[Marvel Studios]: It all leads to Doom.

[u/Soft-Comfort-7474]

[u/valarpizzaeris]

I feel like DOOM is gonna wipe out like 90% of that cast lol and then Secret Wars can feature the rest who were unannounced in this reveal

[u/ChemicalExperiment → u/valarpizzaeris]

Oh dang wait, you're right. This entire list is characters who are expendable. The Thunderbolts cast and X-men have already had multiple movies and will probably be taken out. Thor and Loki have had their stories told despite their popularity and will probably get one more reunion before dying. Shuri might die to make way for T'Challa Jr.

It honestly wouldn't surprise me if the Fantastic 4, Cap, and Shang-Chi are the only ones to make it out of the movie alive.

[u/Sweet-Sale-7303 → u/ChemicalExperiment]

How good the loki series did no way they take loki out.

[u/SteveBob316 → u/Sweet-Sale-7303]

They've taken him out before. They can do it again.

[u/AquaeyesTardis → u/SteveBob316]

isnt he uh

kinda a loadbearing part of the multiverse now

[u/shiromancer → u/AquaeyesTardis]

This is my favourite description of post-show Loki now lmao Do you think the TVA put up yellow warning stickers around him like 'do not move'

[u/-metaphased- → u/AquaeyesTardis]

So Doom taking him out and causing Battleworld makes sense.

[u/onqqq2 → u/-metaphased-]

I wouldn't mind a reversal of the IW intro scene with Thor and Loki losing to Thanos. Loki dies, Thor lives. I think it would be interesting to have Thor in a position trying to defend his brother and the multiverse, Loki tries to do the great selfless act again, and Thor steps in his place possibly killing him... or worse... This scene should not be at the beginning of the movie but rather the end... Before Doom wins anyways.

[u/Shoki81 → u/-metaphased-]

Heck Loki might be MCU's molecule man

[u/ehsteve23 → u/Shoki81]

i'd say thats quite likely

[u/johnatello67 → u/AquaeyesTardis]

My current running theory is that Loki will play a similar role to to Molecule Man in the newer Secret Wars run. He will be captured by Doom and his power will be used to control and create Battleworld. Freeing him will be a crucial part of undoing Doom's plan

[u/xAragon_ → u/AquaeyesTardis]

Could be a different Loki.
Don't forget that the one you're referring to is actually from another universe.

[u/BUTTES_AND_DONGUES → u/xAragon_]

Can’t be a different Loki. In S2 he made himself a Nexus being.

[u/WizzoPQ → u/BUTTES_AND_DONGUES]

Sylvie is another Loki

[u/actuallycallie → u/xAragon_]

since no one from the TVA side was mentioned, I wonder if the Loki in Doomsday is a different variant than the one holding the multiverse together.

[u/emeraldeyesshine → u/AquaeyesTardis]

I'm calling him being what molecule man was for the newer comic of secret wars

[u/Khanfhan69 → u/ChemicalExperiment]

I feel like God of Stories Loki is gonna get the Worf treatment. We're going to see Doom just waltz into the uh... Center of Time??? Or whatever it is and pretty damn easily take over.

[u/Eastw1ndz → u/ChemicalExperiment]

is there any reason in particular you think Shang-Chi's making it out?

[u/RelevantUsername56 → u/Eastw1ndz]

Shang-chi 2 has already been announced

[u/ShierAwesome → u/RelevantUsername56]

It has? Didn’t know it officially was confirmed, now I’m hyped again

[u/MayweatherSr → u/RelevantUsername56]

black widow movie came out after her death in endgame. But yeah, shangchi is gonna survive this avenger movie. No way they gonna do another origin movie for him

[u/ChemicalExperiment → u/Eastw1ndz]

Mostly just personal hope. I love him and he's a very popular character amongst the new heroes they've introduced. I think there's a lot more stories to tell with him unlike a lot of the legacy characters on the list. (Plus as others have said there have been rumors of a sequel already)

[u/runningstang → u/Eastw1ndz]

There's rumor that there's a sequel in the works.

[u/brendamn → u/Eastw1ndz]

He's a popular Asian character

[u/LeRoiDeNord → u/brendamn]

Unfortunately he's Canadian so he'll simply be annexed to begin the film

[u/Humpetz → u/ChemicalExperiment]

I'm gonna be so pissed if Xavier dies again

[u/OmnipotentHype → u/Humpetz]

I think he will along with Magneto. Patrick Stewart and Ian Mckellen are both in their mid 80's now.

[u/kaychyakay → u/OmnipotentHype]

Well, since Disney will all be making them do till they're 90, both of them still have around half a decade, so 1 or 2 more superhero films in them.

