r/inthenews • u/chrisdh79 • 17d ago
Trump Admin Threatens to Stop Social Security If DOGE Can’t Have Personal Data
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-musk-stop-social-security-doge-data-1235300785/1.4k
u/Oldgrazinghorse 17d ago
Go ahead. Stop the checks. If you think Jan6 was bad…Wait till APRIL 3rd.
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u/BabyDirtyBurgers 17d ago
Isn’t the plan to enact martial law on April 20th? Seems like they’re really pushing for the excuse they need.
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u/akapusin3 17d ago
Why April 20th? Is there some significance for them about that date? /s
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u/Dash1992 17d ago edited 16d ago
It’s 90 days after 1/20 the inauguration. He issued an emergency order on 1/20 that gives HHS and DOD 90 days to review the border crisis and advise on the use of the insurrection act.
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u/akapusin3 17d ago
So nothing to do with anyone's birthday?
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u/LeahaP1013 17d ago
You mean Hitler’s? That’s just a bonus to Elon.
It’s also my ex-husband’s … think what you will.
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u/AngelComa 17d ago
When did you decide to divorce Hitler?
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u/kingtacticool 16d ago
You ever seen the back of a 20 Reichmark bill......on weeed?
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u/Minimum-Function1312 17d ago
I’m picturing our troops shooting into large groups of old people protesting for their social security??? Pretty sure young soldiers won’t want to shot their grandparents???
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u/ImpressiveMajor7512 17d ago
They are coming for social security now. Just wait until they come for the veterans benefits. But who knows, if he does that he may just have every veteran plus maybe half of our own military ready to turn on him.
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u/Brilliant-Ad6137 17d ago
They are going to come after everything they can think of . It's been their plan from the start.
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u/ImpressiveMajor7512 16d ago
US soldiers are already underpaid as it is for what they do. Right now they’re just following orders because things haven’t gotten that bad but once they see how bad things are gonna get, the military will most likely turn against the government or at least a portion will
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u/hotdoginathermos 16d ago
"...and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street..." -George Carlin
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u/NAmember81 16d ago
I seriously believe that seniors & veterans will blame the Dems if takes away their Social Security & veteran benefits.
Once the conservative media machine has all their talking points lined up blaming the Dems, they’ll all fall in line.
I can imagine my Trump supporters I know saying “If Dems hadn’t tanked the economy and ran up the nation’s debt, this wouldn’t have happened!!”
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u/DigitalMindShadow 17d ago
Seems like it would be more strategic to wait until closer to the midterms.
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u/BoomZhakaLaka 17d ago
I know this isn't a serious query but april 20th is when hegseth and noem owe trump reports in which they're expected to recommend invoking the insurrection act. The justification is this "continuing invasion at the southern border" and the insurrection act enables the president to deploy the military domestically as police.
This is the closest thing to martial law in our system.
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u/dragonfliesloveme 17d ago
I don’t mean to belittle the importance of that if it were to happen, but I want to ask what will happen to the stock market if trump invokes the insurrection act?
My future is a bit at stake here
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u/RecentGas 17d ago
Probably tank even more than it has been lately.
My future is at bit at stake here
Everyone's is. We're sadly all along for the ride.
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u/Admirable-Leopard272 17d ago
you should have as little of your wealth as numbers on a computer as you can...thats my advice
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u/BoomZhakaLaka 17d ago edited 17d ago
I don't think this is the particular thing that the markets will react to, but what do I know. The reason I say that is they'll propagandize it so hard, it'll feel like a peacekeeping force deployed to corpus christi and we won't hear much else about it at first.
there's also going to be a retirement crisis going on, soon - that might have a bigger impact, and the one could be a distraction for the other.
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u/Ridiculicious71 16d ago
I don’t know how they can get away with that when governor Abbott is on Fox News saying thanks to Trump only 9 people have crossed the border
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u/ScammerC 17d ago
He's already deploying the marines, apparently.
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u/ferrum_artifex 17d ago edited 16d ago
US Army active troops moving down also. Some just "deployed" to El Paso.
