes faster or wipe like idiots and throw a tantrum because they need to wait 5 minutes for the gy.
The mobs die currently so fast with the new T1 and T2 gear, it's ridiculous.
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u/DutchOvenEnjoyer69 1d ago
I love these comments like the rest of the game isnât also sweated the fuck out. Not using flasks youâll get Gkicked, donât have every single WB not taking you, donât have an item that gives you 10SP shamed in discord. Like youâre shocked when this community whatâs to have the most optimal honor experience.
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u/cxntfeelmyfxce 1d ago
i canât lie, that rank 11 wall ruined the flow pretty bad for me. im definitely not as excited to finish like i was a few months ago haha.
the market has been corrupted and i am fersure not feeling the amount of work itâs taking to keep the show running. this could definitely be an unsub until tbc angle.
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u/Bakednotyetfried 1d ago
3 30min av games in a row. đ
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u/TaxAg11 1d ago
Sounds like a fun time PvPing to me.
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u/nosciencephd 1d ago
If that trend keeps up it means a 500k honor week takes 72 hours of AV.
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u/Capital_Sprinkles_36 14h ago
Desperate dad gamers, scrounging for honor, made the grind back to normal prechanges. Except more people getting through. If you want to pvp and get some kill honor...play AB
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u/madballfanboy 1d ago
Ainât no one getting r14 this time around cuz people wanna play 40 minute games.
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u/Slightly_Shrewd 1d ago
People hit 500k within 36 hours. Even if HPH halves, theyâll have it within 80 hours of the reset.
People absolutely no life this shit lol
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u/Supagorganizer 1d ago
They really need to add a team deathmatch style bg for the people who just want to actually pvp without an objective.
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u/Vohemot 1d ago
People will still find a way to troll and have fun at other's expense.
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u/Royal-Charge-6293 1d ago
LFM Mage squad for tdm sheep hostage games, where we hold them in a poly until they afk out.
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u/gubigubi 1d ago
I play alliance.
I honestly don't care what you do as Horde for the most part.
But if you cap snowfall gy and give me no where to ghost walk to.
I will show up at bunkers and at gys and I will do my best to cause a 1 hour game. There will be blood.
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u/Vohemot 1d ago
As a horde I can tell you that 99 times out of 100 this is exactly what they want. Usually between 5-15 horde players are specifically trying to make turtles happen because they either want people to suffer or they do not understand why people come to AV.
You're playing into their hand
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u/gubigubi 19h ago
Yes and no.
Because I'm not having a turtle up north. I'm taking deep GYs and sending the horde back to the spawn cave.
We resetting the game. Its the only way to win as alliance once that happens because horde wins defense at Galv probably 100% of the time otherwise.
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u/United-Prompt1393 1d ago
This sub absolutely hates AV with a passion yet will spend 12 hours a day in there.
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u/GrandmasterTaka 18h ago
Rank gear is just too good. Especially for the phase we are in.
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u/United-Prompt1393 15h ago
But these kids dont raid after the first two weeks after getting the gear. Their play cycle is grind AV, hate their lives, raid for a week or two, then quit
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u/Insno616 1d ago
I only care a little bit about what people do inside AV. My fuckin problem is that I get put into an AV that has already been going for 35 goddamn minutes and have to suffer through whatever the fuck caused it to last that long in the first place, getting barely any honor in the process.
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u/dogs_n_brews 1d ago
My favorite pvp in 2019 classic was an almost 3 hour AV. Just 70+ jebronis living in the moment enjoying trying to pvp and get the objective. Every helper got summoned, every objective taken and retaken. Crazy how much that was hated then and even more now.
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u/onlygetbricks 1d ago
it's because of pvers. They don't care pvp they don't understand how it works and they suck. They only here to get their R13/14 gear and then quit pvp completely.
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u/gianfrancbro 1d ago
The 5 man squads doing it are too fkn dumb to realize that theyâre not the only ones with that idea so you end up still getting 20-30 honor per kill AND extend the game/trigger a turtle.