[u/TheTransJonkler → u/ChemicalExperiment]

Fridging is lazy and everyone hates it. I doubt it. The expendable ones will be the characters that weren't announced, and maybe Red Guardian.

[u/More-Possession-1096 → u/valarpizzaeris]

He already did, all the seats are empty except for dr doom. It's right under our nose.

[u/TheSevenDots → u/More-Possession-1096]

Let this man cook.

[u/TheTransJonkler → u/More-Possession-1096]

RDJ just killed everybody. Film's cancelled

[u/wussell_88 → u/More-Possession-1096]

What do you mean by this?

[u/DougTheHead33 → u/wussell_88]

The picture is foreshadowing. Think of the empty chairs like tombstones

[u/wussell_88 → u/DougTheHead33]

Ah very true yes!

[u/Moshiiiiipop → u/More-Possession-1096]

[u/CeruleanEidolon → u/valarpizzaeris]

I definitely think the X-Men are getting killed in order to make way for them to re-emerge with younger variants. Interesting too that Teyonah Parris isn't here but Kelsey Grammer is, considering we last saw their two characters together. No Marvels at all, or Young Avengers, or any Guardians.

It's a good bet that Doom will be fracturing them into teams for the purposes of pitting them against each other, and we'll see the Young Avengers, the Guardians, and the Marvels in the stinger at the end. Maybe even the Defenders. A man can hope.

[u/NihlusKryik → u/valarpizzaeris]

Earth-10005 is gonna get wiped to show the stakes

[u/your_mind_aches → u/NihlusKryik]

Not all of em. Probably Beast, Mystique, Magneto, and Professor X (again). But I bet Scott survives so he can team up with Worst Wolverine in Secret Wars

[u/TrapperJean → u/your_mind_aches]

Omg I didnt realize how bad I wanted this until right now. Throw in a budding bromance that Wade gets jealous of

[u/your_mind_aches → u/TrapperJean]

It'd be great because this version of Scott we know had a testy relationship with Wolverine before he died, and Worst Wolverine was a jerk to his Scott before he died. So they'd probably both find it an opportunity to connect

[u/CeruleanEidolon → u/your_mind_aches]

I don't think any of the X-Men will survive both films. Maybe Logan, but even him I would put odds on them wanting to reboot when they bring the mutants into the MCU for good.

[u/Sharktopotopus_Prime → u/CeruleanEidolon]

I am nearly 100% certain that after Secret Wars, the entire X-Men roster will get rebooted. These are our Multiversal X-Men. The MCU X-Men need a fresh start once all the multiverse stories run their course.

[u/Adventurous-Stuff-82 → u/valarpizzaeris]

It be to much of a repeat of what they did in Infinity War. My idea is that the heroes are trying to stop Doom from taking advantage of an Incursion to rewrite all of the multiverse which is how we get the X-Men involved. They initially fail but later on around the climax in the fight with Doom we end up realizing that Dooms actions have attracted the Beyonder who has them set up for an even greater battle

[u/goodmobileyes → u/valarpizzaeris]

Yea I dont see any of the OG Xmen surviving for sure. Maybe Gambit cos its pretty sad for Channing Tatum lol.

[u/WhiteAndNerdy85 → u/valarpizzaeris]

lol I mean Hollywood reuses the same formula over and over. Doom amasses power, heroes fight him, most of them die, next film is the rematch.

Where have we seen that before. 🤔

[u/EfficaciousJoculator → u/WhiteAndNerdy85]

Over and over? Infinity War was unprecedented.

[u/Dirks_Knee → u/WhiteAndNerdy85]

I feel pretty confident the inclusion of Stewart, McKellen, and several other original X-Men cast is specifically to kill them off and have them stay dead as multiverse/alternate versions of those characters without longer term consequence for the MCU.

[u/WhiteAndNerdy85 → u/Dirks_Knee]

How many Xavier death’s would this make for Patrick? Four?

Point is, he doesn’t stay dead. lol

Until the actor dies himself but even then, AI allows them to “live” forever.

[u/Dirks_Knee → u/WhiteAndNerdy85]

Well right. The point of him staying dead is he's 84. I seriously doubt they would create an AI version of him for future MCU movies. They really need a to do a clean reboot of X-Men from scratch at some point.

[u/RelevantUsername56 → u/Dirks_Knee]

Best comment in here.

My first thought was "Oh good. They're carting out the corpses of Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen for this." Followed by "Please God, just give them a proper send off."

[u/RubiconPizzaDelivery → u/RelevantUsername56]

My biggest fear for them is one of them dies mid production.