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u/BoomZhakaLaka 17d ago edited 17d ago
There is definitely an undisclosed plan to use the military illegally. We just don't know the scope of that plan or the timing. Heg wouldn't have eviscerated the jag corps otherwise. (edit: reordered because I think I got the order wrong)
I guess it could be the start of this special operation in Mexico that Trump alluded to. We'll have to see.
It could be a test. Could use domestic deployment to purge any officers who would object to unlawful orders, or enlisted who disobey, and also get the public used to military police in our cities. Heg might do everything to make it seem like no big deal, for a little while at least.
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u/OfficialDCShepard 16d ago
A good war with Mexico for no reason will be the perfect distraction from his domestic problems and won’t turn into an expensive disaster, just like how he has bird flu and the economy TOTALLY under control!
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u/sleeplessaddict 17d ago
Last year, Biden disrespected Easter by declaring it the national trans day of visibility (nevermind that it's been a thing since like 2013 and it was just coincidental that it and Easter were the same day last year)
This year, Trump will be declaring Martial Law on Easter to get back at Biden
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u/continuousBaBa 17d ago
This makes the most sense if you're really considering Trump's helpless need for all forms of vengeance, big and small
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u/g_lampa 17d ago
It’s why Tesla lots are burning, I’ll bet.
Inside job, dedicated to giving Trump further excuses for martial law.
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u/HotDonnaC 17d ago
Could be. I’ve only read of one arrest in all the incidents. They’re leaning too hard on “violence from the left” in their narrative.
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u/silver_sofa 16d ago
Not to generalize but I’m guessing the left would be more for painting messages on Teslas. The maga would lean towards breaking glass and starting fires. Maybe I’m biased.
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u/HotDonnaC 16d ago
That tracks, given their behavior during the George Floyd protests when they burned and vandalized to get shit stirred up. Spelling edit.
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u/the_TAOest 16d ago
That was my immediate thought. But these conservatives have me thinking conspiracies are all over nowadays. Where are the camera photos of those that started the fires? There were cameras there right... If not, then this was done by professionals
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u/Jimthalemew 17d ago
For those asking, April 20th is 90 days after he signed his EO for immigration. It gives DHS 90 days to report back.
Presumably the report due on this date will say the sky is falling, and give him authority to use the Insurrection Act of 1807 to declare marital law and suspend elections.
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u/Oldgrazinghorse 17d ago
Most recipients get their SS by the 3rd of the month. It’s at that time, if they’re cut, his hell begins.
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u/Odd_Praline5512 17d ago
That is Easter let him try. He will lose the Christian base. But not the white nationalist Christians.
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u/Right-Belt2896 17d ago
That's not even accounting for the economic fallout of 71.6 million social security beneficiaries suddenly not buying anything/ paying rent/ mortgages because they don't have any money.
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u/Illustrious_Toe_4755 17d ago
That would destroy the economy. And this country will burn
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u/Oldgrazinghorse 17d ago
I’ve already had this conversation with my landlord. I’ve taken out a “$9.95 a month” life insurance policy with him as the beneficiary.
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u/justalilrowdy 16d ago
Was just gonna post the same thing. I’m 72 and on S.S. I dare them to stop it. All hell will break loose.
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u/Then-Barber9352 16d ago
Camera pans the White House:
I envision brightly lit torches with shiny pitchforks. Thick, black tar. Millions of people with angry faces.
Millions of people surrounding the White House and Capitol Police viewing the millions and saying, "I'm outta here. You are on your own."
Oh, and those millions are intelligent enough to know the way to the chambers.
Someone in the crowd starts singing, "Oh say can you see by the dawn's early light" or "America, the Beautiful" or "We shall overcome someday."
Some of the strong men in the crowd have Trump by the arms and are dragging him outside to be hung by the feet.
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u/arjunusmaximus 17d ago
You're naive if you think a similar "militia" won't be gathering to oppose those people. A militia composed of RW idiots who think that any criticism of "gods appointed" is an attack on humanity.
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u/Separate_Heat1256 17d ago
If he eliminates social security payments, that militia will either need to sell their guns to support themselves or spend their time changing grandmothers' diapers.
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u/eatingganesha 17d ago
for real. Here in a Michigan a county that voted 97% for the 🐷 are 72% dependent on SSA/HHS.
