r/confidentlyincorrect • u/Substantial-Gear3279 • 18d ago

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u/wot_r_u_doin_dave 18d ago

The whole Nazi thing will be nothing in the longterm compared to his underestimating how quickly China will dominate the EV space.

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u/[deleted] 18d ago

Gladly, the US isn't the boss of the world anymore- despite Trump's protestations and tantrums. Tesla & Big Oil have been hard-lobbying to keep tariffs high on Chinese imports. Tesla prefers people buy their $70k+ EVs, and Big Oil would rather that people not be able to buy $30k EVs in North America. Car Culture must continue on!

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u/wot_r_u_doin_dave 18d ago

All true. But even if it wasn’t for Trump and all his nonsense Tesla took their eye off the ball a while back. China will steal the bottom end of the market and they’re rapidly losing the luxury space to the likes of Audi, Mercedes etc. The truck is just a stupid gimmick. Even the likes of Renault are making Tesla beaters now. And it’s because Musk is actually a really shitty CEO as well as being a really shitty person.

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u/Sharkbait1737 18d ago

It seems to me (as a total layman when it comes to the EV market) that Elon and the US more broadly have completely dropped the ball on this to “own the libs”.

Which is stupid, because they had the ball, and it would be easier to keep it than try to get it back - and that should be Elon’s entire job as CEO and Drumpf’s as President. But no. Putting the US at a huge competitive disadvantage in the coming century.

America’s previous dominance was built on fossil fuels, and they could have used that power to get ahead on the next big energy market to lock in that dominance for decades to come - but those libs weren’t going to own themselves.

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u/Wilsonian81 18d ago

It isn't even to "own the libs". This all stems from the fact that people were mean to him on Twitter. It started when he offered to build a shitty submarine to rescue some kids in a cave and was told "No, thanks". It fractured his ego and everything just spiraled from there.

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u/Technical_Scallion_2 17d ago

He was always like this but had a marketing team to insulate him from public discourse. This all started when he fired that marketing team before the sub incident and began communicating directly.

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u/Jerryjb63 18d ago

That’s how you can tell who’s fighting for progress and who’s just fighting for the status quo.

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u/Skurvy2k 17d ago

To be clear, liberals are just as addicted to the status quo as this crop of conservative, reactionaries and Christian nationalists are.

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u/Jerryjb63 17d ago

Yeah… Did you not pay attention to the Biden administration? They were investing into EVs, microchips, infrastructure, education, and climate change?

I agree though. I still think there’s a mindset that the Democratic Party needs to grow by appeasing moderates and courting independents, instead of pushing the country back toward the left and the rest of modern world providing healthcare and education.

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u/Skurvy2k 17d ago

All in service of capitalism. The status quo.

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u/bobthemundane 17d ago

Even in self driving Tesla dropped the ball hard. They gave up lidar, and only have cameras on their cars now. Those cameras will not be able to keep up with lidar, and will not be able to be used in some weather conditions. The thing they were hyping up, full self driving, will never be seen with their current lineup because someone high up decided to save a few bucks by giving up lidar cameras and only using regular camera.

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u/robobobo91 17d ago

Mark Rober just put up a video where he straight up puts it through a wall like Wiley Coyote

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u/Sartres_Roommate 17d ago

He was actually right when he said they had put all their eggs into the FSD basket. And that is where they are already getting beaten but because Elon, and Elon alone, made the choice to not use lidar they are now so far behind in FSD it is impossible to catch up.

Tesla is done and the investors are finally getting it.

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u/r0b0d0c 2d ago

I doubt Tesla's FSD will ever work. If they can't get FSD to perform after crunching millions of hours of training data, maybe they need to scrap their current models and start over from scratch.

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u/Mobirae 17d ago

He's failed upwards his entire life. It's wild how far he made it by buying everyone else's work and rebranding it as his own

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u/ideaman21 1d ago

He had to have also bought the media. They pretended like he was the genius of Tesla as well as SpaceX. He's just the CEO with mental problems. Now a drug problem and has been a spoiled rich kid his entire life. But someone or some group must have helped bring this all about. He's never been a profitable CEO and has lived on our government grants this entire time.

