r/millenials • u/dryeraser • 28d ago
META š£ļø Trump and Elon most likely cheated on winning the election
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u/baconblackhole 27d ago edited 27d ago
No one in office wants to admit elections were compromised and betray faith in the system so they'll make it worse by letting themselves believe lying to us is somehow working.
Edit: clarification
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u/emoka1 1994 27d ago
Both sides could use this argument now, no?
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u/baconblackhole 27d ago
Yes
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u/emoka1 1994 27d ago
Iām not sure how we improve confidence in elections but itās something both sides should be working feverishly for. If anything is a threat to our democracy itās the flames of confusion getting larger and undermining the peopleās confidence that we are a democracy. Left to their own devices long enough will just be more dangerous. Iām already seeing people justifying individual property damage in the name of protecting our country. It could get worse.
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u/jstocksqqq 27d ago
Back in the Bush years there was a lot of questions about election integrity. They did a thorough review, and found there to be no major fraud. However, they said it was vital to restore faith in the election system, so they put together a committee to investigate. They brought a bunch of recommendations to congress. Congress adopted none of the recommendations. One of the simple recommendations was to require voters to present some form of ID to prove who they are, like many other countries do. Congress did not was to touch that one!
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u/M_H_M_F 27d ago
People think showing an ID at the poll is akin to a poll tax or a slippery slope to one.
TBH, I don't see anything wrong with matching the address on your ID to the one you're registered with (reasonable exceptions notwithstanding).
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u/RocketSocket765 27d ago
That's one of the main critique against requiring IDs (it's a poll tax). If the state charges someone $25 at the polls to vote or instead $25 at the DMV to get a state ID or driver's license so they can vote, the government is still charging them $25 to vote (i.e.,a poll tax). Lots of nasty history there of confederate states and racist northern state areas using the poll tax to disenfranchise racial minorities (and other groups disproportionately impoverished).
And then yeah, there's the process of getting an ID being more difficult for others for many reasons. I'm assuming any suggestions of "Okay, well, then maybe let's use tax money to give people free IDs so they can vote and make the process of getting one easier so it's not basically a poll tax" went fucking nowhere with the GOP as they don't actually want more diverse voters and are allergic to public tax money being spent unless it's going to billionaires.
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u/Equal_Sundae_8338 22d ago
my foreign born husband pointed out the thing about requiring IDs, most of those other countries issue you a lifetime ID. His was at around age 12 and you have it your whole life with a photo update at 18, but then that ID is you, forever. You donāt pay to update it or anything, unless you lose it.
You shouldnāt have to pay for something so integral to your existence in the country. It should be provided by tax dollars with no renewal.
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u/No_Pause_4375 27d ago
Kind of like how they're choosing to fuss about decorum rather than allow the people who actually have balls and are willing to face some blowback gain any sort of momentum
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u/tommessinger 26d ago
I agree completely. If they were to just admit there are flaws then we can all focus on fixing the election process instead of acting like everything is fine while everything burns to the ground.
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u/Just-Like-My-Opinion 27d ago
Find the evidence. Leak it globally. Sue/ have states file charges against them. Have the public demand the removal of this illegal admin. Reinstate the legitimate admin under Harris.
ETA: don't wait for dems to do anything about this. They're too afraid of "people losing trust in the voting system." It's too late for that, the people have to do this.
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u/dryeraser 27d ago
Easier said than done
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u/Just-Like-My-Opinion 27d ago
There are hundreds of millions of Americans, including ex CIA, FBI, citizen online sleuths, and we've all seen what Anon is doing right now. It can be done.
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u/Souledex 26d ago
And they havenāt found evidence yet. It may be out there, but if it was it would make news. These guys arenāt smart enough to do this well, their voters are just dumb enough to have elected them anyways.
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u/dandelionfuzzz2727 23d ago
https://electiontruthalliance.org/clark-county%2C-nv
https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean
Check the math yourselves and spread the word about what you find. Midterms are only 2 years away.
