r/conservatives • u/interestingfactoid • Mar 06 '25
Discussion As a Democrat, I'm embarrassed for my party
https://nypost.com/2025/03/05/opinion/as-a-democrat-im-embarrassed-for-my-party-and-worried-for-the-nation/16
u/SuchDogeHodler Mar 06 '25
Did you hear about CNNs factcheck of trumps speech going down in flames?
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u/TheRealJDubb Mar 07 '25
Over in r/Democrat they are hopping mad over the 22 Dems that voted to censure Green. They actually called them "racists".
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u/LostGirl1976 Mar 07 '25
Because most Reddit Democrats are just as bad as what we saw Tuesday night. Those who aren't are afraid to speak up for fear of getting booted from their subs.
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u/likeabuddha Mar 06 '25
Thank god republicans have the majority in congress right now. These smug self righteous fucks would burn America to the ground before they work with trump on ANYTHING. Even issues all Americans can agree on would be shut down purely out of spite if it was Trumps idea. Embarrassing group of folks they got over there.
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u/ladedafuckit Mar 07 '25
It’s so interesting because I think a lot of democrats right now are terrified of Trump burning America down. I guess I just don’t understand how both sides feel like the other one is completely destroying the country
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u/ScubaSteveUctv Mar 07 '25
I was embarsssed for them after Obamas first term literally doing everything g he did he wouldn’t do. Never looked back. No ragerts. (Not even a single letter)
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u/xxSpeedsterxx Mar 06 '25
When Democrats start posting this stuff on their own subs then things for them my start to change for the better for them.
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 06 '25
Unfortunately it won’t happen. The mods of those subs are so far removed from reality that they think their censorship is heroism.
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u/AmongTheElect Repeal the 19th Mar 07 '25
At heart, the general public is centrist and at least hopes for both sides to pretend to work together. You see clips of Japanese and Italian congresses having real fights, and this doesn't really fly in America. Every single president has campaigned on their ability to negotiate both sides of the aisle, and whether they actually do or not, it's what people want to hear. So seeing democrats absolutely refuse to reach across is a political loss, not a win. It was a brilliant statement by Trump, and to say so up front, too, that there's nothing he can do to make democrats like him. And they immediately showed he was right.
The average democrat would rather elect a Republican who votes both sides of the aisle than a democrat who only votes party line, and vice versa. Yet Al Green goes and gets himself kicked out before Trump even says anything.
This is a losing strategy by the democrats and I support it wholeheartedly. Keep it up!
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u/TankerD18 Mar 06 '25
I don't get it. I have a friend who is pro-gun, anti-open borders, anti-Ukraine war funding and anti-woke and still is a longtime Democrat voter. It's not like he's falling all over himself for abortion rights either. Like why man, what do they do that actually furthers your interests and betters your life? I get you don't like Trump, lots of conservatives don't like Trump either, but why throw your vote away on a party that doesn't actually give a shit about this nation?
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u/warrionation Mar 06 '25
They aren’t democrats. They are socialists. The party that has ruined all credibility of the democrat party.
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u/CJ5jeep2012 Mar 06 '25
The Democratic Party of today, is the complete opposite of the Democratic Party of 30-40-50 years ago.
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u/Time_Garden_2725 Mar 06 '25
The campaign was based on hate and fear. Get a dialogue going on a path of good policy and a procedure to get there. I am not polerized I split my ticket frequently. I need to see more moderate leaders. Both sides could be more of this.
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u/KPRP428 Mar 06 '25
I wholeheartedly agree. I am a person without a party. I consider myself a moderate centrist and no one speaks for me. IMHO both parties have gone to extremes and are focused on opinions on the fringe. And I don’t see that changing any time soon.
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u/theonly764hero Mar 07 '25
Based on your post history and the communities you are active in, you are certainly not a Democrat. I think the Democratic Party is rubbish, but you don’t need to use that tactic around here.
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u/Tracieattimes Mar 07 '25
I think OP posted the article with that title. He was likely not identifying himself as a Democrat.
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u/tanknav Mar 06 '25
I do not know the author, but I respect his ability to recognize the simple truth. I also concede that Rep Joe Wilson brought discredit to my party with his unseemly outburst years ago. We should be able to disagree in a respectful yet resolute manner without descending into childish petulance. We should be able to agree on obviously positive outcomes even if we disagree on the best methods for attaining them. We can and should all learn lessons from the bad impulses and poor decorum of our fringe elements.