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u/SassyXChudail 17d ago
So civil War 2? Sounds like a plan.
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u/TonyWilliams03 17d ago
The civil war that is brewing will not involve the losers driving around their pickup trucks with punisher logos.
The civil war will start when State like Illinois and California tell Trump to fuck off. States that have their own police, military grade weaponry and the resources to stand up to the government.
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u/unshavenbeardo64 17d ago
I'm confident a lot of countries that got bombed to shit by the USA, are not gonna shed a tear
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u/Jimthalemew 17d ago edited 17d ago
Absolutely. Stop it. Show the people that voted for him, what they asked for. Let them eat cat food.
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u/neoikon 17d ago
Call his bluff. Absolutely call him on it.
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u/newalias_samemaleias 17d ago
That's my thought as well. Trump, Musk and the lot of them are bullies, plain and simple. They've only rarely been called out on their bullshit throughout their lives because of their daddies. Though when it does happen, you can almost see them retreat within themselves. Every time someone pushes back on Trump's idiotic decrees, he folds.
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u/WanganTunedKeiCar 17d ago
I agree. There is simply no way caving here will be the better option. But if this entire presidency has been any usually, the people responsible for protecting what's left are going to willingly cave. Again. And again. And again.
If they call trump's bluff, I will be impressed and happy. But I'm not holding my breath.
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u/PM_Me_Ur_Clues 17d ago
So he's holding the money of his own voter base hostage. Yeah, that'll work out. Maybe they'll finally get it through their heads that he doesn't give a shit about any of them.
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u/DestroyedCorpse 17d ago
They won’t.
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u/retro_falcon 16d ago
The admin will just blame Biden and and the democrats and the base will believe it.
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u/arjunusmaximus 17d ago
All they'll think is: "Trump is my saviour, he won't ever hurt me......Ok so his policies are hurting me but he knows what's best for me........its OK, me getting hurt is a good thing."
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u/murder-farts 17d ago
“Oh, please tread on me, daddy.”
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u/TreezusSaves 16d ago
"If I have to die so someone else can be made slightly richer, I gladly give my life to Trump"
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u/latruce 17d ago
It won’t “finally get through” to most of them. They usually get hurt, and find a way to blame anyone and everyone who is against Trump. It’s never Trump. Even when it’s obviously directly Trump, they find a way to not blame Trump. (Example: the guy whose wife got deported and he said he doesn’t regret his vote). Most Republicans are willing to pay more (or lose more) in the name of Trump “fixing America”. I expect someone who voted for him will get fed up and try to “go too far”
It’s sad, but it affects everyone not just his voters.
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u/Mattrad7 17d ago
Nah they'll just keep going with their martyrdom for the will of their god. Him and every other republican has pretty much said we're headed for a recession and shits going to get bad and theyre like "YES TRUMP PLEASE SCREW US ALMIGHTY LORD"
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u/Grand-Leg-1130 17d ago
They won't, my pet hamster has more of a ability for self reflection than they do.
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u/bertrenolds5 17d ago
Unlikely, it's a cult. They will just move the goal posts and say the dems or Biden and Obama took away their social security
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u/Past-Project-7959 16d ago
They will just move the goal posts
Let's hope they move the goal posts off a cliff and a buttload of them go with it.
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u/continuousBaBa 17d ago
My dad draws SS. My mom STILL says to me every week when we are together that she "firmly believes" that Trump is working in our best interests, including thinking that they are only going after criminals for deportation and that all the waste-cutting chaos will benefit them. It's not worth arguing about, and it's sad.
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u/restore_democracy 17d ago
Go for it. I would love to see grannies with their walkers descending on Washington.
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u/jurgo 17d ago
80 year old radical grandpa dont give AF
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u/Jin_Gitaxias 17d ago
Hmm piss off the old dudes who were in Vietnam with nothin left to lose, what could go wrong?
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u/Sitcom_kid 17d ago
One of them needs to beat Trump and Elon with her purse. I just need to see that.
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u/MadamKitsune 17d ago
I'd love to see if, but I think it would also be accompanied by mouthpieces like Fox screaming that if Memaw is fit enough to protest then she's fit enough to work and shouldn't be getting social security so Trump is right.