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u/GameDevsAnonymous 26d ago
I mean you want evidence, then spread this shit everywhere: https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis
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u/Persea_americana 26d ago
Yes, especially the Clark county report and this :Ā https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-cleanĀ these are not organic voting patterns. These patterns were not apparent in previous elections. The unbalanced drop-off, the variance between early voting and voting at the booth, and the way votes trend towards Trump in proportion to volume of votes are all red flags. It matches the discrepancy of down-ballot dems out-performing Kamala to such a degree in a sharp contrast to voter in previous elections trending toward straight ticket votesĀ https://www.vox.com/2024-elections/383197/kamala-harris-results-underperformed-democratic-senate-candidates
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u/RaspberryKay 27d ago
I want to travel to the counties that have weird data like Clark county and hand count the ballots. But I highly doubt they would let the public go in and do something like that.
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u/probably_carly 27d ago
This is being looked at, but the fact that the democrats didn't ask for recounts is bananas. Now we have president Musk and Donald doing fascist stuff because they don't actually have the power or backing to rule as president...
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u/andstayoutt 27d ago
Didnāt need the music , but this dude was right. All these āfraudsā they are finding in these government programs are just them injecting fraud into the system. lol we are cooking
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u/SpaceMonkey3301967 27d ago
They ABSOLUTELY did. Trump has now twice admitted it on live TV in his own, "Ooops. I forgot I wasn't supposed to say that aloud, but I need to brag" sort of way.
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u/Dangerae 27d ago
Let's add the bombs and bomb scares at multiple voting locations. Disenfranchised mail in ballots, and purged voting rosters.
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u/SpaceMonkey3301967 27d ago
I was born 3 30 1967 (as my name says. The SpaceMonkey part comes from me being in the movie Fight Club). I was born in Detroit City and lived through the Detroit riots as a baby as houses burned around me and as a kid saw my neighborhood men come back from Vietnam all shellshocked and fucked up solid. Still wearing their gear in grocery stores; just kinda wandering around.
I've seen some shit in my days as I'm about to turn 58. But, I have never seen America turned upside down like this before. I have always voted Democrat. It's sensible, and frankly, I rather like human beings over money. I make good money today working at a bank HQ, but I want to pull people up, not tear them down like Trump wants to do.
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u/Persea_americana 26d ago
Donāt forget Elonās buying votes with his million a day lottery/not lotteryĀ
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u/Souledex 26d ago
I mean the first time was sus or very easily could be a misinterpretation or bait by people who want to see it that way. The second time was people being fucking dumb and not listening to what he said cause he clearly was reiterating his claim that 2020 was fraudulent and that he won 2024 anyways.
If we have to deal with thousands of our own people being fucking stupid about what counts as evidence itās going to make momentum way harder if there ever is and your comment is literally proof of that. I hate him, I donāt think he should have been voted for, that doesnāt mean I donāt think we followed the trend of every developed country in the world last year and lost support for the incumbent party because of inflation. Data suggested he was likely to win harder than he did.
Bomb scares in Pennsylvania were actually a fucking problem, likely hard to trace to the campaign (if they were competent which they likely arenāt) so it very well could have been third party actors. Otherwise there is basically no evidence and claiming that there is way before we actually have any actively undermines our efforts to sell people when there is. Shit like the clip that spread last week will actively do that.
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u/Wild_Chef6597 27d ago
He didn't just cheat, but ran illegally.
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u/ActualDiver 27d ago
Yup. He was disqualified under Amendment 14, section 3 for being an insurrectionist.
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u/Bluefoz Millennial 27d ago
We was never tried and convicted for inciting insurrection.
US General Attorney Merrick Garland only opened the investigation after Trump had announced that he was going to run again, so Jack Smith had less than two years to build a case, and he had to hustle in order to gather the massive amount of testimonies and evidence. Had they only investigated, tried, and convicted Trump the moment they had the chance instead of trying to appease his voters by waiting, we might not have been here, because Trump sure as shit is an insurrectionist traitor to his country
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u/ERAWrestling 27d ago
Look, I can see why people think this guy's crazy, but my understanding is that Trump's performance among swing state voters who otherwise voted entirely Democrat down-ballot is a statistical impossibility on par with winning the lottery seven times. As this gentleman says in his video, Dems fear the "optics" more than anything, and decided that lying to us and saying "told ya so" is better than admitting our free and fair elections are anything but. Unacceptable.
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u/AffectionateDoor8008 27d ago
Do you have a source on that statistic? I donāt disbelieve it, but knowledge is power. as a Canadian watching trump win the election felt like witnessing all of America collectively shoot itself in the foot, and now seeing Canadian media report more on protests going on in your country than your media is.. yāall are in trouble, America careening towards and absolute plutocracy and itās horrifying to witness.
