r/marvelstudios • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 Ant-Man • 2d ago
Other Kevin Feige shares new details on 'Avengers: Doomsday' at CinemaCon, confirms filming starts in a few days
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u/rostron92 2d ago edited 2d ago
First Thanos, now Doom. Poor Wakanda
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u/artifexlife 2d ago
It’s New York or wakanda basically lmao
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u/mikuyo1 2d ago
Well thats where the biggest concentration of super people seem to be, so its like a big beacon for baddies?
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u/ketsugi 1d ago
Does Wakanda really have that many super people compared to, say, San Francisco or London?
And I feel like there should be way more East and South Asian heroes even if they're not regularly mentioned or featured.
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u/SteveBob316 Weekly Wongers 1d ago
Boy howdy, do they ever. Their entire standing military is effectively superhuman because Vibranium & techmagic. Then there's the Dora Milaje. They have stealth aircraft capable of ranging the entire world and an intelligence network that rivals or surpasses anything SHIELD ever had going, apart from the Skrulls (probably).
And then there is Black Panther.
You might as well ask if Kamar-taj has that many supers. Kind of depends on what you mean, but the short answer is yes.
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u/HarryG5Z Thanos 1d ago
Does London have any super people? I think Moon Knight lived there for a bit, but that's all I can think of!
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u/_britesparc_ 1d ago
Some of the Eternals lived there, I can't remember anyone else in the MCU. But I guess in the comics you have the whole of Marvel UK, none of which I think have made it to the screen.
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u/bigfatcarp93 Hydra 1d ago
I mean not necessarily
In Thor 2, the big alien invasion was in London. Captain America TWS was almost all DC, with Civil War and BNW being all over the world. And a lot of these movies take place in space.
I also just realized that my last three comments all started with "I mean"
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u/rexepic7567 Peter Parker 2d ago
the fuck did the wakandans do to doom did T'Challa fuck his wife like johnny did in the comics or something
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u/rvdp66 2d ago
Those xmen are fucked.
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u/LollipopChainsawZz 2d ago
Professor X is gonna die again 😭
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u/PayneTrain181999 Ned 2d ago
He, Vision, and Loki are fighting for most deaths.
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u/TheMoorNextDoor 2d ago
Loki theoretically has the most by far.
TVA deaths just rack up.
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u/Objective-Tea-7979 2d ago
The only one who could possibly have as many deaths as Loki are Victor Timely
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u/PayneTrain181999 Ned 2d ago
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u/itsonmyprofile 2d ago
Now that’s a fun hypothetical: we know Loki was 1,000+ “years” in the TVA trying to solve the timeline explosion, but we don’t actually know how many times/how long Strange was supposed to be with Dormmamu because he put them inside a never ending time loop
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u/Theoretical_Action 1d ago
I was just about to say, canonically we have no idea how many times this happened but to be enough to exhaust this fucking being it had to been so many. Strange has proven he has the patience considering he lived through 13m+ variations of how the Infinity Wars ended.
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u/ThatEvanFowler Thanos 1d ago
For some reason, whenever I see this scene, a part of me is always a little irrationally disappointed when he doesn't say, "Dormammu, I've come to boogie", then just start tap-dancing in front of a big confused face. I think my brain has begun trying to swap endings from Marvel films.
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u/Ronenthelich 2d ago
That’s why Famke Jansen and Sophie Turner aren’t in this, the MCU isn’t ready for Jean “died 15 times” Grey.
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u/Dino_Spaceman 1d ago
Im guessing the opposite. I’m guessing the X-men are the “assemble” part of the climactic battle at the end of the first film. So they limit the amount of filming for those very expensive actors, but still get to claim them for a cast.
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u/robodrew 1d ago
Guaranteed. Channing Tatum is the youngest one of them and he's 44. The rest are in their 50s, 60s, and even 80s. That team and their world are destined to fall to Doom.
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u/KnowThatILoveU 1d ago
Holy shit that’s how they introduce Doom? Wiping out the FoX-Men?