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u/VernalPoole Mar 07 '25
I agree. I think many of our pol's are now just performing for social media and abandoning common courtesy. The internet is actively helping to kill our way of life in ways that we can't seem to counteract.
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u/SnooAdvice526 Mar 06 '25
Op is right. If democrats move toward the center things could get interesting. Unfortunately they are beholden to the lunatic far left so I don’t thing there is much hope for them.
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u/AmongTheElect Repeal the 19th Mar 07 '25
20 years of "If you don't agree with me you're racist" and they've gone and let the radicals take over. Reddit tells me the Right is moving further right, yet Trump's inner circle is all former democrats.
They'd have to be able to say "No, that goes too far" to stop the bleeding, but I really don't think they're capable of that. And it'll only get worse when Pelosi finally leaves and a less-capable leader is in charge.
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u/r2k398 Mar 06 '25
Go read any of Clinton’s SotU speeches and you can see how far left the left has moved.
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u/Kamalas_Liver Mar 06 '25
As an American, I am ashamed that we have such degenerate, anti-American filth living amount us.
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u/Jersey_F15C Mar 06 '25
As a democrat... why are you posting in r/conservatives
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u/Rocket_Surgery83 Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
My first thought is it's always a troll style question so they can screenshot any ridiculous comments and post them back in the lefty subs as proof that we're "all deranged, out of touch, delusional" etc...
When they don't get those responses they have no content, and will usually delete the post themselves.
Rarely is it ever a genuine question/conversation.
In this case though, look at the OPs post history. This is just karma farming.
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u/OrdinaryWheel5177 Mar 06 '25
Your party has no goals or path to better. Your party is just the party of complaining and hate. Trumps address the other night did not help your cause, whatever that cause actually is.
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u/NatureBoyJ1 Mar 06 '25
This is far too simplistic and reductionist.
The Democrat Party has goals and paths ("better" is debatable).
They want the USA to become Europe -
* "Free" healthcare, education, childcare.
* Heavily centralized government that regulates all aspects of life across the nation (no States rights, no such thing as enumerated powers for the federal government).
* The destruction (or at best minimizing) of the nuclear family.
* Unregulated immigration.
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u/OrdinaryWheel5177 Mar 06 '25
These are just tired lines of the past. Sure they stand for something. You can throw in they want men to compete in women’s sports, continue wasteful spending of money, abortion for all at anytime… the point I’m making is there’s nothing new. There’s nothing combatting trump that is salable to enough people. Trump and trumps ideas are popular.
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u/SpaceTycoon Mar 06 '25
I feel the same could be said about the democrat party more then the Republican party at this point.
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u/OrdinaryWheel5177 Mar 06 '25
Yes that’s my point b
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u/SpaceTycoon Mar 06 '25
My bad, I thought you were a typical redditor referring to the Republicans in your comment as I have seen similar arguments from the left elsewhere.
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u/TicketEquivalent6199 Mar 07 '25
Honest question- why is it that the democratic part feels like they have to be 180 degrees apart from their opposition?
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u/duckfruits Mar 07 '25
The democrat party is just another right wing party... but it's purpose is to severely slow right wing progress for 4 to 8 years in order to trick the people into believing that they are making change. Right wing progress still happens with a dem in office but very minimally and then the feined "over correction" of the republican party for right wing agendas gets justified. All the bleeding heart social issues are just a manipulation tool. The dems weponize your empathy and pretend to want left wing progress and change. But they don't. They want power and money and they support right wing policy because it usually is more beneficial for them personally.
Trump is the closest we've come in a long time to being an outlier. A piece of gravel in the machine. He is disrupting several long running scams within the federal government that both parties built. Thats why hes so hated and smeared. I'm surprised he was backed by the republican party at all this time around. He played the game more the first time but I think we all knew he would push boundaries more this time.
Whatever you've been manipulated to feel about politics all these years... right or left... Trump will be a huge part of our history. And i genuinely believe that a lot of it will have a positive spin someday.
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u/wheeledjustice 29d ago
It is hard for many people in modern times to actually examine his policies for what they are because he is so loud and vitriolic. He acts like a bully so therefore his policies must be bad right?
I don’t necessarily think that’s the case. While I don’t agree with everything he’s done, I do think a lot of this dismantling will end up having positive effects in the future.
It would be a lot better in my eyes if he acted dignified while doing it or at least kind but you win some you lose some
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u/WhyAmIMisterPinkk Mar 07 '25
“Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.) called it ‘a sad cavalcade of self-owns and unhinged petulance’ that only made Trump look ‘more presidential and restrained.’
