In addition to being explicitly banned by the Constitution, I'm not sure how this tactic would....work.
In the same way you can't stop federal tax from being garnished from your weekly or biweekly paycheck, I'm not sure how any blue state would go about negotiating any sort of trade agreement that was mutually beneficial.
Sure, we could say "please don't retaliate against us, you saw the election you KNOW we weren't the ones at fault for this" but how would we effectively circumvent tariffs on incoming goods from international partners? Those products come through customs unless we're talking about running the feds out of our ports wholesale
I’ve reached a point where I don’t give a damn if it’s illegal. The federal government clearly doesn’t care when something is, so why the hell should the states?
The 2nd US Constitution, effective 1789 granted tariff authority to the CONGRESS, (Congress delegating to the President certain authority, now used beyond authority) taking that authority from the states, ending the U.S. Confederation Congress regime of the first constitution, which allowed different tariffs for every state,
The Constitution’s Article I, Section 8 states: “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, … but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.”
Solution:
Elect non Republican majority Congress, who is terrified of being primaried by authoritarian Trump, Musk, and MAGA anti-constitutionalists. The House is Three seats in Republican majority.
Not so hard to eject the present majority.
Also, a bipartisan bill to withdraw some Presidential Tariff authority has been file in both the senate and House.
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House Republican moves to rein in tariff powers
Nebraska Rep. Don Bacon’s bill mirrors a bipartisan Senate bill introduced Thursday.
But the Massachusetts economy is as large as many European countries, even by itself. We could make it as our own country by ourselves. And if we joined up with other New England states, we would have a bigger, more robust economy.
It would mean something of a drop in quality of life. But that's the price we'd pay to secure our democracy from tyrants.
And keep in mind, staying in the US would mean a significant drop in quality of life. Because the Orange Dictator is determined to do things to tank our economy and hobble it so that it can never grow back.
But the Massachusetts economy is as large as many European countries, even by itself.
This doesn't even mean anything. Do you honestly believe that the Massachusetts economy meaningfully exists independently from the economy of the wider US? By what measure are you comparing the Massachusetts economy "by itself" to "many European countries"?
And keep in mind, staying in the US would mean a significant drop in quality of life.
I won't dispute that. We're in a crisis. But you have made no credible argument for seceding from the US being a plausible way of avoiding a similar or greater drop in quality of life, so this is begging the question.
And if we joined up with other New England states, we would have a bigger, more robust economy.
No, bullshit. Even if every New England state joined Canada, their combined economy would still be smaller and less robust than the current US economy, even as much as Trump has royally fucked it. Every New England state's economy combined would be bigger than MA's economy alone, but that seems so trivial that it can't possibly be what you meant, since MA's economy is, you know, not energy independent.
It would mean something of a drop in quality of life.
"Something" of a drop in quality of life is, uh, a way of selling it.
But that's the price we'd pay to secure our democracy from tyrants.
You've articulated no compelling reason that seceding from the US would secure our democracy from tyrants. That rather seems like ceding our democracy to tyrants.
Because the Orange Dictator is determined to do things to tank our economy and hobble it so that it can never grow back.
Yes, he is determined to do that. By balkanizing the United States. I am sure he appreciates your help with that.
There is absolutely no guarantee that a breakup of the US would result in New England becoming anything better than what we have now, even under Trump. In fact, the turmoil and economic collapse could end up resulting in a far worse tyranny, or large segments of our state becoming a battlefield. We could have famine and starvation in New England for the first time in two centuries if the rail lines and highways get cut anywhere between here and Ohio. We could have insurgencies, a hardline dictatorship, no constitution whatsoever, etc.
Whenever people bring up secession or a breakup of the US, I think of a scene from a show called “Born in the USSR”, where it interviewed a young boy whose family, if I recall correctly, lived in a tent in a random Russian city park after fleeing ethnic pogroms elsewhere in the former USSR. The boy obviously doesn’t understand why everything happened, or why his family ended up where they are, but his life was irrevocably scarred forever by it.
If you asked a hundred people in Tajikistan in 1985 what they thought their Soviet republic would be like a decade later, I doubt any of them would have responded with economic collapse and Islamic civil war. Yet that’s exactly what they got after the breakup.
Of course it will be messy and chaotic. That's why you don't form new countries casually.
