r/fednews • u/FutureComputerDude I'm On My Lunch Break • 25d ago
HHS Sect. RFK: It would be better if everyone got measles because the vaccine causes deaths every year and the government shouldn't force vaccinations
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rfk-jr-it-would-be-better-if-everybody-got-measles/435
u/LeftyRambles2413 25d ago
Yet he was fine getting his own kids vaccinated. Dude is nothing but a pathetic grifter who uses his family name to give him false credibility that he’s done nothing to earn or deserve.
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u/LawGroundbreaking221 25d ago
His nanny probably got the kids vaccinated and didn't even involve him. This guy wants to be more involved in your kids' lives than he was probably involved in his own.
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u/xoxogamergrill 25d ago edited 25d ago
It's 10000% true. This guy wants to be more involved in your kids' lives than he was in his own.
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u/Successful_Web3196 25d ago
RFK was also buddies with Jeffrey Epstein. He is a confirmed passenger of the Lolita express.
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u/FaultySage By the People, For the People 25d ago
I think he's one of the few people in this administration who's not a grifter but just a brain damaged, delusional man.
It's funny if you actually read up on his legacy. He got into environmental law as part of his community service for an early drug conviction, and then worked on it most of his life. He was actually really fucking good at it. Obama even considered him for a cabinet position (ironically they were worried the drug charge would bring too much resistance).
Then at some point in the mid-2000s he seems to have fallen into these conspiracy theories. I honestly believe at some point further drug use or the parasitic worm did enough damage to him to addle his mind and he went on this full campaign of health crazes and anti-vaccine idiocy.
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u/LeftyRambles2413 25d ago
I will admit that a lot of my detesting of him has to do with he uses anxieties about Autism( I’m Autistic) to push anti vaccine propaganda.
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u/FaultySage By the People, For the People 25d ago
Yeah I don't defend or condone his current actions, I just think whereas Trump and Elon are legitamately evil people, RFK is just completely delusional. Certainly has no idea what he's talking about and shouldn't be in charge of anything and probably shouldn't have any platform to spread his ideas.
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u/Comprehensive-Row198 25d ago
I agree with you; he is merely or mostly unequipped for this job. And instead of relying on a cohort of scientists and health policy/epidemiology experts, he opts to make pronouncements rooted in the debunked theories or misapplied and misinterpreted research results that he himself holds. So, maybe not inherently malevolent, he nonetheless wields his powers to devastating effect— no net good seen so far!
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u/Flat-Novel-9489 25d ago
I lived in NY in the early 2010s and I just knew him as the Riverkeeper Kennedy. I had no idea he had all these other, uh, beliefs.
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u/FuzzyComedian638 25d ago
As I understand it, he did some good work with the Riverkeepers. Maybe this was before his brain got fried.
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u/makemeking706 25d ago
Between the narcissism and dementia, I think trump is not only a conman, but also a true believer in a portion in the things that don't directly overlap with the cons.
From what I have read McMahon and Kash also seem like true believers.
Noem, I feel, is just a useful idiot. Gabbard is bought and sold.
Who else am I forgetting?
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u/Environmental-Low42 25d ago
I listened to a podcast about his life that stated his kids were vaccinated and one developed severe allergies and he's blamed the vaccines. So while he's clearly a pos, he's emotionally reacting from a place of ignorance. Which apparently makes him relatable to the general public :p
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u/UpbeatBarracuda 25d ago
My goodness, allergies! What a tragedy. Much much worse, far worse, than getting measles and going blind or living with an inflamed brain...
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u/GrittyMcGrittyface 25d ago
There is NO PROVEN LINK between vaccines and allergies, so it's a stupid argument to begin with
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u/Typical2sday 25d ago
And Trump latched on to this several years ago (see the 2016 run) and people thought it was bc Barron was a different kid
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u/lazergator 25d ago
He’s a fucking terrible person. His lies literally get people killed.
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u/15all Federal Employee 25d ago
As a scientist (although not in the medical field), it's apocalyptically depressing when our brightest minds work hard, discover the basis for infectious diseases, and develop cures for those diseases that clearly save lives -- only to have it thrown away by idiots like this.
If there is a god, he or she must be weeping. "I gave you the means to succeed, and what do you do?"