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u/robodrew 1d ago
Total guess, maybe they are the only ones to escape the destruction of their reality thanks to Nightcrawler
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u/TomClancy5873 2d ago
Seems like a lot of development for one movie. Hope the ones leading up to it show Doom, and the XMEN
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u/jerem1734 2d ago
Yeah maybe they'll just be fodder but having a focus on the Wakandans, besides Shuri of course, seems like a waste of time when the new avengers team, Doom, the fantastic four, and X men need to be developed in this movie
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u/Few-Juggernaut8723 2d ago
seeing as namor is in the movie it’s picking up a loose end from recently which is what a lot of people have been asking for so i don’t think it’s that wasteful
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u/jerem1734 2d ago
It's not wasteful for them to be present of course, there's just so much this movie has to do that I'll feel like it's wasteful if Namor and M'Baku do more in the movie than just show up for the big battle
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u/el_palmera 2d ago
Nah just spend 5-10 minutes showing the progress of the wakanda talokan alliance and then move on and they can show up later however they are needed
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u/IAmActionBear 2d ago
Yeah, like, this is what they’ve done in every Avengers movie. Now we’re suddenly scared of these movies juggling a big cast and several settings?
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u/el_palmera 2d ago
Yeah just about every character besides the x men have had their own phase 4 or 5 movie by the time this comes out, we know where they're all at already
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u/Afwife1992 2d ago
One thing the writers and Russos are good at is getting real bang for the buck. Steve was only in IW for 7 minutes in a 2+ hr movie and had almost no actual lines. (He actually had more in his Homecoming PSAs 😆) But he was a huge presence anyway with the great train station sequence and battle of Wakanda.
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u/eyebrows360 Daredevil 1d ago
That fucking "lone gunslinger" moment with Wanda before he makes his entrance, my god, such a tiny moment but so so good.
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u/Assholio1989 2d ago
This movie needs to be about 4 hours with an intermission. Just go big or go home at this point.
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u/ThankYouOle 2d ago
inb4 it become trilogy
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u/-Darkslayer Doctor Strange 2d ago
Unironically this is what they should do
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u/Linator4 1d ago
Yeah, I 100% agree. Secret Wars is the crossover of all crossovers where the stakes cannot be topped and the current MCU just within Earth-616 alone is much bigger than the cast for IW & Endgame with how many characters they’ve added since Phase 4. That’s not factoring in the Legacy cameos (Snipes, the OG FoX-Men like Hugh + Stewart, & Tobey potentially getting a proper send-off as the pillars of the superhero genre in the Avengers crossover they never had), or if they wanna pull variants from classic animated shows, video games, or straight from the comics.
Not to mention, it’s the event so cataclysmic that it could serve as the end of the Marvel Universe as a whole, but in this case, that’ll probably just mean multiversal soft reboot with all the characters in the same universe & recasts/fresh takes on past characters like the new X-Men and potentially characters we lost in the Infinity Saga who have important relationships with characters or stories we haven’t gotten a chance to see yet. I feel a Secret Wars trilogy will ensure there’s no wasted potential or bases left unexplored.
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u/Objective-Tea-7979 2d ago
Intermission is for pussies
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u/I_do_drugs-yo 2d ago
And small bladders
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u/NoFlaccidMint 1d ago
I always laugh at my sister when she goes to the bathroom after the movie starts.
If she was a real MCU fan, she’d piss herself during the movie like I do.
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u/heliostraveler 2d ago
Seems like a lot for characters that have never once really interacted with each other.
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u/PhoenixHabanero 2d ago
They did say this is more of a beginning of a story rather than an ending like Avengers Infinity War & Endgame. I'm hopeful.
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u/TurnipSensitive4944 2d ago
Yeah almost as if the russos alluded to this being like avengers 1 on steroids
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u/ChemicalExperiment Nebula 1d ago
Which is exactly why I loved the Avengers movies before. Very exciting.
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u/Intelligent_Spite930 The Mandarin 2d ago
Cant wait to see Doom commit genocide
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u/PayneTrain181999 Ned 2d ago
Thanos already did, so he’s got a lot to prove.
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u/Objective-Tea-7979 2d ago
Thanos killed half a universe. Doom is gonna kill half of all universes
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u/mitvh2311 2d ago
Hoping the old X-Men lead into the new X-Men. Tired of these nostalgia trips
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u/WarlockRock11 2d ago
I think it's great they are holding back a main X-Men movie until after all this. The multiversal bend to the saga could be a really great way for Marvel to give the Fox X-Men the send off they deserve and then usher in a new dawn of Marvel led X-Men movies.
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u/itsonmyprofile 2d ago
It also opens the door to a (somewhat hokey) moment with Xavier (Sir Patrick Stewart) telling The Avengers/Sam that the X-Men do exist in their world (MCU proper vs Foxverse)
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u/Myhtological 2d ago
Dude no soft reboot. New universe.
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u/WarlockRock11 2d ago
It’s gonna be a soft reboot, I’m betting. That’s what Secret Wars did. Perfect way to start recasting old roles.