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u/Polyxeno 27d ago
Not that wording but this group is analyzing and has already reported more than enough to convince me: https://electiontruthalliance.org/
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u/Persea_americana 26d ago
The Clark county report from election truth alliance goes into great detail in one county, this is a good one looking at a multiple states:Ā https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean
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u/ERAWrestling 27d ago
Trying to find it but I might have gotten fake newsed myself. Happens to the best of us, sorry neighbor.
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u/Difficult_Hope5435 26d ago
I have seen statisticians say that about the odds are like winning the powerball so many times in a row.Ā
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u/Unlucky-Scallion1289 27d ago
Even if this guy says there is no evidence, there really is plenty of evidence. Thereās so much itās insane.
Even beyond the stolen election claims, we are in the midst of a coup. The inspector generals office cannot be reached specifically due to the firings. Our government and our very rights are being dismantled at a pace that would make Hitler jealous.
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u/Shambler9019 26d ago
I think he means no hard evidence. No recounts that show a tabulator hack.
That is, of course because the required recounts haven't happened.
As you say, there's plenty of statistical and circumstantial evidence.
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u/DiabloStorm 27d ago
Nobody going to mention the odds of taking every single swing state?
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u/emptyfish127 28d ago
I think they could have cheated but the statement Trump is make is not an admission of rigging the election. It is just the lie the the election in 2020 was tampered with. In his Trump brain that is what he means. This is also an example of his very poor communication skills.
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u/maychoz 27d ago
Agreed. I know for 1000% they stole this shit, because Iāve been following an army lieutenant & cybersecurity expert, and the group of election data analysis professionals heās been working with for months to compile the huge amount of abnormalities present (in swing states, mostly š¤)ā¦ But this was Trump communicating poorly as usual, so here, heās only inadvertently telling on himself / Elon. Heās trying to say something else.
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u/pete_blake 27d ago
The question is: ARE THE DEMS GOING TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT? I doubt it, they're too busy cowering in the corner with their thumbs up their butts...
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u/AdditionalBat393 27d ago
They justified it by thinking it was already rigged so it was a game to them. Who can rig it better wins. Musk was facing multiple investigations and Trump was facing prison. It's that simple they both had no other option
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u/zeroducksfrigate 27d ago
trump admitted it on television that the election was rigged in his favor..
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u/Thunder_Cock317 28d ago
Projection from the " powerful" it's just the way of america. From our priest down to school bullies, projecting their hatred so they don't have to internalize it. In my opinion, it's a cowardly way to live.
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u/Bushwhacker-XII 27d ago
We need paper ballots to count end of the story finish with the mail ballots one person one ballot no more rigged election!
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u/AndyTree23 26d ago
You'd think that wouldn't you? Feels right but that's the devious part of the plan. Genius really. The paper ballots that voters cast on election day are what allowed them to steal the election. It wasn't the mail in or computers being hacked that way. Did you know that when someone fills in their ballot and votes, that ballot is then scanned by a computer. That's how they count your vote and scan to make sure it was filled out properly. So you vote in person, paper ballot, but the counting of those ballots is done by scanning it into a machine. That's when the steal happens. The ballot gets scanned and the comprised tabulating machine (set up well ahead of time by the tech bros) pulls a switch a roo and changes your vote. That's fucking crazy. And no one knows unless you get a hold of the original paper ballots and count them by hand one at a time and compare it to what the tabulation machine recorded when it got counted and scanned. Very tough to do and only able to be down through the court system. Well there is a thing that if the results are within a small percentage a recount is triggered automatically but guess what. All 7 swing states just so happened to fall outside that margin to auto trigger a recount. Huh? What are the odds? Actually to only get 49% that trump did while winning all swing states outside the margin that would trigger a recount is practically impossible. Like winning the power bowl everyday for a week. Insane
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u/Opening-Two6723 27d ago
The other piece to this, don't be fooled to think dems aren't on musks payroll.
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u/MakkaCha 27d ago
For those that need to hear it: Foreign entities whether it be Russia, China, Israel, Iran etc are looking to sow discord in Americans and the democratic system we have. They take sides of both the right and left sides of the political parties. The ones that believe and act upon are the ones that are at most vulnerable, this happens to be the left at the moment since the loss and feeling of helplessness due to the overtake of executive power by Elon and losing both house and senate.
