r/newyork • u/Kindly_Ice1745 • 2d ago
NY needs to take this step
https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
Seems like the first step in an economic decoupling of the US.
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u/Do-Si-Donts 2d ago
I mean fuck it. If the constitution isn't in effect anymore, we might as well take advantage of that.
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u/PenImpossible874 1d ago
This is it. Because the feds have already broken all of the laws, the laws are no longer in effect. If they don't follow the laws that they created, neither must we.
r/NYEXIT if you want to live in a country with rule of law and fair/transparent elections.
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u/nomadluna 1d ago
So happy a movement like this is building. Trump really signaled the end of the country. We’re no longer united and I don’t want to live under the rules of right wing maniacs
I also don’t give a shit if this is what Russia or China wants. The right is too stupid to see that so fuck it.
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u/PenImpossible874 1d ago
The other thing is that if you look at California and Cascadia's movements, those started in the 1970s-1990s. That was well before Putin came to power.
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u/jcjnyc 2d ago
New York should very seriously start considering joining Canada.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 2d ago
Canada would basically have a permanent liberal government with NYC included in the country. Toronto and NYC would basically outvote like 75% of the country.
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u/iusedtobekewl 2d ago
Sounds good to me lol
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u/daggerdude42 1d ago
Lol ask the Canadians how they like their very liberal government
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u/iusedtobekewl 1d ago
Umm… they are dominating in the polls right now and the conservative party is projected to lose.
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u/daggerdude42 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah and their economy is just thriving rn...
If you thought things were bad here, try getting a job or buying a house in canada. Their employment rate is 50% worse in the current moment.
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u/iusedtobekewl 1d ago
These all have solutions though, and clearly Canadians don’t have faith in their conservative party.
In any event, in the US Liberal counties contribute more to GDP than GOP-run counties. The political landscape and ideological foundations in the US are shifting as well.
The book Abundance is making the rounds in liberal circles, and it explicitly explains these problems and their solutions; the solution to the housing crisis is to simply build more housing.
Other books I would advise reading are Why Nations Fail as well as Keynesian economics and Milton Friedman.
If memory serves correctly, Cory Booker referenced both Abundance and Why Nations Fail in his marathon speech earlier this week.
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u/mji6980-4 2d ago
Throw in New England and NJ while we’re at it
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u/iusedtobekewl 2d ago
We should join with New England and apply to join Canada lol
MAGA hates us and thinks we are a socialist hell hole? Let’s see how well they do without our tax dollars subsidizing their states, and how well they do without the world’s largest stock exchange.
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u/BonusCommentAccount 21h ago
So when Texas wanted to seceded from Biden's America, it was stupid and brass, but when NY wants to secede from Trump's America it's a no brainer?
If Democrats did anything but cry, they could have fought back on Trump without giving up and looking into seceding, but they didn't.
I don't want to be a part of Canada, I want my country to be better and I'm sick of our pussy ass loser leaders who care more about not reporting gun violence and winning elections than fixing problems
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u/jcjnyc 17h ago
Well, I feel your anger. I took a pitchfork to the protests today.
Democrats put forward a totally reasonable candidate. The American people didn't want her.
They wanted this. And it is only going to get worse. Much, much worse.Man, I love America. I really do. I well-up every time I hear the chants of USA at the Olympics. I have loved growing my family and building my business here.
But I think America, and specifically the American people are going down. This is going to destroy us. And there is almost nothing that can be done about it at this point.
New York though - New York Could make a different choice. We could get out and save ourselves - and honestly - save whats worth saving about America.
Finally - I was all for Texas seceding.
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u/BonusCommentAccount 1h ago
Democrats put forward a candidate who was massively disliked before Biden was even nominated. Then they hit swapped her in 3 months before the election and did nothing to campaign besides the same "We're not Trump" argument.
They did a horrible job and Kamala was not a good candidate.
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u/PenImpossible874 2d ago
Call Hochul and ask that she ask foreign nations for exemptions from foreign tariffs, and to create trade deals between NY and these countries: (212) 681-4580
Also join r/NYEXIT
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u/rowsella 1d ago
While she is at it, oust Adams from his mayoral seat. Let's see him run without incumbency.
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u/SportsFanBUF 2d ago
US had a good run, guess it’s time for civil war part 2
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 2d ago
Arguably, the first civil war never ended, and we've just been in a cold war for the past 160 years. That the confederate leaders weren't executed as traitors, and basically the entire south wasn't burned to the ground, is the reason we're in this situation.
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u/Striper_Cape 2d ago
Nah, not the entire South. Just needed to execute the Confederate Leaders, scatter their ashes into the middle of the Atlantic, then the slaveowners who rebelled and their families. Sounds cold af but clearly letting people live after they try to steal half a country so they can own people is a bad idea.
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u/SnooKiwis2161 2d ago
I have thought the same for a long. I can't remember if this is something Sun Tzu discusses. I know I've heard the theory somewhere - that you must crush your enemy completely or risk a return over time.