[u/Deutsch__Dingler → u/Dirks_Knee]

Mark Strong would be a great replacement.

[u/MikahGee → u/Dirks_Knee]

Half the cast being XMEN, i doubt theyre just gonna expend them all like Days of Future Past.

I had commented earlier I'd like to see XMEN VS AVENGERS adapted... some people said that might actually be possible if the plot is a multiversal war and i could see that being the main draw/trailer and marketing to avoid spoiling the real surprises/other plotlines.

[u/NihlusKryik → u/WhiteAndNerdy85]

These aren’t coming back

[u/Ikitenashi → u/NihlusKryik]

I hope so. I want the stakes to be higher than ever.

[u/Llamarchy]

I think they're keeping some names hidden. I mean sure its possible that characters like Wanda, Deadpool, Wolverine, Daredevil, etc. might be saved for Secret Wars but some of the omissions are too unlikely.

No Doctor Strange? No Spider-Man? No Captain Marvel? No Hulk?

[u/Greedy_Switch_6991 → u/Llamarchy]

Not even Monica Rambeau or the variant of her mother. And they're both in the Fox X-Men universe!

[u/ohheyjoshay → u/Greedy_Switch_6991]

yeah Monica was the biggest omission for me, I thought they would mention her soon after Beast

[u/VeryScaryTerryBerry → u/Greedy_Switch_6991]

Yeah, Carol, Wong, and Bruce not being there is glaring (they're the only Avengers affiliated people Shang-Chi knows too!).

Once the Russos came back and the script got rewritten for Doom they probably just downplayed the events of The Marvels and hoped people just forgot about it like Secret Invasion.

[u/Better_Edge_ → u/VeryScaryTerryBerry]

I think this casting makes The Marvels more important.

[u/VeryScaryTerryBerry → u/Better_Edge_]

In theory it should be but no Photon or Captain Marvel there while the Fox-Men are makes me think somethings got written out once the Russos came back. Carol is one of the most powerful people in the MCU, she should be there to fight Doom.

[u/jhsounds → u/VeryScaryTerryBerry]

"Danvers, we need an assist here."

[u/Adorable_Ad_3478 → u/Better_Edge_]

There is literally 0 indication that the Earth at the end of The Marvels is the OG Foxverse Earth.

It could have been just a similar Earth. A similar case to 818 which had Patrick Stewart Prof X but he wasn't the same Foxverse Prof X. Who is to say that The Beast from The Marvels wasn't a similar case?

[u/Better_Edge_ → u/Adorable_Ad_3478]

We have no reason to believe it isn't the same. Either way, it's ose enough .

[u/hottublawyer → u/Adorable_Ad_3478]

Also considering the music for Patrick Stewart was X-Men 97 wasn’t it?

[u/Worthyness → u/VeryScaryTerryBerry]

And the real key player- Madysinn.

[u/RelevantUsername56 → u/Worthyness]

Madisynn*

Remember, that 'y' is not where you thiiiiiink

[u/Powersoutdotcom → u/RelevantUsername56]

Fucking landed that finisher. Bravo.

[u/Adorable_Ad_3478 → u/Greedy_Switch_6991]

It would be hella dark if the film opens midway with Doom invading the Foxverse Earth. With the skeletons of Monica, her mom, and the X-Men actors who didn't return for Doomsday.

Not saying it should happen but it could happen. What better way to set up Doom than to take down Cyclops, Magneto, Prof X, etc...?

[u/Greedy_Switch_6991 → u/Adorable_Ad_3478]

Too similar to Infinity War, for one.

[u/Adorable_Ad_3478 → u/Greedy_Switch_6991]

That happened at the end of IW. This would happen in the first 10 mins and then get progressively hopeless.

All from the POV of Doom.

[u/neeesus → u/Adorable_Ad_3478]

Thanos and the black order took down all of what was left of Asgard.

[u/[deleted] → u/Llamarchy]

My theory is that the cast revealed today is the cast they wanted to announce ahead so they can appear in the marketing/trailers/posters leading up to the film.

Characters who seem like they should be here but are suspiciously absent, like Dr. Strange, Wong, Hulk, Carol, and Rhodey, are being kept secret because they’ve formed The Illuminati, and one of the plot twists is that they’ve been operating in secret going around killing other Earths to stop Incursions from destroying 616, which gives the X-Men probable cause to go to war with our Avengers.

Spider-Man, I think, should get the Ant-Man and The Wasp treatment since his next movie is only coming 2 months after Doomsday. And it’s better to establish Peter’s new status quo before he jumps into another Avengers crossover where he probably won’t get much time for development. Save whatever emotional confrontation he has with RDJ Doom for Secret Wars.