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u/robodrew 1d ago
a really great way for Marvel to give the Fox X-Men the send off they deserve
Deadpool and Wolverine already did this really well IMO, even had an emotional montage of shots and behind the scenes footage from all of the Fox X-Men movies at the end.
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u/wyverbuster Avengers 2d ago edited 1d ago
Avengers: Doomsday will focus on the Avengers
It would be pretty weird if the Avengers were side characters in their own movie bruh. But it's interesting he's talking about Thunderbolts and Wakandans separately because many assumed they would be folded into Sam's Avengers, seems like that's not the case
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u/Zeeron1 2d ago
Am I crazy, or does it sound like they are trying to replicate Infinity War-End Game, just without any of the set up?
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u/evanweb546 Grandmaster 2d ago
Who at this point is “the Avengers.”
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u/Futuregoat123 1d ago
If you watched BNW You’d know no one is anymore but they’ll reform for the movie
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u/robodrew 1d ago
Well if you want to go by the end battle sequence of Endgame, it's everyone who fights for the side of good.
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u/Jaqulean 1d ago
By the end of "Brave New World" Sam decides that it's time to assemble the new Avengers - so the more obvious characters will likely already be in contact by the time "Doomsday" starts - while the rest are going to join throughout both of the movies' events.
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u/spartacat_12 1d ago
Based on who has been announced so far it seems like Cap, Thor, Ant-Man, Shang-Chi, and Falcon will be part of them. I'd expect future announcements to include Captain Marvel, Strange, and Spiderman
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u/laplace_or_mine 2d ago
i gotta be honest, i just want a fresh mcu x-men cast at this point. how many times are we supposed to have a “send off” for the fox versions of the characters? i’ll reserve judgment till the film comes out and i see it, but i would’ve loved for them to introduce their own versions of the x-men slowly and built them up
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u/Bobastic87 2d ago
I genuinely believe this will be the final time we see them, especially since this the end of the multiverse saga. Wouldn’t be shocked if Feige leaves Marvel after secret wars or shortly after and this is his last time with the x men and og avengers, hence why it’s the old X men.
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u/blunt_eastwood 1d ago
Was there ever a send off for them other than Logan? I really can't remember.
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u/Endgam 1d ago
DP&W was a big send-off to the Fox movies as a whole.
.....But then again, DP&W also led us to believe the Multiverse is over. Nope.
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u/blunt_eastwood 1d ago
.....But then again, DP&W also led us to believe the Multiverse is over. Nope.
What do you mean by this?
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u/Soggy-University-524 Black Panther 2d ago
Shocker!
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u/HelloGoodBye2022 2d ago
What does two in the pink one in the stink have to do with Marvel?
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u/iwannalynch Loki (Avengers) 2d ago
I mean, if you want to please the Captain...
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u/icein2017 2d ago
Anyone else have a bad feeling about the CGI for this movie? Lots of high paid actors + it’s only a year away and they’re just starting the shooting
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u/Nmilne23 2d ago
Why the fuck is everyone so godamn bitchy about this film already?
The cast list announcement has people either upset because they didn’t announce enough actors or pissed because they announced too many
Get your shit together yall. Doomsday is coming.
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u/Domination1799 2d ago
The Infinity Saga sold a story. The Multiverse Saga sold a cast. These two Avengers films are going to be a mess that is dependent on nostalgia instead of a good story.
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u/DonCola93 2d ago
With no build up. Nice. Welcome to the mess.
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u/Bobastic87 2d ago
Is it really that shocking that we see cracks within this franchise? This franchise has been going on for over a decade. I’d be more shocked if marvel was able to stay consistent for this long. Idk if we’ll ever see a franchise as huge as what marvel is now… or at least in a long time.
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u/labbla 2d ago
It's going to be a huge clumsy mess. Kind of interested to see whatever the fuck this turns out to be.
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u/SteveBob316 Weekly Wongers 1d ago
Many of us said the same thing about Civil War. Man, those were the days.