If youâre gonna roam just do it solo. At worst youâll have to split it with one or two other people in the vicinity
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u/JJJHeimerSchmidt420 1d ago
Sounds like both sides are feeling the struggle of inefficient AV games now. The "semi-turtle" is in. And nobody likes it, except for the 5 man teams on each side causing it.
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u/CLYDEFR000G 17h ago
I played like 10 games last night and 7 of them had giant waves of horde coming to gank our entire team killing Galv. If thatâs not full on turtle tactics idk what is. Now we donât get the extra honor for the kill and you made all of us res at the far back GY. You just expect me to now afk and you come in to cap? Nah Iâm gonna turtle until you afk out
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u/notislant 1d ago
People really crying about slow av games in classic. Holy fuck the community is cooked.
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u/Gamingmademedoit 1d ago
Tbf, the true Vanilla AV was a lot harder and why it took some days for an AV to end. We never got that in 2019 classic, nor will we now. It's the overlytuned almost TBC AV that we got for classic this whole time.
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u/TordenDag 1d ago
Lets be honest whenever you rank you do tend to play beyond enjoyment. You might have appetite for 10 hours of pvp a week but the ranking system might see you doing 30-60 hours. Most people will then try to keep that 30 hours, not 60
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u/Tough_Carrot3813 1d ago
Yep. I can stay motivated for 50-75k honor a day beyond that I am just numb about it xD
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u/Trick_Wrongdoer_5847 1d ago edited 1d ago
You can sometimes read the insane entitlement in some of those comments as if they lost touch with reality or never had any.
"We need to play it as a team game, but don't PvP and do how I tell you to and when or I mass report you, or you are "selfish" and ruin my games, my honor, my time mine mine mine."
Everyone plays videogames out of a selfish desire, nobody has to bend to someone, especially not to some entitled doucebag.
WoW got ruined by it's community, fresh shows this the most.
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u/ma0za 1d ago
The psyop in this sub to make it seem like the people that are ACTUALLY pvping are the griefers is absolutely amazing to watch. Lmao
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u/ClosingFrantica 1d ago
We truly optimized the fun out of the game, because it seems like nobody is having any
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u/ResortIcy9460 1d ago
It is spring, sun is shining it would be nice to relax and go for a walk but I "have to" keep playing to hit that honor gate which takes 4 times as long as necessary. Its much more fun to play for a bit than to drag on and on until at the end of the day everyone stand around afk in av
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u/Sufficient-Cat-7671 18h ago
It is funny. People who advertise losing on purpose call out the people playing for a win griefers.
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u/LEGTZSE 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ah yes , I keep forgetting people donât play pvp because they like pvp but theyâre only there for the gear
And if you AFK out of AV youâre pathetic (in my humble opinion)
Lmao pvp haters downvoting. Go to your safespace and let pvpâers enjoy pvp bozos
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u/lapetee 1d ago
Go ab or wsg. Oh wait, you dont want to actually pvp.
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u/LEGTZSE 1d ago
Are you seriously defending your argument by stating somebody should not join AV - a pvp battleground - if they want to pvp?
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u/lapetee 1d ago
Why do they want to join AV? There are 2 other more interactive bgs without pve objectives.
Answer: Its because av is best hph, because of the people who actually do the objectives. Those pvp roamers are just trying to max their hph by letting their team do all the work while they gang gank the opposite faction players who also just want to play the objective and not fight mid lmao.
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u/LEGTZSE 23h ago
So you ĂĄre saying you should not join av - a pvp battleground - if you want to pvp âsince there are 2 more interactive pvp battlegroundsâ? Lmao
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u/AbyssalKultist 1d ago edited 1d ago
A 5 man roam squad sounds fun as hell and I could not give less of a shit about your honor per hour.