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u/khrak 17d ago edited 17d ago

Every time I see that stupid truck I just see this, The Elon Homer.

P.S. The Homer had a MSRP of $82k, The Elon comes in at $80k.

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u/tehfly 18d ago

Gladly, the US isn't the boss of the world anymore- despite Trump's protestations and tantrums.

Arguably Trump ans his tantrums have played a big role in the US not being the boss of the world.

The US has been able to just come in and dominate conversations and deals. But Trump backing out of everything has made the world realize the US is unreliable as a partner and everyone else needs to step up.

Trump said he would run the country like one of his businesses - and he certainly did.

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u/arfur-sixpence 17d ago

"run the country like one of his businesses" - Into the ground.

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u/[deleted] 17d ago

It's been mentioned often but is worth repeating- he bankrupted a casino.

"Hundreds of companies" have filed for bankruptcy, Trump said earlier in the debate. "I used the law four times and made a tremendous thing. I'm in business. I did a very good job."

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u/mittenknittin 17d ago

He bankrupted multiple casinos.

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u/ELMUNECODETACOMA 17d ago

He bankrupted a professional football league with a network TV contract.

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u/gcnplover23 4d ago

I think I know how he bankrupted 4 casinos. He bought those casinos with functioning management teams. But because he was smarter than them he decided to run them by his own rules. Having never had gaming experience what could go wrong.

He likes using "holding cards" reference lately. I would love to play some poker with him.

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u/karmaceuticaI 17d ago

This.

Also PumpkinSpicePalpatine is a big reason China is even in the position they are with EVs In the first place.

His "run it like a business" mentality would've never worked because the US needs global trade to actually run since we don't really make anything, and buy most everything from other countries. china understood that Trump was making us weaker, and Pounced on his protectionist, maga bullshit, and started building relationships with other developing countries, like Africa etc.

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u/Weird-King6449 12d ago

Oh it's going to be way worse.

The US is abdicating all its soft power. China wil swoop in. But China is headed towards a demographic crisis that will cripple it in the next two decades. So expect that by 2050, without proper superpowers to keep smaller but bellicose regional powers in check, there is going to be international chaos, if not outright war. Neither Europe nor India are going to be able to fill in the gap in that short of a timespan, considering both that European leaders are very good at taking their time to sort out their s**t and that India will take quite a while to snap out of its current nationalist funk.

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u/ideaman21 1d ago

And probably funded Trump's election, secretly. This was too easy.

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u/FeeIsRequired 17d ago

Arguably?!

Most certainly

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u/Serious_Shopping_262 17d ago

I would much rather have China at the forefront of the world than US. I swear to god, every product that comes out of America is subpar or overpriced. At least Chinese people make some half decent stuff

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u/Unhappy_Meaning607 7d ago

Tesla market share in China for 2022 was ~16% and in 2025 it was 4.3%.

They're done in Asia.

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u/maxstrike 17d ago

One major correction. Those Tesla Model Ys ran in the mid $40k range after tax credits. I bought one because there literally weren't any hybrids available from any company for under $55k and a 6 month waiting list. During the pandemic era, there was a chip shortage and only Teslas were going for MSRP. In my area Toyotas were going for 5 to 10k over sticker with virtually no negotiation room (there were Prius models going for close to $60k, it was a crazy time to buy a car). I got a trade in offer for my 5 year old used Civic for MORE than I paid for it. Unfortunately I needed another car and gave the Civic to my daughter, who got her first job after college.

Let's correctly remember why Tesla sold so many cars instead of inventing history. If there weren't supply chain issues, then Tesla would never have sold so many cars. In addition this was preNazi and preTwitter Elon. The other car companies created Tesla by being greedy. That is what really happened.