[u/Llamarchy → u/[deleted]]

Honestly I've been thinking about the idea of the missing characters being most of the main characters in Secret Wars, but I also really like this theory.

[u/walartjaegers → u/[deleted]]

Good ideas all around. It's weird to think about some of those characters killing other Earths though. Would Banner really be part of that?

[u/CeruleanEidolon → u/walartjaegers]

It's funny, I can see the others going along with it, as the pragmatists, but Banner is more emotionally driven, so it would take something pretty awful for him to tip over to their side. Maybe Sakar is the site of an attempted incursion and his son Skar gets killed along with ilthe rest of the planet. That might do it.

[u/ZanyZeke → u/walartjaegers]

I’ve been wondering about that, tbh. The idea of our MCU heroes straight-up mercing other Earths to protect their own seems a little too dark for the MCU, but who knows

[u/BlueShirtMac19 → u/[deleted]]

What’s with the bug avengers getting left out of the first part of the movies 🤣

[u/Joshawott27 → u/Llamarchy]

I think these are the actors who are likely to be spotted on set in the coming weeks. Others may have prior commitments that mean they’ll be joining later

[u/Llamarchy → u/Joshawott27]

Probably. Maybe they think that these characters are gonna be on more sets and locations and are going to be more likely to leak during filming. We know Tom Holland is in The Odyssey so he might be doing primarily a voice role in Doomsday so he's less likely to be leaked

[u/ubutterscotchpine → u/Llamarchy]

This is what surprised me too. They’re missing a lot of the characters from recent films for some reason. Having no Captain Marvel or Doctor Strange would be really silly and I’m tired of characters that SHOULD be there just absent for no realistic reason lol

[u/VeryScaryTerryBerry → u/ubutterscotchpine]

Strange is hopping around the multiverse with Clea; you can explain him being missing but Wong should be there.

[u/CeruleanEidolon → u/VeryScaryTerryBerry]

And America Chavez, especially if there is multiversal shit going down.

[u/IdungiveAF → u/ubutterscotchpine]

Dr. Strange is probably busy dealing with Dormammu and Clea during Doomsday.

[u/ernie-jo → u/Llamarchy]

I will literally die if Daredevil makes it to an Avengers movie. 😭

[u/CeruleanEidolon → u/ernie-jo]

All I want is ten minutes of him and the other Defenders along with Spidey keeping civilians safe in Secret Wars.

[u/jv3rl0ov → u/CeruleanEidolon]

Throw the other 2 Spidermen in there and I’d die

[u/Left_Maize816 → u/ernie-jo]

“I don’t think you guys need a really good lawyer for this. “

[u/ernie-jo → u/Left_Maize816]

How do you stop a villain too strong to beat? With the legal system. 😎 Doom is going to jail!

[u/marvelscott → u/ernie-jo]

Matthew Murdock, can absolutely flirt his way into defeating Doom.

[u/cowpool20 → u/Llamarchy]

Definitely a few names still to be announced/kept secret. But I also wonder if the case for Doomsday is gonna be smaller than we expected.

[u/SebasH2O → u/cowpool20]

smaller still being pretty big considering the amount of chairs in this picture

[u/GoldenLink → u/Llamarchy]

So real talk, where is Photon?

[u/metalmankam → u/Llamarchy]

Spidey and Strange will likely be up to something else that we see in Spidey 4 since it comes out right after Doomsday. Hulk tho I got nothing. Maybe there will be a project prior to Doomsday that deals with the concept art that leaked, and we get a hulk story with him and his son and She-Hulk

[u/Schedonnardus → u/Llamarchy]

Where is Madisynn?

[u/chocomeeel → u/Schedonnardus]

Not where you thiiiiiink.

[u/mojizus → u/Llamarchy]

Elizabeth Olsen is one of the most talented actors in the MCU, IMO. It would be a travesty not to use the multiverse shenanigans to get her back on screen. I wouldn’t even mind, it gives them a chance to redeem the character after MoM.

[u/PLZ_N_THKS → u/Llamarchy]

This could also be just the top billing. Plenty of others may show up, but I. Less important roles.

It’s clear that the roster is going to be the new Avengers team and the original X-Men.

Anyone else will just be support.

[u/danbobsicle → u/PLZ_N_THKS]

Anyone else will just be support.