Stating these types of unsubstantiated claims as facts, does more harm than good. Unless there is concrete proof that election meddling aside form the run of the mill voter suppression happened, then we should abstain from conspiracies. These type of thinking breeds more extremism in both sides of the parties. We need at least one side that is sane.
This is not to say I discourage people to look for evidence but unless evidence is found, please stop posting shit like this.
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u/jennascend 27d ago
Thank you for saying this, I'm so tired of seeing these posts.Ā
Remember people, just because you're a Democrat or independent or liberal does not mean you're immune to propaganda. Without hard evidence, this IS propaganda.
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u/i-can-sleep-for-days 27d ago
I donāt want to be a conspiracy theorist. Letās see the lawsuits first.Ā
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u/Odd-Candidate131 27d ago
You're starting to sound like the Orange One from the last cycle. Doing this ourselves gives their ridiculous position credibility. Why lay in the gutter with them?
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u/maychoz 27d ago
You genuinely believe that because Trump lied about being cheated, cheating doesnāt exist, and certainly HE & Elon wouldnāt do it? Have you never heard of projection? Do you not know that cheaters very commonly accuse others of being the cheater?
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u/maychoz 27d ago
ElectionTruthAlliance.org has a YouTube channel with everything thatās been compiled so far (by an army lieutenant/ cybersecurity professional and the election data analysis experts at SmartElections.us) Theyāre filing for forensic audits in the most obviously affected precincts in - only swing states for some reasonā¦š¤
So you either care about free & fair elections, or you donāt. Itās entirely up to you.
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u/Odd-Candidate131 27d ago
Im just saying why perpetuate this with another unsubstantiated comment? There are more important issues to be addressed at this point. We are wasting valuable time and resources bickering about cheats. That fight is now over and we cant let it happen again. Lets do something that is productive
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u/core916 28d ago
lol. Dude literally sounds like all the MAGA people after the 2020 election. āI have no proof but it happenedā. Like come on. We call maga conspiracy theorists yet itās okay when the democrats do the same? Be better people.
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u/dryeraser 28d ago
Did you watch the whole video?
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u/GogglesPisano 27d ago
You mean the part where he says, "Trust me, bro?"
Yeah, that really nailed it.
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u/Wealth_Super 26d ago
I did and his biggest argument is that the Republican s are still angry despite winning which shouldnāt be a surprise since their entire movement is base on anger and a couple of videos of trump speaking which while suspicious, we should also remember that this guy lies constantly and is also not all there mentally (drink bleach and nuke a hurricane anyone)
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u/DisastrousSet11 27d ago
But there is proof, even if the guy in the video himself has no proof. And the fact is that there were also some interesting things about the 2020 election as well. Check out r/somethingiswrong2024
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u/animalree 25d ago
Unlike MAGA in 2020, democrats have actual data to back up their claims that the 2024 election was rigged.
Below is a summary of findings from swing states NV and PA, and this is just from the ETAās independent analysis. Youāll notice many others dropping links with even more data from other swing states indicating that this election was fishyāplease also check those out. Findings are emerging in real timeākeep in mind weāre still only a few months out from the election, and these things take time. To go one step further, the ETAās findings surrounding the Russian tail effect are also present in election data from 2020 to a lesser effect, yet again benefiting MAGA . Meaning that Trump likely also tried to cheat then, STILL lost, and thatās why he so vehemently insists that the election was stolen.
Summary of ETA Analysis:
The Election Truth Alliance (ETA) did a deep dive into the 2024 election data in Clark County, NV, and Pennsylvania. They found some weird statistical patterns, particularly in early voting, that they say deserve investigation. Unlike Trumpās 2020 election fraud claimsāwhich were based on conspiracy theories and thrown out in court for lack of evidenceāETA actually presents data-driven analysis using publicly available Cast Vote Records (CVRs) and documented election system vulnerabilities.