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u/ahhh_ennui I Support Feds 25d ago
I tell this to folks who will listen - my dad had measles and mumps in elementary school. He lost so much time, and struggled to catch up for the rest of his educational life. He was ashamed of that. Also, measles destroyed the nerve in his left ear, which is a fairly serious disability. Not the worst disability, but enough to complicate a whole lot. Pronouncing simple but unfamiliar names is difficult, which is embarrassing considering his career path. No sense of direction if a person isn't directly in view. People think he's an asshole if they're talking to him on his left side and he's not reacting. The general annoyance of having to turn his head to understand folks. He can't pick up new languages easily at all because getting pronunciation correct is a significant challenge.
He then got rubella in college.
The vaccine came out a year after his rubella.
You bet he made sure I was completely vaccinated, even now he reminds me to get annual vaccines.
He is beyond disgusted that parents willingly risk a lifetime of unnecessary and preventable hardship for their children.
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u/15all Federal Employee 25d ago
I can relate. I was born before the measles vaccine came out, but when it was available my mom marched me down there and made sure I got it. My mom grew up before the vaccine and was scared of the disease, rightfully so, and so she wasn't going to fool around. I also remember getting the rubella vaccination in school (I think that what it was). I also knew a few polio victims, and I also remember my mom not fucking around when that vaccine became available.
Also, measles destroyed the nerve in his left ear, which is a fairly serious disability.
Again, I can relate. I have been deaf in one ear all my life, and mine is also caused by nerve damage. My mom said I got very sick when I was an infant, which might have caused my deafness, or I might have been born with it.
To bring this full circle, my mother died of covid. She was able to get me vaccinated for measles and other childhood diseases, but she died before the virus was available, so I couldn't return the favor to her. It annoys the living fuck out of me when I hear someone pushing back on the covid vaccine.
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u/tyedyehippy Honk If U ❤ the Constitution 25d ago
My grandma's Uncle Tom was born blind in 1901 because his mother had rubella while pregnant with him. That woman would've been so ashamed and offended by these people who refuse the MMR. I know, for a fact, she would've rather had the vaccine than to have her oldest child be blind from birth, because that woman lived until 1961 and I was close with my grandma who knew and was close with all of those people.
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u/kakashi_sensay 25d ago
I have the upmost respect for science and scientists. I can only imagine how you all must be feeling. This is so beyond dystopian… I can’t believe this is reality. 😵💫
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u/ironic-hat 25d ago
I once dated someone who had to be the smartest person in the room. Any person who could demonstrate they were more knowledgeable about any subject than him was a huge threat to his ego. No sin greater than making him feel less than.
I image the same people who ignore or disregard expert advice are more or less cut from the same cloth. Admitting there are people smarter than them makes them feel small, so it’s easier to dismiss the medical/science field as a whole.
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u/Aspiemoto 25d ago
Seriously?
Measles vaccine mortality rate is 1 in a million according to the NIH. Measles mortality rate is 1 in 1000 also according to the NIH.
Lets cause 1000 times more deaths for freedom. /s
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u/powerlesshero111 25d ago
And the 1 in 1 million is an over-estimate too, where in the actual cause of death can be something else, but the vaccine is listed as a contributor. Like an undiagnosed autoimmune disorder could be the main cause, but a vaccine contributed.
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u/ethertrace 25d ago
And that ~1 in 1000 is in developed countries with good healthcare and a healthy population. In underdeveloped countries with high malnutrition and little access to healthcare, mortality rate can be as high as 30%. It can cause acute immunosuppression and make you vulnerable to all kinds of other infections, even if you were previously immune to them.
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u/sluthulhu I Support Feds 25d ago
Even if you don’t die, you can still end up with immune amnesia, permanent brain damage or hearing loss. It can kill fetuses too, very pro-life of them!
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u/chriswithabook 25d ago
It’s eugenics. Kill as many poor, old, and marginalized people as possible. His family is vaccinated. This is what evil looks like.