The US's own development as a new country was frought with chaos. Two constitutions. Presidents that sometimes tested the limits of their power. Senators caning each other on the Senate floor. A President who disassembled a precursor to the US Treasury simply because he didn't like "banks". Or the man in charge of that institution. Which lead to a major recession in the US economy.
The War of 1812? What sane new country starts a war with the superpower of the world at that time? Under any circumstances? It's amazing that war ended with status quo antebellum, instead of us losing everything west of the Appalachians.
And of course the biggest source of chaos. Chattel Slavery. An issue recognized by the Founders as thr biggest threat to our country. One that festered for 87 years until it blew up into the Civil War.
People do not start new countries because they expect success to lead to a happily ever after. They start them for a chance to do the hard work needed to build that happily ever after. Knowing full well that what they are doing is a risk. That it could fail. But what they could achieve if it succeeds is even greater than what they will have if they do nothing.
Good. The federal government isn’t playing by the fucking rules so blue states shouldn’t either. Fuck’em.
That being said I’d much prefer a coalition of blue governors/states banding together to openly oppose the federal government at this point.
“But that’s secession!?”
Good. Sick and tired of these backwards ass morons in red states ruining shit for us. Let them starve to death without our taxes keeping them barely afloat while they gut our rights.
honestly, this kind of "soft" secession is probably the one that blue states could actually get away with.
true secession will definitely be met with violence. but no one is going to send their kids to die to prevent CA and New England from inking a trade arrangement with China lol
but I agree, it needs to be a compact of multiple states
You do realize that the Articles of Confederation didn't work in large part because individual states were able to setup their own trade deals with countries? I'm all for a tax rebellion or a tariff rebellion, but that's likely the beginning of the end of the US as it exists today.
Trump has broken the government so that it no longer serves the people. And set things up so that he can grab power permanently.
Direct separation would likely lead to a civil war or violent crackdown by the US government on us. However, if we slowly weaken the government in this way first, we can leave peacefully later, after the US government has been reduced to the shell it was under the Articles.
Ask yourself this: is preservation of the US really worth sacrificing the democratic values the US was founded under?
We don't abandon our country because oligarchs are tearing it apart.
I see you agitating for secession all over this thread. You're a traitor to the people just as much as the current administration is. You're both angling for the balkanization of the US. What actually makes you different? Some lip-service to "democratic values"?
Speaking as a veteran that grew up looking up to the many incredible American heroes like Robert Rosenthal, Lyle Bouck, Felix Sparks, Richard Rescorla, and so many others, I would much cast away what these people would like to see our nation become to preserve the morals and ideas of what our nation should be and what those aforementioned heroes fought for.
I think the best way to go about things would be what I like to call decoupling. I have to agree with the red states and lean hard on states rights. Blue states should support the abolishment of the federal income tax and forgo federal aid. DC has no power if you don’t take federal aid. Then the blue states should institute their own system of cost sharing. Just a thought.
I'm pissed that we've been heavily supporting these shithole southern states with our federal funding only to be rewarded by having OURS cut in return. biting the hand that feeds necessitates a withdrawal. southerners are being used as pawns to redirect federal dollars to billionaires; but, if they're too dumb to understand HOW that money is beneficially spent, they should NOT receive money at all. starve them out.
Good. Sick and tired of these backwards ass morons in red states ruining shit for us. Let them starve to death without our taxes keeping them barely afloat while they gut our rights.
Under normal circumstances, it would be. But Trump's antics are making it more and more possible to organize people under the idea.
Besides, it takes time to organize a country. Far longer than it does to tear one down. I see the movement as building the ejection seat we will need when Trump makes himself dictator.
But if we don't build the seat, it won't be there when Trump flies the plane into the ground.
Then let it fucking end, it SHOULD be us vs the 1%, do you know what that is? It’s class war, it’s leftist ideology. Republicans and Conservatives are just the fancy PC name we have for class traitors. If class traitors control the US govt, let the US govt end because it is actively suppressing us
There is no legal process for secession from the United States. This was settled by SCOTUS and with a little war you might have heard of. Secession now will not end well for any state contemplating such a move. Even if by some miracle the seceding states prevailed, the road would be littered with the bodies of new englanders.
There is no scenario that New England wins a war with the armed forces of the United States. Not without the backing of the military would this succeed.
This is how we will liberate the west coast from unjust taxation (through tariffs) without representation. It will be the greatest liberation day ever.
We would unironically need this if we did become a separate republic for trade with CA. Otherwise America would do everything they could to spitefully block any trade from occurring.