In Clark County, they found:
ā¢ Voting anomalies in early voting: When ballots were processed in batches over 250, results skewed significantly towards Trump in a way that doesnāt match expected human voting behavior. ā¢ Drop-off vote discrepancies: Trump had a much higher drop-off rate (votes for president but not for down-ballot races) than Harris, and the pattern was more pronounced in swing states. ā¢ Statistical oddities: They observed something called a āRussian Tail,ā a term used in election forensics to identify potential vote manipulation.In Pennsylvania, they highlighted:
ā¢ Widespread machine errors: 20 of 67 counties reported tabulation issues, most linked to ES&S and Dominion voting machinesātwo systems known to have security vulnerabilities. ā¢ Suspicious drop-off trends: In 17 of the 20 counties that had machine issues, Harris received fewer votes than the Democratic Senate candidate (Bob Casey), which is unusual. ā¢ Disruptions on Election Day: Bomb threats caused polling place evacuations, adding chaos to the vote-counting process.How this is different from Trumpās 2020 claims:
1. They use actual public election data. ETA bases its findings on Cast Vote Records and machine reports rather than wild accusations about dead voters and rigged machines without proof. 2. They focus on statistical anomalies, not conspiracy theories. The claims arenāt just āsomeone told me the election was stolenā; theyāre based on observable, verifiable patterns in voting data. 3. Theyāre calling for investigation, not declaring a stolen election. Unlike Trumpās team, which just screamed fraud, ETA is saying, āHey, this looks off, letās dig deeper.āBasically, while Trumpās 2020 claims were courtroom roadkill, ETA is taking a more analytical approach, highlighting inconsistencies and demanding verification rather than outright claiming fraud. Whether or not this leads to anything, at least itās grounded in data rather than baseless claims.
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u/RealNotFake 27d ago
I'm just gonna throw this out there... did anyone else get a machine error when submitting their ballot? I submitted mine and got an error, asked the poll worker to take a look, and she kind of shrugged and said it was fine. I haven't heard this happening to others but might as well just share my experience. It didn't give me a great feeling that my vote was counted.
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u/Thr33Knuckl3sD33p 27d ago
Trump is a literal fucking idiot and it's been showcased far too many times. But with that said you have to be able to see he meant they (democrats) rigged the election (2020) and that he's the president (now). I've said this countless times but here I go again, Trump didn't win and Kamala didn't lose...VOTER SUPPRESSION WAS THE REAL WINNER.
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u/lilangelkm 27d ago
I 100% believe Trump and Musk stole the election..and I know they say outlandish things so often it makes your head spin...However, I'm personally confused as to why the clips at the end of his video here have been used as evidence or rationale to this theory. When I heard it, I deduced that Trump was saying his normal BS about how the Dems stole the 2020 election, so because there was a 4 year gap, he gets to be president for the Olympics and the World Cup. I just want to make sure the liberal logic, evidence, and rationale is sound so we don't sound like crazy conspiracy theorists. Again, I believe they ate the election, but I'm unsure THESE omissions were actual omissions by Trump. Am I missing something?
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u/Agitated-Hair-987 27d ago
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u/asevans48 27d ago
Technically, elon was a massive super pac. This really sets a bad precident for the likes of the NRA, christian fascists (one of whom is indoctrinating speaker johnson as he lives in their home), and aipac. Its actually a transparent view of why pacs should be illegal and we should provide set funding for campaigns. K street broke the system. Everyone does it. Republicans just happen to be far worse in terms of what is being funded.
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u/Inner-Egg-6731 27d ago
Dumb ass Trump all but admitted as much during a speech thankful Elon knows how to work those computer's in Pennsylvania I believe.
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u/No_Pause_4375 27d ago
It wasn't stolen. It was sold to the highest bidder.
I remember immediately after the election, all these news outlets ran stories with headlines like, "And while there is absolutely no doubt about who won the election...."
Like, excuse me? Why are all these news outlets proclaiming this as though it's a fact that's been thoroughly verified? The results weren't even all in yet! And what about all those bullet ballots in swing counties? Saw one or two stories about them and then not a peep. Just vanished.
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u/Solarwinds-123 26d ago
The "bullet ballot" theory ended up being thoroughly discredited by Snopes, and was retracted by the guy who came up with it. His numbers were off by double or triple.
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u/New_Dust_2380 27d ago
We have been saying this for 5 years. Of course they stole the election. Duh! What did Biden and Harris do about it? Not a thing! They knew. The real scandal here is why were Biden, Harris, and all the democrats complicit!?