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u/cap_oupascap 2d ago
Yes. Always finish your antibiotics course, even if you start “feeling better,” lest they evolve.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 2d ago
The fact that we didn't is 100% a root cause of our issues today. If only Lincoln hadn't been assassinated, I'm sure reconstruction would have went far differently.
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u/SportsFanBUF 2d ago
Big truth, feel like that’s a huge reason why people think the south won (long term)
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 2d ago
Though, if they hadn't compromised on reconstruction, maybe things would have turned out differently, but we'll never know.
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u/MasterofAcorns 2d ago
Thank you so much, Andrew Johnson /s
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 2d ago
VP from the south deciding not to hold the South accountable for treason kills the country 160 years later.
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u/BonusCommentAccount 21h ago
Texas and Florida would win because NY and CA all but disarmed the public
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u/Particular_Row_8037 1d ago
Our governor doesn't have a backbone. She has a history of bowing down to corporations. She didn't even fire the mayor. On top of that look what you did to the right to repair law. She's a joke.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
Considering the corporations are going to lose so much money, when nobody can afford to purchase any of their goods, it seems like they'd have the motivation to mobilize against this.
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u/SwiftySanders 2d ago
We should just become our own country? The New England States
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 2d ago
That'd work. Add NJ, MD, and DE. Maybe take out NH since they're far more libertarian and conservative than the rest of the region.
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u/PenImpossible874 1d ago
If you don't like it when fundie red staters tell you what to do, don't tell New Englanders what to do.
They've already made it clear they don't want to secede just be in the same country as us. We need to respect that.
Southerners need to respect us, but at the same time we need to respect New Englanders and Indigenous New Yorkers.
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u/N7Longhorn 1d ago
Honestly, the Northern States (New England, NY, NJ and Penn) should join the west coast and ask to become Canadian. The Military and economic strength of those states would easily be able to oppose any retaliation from the Christian United States. I'd bet Illinois would come too.
The problem is you'd see a mass exodus of people as refugees from what's left of the US. There's alot of Blue mega cities south of the Mason Dixon.
The easy route would be to ya know, prevent this by impeachment. But then you'd have to just convince JD Vance to not be a single berry
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u/fastlifeblack 1d ago
My first uneducated thought was “aren’t there federal commerce laws that prevent this” but… fuck it. Laws dont even matter anymore…
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's unfortunate. But why should NY hamstring themselves when the feds are actively subverting the laws.
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u/Defiant-Power2447 2d ago
Sorry New York! Kathy is too busy trying to ban masks at the moment.
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u/Suitable_Leg_6594 2d ago
Lmao I hate it here
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u/Able_Ad_7747 2d ago
That's fine as long as you don't hate Israel
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u/Defiant-Power2447 1d ago
Didn't you know the biggest problem with Trump's tariffs is that they are actually anti-Semitic?
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u/Supersamtheredditman 1d ago
NY should create an economic bloc with New England, NJ, Pennsylvania, and other northern states.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
No to Pennsylvania. They voted Trump 2 out of 3 times. Outside of Philly, Pittsburgh, and State College, that state is basically Alabama.
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u/Freepi 1d ago
I’ve never thought rural PA and rural NY were all that different.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
They're not, but rural NY doesn't have the political power that rural PA does, so they don't really impact state level policy as much.
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u/Teebone1234 1d ago
I could see New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts doing this as a block.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
Rhode island and Maine, too. Probably Vermont.
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u/Teebone1234 1d ago
Yes, I was wondering about Rhode Island and Maine. I think Vermont is a definite
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u/Jealous_Disaster_738 1d ago
Those spineless coward gop congress should take action take the power to decide tariff rate from this maniac.
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u/Flat-Leg-6833 1d ago
Too many MAGATs on Lawn Guyland that the Dems are afraid of for some reason.
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u/rowsella 1d ago
Those people are all planning to move to FL eventually anyway. They can leave early. We can send a bus caravan of them down....
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u/MaxxHeadroomm 1d ago
How can Newsom do this? Legit asking how a state can negotiate with another country to bypass national tariffs. Looking for logistics not politics if possible
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u/RustBeltWriter 1d ago
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
Naw, PA, MI, and WI are the reason we're facing this nonsense. They can remain while the blue states leave.
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u/RustBeltWriter 1d ago
Country was broken and on the way off a cliff long before this past election. Trump just sped up the downfall.
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u/rowsella 1d ago
We can partition the part of PA East of Philly.... just cut off that portion along 76.
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u/Provolone10 1d ago
States like Kentucky will continue down their path of destruction and wonder why they continue to lose.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
They'll just blame it on minorities and trans people and keep voting Republican.
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u/HeartShapedBox7 22h ago
I think that is the honest logical step. Already a bill has been proposed in NY to stop paying federal taxes if the federal government withholds funding to the State. It would be great if NY did both!
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u/Clean_Lettuce9321 2d ago
Somebody's got to do something
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u/PenImpossible874 1d ago
Do this yourself: Call Hochul and ask that she ask foreign nations for exemptions from foreign tariffs, and to create trade deals between NY and these countries: (212) 681-4580
Also join r/NYEXIT
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u/rowsella 1d ago
Since ElonTrump just siphoned/clawed back billions of dollars out of our medicaid accounts, I don't think it will be a hard sell.