But The Thing is a tank, not support

[u/Lord_Stabbington → u/Llamarchy]

Of course they’re gonna hold back the surprises

[u/MisterTheKid]

awfully sporting of rdj to hang around for 5 hours before his part of this promo /s

[u/EfficaciousJoculator → u/MisterTheKid]

The reveal was meant to be two minutes, but RDJ's flight was late, so they just slowed down the camera till he got there.

[u/Antrikshy → u/EfficaciousJoculator]

These programmable robot arm cameras are such a blessing.

[u/ACEof52 → u/Antrikshy]

Bro it was a dude who didnt know how to unlock a rig properly everytime you just hear a muffled click

[u/Okichah]

RDJ pointing at a giant pile of cash.

Imagine having a job for 3-4 years and making $100M.

[u/Ikitenashi → u/Okichah]

Threatening the multiverse takes a lot of effort, man.

[u/Greedy_Switch_6991 → u/Ikitenashi]

But it does put a smile on one's face.

[u/nikhil48 → u/Ikitenashi]

I know, even Thanos didn't work for free. He got 6 diamonds or some shit in return...

[u/UnnecessaryPuns → u/Okichah]

Basically the amount some of the best NBA players make

[u/NegotiationLate8553 → u/Okichah]

Marvel Studios hitting the panic button and coughing up 185 million dollars just for RDJ and the Russos might just go down as the biggest reactionary gamble in filmmaking.

[u/CPOx]

[u/ChemicalExperiment → u/CPOx]

Yeah no one can read those names even zoomed in lol. OP needed a higher quality image.

[u/scooter-411 → u/ChemicalExperiment]

• ⁠Chris Hemsworth - Thor

• ⁠Vanessa Kirby - Sue Storm

• ⁠Anthony Mackie - Captain America (Sam Wilson)

• ⁠Sebastian Stan - Bucky

• ⁠Letitia Wright - Black Panther (Shuri)

• ⁠Paul Rudd - Ant-Man

• ⁠Wyatt Russell - US Agent

• ⁠Tenoch Huerta Mejia - Namor

• ⁠Ebon Moss-Bachrach - Ben Grimm

• ⁠Simu Liu - Shang-Chi “Shaun”

• ⁠Florence Pugh - Yelena Belova

• ⁠Kelsey Grammer - Beast

• ⁠Lewis Pullman - “Bob”

• ⁠Danny Ramirez - Falcon (Joaquin Torres)

• ⁠Joseph Quinn - Johnny Storm

• ⁠David Harbour - Red Guardian

• ⁠Winston Duke - M’Baku

• ⁠Hannah John Kamen - Ghost

• ⁠Tom Hiddleston - Loki

• ⁠Patrick Stewart - Charles Xavier

• ⁠Ian McKellen - Magneto

• ⁠Alan Cumming - Nightcrawler

• ⁠Rebecca Romijn - Mystique

• ⁠James Marsden - Cyclops

• ⁠Channing Tatum - Gambit

• ⁠Pedro Pascal - Reed Richards

• Robert Downey Jr. - Dr. Doom

[u/BanjoSpaceMan → u/scooter-411]

Holy shit Channing finally manifested Gambit, and not what seems to just be a one off joke…

[u/ns_wayne → u/BanjoSpaceMan]

Woooheisgonnamakeanameforhimself

[u/atmospheric90 → u/ns_wayne]

You know how long we all been waiting for dis???

[u/al_ien5000 → u/scooter-411]

How is Teyonah Parris not in this, but Kelsey Grammar is?

[u/Minnesotexan → u/al_ien5000]

That is weird, considering they’re in the same universe. But it looks like none of the Marvels are in this one. Maybe they’ll be a big plot point with Dr Strange, America Chavez, Deadpool, and Wolverine in the next one? I was really hoping for Halle Barry to come back with the gang.

[u/Sharktopotopus_Prime → u/al_ien5000]

This isn't the full cast. This is just the initial announcement. More secrets will be revealed in the trailers, and even more will be waiting to be revealed in the movie itself. This is Feige and the Russos running the show; it ain't their first rodeo. Have faith that they're cooking up something special.

[u/whosafraidofthebbw → u/scooter-411]

Somehow I wasn't expecting to see ⁠Namor back! ⁠Tenoch Huerta Mejia is a beautiful thick man and I'm here for it.

[u/DudesTime → u/whosafraidofthebbw]

Namor bulge confirmed

[u/M0BBER → u/scooter-411]

Just think about the names they're not telling us...

You think wolverine's going to sit this out? Deadpool?

I'm sad we're not getting Jean Gray & storm confirmation...

No spider man?

[u/idiot-prodigy → u/M0BBER]

I fully expect Wolverine to fight Hulk in this one.