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u/beavis617 17d ago
The Republicans have been trying to shut down Social Security for many years now. I have no doubt one day they’ll succeed and it might happen sooner rather than later. But when we warn people about it they pushback saying that’s just Trump derangement syndrome…
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u/Connect_Beginning_13 17d ago
It’s wild that people use 'TDS' to describe folks who actually have principles, morals, and values- people who don’t buy into hate, who see that trans rights were just used as a campaign tactic, and who now realize trans lives are being treated unfairly in a country that claims 'liberty and freedom for all.' And yet, these same people don’t fall for the blatant lies Trump and his crew are pushing but they do.
It’s just crazy.
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u/uberares 17d ago
The reality is, their made up “syndrome” just means Trumps Duck Suckers.
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u/murder-farts 17d ago
Ducks do be fine as hell tho…
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u/uberares 17d ago
Lol, stupid phone autocorrect. But ima leave it cuz erryone knows what it means and it’s funny.
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17d ago
One of the people who was trying to make a law against it just had to resign because he was soliciting a minor
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u/Live-Ship-7567 17d ago
I keep saying that my hatred of trump isnt irrational (like that bill that pedo tried to put through in Minnesota said). It's very rational. I have morals and ethics and he is scum.
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u/Lucky-Earther 17d ago
It’s wild that people use 'TDS' to describe folks who actually have principles, morals, and values- people who don’t buy into hate, who see that trans rights were just used as a campaign tactic, and who now realize trans lives are being treated unfairly in a country that claims 'liberty and freedom for all.' And yet, these same people don’t fall for the blatant lies Trump and his crew are pushing but they do.
Many people are saying that TDS is now pedophile code. Accusing others of having TDS lets the other pedophiles know who is on their side.
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17d ago
The orange 💩is the most vile,vindictive, & hateful person to ever sit behind the resolute desk!
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17d ago
Take away his depends. Stop his supply.
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u/ThothAmon71 17d ago
I took part in the "postcard protest" the other day. My wife said instead of mailing postcards we should be ordering him Depends. I had a great few seconds imagining MarALago completely buried in boxes of Depends.
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u/PophamSP 17d ago
As a boomer recipient of social security I just want to say...
BRING IT, ASSHOLE!!!
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u/HarryHood146 17d ago
Fuck it, bring it on. Tired of these fucking losers.
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u/newalias_samemaleias 17d ago
Yep. We give in on his demands and it just gets worse anyway, so why not test him. Then test him again. And again. His head will eventually explode because he's gotten his way his entire life.
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u/mtnman54321 17d ago
The very month that I am scheduled to begin collecting the max after putting into it my entire life. 🖕 both Trump and Musk!
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u/BronxBelle 17d ago
They’re really forgetting what happens when people have nothing left to lose. Can’t buy their life saving medicine, pay their rent/mortgage and have no money for food? May as well take the people responsible down with them. See: Marie Antoinette.
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u/OkayestCommenter 17d ago edited 17d ago
Arrest Elon, freeze his assets, take the billions he owes in taxes and quit fucking subsidizing his businesses with our money. He is a fucking terrorist
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u/MissHibernia 17d ago
Somehow it gets overlooked that there are a lot of social security recipients who did not vote for trump, who are absolutely sick about what he’s doing to this country, who are not on walkers or Depends, and who did work very hard for many years with money yanked out of our paychecks. And who have been through protests and street anarchy before.
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17d ago
Im 46. If they freeze it now without dire consequences, you damn well know it won't come back. I have prepared my whole life to know SS would likely not be there for me unless there was reform. To have it stolen by these feckless assholes is a whole different enchilada.
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u/Biggabaddabooleloo 17d ago
Same. A teacher at my HS school in 1996 told me that social security will not exist for my generation and to plan accordingly. She said that they will get rid of it before I’m eligible. Every time this argument comes up to get rid of it, her words play in my head.
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u/Live-Ship-7567 17d ago
These DOGE assholes are abt to find out that we may be disabled or old but we are far from dead and helpless. We will limp, roll, crawl, and walk in protest. We will have sit ins like we did in the 70s over section 504 of the rehabilitation act. We will fight over this.