I remember in OG vanilla Horde people would get mad if people went to Balinda or Snowfall. I thought it was dumb then and still think it's dumb now. The BG doesn't revolve around your trying to rank as efficiently as possible by zerging.
Personally I love just wandering around and causing trouble. Capping shit that I'm not supposed to etc. It's way more enjoyable.
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u/Sufficient-Cat-7671 1d ago
I really think this hate against turtles are selfish. Let people have fun in AV and try to win if they want. Just because you play for honor, does it mean everyone else should bend over and rush a fast game?
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u/Infamousd2 1d ago
The majority of people playing Av are there for the honor, I would argue that playing to turtle so you can âPvPâ (aka sit on a hill as a ranged character and do absolutely nothing to help your team win) is the selfish play here.
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u/Puckett52 1d ago
Ok but those 14 minute 6,000 honor games are sooo nice. And 10x more fun. Canât stop wonât stop ganking with the bois
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u/couchpotatoh 1d ago
That only works if someone else does all the work for you tho lol
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u/jamie1414 1d ago
Guys got the same vibes of, "I parse greys and still clear the raid". yeah ok you get carried lol.
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u/Puckett52 1d ago
Yea you guys are so fucking good at the game itâs crazy. You can actually push in one direction and kill a single boss with no mechanics at all. Crazy work! Thanks so much man.
Here is how I see it: Iâm having fun with my friends, getting better honor than you, and being more interactive. While youâre getting really mad and slamming your face into the same NPC over and over and over. Have fun buddy
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u/Vohemot 1d ago
When the lobbies start transitioning to 1 hour + games every time, I hope you realize its your attitude that causes it.
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u/Puckett52 1d ago
Not gonna happen I promise. Too many people in AV HATE PVP. I enjoy PVP. Simple as.
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u/Specialist_Chip4481 1d ago
Youâre only getting better honor because everyone else isnât doing what youâre doing.
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u/Puckett52 1d ago
Yea I understand that.
What iâm saying is 75% of the PVE players in AV, would rather have their cocks chopped off by a dull knife then engage in any kind of PVP at all. So while youâre correct itâs a non-realistic scenario. Those zug boys will zug
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u/Puckett52 1d ago
Does all the work? You mean press 1 button against an NPC till he dies? Yea man thatâs so much work lmfao Youâre such a gamer
Nah imma keep doing PVP in a BG thanks tho :) Have fun with your inefficient AV games and malding about it while iâm having fun. Does all the work LOL Fuck thatâs funny
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u/alan-penrose 1d ago
This sub is the fucking worst. God forbid people PvP in a battleground.
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u/Tumblechunk 16h ago
"honor per hour"
I am here to kill humans, short humans, and purple humans, be cause they deserve it, I am on the warpath
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u/Cutscene_ 1d ago
Why not just sit at the quest givers if theyâre that bad managed to get all classes r14 that way fast because I go super hard till 11 then it becomes brain rot so Netflix and av become the best friends
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u/listenspace 1d ago
AB just came out, and it is a bonus weekend. AV game quality is expected to be in the gutter.
The average gamer underestimates the player gap. Especially when it comes to the entitlement of dragonslaying rankers.
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u/TaadisNasty 1d ago
Turning around on horde being greedy for 60% mounts have been the best honor farm for me and my group. So maybe don't fuck with our slow boats lol.
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u/Vohemot 1d ago
At everyone else's expense, what a shocker
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u/TaadisNasty 1d ago
Games still in under 20 mins 90% of the time so I'm not complaining. 6k+ honor. Not ruining my time đ¤
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u/Neitzi 1d ago
Post your NIT tracker
Calling cap on this one broski
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u/TaadisNasty 20h ago edited 20h ago
I'll dm you most recent 30 games and you can do with it what you want. But you will see even in loss it's sub 20 mins and 5k+ honor.
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u/Cephell 1d ago
I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, but if your 5 man peels our zerg from the back and defends lts to farm extra honor, I'm recalling and wiping your zerg.