[u/TheMtnThatReddits → u/ChemicalExperiment]

It was on the live stream

[u/ChemicalExperiment → u/TheMtnThatReddits]

Yep, saw it on the other thread. Just complaining about how this image doesn't give that information when it's clearly trying to.

[u/Torrrs]

Big chair for Paul Rudd. Giant man confirmed

[u/MLPRoyalty → u/Torrrs]

That’s a regular sized chair, so it only stands to reason that Rudd will be playing a regular-sized man

[u/frogskin92 → u/MLPRoyalty]

Man-man if you will

[u/adder__ → u/MLPRoyalty]

Regular-sized Rudy seen huffing his inhaler in approval

[u/BValen7ine → u/Torrrs]

During the livestream they had a tiny chair for Paul Rudd

[u/CaptParzival]

Alright so we got the Thunderbolts, but most of Mackie's Avengers are missing. Strange, Hulk, Captain Marvel, even Hawkeye. All the streetlevel heroes are absent. I expect Wanda to be the Molecule Man of the story so keeping her secret makes sense.

Regardless, it seems Sam will be leading Thor, Antman, Shang Chi, Black Panther, Namor, and Falcon alongside The Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four to face off against an alternate X-Men while Doom lays the stage for Secret Wars

[u/Leafygoodnis → u/CaptParzival]

wouldn't Loki make sense as the Molecule Man of the story? I suppose he also fits for the Beyonder but I feel like they'll want to keep him around vs. killing him immediately.

Although that would be funny/sad to see Loki get murked again in the opening scene of another Avengers 2-parter

[u/DefNotAShark → u/Leafygoodnis]

Unfortunately this movie seems most likely to be about the collapse of the multiverse, and Loki is the one holding the multiverse together. It follows that something catastrophic may have to happen to him in order to launch the plot. I don't think he will die again though. It isn't necessary.

[u/Leafygoodnis → u/DefNotAShark]

Absolutely, no matter what he's gonna have a rough time. I could see them combining the roles and simply have Doom imprison him to take his power, mixing both Beyonder and MM together. Thor finding a chained up god-of-stories Loki under Castle Doom would be so fuckin good

[u/nihilisticdaydreams → u/CaptParzival]

I think Loki will be the molecule man

[u/CaptParzival → u/nihilisticdaydreams]

I see Loki coming in at the end to form the Secret Wars avengers. Kinda a reversal from being the villain who assembled the avenger to the hero. Wanda's reality warping powers fit the world building ability too

[u/actuallycallie → u/CaptParzival]

I see Loki coming in at the end to form the Secret Wars avengers. Kinda a reversal from being the villain who assembled the avenger to the hero.

I love this.

[u/DefNotAShark → u/CaptParzival]

I don't think this will be Avengers vs X-Men. I think the story will weave through multiple universes as incursions begin to tear reality apart. Perhaps 616 is colliding with the FoX-Men universe. Maybe Fantastic 4 ends with their universe colliding with 616 or another one and that's how they end up in this movie. And it leads to unlikely team-ups while they try to fix it.

Like basically I think this movie is gonna be what everyone wanted Multiverse of Madness to be.

[u/Sharktopotopus_Prime → u/CaptParzival]

This is just the initial cast announcement to drum up hype. It's not a comprehensive list of all characters in the movie. There will undoubtedly be more secrets revealed in the trailers, and even more held back for the movie itself. Hell, Doom needs some allies...can't have him holding it down solo against a few dozen heroes, with nothing but his Doombots.

Think back to Infinity War and Endgame; there were plenty of castings and characters that they kept secret, for both movies.

[u/ssjskwash]

Is there a higher resolution version of this? I can't read shit

[u/Iwasborntostare → u/ssjskwash]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHrQ2OYvdgg/?img_index=6&igsh=N2dlMWxsdndlaXhx

[u/ssjskwash → u/Iwasborntostare]

Thank you

[u/SeanO54]

I’m looking at this positively.

If this is everyone cool, a smaller cast than I imagined but that means more time to develop the plot.

If this isn’t everyone then I am excited for the surprises and glad that they don’t need to tell us everything beforehand.

[u/radclaw1 → u/SeanO54]

Small cast?? Its fucking massive 

[u/SeanO54 → u/radclaw1]

It’s missing some big names I mean: Hawkeye, Hulk, Captain Marvel, Spider-Man, Deadpool, Wolverine, Doctor Strange, etc.

[u/your_mind_aches → u/SeanO54]

I think the X-Men team is gonna be who's at the X-Mansion at the time. I think Worst Wolverine and Laura are living in Wade's unnamed city.