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u/ALEXC_23 27d ago
Welcome to America, where the votes donāt matter and the rules donāt make sense!
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u/bruceleet7865 27d ago
Proof of this election fraud or STFUā¦
If all you have is feelings or conspiracy theories then we are no better then the J6ers
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u/Sleepy_pond 27d ago
This needs to go viral. More people need to be discussing this openly. They need to be investigated. This isnāt even a conspiracy at this point.
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u/1suckmytRump 27d ago
and you forgot the Madison Square Garden Nazi Rally when tRump said āIāve got a big secret, Iām not supposed to talk about it ā. That right there I knew it was right. I always knew they all cheated Harris out of the White House ! FDT
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u/Final_Ad_9636 27d ago
"The revolution will be bloodless if the left alllows it to be"... Kevin roberts it's all so fucking sickening š«
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u/TheRimmerodJobs 27d ago
Just stop. So there was no way the democrats could have cheated 4 years ago and that people needed to get over it but now it is (D)ifferent.
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u/Lucky_Guess4079 27d ago
Agreed 100%! Itās just PATHETIC that the democrats have LET IT HAPPEN! Just PATHETIC!
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u/micheal_pices 27d ago
I noticed a few weeks before the election that it seemed like trump stopped campaigning seriously. Babbling worse than his usual nonsense, dancing a lot and requesting music? And then after that he won? It was very strange.
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u/colcourtney 27d ago
I'm with you. The biggest trick the republicans have pulled is making everyone else think this a such a conspiracy we won't say it out load. I believe the election was rigged and stollen too. Every crowd at a Kamala's rally. The post office compromised. Musk's influence in the election.The voter suppression tactics. Even Donald telling us all he didn't need the votes. And... After the election that we'd never need to vote again. COME ON!!!
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u/Time_Difference_6682 27d ago
ok ok so they cheated, what about the confidence of the people in the governing body? I can handle America not being the best anymore but how can we go on knowing that its all a sham? Will I be a traitor to this country if I say I want nothing to do with it?
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u/undeterred_turtle 27d ago
I'm not one for conspiracy theories and I don't know for sure if the election was rigged or not. BUT here is what happened when I went to go vote in a swing state who went for Trump, but blue mostly otherwise.
It was the final day of early voting, the sunday before election day; sunny and pleasant out. The line was a healthy length, I was probably 40th in a line of almost 100 people. The line stops moving and then a lady comes out of the fire station that was functioning as the polling station announcing something over and over as she moves further back along the line. When I can finally hear, she says the power just went out at the polling station, (holding a phone to her ear) but she was on the phone with the power company at that moment.
This polling station was within easy walking distance of a substation as well as where I lived. Texted a family member to see if we lost power; we didn't. Next, about 20 minutes later, same lady comes out doing the rounds again - it was reported that a car hit a powerline poll, causing the outage. And now there seemed to be partial power; the tabulators were on, but no lights and no connection to the internet so still can't vote yet. She reminded us that we could also leave and vote on actual election day at city hall.
Finally, about 45 minutes after the power went out, DPW (which had an office ALSO within walking distance, shows up with portal generators. LITERALLY the minute they arrive with the generators, *click* powers back on. I saw them take a big generator that needed two people to carry it off the back of the truck, walk it to the door, then stop short and set it down as they're being told it's now unnecessary.
I remember later being told by someone else it was a tree that fell on a powerline. I was unsuccessful in finding any information about the outage at all. Probably 20 or so people left the line due to not being able to wait over the course of this but were replaced by many, many more people getting in to line.
This is entirely circumstantial. Seriously odd, but circumstantial.
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u/ReddittAppIsTerrible 27d ago
But what about actually real stuff like Twitter Files and FB admission.
This is why nobody cares what Democrats think, feel, or say anymore.
They cherry pick to a ridiculous degree by not even commenting on anything BUT their agenda.
Truly pathetic.
Any evidence sweet cheeks we got ours!!!!
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u/Bluefish787 27d ago
That was the only thing I could think of the day after the election. I sat in Kyiv in my friend's kitchen dumbfounded for over half an hour. Then I started looking online to see if there were any challenges or irregularities. No one was doing a thing. It was like the dems turned into catatonic children, just letting the oaf take over.