I think a variant of this with a blue field could be nice. Forests and ocean. (I also just like blue better than red and think it would go better with the green of the tree)
Blue meaning the color of liberals is a recent thing (2000 election to be exact, so 25 years) and it's literally the opposite in the rest of the world. In the rest of the world, liberals are yellow, social democrats are red, and conservatives are blue.
I had a teacher in high school from Moldova and she told us all about that and its not even really Moldovas fault their economy fell apart completely
Their entire economy was dedicated to wine production during the soviet era.
Meaning that when the iron curtain fell, and all the American, French, Italian, and Argentine and other wines became available in the former eastern bloc, nobody wanted Moldovan wine anymore and overnight their entire economy collapsed
Massachusetts has a much more service-based economy than California. Yes, we do export some stuff to global markets but our main point of differentiation is in services and knowledge work. The far bigger threat posed to us by Trump is that we won't be able to attract and retain top global students and talent because people are scared to come to the US.
Okay, I don’t understand how it’s possible a state could somehow go around federal trade barriers? I assume tariffs are paid at the port of entry to federal workers in some capacity.
Imagine some country imposes tariffs on American-made products... except almonds. That gets around their retaliatory tariffs in a way that is legal, and California-specific.
And similarly, imagine California introduces a tax subsidy on, say, ASICs or something else that it imports primarily from China. That would help them avoid the American tariffs, too.
There may be other ways to accomplish this, but at least tying it to specific products rather than having a state try to dodge federal taxes would seem to be constitutional.
So at the end of the day the state would have to basically cover the tariff you think? It makes sense but I also hate it because it feels like a roundabout way of still paying the tariffs 🫤
Hopefully policy nerds figure something out. It would be kind of hilarious if the cost of living ended up being the same as or better than red states who couldn't/didn't negotiate a way around tariffs.
A president doesn't have to ignore all the checks and balances from Congress when the Congress rolls over and plays dead. It is up to the Congress to enforce the checks. Instead, they are to busy tongue punching the Cheeto-in-Chief's asshole.
A Republican president doesn't, a Democrat president would starve to death if the Parlementarian told them it was against the rules for the president to eat.
And if Democrats cared about rule of law, Trump would be in prison right now, but they care more about being polite and following arbitrary procedural rules to do anything that might make Republicans angry. You can't claim that your agenda relies on enforcing rule of law and then allow a felon into the highest office in the country because you failed to enforce the rule of law.
I agree, but I want to make sure we are really doing it. I want states to do things technically not constitutional instead of just rolling over. Like is this the moment it begins?
Why do you want states to do things that are presently illegal and unconstitutional?
Borrow a page from Trump's playbook. Look for things that are technically legal, not specifically forbidden by the constitution, but require that everyone involved be acting in good faith. Trump's not acting in good faith, so he's doing things that should probably be illegal and/or unconstitutional, but nobody thought these things would need to be specifically outlawed if everybody involved were ethical, rational civil servants.
Look for the things that aren't illegal on paper, but that no state has ever tried. Do those things. Shore up the Commonwealth's independence and help it build its own international presence. If we later add that strength to a redeemed US, great. If the US continues to fall, then we've made a start at charting our own course.
My hope is to raise the stakes for the Supreme Court personally. In the past, they didn’t fully understand the consequences of their actions. I want the court to know states won’t accept unconstitutional actions so they feel obligated to stop trumps quickly. I mean if the courts go along with trumps unconstitutional actions, the states will need to do it anyway
It helps when he is the leader of the party that controls both houses of congress and so the majority of congress actively wants him to succeed at what he is doing.
Looking at the article, I don't see anything about getting around Trump's tariffs for importing into the US, but he's trying to negotiate with other countries to exempt California from their own retaliatory tariffs.
If there are any details about California trying to get around the US's tariffs specifically as the title would suggest, I didn't see that in the article.
It isn't about getting around the U.S. tariffs, it's about California exports coming with some other deal-sweetener negotiated independently that makes the other country want to give these goods specifically exemptions to retaliation.
When the U.S. puts up a tariff, we pay it. It's a tax on us for buying exports. No state has control of that.
When another country puts up a tariff in retaliation, they are taxing their own people for buying our exports.
Newsom is trying to persuade other countries to tax their own people less for buying California's exports, perhaps by giving them some sort of subsidy or other tax break or something.