[u/willmlina51 → u/radclaw1]

[u/Korypal]

I spot a moon hanging on the wall on the left 👀

[u/ernie-jo]

This is literally incredible what on earth are people upset about!?

[u/Temporary-Body-3099 → u/ernie-jo]

I mean there is a severe lack of any established characters, no Strange, Wanda, Spidey, Carol is diabolical

[u/FoxyMiira → u/Temporary-Body-3099]

Obviously they'll be in Secret Wars. Spiderman 4 movie coming out. Strange has his 3rd movie in development. Wanda might appear in Vision Quest

[u/ernie-jo → u/Temporary-Body-3099]

If you think Marvel is going to just TELL us every single character and plot point that is in this movie you're delusional haha.

[u/biggestbaddestmucus → u/Temporary-Body-3099]

It it might show restraint on their part. Assuming this is the main cast. Instead of cramming in everyone .

[u/SteveBob316 → u/ernie-jo]

They're more interested in trying to outguess Marvel than enjoy the ride.

It's similar to the way conspiracy theorists behave, they're not interested in evidence, they want the game. Only unlike real world conspiracies this is pretty much harmless.

[u/AS-46]

I need pictures of Spider-Man!

[u/StrategicBlenderBall → u/AS-46]

Chill out JJ.

[u/Iron_Kingpin]

Isn't that way too less tho, like what happened to the others? Most of the guys are just people from other universes.

[u/lkodl → u/Iron_Kingpin]

They're all from the original Fox universe. I'm guessing this might be where the third act takes place, and Doom destroys it or something, and a select few survive to Battle World or maybe they all die and DP & Wolverine are the only survivors who were conveniently in another world universe at the time.

[u/ubutterscotchpine → u/lkodl]

Not all. I mean, Loki, Thor, the Black Panther cast.

[u/Warm_Veterinarian803]

At this point, with the cast they’ve assembled, this movie is on track to pull Wolverine & Deadpool-level numbers at the box office — maybe even exceed it. But more than anything, I’m really hoping for a solid script. I want everything to feel earned and for the story to justify why it needs to be told. It should be satisfying while also raising the stakes. With RDJ as Doom, I fully expect him to stack a lot of bodies.

[u/Playfair99999]

It'd be hilarious if these all are the characters that doom kills in Doomsday and this is like a foreshadowing cuz the way they say it all leads to doom... And the rest of people who aren't mentioned, will have to fight him on battle world.

[u/actuallycallie → u/Playfair99999]

they're gonna set up a new fantastic four and then immediately kill them off?

[u/mosenco]

but where is white vision tho

[u/sayshoe]

Why Paul Rudd chair not tiny?

[u/RiverJumper84 → u/sayshoe]

It was when they first showed it in the stream.

[u/Squirrelkid11 → u/sayshoe]

They CGI'd it.

[u/SteveBob316 → u/sayshoe]

Sometimes he's regular-sized man

[u/InhumanParadox]

Some of the omissions don't shock me. The Young Avengers characters probably won't be in Doomsday and will instead jump from the Champions series to Secret Wars. Tom Holland is busy filming The Odyssey all across the Mediterranean and can't really keep going to the UK during that shoot.

But the lack of Brie Larson here kinda rubs me the wrong way, like Disney is mandating her character be reduced after The Marvels. They did it to KMT after The Last Jedi after all.

[u/Caleb902 → u/InhumanParadox]

Capt Marvel is orders of magnitude more important than rose was.

[u/EtherealDimension → u/InhumanParadox]

i mean, you can't act like the lack of Captain Marvel is because of her last movie when they also didn't include Spider-Man, Hulk, and Doctor Strange. it's clear they are just saving some of the heavy hitters for later

[u/InhumanParadox → u/EtherealDimension]

Doctor Strange was always being saved for Secret Wars iirc, since Doctor Strange 3 was supposed to be happening simultaneously to Kang Dynasty.

Tom Holland is too busy with The Odyssey to do Doomsday, and Spider-Man 4 will likely take place around the same time.

Hulk might be a case of Disney politics going on. I forget just how much leeway this subreddit gives with political discussion, so let's just say Mark Ruffalo is very outspoken in support of a cause that Disney leadership has clearly been very against and is blatantly scapegoating the new Snow White movie's poor performance on the lead actress' support of the same cause.

[u/GoldenLink → u/InhumanParadox]

Brie, Iman, and Teyonnah have to be in this movie (or the first two will end up in Secret Wars unless Kamala is literally doing young avengers this entire time, idk). It would make absolutely no sense for Photon to wake up with Kelsey Grammar Beast and then not be in this movie. I imagine a lot of the supporting cast and surprises amount to maybe a third of the cast being omitted from the Livestream.