It was not a time to be the "bigger person", we should not have conceded until recounts were done in all 5 swing states. If they are going to accuse us of bat shit crazy stuff - and BELIEVE IT, why not just be the assholes they think we are. It's not time for unity and kumbaya shit, it's time to save what is left of democracy, put measures in place that will not allow this to happen again, even if that means we lose some of our liberties. Otherwise this orange baffoon and those like him will dismantle everything and we will have no liberties at all.
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u/IncreaseOk8433 27d ago
It's far easier to wrap your head around if you don't think of it as 'stealing the Presidential election'
In simple terms, all they had to do was stay a few points ahead which is exactly what they did.
I've got no conspiracy theorist tendencies and don't believe in any of that insanity, but I 100% unequivocally believe they tampered with the results.
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u/rmac1228 26d ago
20 million isn't the number, it went down...they continued counting. Until we have proof, we sound like Qanon and MAGA
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u/alstonm22 26d ago
So now when minorities and women keep voting in republicans the whole system is rigged? But when they vote for dems the voting system is working properly?
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u/LovelyRealOne 26d ago
I agree. Itās crazy how Elon said in an interview heād be arrested if Kamala won š¤ the ballotproof code made by a DOGE minion. projection, how it was done
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u/ElonStinksLikeDookie 26d ago
Absolutely agree. Texas alone should have been blue, no way Cruz won either
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u/Halfmass 26d ago
Probably let him have it for now because he would make the same decisions as Cersei under the trial of the sparrows. Gave away enough intel for it to be plausible.
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u/DoItOurDamnSelves 26d ago
They did steal it... With thrown out votes and election interference: https://www.gregpalast.com/
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u/PrincessCyanidePhx 26d ago
Democrats are complicit. Both parties have been compromised by the oligarchy.
The trap is thinking the Democrats are still working for the people
Follow election truth alliance on YouTube. They have statistics showing proof
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u/Mission_Bed_3910 26d ago
Ok. But. And I'm not on his side. But what's the full context for those clips? (I fully believe he falsely won)
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u/pink_faerie_kitten 26d ago
I'm glad more people are catching on.
One fallout from EI is non Americans, from countries I support like Canada and Denmark and France, are swarming reddit saying all Americans are guilty, even those they know didn't vote for T. It really ticks me off since I don't believe T won in the first place, and he certainly didn't win my vote or the vote of blue states, but I'm told I'll be personally remembered as any German in 1933.
Thanks, Kamala, for not contesting. Thanks so fucking much.
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u/Royal-Silver7080 26d ago
If you are in a swing state I encourage you to 1) make sure your ballot was counted and 2) organize and demand paper audits.
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u/MentalThoughtPortal 26d ago
1 million upvotesā¦.and this makes sense w the whole tesla commetcial todayā¦they have a lil secretā¦don owes him big time
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u/Dangerous_Midnight91 26d ago
Wellā¦ I think that too! Butā¦ If you didnāt have a smoking gun on inauguration day, would you still present your beliefs? Would you have stopped him from taking office? What if you also believed doing so would tear this country apart immediately? Orā¦ would you, as a former prosecutor, continue to build your case? Would you bide your time until a smoking gun is available? Would there even be a smoking gun? I donāt know what Iād do, but whatever it would be would have consequences that no one could predictā¦
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u/toolsalesman 26d ago
Oh Iāll say it! Iāve been saying it since it happened! Then these videos have been popping up where his addled brain says the quiet mart out loud and Iām like wtf! He admitted it twice! I could understand if he said it once where it could be thought that his dementia meant THEY (as in the dems) rigged the FIRST one, but no this a55 said it again! I think they didnāt need to hack anything tho. Through the Orwellian named EIN (election integrity network)(run by Cleta Mitchell who tried to help trump overturn the 2020 election including on the call with Brad Raffensperger) (as well as other schemes) ran or was high up in FreedomWorks whichās aim is to disenfranchise voters by challenging their voter registration. A election analyst thinks that this group plus several others could have blanket challenged hundreds of thousands of voters and lots may never know if their challenge to their voter registration succeeded or not. Aka a lot of people in Penn think their vote counted and it didnāt. And if it happened in PA guaranteed it happened in all the swing states!!! Plus remember when trump kept saying to his supporters BEFORE the election that they didnāt even need to vote cause they had enough already?!! wtf!!! I wholeheartedly believe it was stolen and they donāt plan on letting it ever be free again! The dems have to win Ssssssssoooo massively in the midterms that itās cheat proof or weāll never be in power again!
