And that's still using an extremely, extremely narrow definition of "innocent" that doesn't account for the fact that merely existing in the "wrong" country shouldn't be a crime in the first place.
Pedantic, but merely existing isn't a crime, it's a civil infraction. This is important because certain rights, like the right to a jury trial, don't apply to non criminal violations
Sure, but also, not paying a bill you legally agreed to pay is also a civil infraction that doesn’t allow you certain rights… you still won’t get denied due process altogether, and you certainly won’t be deported to a prison camp on foreign soil with no ability to appeal the decision.
Also, let’s not forget that the legal system is supposed to codify morality, but it does not create morality. Chattel slavery was once legal and freeing slaves was illegal. Just because a system says “technically you don’t have this right because the law” doesn’t mean you shouldn’t have that right.
Yes, I feel it's important to know the distinction so that you are better prepared to fight the injustice. Relying on a right you don't have can turn out badly
Ah, yes. I generally agree. Unless there is reasonable belief that the person in question is a danger to themselves or others, they should not be imprisoned until a trial has been held. That has been further backed up by various catch and release type programs having over 90% attendance for the trials. There will invariably be some who abuse the system, but the minority of bad actors doesn't justify the stripping of rights of every innocent
Innocent people are being sent to a prison camp, essentially a concentration camp, in El Salvador indefinitely. There is no recourse and no way out. The Republican plan is for them to die there.
You'd have to be an apologist for something pretty awful to call that "tame".
Do you really believe that in a majority of countries entering illegally is punishable by death? Even if that were true, which it is wildly not, those people would still be put on trial in most countries. Otherwise you get exactly what the US is doing. A country attacking it's own citizens.
Well, the USA could just ask for him back, but the Trump administration is not doing that, and is arguing in court that they can’t be forced to do anything to bring an innocent man home.
I wouldn’t bring him back either, can you imagine the lawsuit, so much easier for Trump to simplify leave him there. Sadly it won’t even be the most criminal thing he done.
It's the saddest thing ever for our nation's rights. Especially that one side is seemingly okay with it. When they would have absolutely flipped their ever living minds had Obama or Biden done it. Because you know... it's an absolutely staggering overreach by the government.
Illegally and in error arrest a man. Then without due process. Deport the man to a foreign prison. Then declare... nothing we can do. How this isn't 100% of the news on all channels right now... with occasional breaks for the economy self destructing historically... I don't know.
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u/malybongo 1d ago
There’s a documentary about it on Netflix (if it’s still available) called “Long Shot”, it’s well worth a watch.