I'm not sure Massachusetts exports the sort of things that make this make sense - or even that it would work for California or to what extent. We have very different economies.
It isn't. This is a brain dead stupid article for not pointing out this obvious fact and conveniently not talking about what California actually wants to do. This is a glorified press release.
No, blue states should band together to replace the current administration. States are not sovereign countries and they can't bypass the federal government.
The federal government breaks every single law to the point where there is no more rule of law, and you want blue states and blue individuals to obey these laws?
This is like fighting with one hand tied behind your back.
I, for one, am no longer interested in sharing a federal government with southern and Midwestern states. Replacing only the current administration will impede that transition.
I lived in Idaho, one of the most conservative states in the country before I moved to Mass, one of the most liberal states in the country. Want to know something interesting? There's barely any distinction between the people living in either of these states. We're all the same Americans from coast to coast.
Most Americans aren't diehard left or blue, they're purple, and most people only want what's best for themselves and their families. However, these aren't the people who dictate our politics. Our politics is dominated by special interests, soulless opportunists, and vocal extremists.
Thinking that states are like countries is wrong. You're falling for propaganda that seeks to divide us. Getting rid of Trump and MAGA is doable, but we have to get rid of this divisive bullshit and work together to make sure that the average American understands that they personally need to go out there and be politically active to end this circus. They need to vote for their representatives or else they would end up with another embarrassing leader like Trump.
I disagree with this notion. The divide you're talking about exists only on the internet and it's heavily pushed by foreign and domestic adversaries who want to see this country divided and destroyed.
I traveled a great deal across this country and I've seen it with own eyes, Americans are the same no matter where you go. They have the same interests, the same culture, the same priorities, and they largely believe in the same things. The only thing that's stopping us from real reform and progress is ourselves.
If you lost trust in the federal government then that's fine, I can't say I blame you, however, I haven't and I certainly won't sit around and watch this country collapse over nothing.
And I've lived, not just traveled, in 10 states across all regions of the US. The culture is decidedly NOT uniform. Politics is an expression of cultural values. If we were that united culturally, this polarization wouldn't be able to be exploited by outside powers in the first place, and people wouldn't be referring to the cultural differences as a "war."
It's not uniform, but the differences are nowhere near big enough to be considered distinct. It's more accurate to say that we have bunch of subcultures under the same big American culture umbrella.
But what's being exploited is not our culture, but our ignorance as a nation. This country is so painfully under educated that a lot of people lack critical thinking skills. This isn't exclusive to conservatives even if it applies to them more, liberals in this country suffer from the same problem. People in this country are very willing to mindlessly accept whatever blatantly insane, false, or harmful narratives put in front them. This is what foreign powers abuse and exploit, and why wouldn't they when it's so effective and easy?
States are sovereigns in our system. While they cannot sign treaties with foreign nations, thy can make deals that do not violate the Constitution or federal law.
Bear with me: we make the blue states the heads of government, and the red states become our own private fiefdoms/colonies/puppet states that we constantly blast with required public education and federally funded public programs. I’m talking “just say no war on drugs” type shit but with the focus of school house rock. Basically, we need to ACTUALLY do reconstruction.
Yes. The White House’s current position for any blue state is “fuck you, were dragging you along what the MAGA cult wants” and if we can avoid that, through whatever means, let’s do it.
We're a cohesive country. Everything that happens federally is going to affect all 50 states. Having mango Mussolini as president is stressful and harmful as it is, having the states go rouge will make matters that much worse. We can't bypass the federal government, if want to end the tarrifs we have to replace Trump and his cult at the federal level.
You make them care. You think people are happy about the tarrif circus? Of course not. Hell, I even personally know a few of the demented idiots who voted for Trump who are regretting their votes. They realized that voting for someone purely because they hate gays wasn't the wisest idea.
The appetite to get rid of dictator cheeto is there. However, a lot of people in this country don't vote because they feel like their vote doesn't matter, we have to make them that every vote matters. A lot of people expect things to work themselves out, we have to make them understand that they have to be active to see the change they want to see. A lot people are misinformed and uneducated, we have to show them the facts. A lot of people are disappointed with the Democratic party, so we have to put in decent candidates, leaders, and platforms to get engaged.
We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas is not a strategy.
While we are waiting for the rest of this screwed up country to start caring, how much damage do we sustain and how maybe people go hungry and how much research investment do we sacrifice and how many citizens get grabbed off the street and deported to El Salvador?