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u/CleanAspect6466 2d ago
I imagine it will be a way more messy version of Infinity War, a lot of characters in that movie were relegated to bit parts, but most of them get a scene or two to shine, I cannot imagine them pulling off the same level of balance with all the extra characters they have now
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u/Philander_Chase Vision 1d ago
Ahem. Of the 14 post-Endgame/Far from Home and pre-Doomsday films:
Black Widow introduces future Thunderbolts
Shang-Chi introduces Shang-Chi, who will be in Doomsday
Eternals introduces adamantium, which was a plot point in Brave New World and could also be one (albeit smaller) in Doomsday
No Way Home introduces the multiverse, which features in Doomsday
Multiverse of Madness introduces incursions, which was almost shown in the Marvels and most likely will at least be mentioned in Doomsday
Love and Thunder has Thor become a dad, which will for sure be seen in Doomsday since he’s in it
Wakanda Forever introduces Shuri as Black Panther as well as Namor, and they’ll both be in Doomsday
Quantumania has Ant-Man who will be in Doomsday
Guardians 3… ok I got nothing here
The Marvels has Photon go to the X-Men world that’ll appear in Doomsday
Deadpool & Wolverine introduces Gambit who will be in Doomsday
Brave New World introduces Joaquin Torres as Falcon, who will be in Doomsday
Thunderbolts introduces the Thunderbolts who will be in Doomsday
Fantastic Four introduces the Fantastic Four who will be in Doomsday
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u/KrytenKoro 1d ago edited 1d ago
Those aren't buildup. Those are toys in a box .
The first three phases didn't just introduce characters or concepts, they introduced plot lines uniting the characters and showing us what the villain was building towards. Nick fury was the string connecting that first group, and he pulled them together in that movie.
Play Kevin Bacon with this list. Which ones are linked by personal relationships?
Ant man, bucky, and Captain America, maybe?
Or Captain marvel, ms marvel, Elena, and Kate Bishop? Maybe shang chi and dr strange via captain marvel and Wong? Even those are pretty tenuous.
As for the villain - do we know what his basic goal is? We had an idea what it would be for thanos at this point, even just from snippets of the character.
EDIT: Here's an Infinity War era relationship chart. For build up to work, we'd need something like this with all the new characters as strongly connected as the main characters of IW.
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u/Philander_Chase Vision 1d ago
Oh you’re right, Infinity Saga had much better build up and it’s definitely not just rose-colored glasses.
We’ve seen the characters unite so much in the Infinity Saga, we had 2.5 Avengers films before Infinity War, and Ragnarok was kind of a team-up too. We haven’t had that level, nor do we need it again, but we have had some of it. And that works for this saga.
We saw little clips of Thanos at the end of Avengers 1 & 2, the first not even related to the infinity stones. We also got a scene in Guardians 1, and his ship appearing in Ragnarok but that was to explicitly tease Infinity War, so I don’t even count that as different bc we may get a similar thing in Fantastic Four. So yeah, we barely saw anything of Thanos pre-Infinity War. Why you’re saying that’s so much different than not seeing Doom at all confuses me. It’s a LITTLE different, but basically it’s not.
Nick Fury was the string for Phase 1 only.
Avengers 1 was the first crossover, not Infinity War. In Avengers 1 they all met for the first time. In Infinity War, different people met as well: Doctor Strange and the Guardians all met the Avengers, everyone met the people of Wakanda and Captain Marvel. This won’t be hugely different in that way either.
The only thing I’ll concede is that we don’t know Doom’s goal, but honestly if we didn’t know Thanos’ goal the fan reaction to Infinity War would’ve been the same.
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who says its no build up? still have FF and TB plus it could built from things already released now too
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u/Groots-Cousin 2d ago
What’s the avengers lineup?
Cap Thor Ant-Man ??????
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u/PayneTrain181999 Ned 2d ago
Falcon, Shang-Chi, Wakandans and Thunderbolts working with them.
Then probably Hulk, She-Hulk, Strange, Spidey, etc who haven’t been confirmed yet.
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u/Gullible-Poet4382 2d ago
Is Doom that powerful?
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u/Initial-Pudding7892 2d ago
Doom has iterations in the comic where is basically God
He rips Thanos’ skeleton out of his body in one comin
He is probably top 3-5, if not the most powerful villain in marvel comics, depending on the version of him
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u/CutMeLoose79 2d ago
I'll be interested to see how they go from where we are in the MCU now, to suddenly all fighting Doctor Doom. Hoping it doesn't feel too rushed and disconnected.
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u/RealSkyDiver 2d ago
So will production and post-production happen at the same time? Less than a year for the latest would seem crazy when this is suppose to be one of the largest MCU movies.
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u/SolClark 2d ago
These 'original' x-men are for sure going to come from the universe we see at the end of The Marvels, right?
Also imagine the hype around this had MoM, NWH and Deadpool 3 not already drip fed legacy characters on us. Starting to feel a bit like a retread. I am still excited, don't get me wrong.