[u/theCourtofJames]

If you think of Avengers films as a culmination for character arcs and storylines from the past couple phases, then this was a TERRIBLE casting announcement.

[u/TheTransJonkler → u/theCourtofJames]

Isn't this meant to act like the Avengers 1 for the new main characters? (F4, Thunderbolts)

[u/nihilisticdaydreams → u/theCourtofJames]

Yeah i know. I wish they would've cut some of the og xmen to have stories we've been watching instead. And most young puerile don't know about the og xmen. Drive just had an attachment to them because they were the first comic films he worked on. That's my take.

[u/CorneliusCardew]

I wish they would have cast new x-men so we could escape the green screen cameo hell that was the multiverse saga.

[u/ReverendBlind → u/CorneliusCardew]

I'm sure the old X-Men will just be in it for an incursion event or something.

[u/CorneliusCardew → u/ReverendBlind]

I look forward to watching a bunch of elderly actors killed by dr doom on a soundstage in Georgia.

[u/LeonSnakeKennedy → u/CorneliusCardew]

Do you just enjoy the misery or something?

[u/phemom]

What I find interesting about this group is that there is a lot of gung ho, fight first talk later types.

Unless the Professor or Reed are introduced and people start listening to them in the beginning....the good guys are getting wrecked.

Who's the people the good guys will listen to when shit hits the fan?

I don't think this is a bad thing tho, as we should see some leaders emerge in a way the past phases didn't have.

They'll probably fail...but the character development should be fun to see.

[u/MosquitoValentine_]

[u/Deep_Throattt]

What if this is some fore shadowing?

[u/runningstang → u/Deep_Throattt]

If it's anything like The Suicide Squad opening, it will be next level shocking if half are just wiped in the first few minutes to build up Doom.

[u/Dongkey_kong → u/runningstang]

I’d be here for that. The cast reveal for the first 15 mins of the movie!

[u/PleaseRecharge → u/runningstang]

Ah, a decimation. It is an Avengers film after all, which at least saves us Thor and Sam.

[u/Funky_Sammer6go]

Okay first of all, what the hell?!; secondly i know we have thousands of questions regarding some characters we were expecting but we didn't get.

I just wanna say I think they have gotten it planned, remember I've been saying this is a 4 part movie event - Doomsday, Spidey 4, untitled movie, Secret Wars. Perhaps now a champions series also.

So let's wait patiently. Cheers!!!

[u/Tyrone3105 → u/Funky_Sammer6go]

? I haven’t been keepigg my up recently but what does spidery 4 have to do with this?

[u/topatoman_lite → u/Tyrone3105]

It's coming out in between the two Avengers movies along with another unannounced movie, so presumably those 2 will be important in similar ways to how Ant Man 2 and Captain Marvel were

[u/WOODYBuRNER]

There will be either a part 2 of the reveal some day,or they will spoil bit by bit. Wanda will surely be alive since she is a must for doom to create battleworld.

[u/Ok_Dragonfly3269]

Didn’t Benedict say he was going to be in it? Perhaps I imagined it. Was surprised not to see Dr Strange listed. You’d think they’d include ALL the vet characters given the major losses from Endgame.

[u/riegspsych325]

they should have replaced Paul Rudd’s chair with a giant one for this photo

[u/i-m-on-reddit]

Where the small antman chair?

[u/metalmankam]

I'm just excited to see Gambit with the full X-Men team

[u/videogamer128]

Interesting that they're using some of the OG X-Men even though Professor X and Mystique are dead in the new timeline. I guess these are different variants based on the OG X-Men

[u/tideshark]

NIGHTCRAWLER!!!!

[u/Vitzkyy]

I really hope they balance these characters well, this is a lot of characters

[u/AceofKnaves44]

I’m guessing they’re giving Tom Holland a break since he’s got Nolan’s movie plus his own Spider-Man movie next year. Besides Spidey, no Captain Marvel or Doctor Strange is very surprising. Having an Avengers movie without Hulk is beyond shocking. And while no Deadpool isn’t that unexpected, having just about the entire Fox X-Men 2 team but no Jean Grey, Storm, or Wolverine, especially when he’s been in all but one X-Men movie in some fashion, is kind of unbelievable.

[u/PeepawWilly69]

My god, that’s huge. We’re getting the Thunderbolts cast, Fantastic 4, all the folks like Thor, Loki, Shuri, hell even Namor, AND we’re getting X-Men. Boy this is autta be good