People die while we sit here trying to fight with social media bots that are clearly winning the disinformation war.
We're slow walking into a goddamn dictatorship and everyone seems to think the best way forward is to be nice and convince a bunch of idiots from deep red country that it's ok to be gay. We're past that. It's time for States to start forming alliances with each other.
Uh we tried everything democratic. The law is literally not applying to MAGA? So keep doing what we've been doing? Act like we're playing the same game while they cheat and just clutch our pearls that they're not playing fair?
Fuck off man. They're literally buying votes. There's no democracy anymore.
Act like we're playing the same game while they cheat and just clutch our pearls that they're not playing fair?
Who's acting? All I'm saying is that we shouldn't turn into them and further erode this country.
But what is your grand plan here? What do you want to happen? How do you want to "play the game"? I keep hearing this same rhetoric all over Reddit, but I have yet to hear anything outside of wanting to turn the Democrats into a blue MAGA.
There's no democracy anymore.
Even if the democratic system is broken, those who believe in democracy still conduct their ways by democratic means officially or unofficially, legally or illegally. Democracy can only ever work when the people believe in it and abide by it's principles. If MAGA have gone full fascist? Fuck em, that doesn't mean we should follow in their footsteps.
There has never been any cohesion. The civil war became a cold war and it's been like this after since 1865. We fundamentally disagree on cultural values, political values, the role of religion in society, and basic understandings of reality.
Have you ever been outside of MA? Like actually, have you ever gone to any of these states you're talking about? Because I have, and your view is simply not based in reality. The average Masshole and the average Texan are basically the same. There are small differences, and those states do have a different set of problems that they face than we do, but we're undoubtedly all the same Americans.
There are literally more cultural differences between two neighboring towns in my home country of Iraq than there are between American states.
The electoral college and thr US Senate give more rights to the "red" states than they do to New England. The red states will never give up their advantage. So we have to leave the US federal system to get our human rights back -- one person, one vote. r/RepublicofNE
What are you even talking about? New England states are some of the biggest beneficiaries of the electoral college. Outsides of Mass, all the other New England are over represented in the electoral college (source).
We're also basically one state split into 6, and with the exception of maybe NH, all the NE states are politically aligned. In other words, we have a minimum of 5 times the senate power and representation as other places. A state like Texas has twice our population but they only have two senators.
I'm in favor of electoral reform because the electoral college system is stupid. However, what you're saying is just not true. Not only that but a standard popular vote is not going to make thing better either, we'll still end up with two big parties because of the first past the post system. We'll need something like ranked choice voting to move away from the two big party system... and that initiative has failed here in MA recently.
Electoral college representation is related to the state's total representation in Congress (House + Senate). Since each state has 2 senators regardless of population, the smaller states have proportionately more representation in the electoral college. https://usafacts.org/visualizations/electoral-college-states-representation/
Yes but not for the reason you're thinking. Republicans flooded the zone with illegal and unconstitutional actions. The courts are both powerless and too slow to counter them.
We should use this tactic against them. Every state should escalate with their own "do whatever the fuck we want" moves and force Republicans on the defense for a change. It doesn't matter if a side channel can be negotiated successfully but it requires them to react anyway.
I mean the most important parts are probably the ports, correct? Boston's ports aren't as extensive as NY/NJ, and Portland is even less. I think we'd have to have ny and nj to make it work.
Whether you agree with this specific idea or not, physics is at play here. The Blue states that this administration keeps targeting (CA, MA, ME, etc.) will react to Trump’s nonsense one way or another.
We need to take measures that protect our own. That asshole's fucking side has been running on state liberties for years. Now they are imposing anti-state rights actions. I say we take a page out of that book and do what is needed to protect our own economy as well as band together with other states to form alliances.
I think we should. I think a lot of people underestimate how much influence the New England area has. Sure, it's not CA in terms of raw GDP/production/etc -- but we have a huge economy on a per capita basis with many highly prestigious institutions, across industries like education, health, biotech, and pharma. If the federal government isn't working for us, we should work for ourselves.
One of the biggest and weirdest contrasts I've noticed since Trump got elected is that my day-to-day interactions with other New Englanders are so pleasant. I've always found it odd that MA gets the reputation that is has, since 99% of the people I meet and interact with throughout my daily business are so kind, well-oriented, thoughtful, etc. I think if anything, Trump getting elected united us even more here. Caused us to rally around a common problem. This is all to say, I'd love to see some state-level action that reflects our unity and commitment to an equitable, diverse, and kind set of political beliefs.