I keep saying I can't protest bc I'm worried abt my safety and my kids and my own disabilities but I will organize and take to the streets for this. I worked hard for 20 years. My disability payment is MY MONEY!
I AM LIVID!
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u/LoudImportance 16d ago
I liv on my social security check. I have nothing else. I will take my elderly ass to Washington if I have to beg for the train fare.
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u/Live-Ship-7567 16d ago
I and my 2 children live on my disability check. I'll pick you up on the way.
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u/oldcreaker 17d ago
Holding America's elderly hostage. And not just the elderly - you better start figuring how you're going to help, feed and house your parents if their checks stop.
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u/subsetsum 17d ago
Don't forget those on SSDI who aren't necessarily old.
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u/oldcreaker 17d ago
I'd recommend anyone on SS or SSDI (everyone really but especially them) minimize spending for the foreseeable future. We may be in for a very rough ride.
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u/corpse_carousel 17d ago
A lot of us already don't get enough to survive off of and are disabled (since birth for me) plus dependent on not only SSDI and/or SSI but multiple government programs like section 8, county housing authority etc... yes, I will go raise hell & set DC ablaze if they try to come for my livelihood!
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u/TheInfiniteSlash 17d ago
Social Security is the reason elderly don't live in poverty like the used to before its advent.
Give Boomers some slack for one thing, at least half of them knew better during the election. It's why the only generation to vote in decisively in Trump's favor was Gen-X, the one who made up the largest chunk of the pie in the election.
Wonder how some of them would feel if their Social Security was no longer guaranteed after all of this time spending tax dollars on it, only to vote the guy in who decides it has to go.
Trump is impulsive enough to do something such as try and prohibit it, even if he has no legal authority to do so.
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u/Squral0324 17d ago
But why do they need our personal info?
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u/Steelyeyedmissleman7 17d ago
To steal our money directly from our bank accounts instead of through taxation & spending.
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u/Da_Stable_Genius 17d ago
I'm going with they need it to feed Elon's grok AI but I'm sure for other nefarious reasons as well.
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u/Specialist_End_750 17d ago
According to the tyrant? It won't take starving people long to revolt. French Revolution sound familiar?
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u/TopoftheBog32 17d ago
Go ahead please. Then it’ll be the last election any republican ever wins. They’ll also take to the streets and not in a nice peaceful way either.
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u/runninggrey 17d ago
I’m not so sure it will persuade his supporters… you know, trans people are scary.
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u/VegasGamer75 17d ago
So Elon loves to call Social Security an "Entitlement" to downplay what it really is. Though, in fairness, it is something you are entitled to. You paid into it. It's your money. I really hope, if this happens, people react the same way they would if someone robbed them. Because that's flat out what it will be: robbery.
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u/Rich-Appearance-7145 17d ago
This should be the line in the sand, how in the hell ELON who's demonstrated nothing but evil intentions towards the American people and there Government getting this sensitive information.
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u/Signal-Philosophy271 17d ago
A lot of those people may be old, but they also have lots of guns.
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u/CuriousCatte 17d ago
I live in a 5,000 home retirement community. Probably 90% of us have multiple guns. We even have a Rod & Gun Club that meets regularly for target practice. They really don't want to piss off the Seniors.
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u/FastusModular 17d ago
More than 70 million people get Social Security - and the Great Bastard has made hostages of them all.
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u/Key-Researcher3884 17d ago
This is how much Trump and his followers care about the American people. The Elderly , disabled, Veterans, tax payers and businesses will all suffer if the SSA shuts down. SS benefits are earned by working and paying into the system . It's not the Government's money to withhold . There will be chaos if this ever happens..
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u/Youkolvr89 17d ago
I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but I strongly suspect that neither of those "attempts" on his life were real. Maybe it's just me, but if someone tried to kill me once or twice, I would be doing everything in my power to try and make people happy instead of pissing everyone off.
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u/krichard-21 17d ago
Boomer here. Go for it!
That just might get people off their butts!
Even the MAGA Republicans just might wake up!
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u/Vost570 17d ago
Bullying the vulnerable. That's the only way he knows to get his way. Too dumb to figure out any other way to achieve his goals. Same reason he always failed in business.