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u/BannedbyDemons 26d ago
Yet, Meidas Touch, for some reason, accused Jessica Denson of "magical thinking" on believing there was cheating by maga in the 2024 election which is why she left the network because they would not allow her to shine a spotlight on it. Perhaps they are afraid of being shut down for investigating it. Kind of strange that we had no ninja audits or multiple recounts this time.
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u/In_1989 26d ago
There is a video on YouTube, I can find the link. But it is a group that purely looks into election issues on a really deep data level. They donāt really come out and say it but implied quite heavily that without some form of technological assistance, there is no way he could have won.
Also the starlink outages in every swing state that day is wildly fishy. Not to mention Donald saying āElon knows these voting machines better than anyoneā then Elon himself telling Tucker Carlson that if Trump didnt win heād be going to prison.
Way too many things donāt add up. On top of that Kamala would go to Georgia and take huge arenas and pack them to the rafters, while Trumps crowds in those same states were half full.
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u/tommessinger 26d ago
I think they cheated in the 2020 election also.. they just didn't cheat hard enough. That's why he was having a tantrum about stolen elections for four years. This time they cheated harder to win.
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u/JessieinPetaluma 26d ago
I think this exact thing, too. I get told that Iām a tinfoil hat. Or ājust like them.ā But it REEKS. It just doesnāt add up. Neither does that so obviously staged shooting in PA. These people are LUNATIC FASCIST NAZIS. Theyād do ANYTHING to gain power. And they did. Thatās what I believe.
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u/AnyBit4421 25d ago
No shit they stole the election. Also, the proof exists. Just look. Hell, itās all over social media. And especially Reddit. Check out r/somethingiswrong r/thelib and r/occupydemocrats. Among others.
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u/AnyBit4421 25d ago
And check out Dire Talks on YouTube
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u/AnyBit4421 25d ago
Also, everyone has been saying this since the election happened. Trump the obvious cheater was accused of cheating and countless mountains of evidence piled up and keep piling up. He kept it out of the media mostly but it was blindingly obvious from the beginning to people who were looking.
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u/theIrishKitt 25d ago
Mango Mussolini and cut-rate Bruce Wayne have slipped up and admitted it more than once. But the way they speak makes it plausible that it wasn't any kind of admission.
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u/EmiliahtheOne 25d ago
What do you mean most likely? They admitted to it three times now. It's a fact.
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u/Material-Scheme-8971 25d ago
Donāt forget before the election, donald telling his lobby sized crowds āI dont even need your votes, we already have enoughā.
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u/Jrylryll 25d ago
He just said out loud what we all think. Even here in Miss Lindsey country we knew it was bullshit. But what were the democrats thinking? Donāt question the election because what? Trump and fElon are so above this? When AI was still a baby I remember musk discussing the perils if in the wrong hands. Even though at that time I actually thought he was visionary, I believed his was the wrong hands.
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u/Ransackeld 25d ago
The most damning clip is trump saying elon knows āvote counting machinesā in Pennsylvania and so āwe ended up winning Pennsylvania in a landslideā.
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u/Opposite_Finish6766 25d ago
I agree it def needs to be looked into! It seems highly likely it was stolen and Iām not one to be on the side of the orange nazi but I believe in those videos heās saying the last election was āriggedā (when Biden won) so now he gets to be president again nowww for the World Cup. Heās still a pos and shouldnāt be president but ya know.. gotta be factual. Someone has to be!!!
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u/Ok-System-7902 24d ago
Itās just obvious to me. Why isnāt someone more prominent talking to us about this? Gaaaaaaah.
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u/Ok-System-7902 24d ago
The mystery is why no Democrat is bringing this up. Not one. Is it cowardice or complicity. The people need to know.
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u/cstrand31 28d ago edited 27d ago
The way Elon is allowed to traipse around inside the bowels of government, fucking shit up at will, being flown around in Air Force one, holding cabinet meetings and press conferences while Tramp sits silently like a beat dog, soaking up billions in government contracts just all feels like heās being repaid for a rigging. Canāt prove it, but man does it all smell fishy.