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u/Bilbo_Bagseeds 2d ago
A lot of people concerned about foreign meddling in american domestic affairs seem fine with it when it's countries they personally like
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u/prince_morsh 2d ago
At this point, the entire northeast needs to band together and negotiate with Canada.
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u/Delicious_Oil9902 1d ago
It’d be great if NY and California did this maybe with a handful of other states. It’s probably unconstitutional in one way or another
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u/Horror_Violinist5356 1d ago
This is a violation of the Logan Act and California will be punished accordingly.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
When are we going to punish Trump for ignoring the law?
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u/Airhostnyc 1d ago
Judges are literally going against Trump everyday, yall don’t read lmao
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
And yet, they continue to defy the rulings, lol. Clearly, you're missing that aspect of those rulings.
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u/Airhostnyc 1d ago
We have ample check and balances. Trump is pushing boundaries but that’s why we have a democracy. Did the birthright citizenship end? A judge paused the ending of TPS of Venezuelans. We have stop gap measures that’s working.
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u/Airhostnyc 1d ago
Even the protestor who green card was revoked was allowed to have his trial in New Jersey versus Louisiana. Which is more favorable to him even though the Trump admin wanted a red state.
I know people are freaking out with SOME valid concerns but too many are going off the cliff with conspiracies and choosing to ignore factual events that goes against their own beliefs of total collapse
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u/rowsella 1d ago
Since when did anyone care about the Logan Act? Trump was breaking it on the regular throughout the Biden admin. Didn't Adams just get pardoned?
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u/Horror_Violinist5356 19h ago
The left sure cared about it when they got General Flynn to resign over it.
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u/TieMelodic1173 1d ago
As long as the red Long Island can stay.
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u/rowsella 1d ago
Staten Island and Red Long Island can be sorted. There are ferries, buses, planes, trains and automobiles... we will even give them a break on the Thruway and bridge fees.
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u/262Mel 1d ago
Something like this is already starting in Erie County. They’re calling it “The Niagara 8”. It’s a group of mayors and county executives. https://www4.erie.gov/exec/press/erie-county-partners-new-niagara-8-highlight-damage-tariffs-do-border-communities
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u/Ok_Assistant475 1d ago
Uhhh but what about all the military bases scattered around with young lads from all different states? That’s so scary to think about what our military would do or be commanded to do. Like way too big of a thing to be so supportive of. :(
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u/rmullig2 1d ago
Governors cannot waive tariffs on goods coming into the country. This is just Gavin Newsom begging other countries not to slap tariffs on goods produced in California. There is no reason given as to why other countries would exempt California made products from tariffs.
In other words, doing this is a waste of time and just a way for Newsom to try to get his name into the news with a positive story.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
Worth a shot. The economy is going to crater, so extreme efforts seem pretty necessary.
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u/haragoshi 1d ago
Is this how the NCR gets started?
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u/homer2101 12h ago
There's no decoupling. It's California lobbying foreign governments to exclude areas where they have a disproportionate share of the US export market from tariffs, just as some foreign governments are currently targeting products made by Republican-majority states. Yes. NY should do the same, but it's not decoupling and isn't even new.
Newsom is directing his state to pursue "strategic" relationships with countries announcing retaliatory tariffs against the U.S., urging them to exclude California-made products from those taxes.
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u/ohyeahlookitsaTRUCK 2d ago
Yea, 7 trillion? From where don?
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 2d ago
The middle and lower class, of course. Someone's gotta pay the for the tax cuts to the billionaires.
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u/westchesteragent 2d ago
How is this possible when trade is exclusively under the federal gov?
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 2d ago
Considering the constitution is being ignored by the executive, states gotta start protecting their interests.
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u/westchesteragent 1d ago
I'm all for it I just don't get how that's even possible if we are still under the federal gov... They control the border too... Isn't that where the tarrifs are collected?
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
Didn't Trump create some external revenue service to collect tariffs, even though that's a customs thing. So who knows.
What these other countries could do is exempt products manufactured/grown/processed in specific states.
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u/Freepi 1d ago
Trump is ignoring the constitution because the Judicial branch’s enforcement mechanisms are executed by the Executive branch, which he controls, and the Republican Congress will not impeach him for not enforcing court decisions. California is not in the same position to flout the Judicial branch.
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u/Kindly_Ice1745 1d ago
The same principle applies. Who is going to enforce it. The US needs California far more than California needs them, so I wouldn't be shocked to see them simply ignore them.
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u/Aven_Osten 2d ago
I hope people seriously supporting secession is ready to die in a civil war.
There is no peaceful secession of states. It's only going to happen via violence.
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u/PenImpossible874 1d ago
That's not true. Slovenia seceded from Yugoslavia before it got violent. Brazil peacefully seceded from Portugal.
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u/mixmaster7 1d ago
Slovenia had a 10 day war with Serbia. And the only reason it wasn't longer was because they had Croatia and Bosnia between them.
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u/NYCHW82 2d ago
Agreed. We're the world's 10th largest economy. California is the 5th. That's significant economic heft