He warned that Democrats are becoming the political equivalent of a car alarm — constantly blaring and increasingly ignored.”
When John Fetterman is the most self-aware person in your party, you’re in deep shit.
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u/ghilliehead Mar 06 '25
Staying in a psychotic party after what they have done means you are part of the problem
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u/EmbarrassedEye2590 Mar 06 '25
OP, good job coming here. Now show the same courage and go post this on the liberal side of Reddit.
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u/Ordinary-Piano-8158 Mar 06 '25
It was wrong when MTG called out Biden, and it's even worse when you have organized resistance like what Democrats showed at Trump's address. I have never seen a leader let emotion rule their actions and have it turn out well.
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u/salmon-rusty Mar 06 '25
Wow this is some outlier out post in the liberal hell hole desert that Reddit is.. I’m glad I made it here.
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u/Dodge_Splendens Mar 06 '25
I think you need to explain more. Nothing to be embarrassed really since that’s already your trajectory since 2012.
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u/Fighter-of-Reindeer Mar 06 '25
With all due to respect, I find it laughable that my fellow conservatives in here are outraged at the dems behaviour over this incident while cheering from the heavens as children are slaughtered and or stolen every single day in Ukraine by Russia.
This just stinks of political grandstanding with no actual empathy whatsoever. I cannot imagine this forum cheering this brace little warrior on if he’d been brought up by the democrats.
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 06 '25
And what of all the hundreds of thousands of children being sold for child labor or sex trafficking knowingly but want to turn a blind eye to the illegal immigration problem plaguing our border. (Openly known based on congressional testimony)
It’s quite telling who the Democratic party really care for and it’s not their own constituents but the ones who line their pockets.
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u/Fighter-of-Reindeer Mar 06 '25
It’s not a choice, you’ve made it a choice. It’s a two problem issue and both problems are significant.
Contrarianism, it’s as poisonous as progressiveness, your the same coin just opposites side but neither of you can see it.
“Them libtards”, “them Nazi rightwingers” pffft!
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 06 '25
The Democratic Party literally avoided, celebrating the arrest of these traffickers and gang members crossing the border illegally while at the same time cheering for the money that we have spent towards a war that we should not be involved in.
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u/Fighter-of-Reindeer Mar 07 '25
If the US shouldn’t be involved, then they shouldn’t have signed the Budapest memorandum, and they shouldn’t have asked Ukraine to fight in Afghanistan’s and Iraq as allies. And sending old equipment so that a country can fight for its right to exist isn’t involvement, it’s a moral position.
It was republicans who said “Hitlers not our enemy” when Britain asked for aid as they stood alone against tyranny. But hey, I’m sure the message being sent that if you’re dictator and you want to take a neighbouring country, you can go ahead, won’t have any consequences.
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 07 '25
You do realize that Putin didn’t just up and decide to invade right? Yes his actions are completely wrong but treaties were broken prior to. Not to mention each invasion that he has made has been started while America was under the leadership of Bush jr., Obama, and Biden. He could have under Trumps first term and didn’t.
All of the things you mentioned as to what we have done such as give money and resources, sure they might be morally right but at some point when the war has been stagnant for as long as it has, both parties should really start considering peace talks, not doing a world tour asking for more handouts with zero intention of paying it back. Just look at the European Union meeting that just occurred. It was a bust and now Zelensky is left with the option of coming back and groveling at the feet of the U.S.
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u/Fighter-of-Reindeer Mar 07 '25
Sir, I am extremely well versed and experienced in this part of the world and I can assure you that Putin didn’t invade over “broken treaties”. That’s blatantly false. Which treaties were broken? Cite them for a reference check please. If you think Putin wouldn’t have invaded under Trump, then you don’t know the subject matter and are relying on Trumps egotistical announcements and Russian propaganda. Putins rearmament and military restructuring started in 2008 post the Russo-Georgian war after an operational report on the offensive was carried. The preparation for Ukraine began then, although jump started by Igor Girkin before the Russians were ready, they still inserted those troops to try and gain territory ha quickly as possible.
Putin then wrote the now famous pseudo “white paper” about the rebuilding of Novorossiya and published it in 2021.
For us historians, this isn’t a new playbook, Russia has been using this gameplan since Peter the great, with Stalin stamping his versioned name on the method with multiple invasions of neighbouring countries, one of those being Ukraine.
Just as reference note, ww2 is taught very different in Russia. It’s called the great patriotic war and its starts with the invasion of Russia by the Nazis. The invasion of Poland while allied to the Nazis is taught as a necessity to save Ukrainian and Belorussian speaking people after Poland broke multiple treaties. The irony was, that leading up to the invasion, Russia had just carried out the Holodomor genocide against Ukraine. It wasn’t about defending Ukrainians, it was about invading neighbours.