If the government wants to be obstructive, then it's time for individual states to start negotiating on their own terms. That's just states' rights, right?
We should consider it. We might not have the bargaining power of California, but we benefit from international tourism. Making an effort to communicate a desire for friendly international trade relations might help maintain some level of revenue from tourism.
Yes, we should. Fuck Trump and his economy killing tariffs. Let's make our own trade agreements with whatever countries are interested in fair trade starting with Canada and Mexico.
The idea that California (or Mass) can negotiate their own tariffs is almost as dumb. And I say this only because it is literally a power given to the federal Congress in the Constitution.
Article 1, Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
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To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
The article says that Newson is trying to negotiate with other countries to exempt California from those countries' retaliatory tariffs. He's not trying to remove the US tariffs because California has no way of doing that.
Sadly, it's a waste of time and taxpayer money to defend in court. It's clearly laid out in the Constitution that the federal government and
US Congress have the powers to do such actions.
See Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution
Along with Article VI, Clause 2 of the US Constitution, aka the Supremacy Clause, which ...
establishes that the Constitution, federal laws, and treaties are the supreme law of the land, binding on all state and federal courts.
This means any move like that will fail on Constitutional grounds
States seeking trade independent of the federal government is against the Constitution like that's the only legitimate function of the federal government to seek out trade with foreign nations on behalf of the several states.
The state can not avoid tariffs on imports. Tariffs and regulation of international trade are clearly within the scope of the Federal Gov's purview and the 18 enumerated powers of the Constitution.
They can negotiate all they want, to no end... If they tried, the only result would be losing a bunch of money on litigation.
For all the lawsuits targeting Trump, don't think he wouldn't be chomping at the bit to get a little turnabout, either.
What a total piece of shit article. How can you write an article like this and not mention what California actually wants to do, nor mention that states negotiating trade deals are totally illegal? Seriously, this article sucks and you will become dumber for reading it.
California cannot negotiate foreign trade. This is literally a crime. The article doesn't mention what they are doing because there is nothing they can do. The constitution is crystal clear on this.
If you are for this, go ahead and explain why specific legal action you think California (or Massachusetts) can do.
Seriously, what an absolute trash article. Fucking ChatGPT could go better.
Fucking yes! If Trump was on fire I'd only piss on him to put it out because JD Vance scares me more. If they were both on fire, I'd dance around it and fan the flames.
Just because I'm pointing out the obvious stupidity and falsehoods of a very bad article doesn't mean I like fascist. It means I like truth and reality. Creating a left wing reality distortion field where you ignore inconvenient reality is not the answer to a right wing insanity doing the same thing.
Let me ask you this, what would you think if California wasn't actually thinking of doing this, they're just announcing their intent to explore trade with other nations so that the current administration will lose their mind and start hypocritically crowing about unconstitutionality?
You know, like the way Trump announcing 19 ways to violate the constitution every day before breakfast.
Okay. Let's say that's the plan. Newsom wastes a bunch of time setting up a comically illegal trade deal with Canada, it goes before a judge, and no matter who it is they say, "lol, no. Completely illegal." and then Newsom goes, "What a sick burn! We got shot down for blatant unconstitutionally like Trump should be! Hypocrisy!" on Shitter.
Now what? You just wasted everyone's time, got shot down, and the only thing you have to show for it is wasted time and everyone thinks you're a moron for wasting time on a comically illegal trade deal. That's performative bullshit that no one cares about. Zero people will drop Trump because Newsom got shot down in court for a blatantly illegal trade deal.
Oh, and he had to lie a bunch to do this, as this dumb plan was apparently a secret deception to make the sick burn of "lol, I got shot down in the courts like you should".
You know, like the way Trump announcing 19 ways to violate the constitution every day before breakfast.
If Trump tried to launch a coup and end the Republic, would you too?
How about Democrats focus on policy and real actions to strip the president of power, rather than secret performative bullshit?
That's stupid. These are going to be ruled unconstitutional and will be thrown out. States can't bypass the federal government and negotiate with countries on their own. Not liking the current administration is not a justification to undermine the country.
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I think democratic states should seek bespoke trade deals as a group.
Illegal? Likely. But not as illegal as unilateral madman imposition of tariffs by a fascist dictator.