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u/sac_cyclist 17d ago
Friends - here is how we got here.. I have a friend on SS I was in his office last week, I sold him my business and was visiting to chat. I asked him if he was worried about his SS beign cutoff. "What are you ytalking about?" he said. I was FLABBERGASTED and had to explain it all to him. Doesn't vote, doesn't watch ANY news and lives in a capsule. I thought he was kidding....
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u/GirlMayXXXX 17d ago
No social security = suicide rates in the US skyrocket
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u/Past-Project-7959 16d ago
You mean murder-suicide rates, right? If Donnie is successful in taking away SS, someone will definitely do something- or at least try VERY hard.
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u/WorldlyAd6826 17d ago
All those poor Americans in red states will feel it the hardest. Trump thinks you are all suckers, and he would be right for once
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u/2lon2dip 17d ago
If you ever wonderd how a country lead by children would look like.... this is it.
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u/HoeImOddyNuff 16d ago
LOL, so, because DOGE can’t have personal data, they are willing to completely fuck over a huge part of their voter base.
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u/JustTheOneGoose22 16d ago
I hope they do it. Ending social security (which all Americans pay into btw) would be the definite spark to get Americans to actually care and vehemently oppose this administration. 70 million Americans collect social security
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u/OhioIsRed 16d ago
Ya know. If they’re gunna call basically anyone that disagrees with them a terrorist, then I think we should call them terrorists too, administrative terrorists. Plain and simple.
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u/ConfusedCrypto10 17d ago
Can’t wait until Trump will actually do this. I’m sure he will feel the wrath even from his hardcore supporters.
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u/reddit4ne 17d ago
This MUST happen. Its the fatest way I can think of to get rid of both of them.
Trump would be assassinated instantly by a WWII vet using a vintage M101 Springfield bolt action rifle. And Musk would be beaten to do death by some 80 year grandma MAGA voter.
In all seriousness, though, I dont understand how any poltician thinks its viable to stop Social Security any time soon. People have paid into social security, its not a handout. They could have just invested that SS tax money that was TAKEN from their paychecks, and probably ended up with way more money than they will ever get back in monthly SS checks that barely cover the costs of rent in the poorest neighborhoods.
Any plan to stop Social Security must include a plan of how to pay back everybody for the money they put into it all these years, with interest included. And they cant do that without bankrupting the U.S. government so, they cant do that.
If they wanna phase it out it has to been done slowly, with buyouts for those already invested, and it must also cease to be mandatory. Otherwise, it would just be an example of outright robbery by the government. And thats the kind of thing thats almost guaranteed to end Qaddafi-style, straight up.
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u/FinancialAide3383 17d ago
I dare them to- will be the biggest political mistake in the history of political mistakes
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u/PM_Me_Ur_Clues 17d ago
If he loses Congress, he'll have s much harder time going forward.
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u/Drakar_och_demoner 17d ago
Do it. Call their bluff.
Millions of poor people that can't feed themselves, that will work out great.
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u/Creative_Rip_4189 17d ago
What the fuck is wrong with him? Why does he need our personal information? Sounds a little suspicious.
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u/Fireinmyplace 16d ago
This makes me mad 😡. So many people were saying g they are not going to cut social security but here we are.
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u/Melodic-Ad7271 16d ago
He doesn't have the legal authority to do these things. Congress never approved DOGE or the cuts.
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u/carl6236 16d ago
Trump does not have authority to end social security. It was enacted by congress and only congress can end social security
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u/Utterlybored 17d ago
This administration has been wet humping third rails since Jan 20th. Not sure this would be as cataclysmic to MAGA as it should be.
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u/Illustrious-Hand3715 17d ago
His old supporters are gonna be mad. I wonder if they’ll crash out on the White House lawn
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u/Ok_Rutabaga_722 17d ago
Steal one. Steal the other. He'll Steal anything not nailed down. None of it is his to take.
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u/KYRivianMan 17d ago
I say go ahead do it now…. I think it will finally get people to face reality and demand for Trump admin removal.
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u/GyspySyx 17d ago edited 17d ago
I'd love to see the thief try. We have crutches, canes, walkers, and oxygen tanks and nothing left to lose.
Stop payments sure, but give me back every fucking penny.
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