This isn’t new, Russia currently occupies land in Finland, Estonia, Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine. You don’t have to support these countries against a tyrant, but make sure you don’t celebrate the greatest generation either each year! Because they sure as hell wouldn’t have allowed this and all fought a tyrant who acted exactly the same!
And by the way, the mineral plan, was a Ukrainian offer brought about in the Obama administration, they offered to Obama, Biden and Trump 1, all said no thanks. No Trump acts like he came up with this brilliant plan.
The level of misinformation, lack of knowledge and lack of moral compressing from this strain of conservatives, is mind boggling.
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 07 '25
Well since you say you’re so versed in that region, does that mean you are Ukrainian?
Also this is what I am referring to when I say a treaty broken. A promise was made and the U.S. and NATO broke that by expanding eastward.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-shifrinson-russia-us-nato-deal—20160530-snap-story.html
None of what I’m saying is me defending Russia or Putin in their invasion, but can you blame them. If your neighbor said they wouldn’t expand their property lines towards yours and then they continued to do it, you’d have an issue with it too.
What I’m saying those for the U.S. not to interfere is we shouldn’t be involved in a proxy war. It does no good for the U.S. or the world as it just adds fuel to a larger potential global conflict.
Not to mention the fact that Russia has on multiple times wanted to join NATO and has been denied while we ally and trade with countries who dictatorships are far worse. (e.g. Saudi Arabia, China, etc.)
Maybe instead of targeting one country and making them the all mighty boogeymen, we bring them to the table and create a real peace agreement and work together as they would benefit just as much as others would when it comes to trade. But that will never happen because the military industrial complex needs a boogeyman so they can continue spending money. And this is all coming from someone who served and was deployed to combat zones.
I can tell though from your comment it unfortunately wouldn’t matter what is said or presented to you as you’re consumed with hatred for Trump. So good luck with that.
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u/Safe-Vegetable1211 Mar 06 '25
Are you aware we can see your post history 😂 as a democrat.
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 06 '25
People can still be a Democrat and not agree with or vote for the other party. My father and grandfather were lifelong Democrats but when the party shifted away from being the party of the working class they shifted their vote.
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u/Safe-Vegetable1211 Mar 07 '25
Looks at their post history.
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 07 '25
How far back am I supposed to look? Their account dates back 11 years. I highly doubt you looked back that far.
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u/Safe-Vegetable1211 Mar 07 '25
They were posting in r/republican and r/conservative 4 years ago, soo... how long do you have to have switched parties before you stop calling yourself a democrat?
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 07 '25
You don’t have to quit calling yourself a democrat just because you no longer approve of the parties messaging.
Like I said my father has been a lifelong Democrat, still registered as one, but doesn’t agree with its current messaging. He can still be a democrat though. Our political system is not a strict policy where one must change their party affiliation when they no longer agree with something that makes them feel they should vote against their own registered party.
That’s what’s wrong with the current political climate is so many on the left think it’s one way or the other, but it’s not. And honestly that’s why they are losing votes.
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u/Safe-Vegetable1211 Mar 07 '25
Look at the content he's posting. None of it is typical of democrat morals or ideals from the past 50 years. Just accept that it was a false title to engagement bait bro lol this dude has never been a dem.
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u/SongUpstairs671 Mar 06 '25
Marjorie Taylor Green was equally as bad yelling during Biden’s speech in 2023 as Al Green was this week. I don’t have a problem with boycotting the speech in protest, but showing up and being obnoxious is never the right answer.
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 06 '25
She was yelling yes, but she didn’t keep going when told to subside.
Not to mention the minority leader (Democrat) told his side to have decorum for the address. Apparently his own team doesn’t even have respect for him based on Rep Greens behavior.
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u/SongUpstairs671 Mar 06 '25
Yelling and acting out during a speech is always a bad look. But every time, the party that is not in the presidency always does it. We should expect better from our highest leaders, in both parties.
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u/Cbanks89 Mar 06 '25
Agreed both parties should definitely keep decorum but if they do act out and the speaker orders them to subside, they should immediately subside not continue.
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u/Savant_Guarde Mar 06 '25
I remember when the country would unify around a cause, when it was America first etc. Since Obama, this country has been divided.
Since when does any decent person, regardless of political party NOT applaud the courage of a cancer survivor child?
I mean really, WTF was that?