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u/Freya_gleamingstar 25d ago
I work in a level 1 trauma center. A few months back a woman came in as a trauma following a pretty bad car wreck at interstate speeds. She had to be extracted and it took about an hour. Open leg fractures, had lost some blood, was complaining of belly pain. Husband met her at the hospital as she arrived (he wasn't in the car with her). While the trauma surgeons were doing the workup we got to the point where they decide what imaging they wanted. Full head to toe cat scan in this case. Woman and her husband gasp and she says "wait! What about the radiation?!" Lead trauma doc explains how little a risk it is compared to not knowing what her injuries are. Patient isn't having it and is saying things like "I just don't know, it sounds too risky from what I've read online." Husband is surfing a "natural medicine" page on his phone reading off their quackery. Lead surgeon finally had enough, turns to the order entry nurse and says "fine, no CTs, please get the chaplain and consult palliative care" and walks out. About 10 seconds later wife and Husband are all like...wait, we've reconsidered!
It's breathtaking the level of science denialism that's taken place.
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u/LabRat_X 25d ago
What if we fight deadly diseases by...NOT fighting them! Yeah it's that fucking dumb. I hate this universe 😑
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u/ArrivesLate 25d ago
Yeah this is not fighting fire with fire, this is fighting fire with gasoline.
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u/botanist608 25d ago
Was at the doctor last week and asked for a copy of my vaccination record since they recently digitalized files. I was so grateful looking at it and got flowers to thank my mom for getting me vaccinated as a kid.
This man is a scheming disgrace.
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u/Devilofchaos108070 25d ago
Really shouldn’t surprise anyone at all. He hasn’t changed his stance on this.
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u/lordnecro DOC 25d ago
“There are adverse events from the vaccine. It does cause deaths every year. It causes all the illnesses that measles itself cause, like encephalitis and blindness, etc., so people ought to be able to make that choice for themselves,” he said, while adding that the vaccine does “stop the spread of the disease.”
Measles deaths per year before vaccine: 500/year.
Measles serious side effects happen to 1/5 and can include pneumonia, seizures, paralysis, permanent hearing loss, blindness, weakened immune systems.
Measles vaccine deaths per year in healthy people: 0/year. Only rare deaths from immune compromised people (and it is recommended they don't get the vaccine).
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u/coldbeeronsunday Poor Probie Employee 25d ago
He could say the same about any vaccine against any virus, but I can tell you with certainty that I would rather NOT have had flu A this year. I had it, my teenager had it, it was brutal and extremely disruptive to our lives. Missed a lot of work and instruction at school, etc. We were both vaxxed, but one reason vaccinated people still get these viruses is because unvaccinated people with higher viral loads are spreading it around everywhere. (At least that is my understanding - I am not a doctor.)
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u/porgch0ps 25d ago
Unfortunately, I’m afraid he’s going to lead a chain of events that will cause insurance companies to not cover vaccines anymore. In a country where so many are already buried under medical debt.
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u/awwaygirl 25d ago
Welp. Gold medal mental gymnastics.
For anyone not aware, Measles causes IMMUNE AMNESIA. It attacks the cells that store your immune history - all the lessons your immune system has learned from the bugs it's fought over your lifetime.
So if it doesn't kill you, it'll make you start over at square one for ALL of your immunities.
The immune memory is WIPED OUT. You'll get sick with everything you've ever fought before, just like it's the first time again.
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u/LeCheffre Go Fork Yourself 25d ago
Sigh. People also die from measles, which is why we vaccinate.
According to WHO, 107k people (mostly children under 5) died from measles in 2023. Vaccine related deaths are nowhere near as dangerous.
He’s such a ninny.
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u/meatboat2tunatown 25d ago
Oh sure if you believe the WHO's false propaganda
- Trump Cultist, probably
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u/FBIVanAcrossThStreet 25d ago
There were probably about another 100,000 or so kids in 2023 who didn’t die from measles but who went deaf or had debilitating brain damage from it.
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u/Zealousideal_Most_22 25d ago edited 25d ago
I miss the days before all this started when I spent my days being able to concentrate on manifesting the Kennedy Curse hit him like a spider-monkey all jacked up on mountain dew. Now there are so many people I want to get beat down with the karma stick there’s almost too many to properly focus on. And hey, fwiw, he wants us to get hit with the super-plague.