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u/relientkenny 2d ago
this is just guess but i feel like the big massive battle is gonna take place in the Void. they can do their most absolute damage there
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u/bookon 2d ago
The avengers, fantastic 4, the OG XMen, Wakandans and Thunderbolts are going up against Dr Doom and people are complaining it’s not enough.
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u/postmodern_lasagna 2d ago
Is Doom just gonna solo them all? Wouldn’t Doom need a team? Also, listing the Avengers and Thunderbolts separately seems to disprove the theory that the asterisk in Thunderbolts is for them actually being the Avengers. They’ll need to be called something different.
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u/Thereisnocanon 2d ago
I’m going to go on a whim here and assume that the X-Men Universe and the MCU will face an incursion triggered by DOOM, which will cause the Fox X-Men universe to die, leading into Secret Wars.
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u/Gorilla_Dookie 2d ago
This sounds so bloated there are like 4 teams that still haven't even been introduced and we are supposed to make a connection with them in a few 15 minute intervals before a final clash with Doom who also needs to be introduced. They are squeezing way too much into a movie with no setup, even if it is 3 hours long
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u/kinoki1984 1d ago
”Focus” is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. That doesn’t seem too focused if everyone is focused on. But, hey, they made Infinity War a tightly paced joyride so I’ll give them the benefit of a doubt.
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u/Danibalector 1d ago
Forgive my ignorance, but is Doom that big of a deal? He seems a little outnumbered here.
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u/undertow521 2d ago
I really, really hate that we're getting the OG X-men. Just ball up and give us new iterations. You did it with Spiderman, and are doing it with F4.
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u/patch_e_behr Daredevil 2d ago
That doesn't sound much like "focus" it sounds like "we're going to throw everything at it and hope it works please be excite"
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u/Character_Wishbone67 2d ago
I’m all for seeing the original X-Men. Especially the Angel. I hope we get different Thunderbolts instead of the Suicide Squad wannabes. I’d rather see the Abomination therapy group as the Thunderbolts.
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u/schuyywalker 2d ago
In my opinion all of this nostalgia overload they re doing is about to backfire. MoM was cool, NWH was fan service, and now we are here.
Is anyone else not over it? Ready for a clean break and not wanting to have to go through this to get a fresh X Men, F4 and SM storyline going forward?
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u/kingthvnder 2d ago
I’m sad. If Boseman wa alive we would for sure be getting the Tchalla Reed bromance I love so much 😔
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u/therealNerdMuffin 2d ago
It's frustrating me how quickly they're moving things along... There's so many characters in this movie we've hardly seen fleshed out, including the main antagonist, and they're already fighting in an Avengers movie. No build up at all
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u/CleanAspect6466 2d ago
It seems a lot of these pieces should have been in place by the end of Phase 4 at least, why Thunderbolts in particular didn't cap off Phase 4 when all the pieces had been introduced and the franchise was in need of some synergy is baffling to me
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u/eagc7 2d ago
That's something i've been saying, all the groundwork for Thunderbolts was laid out in Phase 4, could've ended there
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u/CleanAspect6466 2d ago
Maybe when all the movies are out there will be a fan custom watching order that makes everything flow more smoothly than what we got in real time
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u/labbla 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's so weird. The classic X-Men people coming back feels like Marvel doesn't know how to bring it all together anymore. Gotta use those nostalgia X-Men as a crutch and an RDJ comeback because they're not sure how to Avenge & cinematic universe. All it does is make me underwhelmed.
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u/ElderSmackJack 2d ago
All people complained about for the last three years was "it isn't going anywhere" and now it's going "too fast." Make up your minds.
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u/KrytenKoro 1d ago
Those are the same complaint. The franchise wasn't taking the time to pay out a proper buildup, so the climax is ramping up out of nowhere.
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u/dpittnet 2d ago
All the heroes are already established. There’s no need to build up Doom prior to this. A small role in FF is more than enough
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u/solo13508 2d ago
So that concept art that leaked a while back was totally fake then? Or maybe it came from an earlier version of the movie.
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u/IMdaywhy 2d ago
Not sure why people thought it was for Doomsday. It made more sense for Secret Wars
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u/Binky_55614 2d ago
That’s ALL they’re focusing on? They couldn’t fit anymore characters in than that? Pathetic.
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u/BecauseBatman01 2d ago
How can you focus on 4 different teams/ groups of people in 1 movie? This is about to be jam packed like the justice league movie lmao.
I hope they can get a good script but idk how they’ll pull it off.
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u/nicolasb51942003 2d ago edited 2d ago
He also reiterated that the rest of the cast haven't been announced yet, but will be revealed soon.