He’s suggested we stop culling the chickens with the avian flu and keep them around as part of an experiment to study what kind of resistance surviving chickens may develop. Of course this means that it will result in a strain resistant to the vaccines we currently have, and possibly bring it one step closer to true human transmission. Once that cooks in the cauldron long enough we can put the measles and other misc diseases in for flavoring and bring to a boil. Walah! Now no one dies from measles, they die from the super-sickness concocted courtesy of RFKJ.
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u/Proper-Media2908 25d ago
I hate pointing out the obvious,but apparently it is necessary. Measles killed people every year in this country until we got the vaccine.
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u/Trumpflation 25d ago
Hey, you know, this method of unleashing deadly viruses in naive populations sure worked out great every single time it’s been tried in the past! Just look at how well the Native American populations fared.
There’s nothing greater for America than winding back the clock 5 centuries and revisiting the early days of white European dominance!! It’s gonna be Uuuuuuuge!
Only about 10% survived the onslaught of diseases and subjugation. But that ~10%was so worthy of living!! So much so, that we rounded them up into what we’d call very large concentration camps today!
Man, weren’t the old days great?!?
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u/throwaway-coparent 25d ago
Our country is being overthrown by the dumbest people alive. Sweet jesus on a corndog
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u/seekAr 25d ago
Know what else causes deaths?
- cutting social safety nets like snap, Medicare, Medicaid
- stealing from social security or cutting it and calling it an entitlement as if it was a gift and not a required investment
- brainworms, some unfortunately not as fast as desired
- dividing America through bigotry that causes citizens to kill or harm each other
- United healthcare
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u/Party_Use4138 25d ago
Republicans I will never forgive you all for voting for a clown show administration.
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u/IAmAHumanIPromise 25d ago
Jesus Christ can I just have 5 minutes where I don’t have to deal with stupid?
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u/Soggy-Act8390 25d ago
I like that he wants to get rid of all the dyes and bad food but Jesus stop saying vaccines are bad. They aren’t bad. Vaccines helped with lower infant and pediatric mortality rates. Also speaking as someone immune compromised vaccines can be life saving but sure let’s go back to where ppl had polio and measles. My great great aunt went blind from measles and scarlet fever and my grandmother had to lead her as a girl. While I never knew her my family would talk about how smart she was but didn’t have the opportunity because she was blind and in rural Mississippi.
It’s just not common sense and we all got vaccines as kids and the schools required it, I have friends that are autistic and they and I know that vaccines did not cause it.
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u/rottenconfetti 25d ago
Isn’t measles the disease that kinda jacks and resets your immune system? Isn’t this like the absolute worst disease to tell people to get because of the knock effect on other immunities?
No thanks. I’ll pass.
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25d ago
Smells like the whole herd immunity argument again.
One of my uncles is anti-vaxx and during covid he made the herd immunity argument, that it was somehow “necessary” for over a million Americans to die so that we’d get herd immunity.
I pretty much said “cool so if you get covid and die I won’t be going to your funeral, ill tell everyone its no big deal cause you had to die in order for the rest of us to benefit”. That shut him up immediately. But of course hilariously my extended family found my facetious reply to be “horrible”, yet don’t have the same outrage that he suggested its necessary for over a million Americans to die.
Can’t stand fking people in this country anymore who just refuse to use critical thinking skills and don’t care about anyone but themselves.
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u/renegade500 25d ago
JFC. And this on top of an unvaccinated child dying in Texas. Read the room asshole!
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u/CaptainHawaii 25d ago
And now there will be fucking zealots ready to spread the virus far and wide.
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u/enzohowling 25d ago
This is reminiscent of the Republican message for Covid 19. Since we can’t or won’t control it, hey it’s not dangerous, it’s better to just get it and get it over with. The people that die from it were weak anyway.
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u/Lindt_Licker 25d ago
Hannity - “I don’t like when people don’t tell the truth.”
Bitch do I have news for you.
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u/Environmental-Hour75 25d ago
I'll take my medical advice from people with medical degree's and certifications, not from a politician who consistently shows bad judgement.
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u/SAGELADY65 25d ago
Every single one of Trumps cabinet picks are as Ignorant, Unqualified and Uneducated as Trump is! Trump likes his cabinet to be as Brain Dead as he is!
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u/EubankNormal 25d ago
None of this is surprising - he makes money by suing vaccine manufacturers. He actually wants people to keep getting vaccinated, so he can sue on their behalf by claiming they were subject to "undisclosed" risks. He just wants to make judges and juries skeptical of vaccines so they will award judgments. It's all a grift, as usual.
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u/Equivalent_Section13 25d ago
I did get measles as a child. That was before vaccination. Measles can have really severe implications for pregnant women.
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u/keyjan I Support Feds 25d ago
And for the patients. Glad to see you seemed to come out of it ok..?
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u/NetscapeWasMyIdea 25d ago
Does this motherfucker own a history book? There are literally written records of what happened the last time large numbers of people were getting measles.
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u/Fast_Independence18 25d ago
Maybe MAGA will stop getting vaccinated and start exterminating themselves?
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u/Zealousideal_Host_86 25d ago
Measles can destroy immune memory and you would need to be vaccinated for everything again, not to mention the immunity you built up since infancy. It's a bad idea. Get the MMR vaccine at least twice. Thanks bro.
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u/1bensopinion 25d ago
China White Bobby will Make America High Again. https://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/17/us/robert-kennedy-jr-faces-charge-of-heroin-possession-in-s-dakota.html
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u/shesinsaneornot 25d ago
HHS Sect. RFK: It would be better if everyone got measles because
the vaccine causes deaths every year and the government shouldn't force vaccinationsbecause there are lots technical devices to assist those who lost sight and/or hearing when they had measles.
FTFH.
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u/Celeres517 25d ago
Well, I'm in favor of RFK getting measles and a lot of other things. #commonground
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u/Flat-Novel-9489 25d ago
I made sure to get my kids their Covid booster after the election because RFK wants to revoke the emergency authorization for it for kids under 12. I’m not that concerned about my kids dying from Covid at this point but I would like to reduce their risk of long covid.
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u/phoenix762 25d ago
WTF??? At this point I think they f’n WANT US TO DIE..
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u/Outrageous_Collar401 25d ago
I mean, you and I are not listening to his advice, are we? Republicans are.
If he wants them to die, who are we to stop them? 👍
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u/hmmmarvel 25d ago
I wish we could undo any vaccines he had and expose him to all the infectious diseases
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u/CactusZac098 Support & Defend 25d ago
Yes...let's NOT listen to scientists...
The people who actually when to school to learn about this shit and know what the fuck they're talking about.
Instead I'm just going to listen to some random jackoff.
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u/Catodacat 25d ago
Good thing we got rid of DEI, so that now we are a Meritocracy, with only the best and brightest leading us, unfettered by concerns of race or gender.
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u/CrackerJackKittyCat 25d ago
"When you and I were kids, everybody got measles."
That can't really be true, can it? This isn't chicken pox we're talking about.
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u/duckemaster 25d ago
Ya the conservatives in this country should not get the vaccine. Rest of us, lets do it.
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u/CassinaOrenda 25d ago
Reminder that this is all intentional as part of some Kind of plan to cause instability. Nobody can be this stupid.
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u/Altruistic_Fold_1628 25d ago
Everyone needs to contact Bill Cassidy. He is the doctor/senator that pretended to be skeptical and then stood up and supported RFK Jr. He is culpable in this mess. (202) 224-5824
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u/Frosty_Water5467 25d ago
Doesn't measles kill people? And cause heart and other organ damage? It can lead to pneumonia, encephalitis, blindness, deafness, immune system damage. But sure, just everybody get infected. We will then do nothing to treat the damage it does to your health because we have done away with Medicaid and Medicare.
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u/artikality 25d ago
Sigh. Does he know that measles can eliminate your B cell immunity so you have to relearn everything over 2 years?
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u/KaosJoe07 25d ago
Show your proof RFK? I know you have none. We all know you have none.
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None of these people do. That's why they are getting rid of all the people that provide the data. So they can just make shit up and there's no one to fact check.
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u/Interesting-Type-908 DHS 25d ago
Maybe consult an actual doctor on what measles does? This isn't the chicken pox Bobby.
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u/SeriousStrokes69 25d ago
I literally do not understand how a person can actually BE this stupid.