Putting someone in a psychiatric ward is not criminalizing suicide. It's a precaution to save lives. What do you think he would do if they just immediately released him? I've been committed by the police. Sucks and feels like a punishment at the time, but it saved my life and was 1000x better than a jail cell.
I mean, it was either that or I was going to jail for underage drinking and causing a scene. They were very kind to me there, I just don't handle feeling trapped well. Most people having a psychotic break like that are glad to have survived once they get help. Also, keep in mind that suicide doesn't only affect the person doing it.
That. It’s a snippet in time where the deprivation of liberty can be the liberating thing someone needs. Have the need of control over your life and decision-making taken away and be cared for without any expectations put on you.
Probably not the best idea to have someone who suicidal let’s say drive a vehicle on the highway if you pose a threat to society or yourself you will be locked away lol
I’m meaning that the treatment you receive at psych facilities shouldn’t feel punitive. Mine was basically jail and the staff members uncaring even though I was as easy of a patient as it gets. Even tho I checked my own self in.
I'm sorry that happened, it's very facility dependent.
I obviously don't know the workers who cared for you but I will say psych is a very dangerous profession and many facilities just flat out don't support their staff. They get beat up over and over again and there is effectively zero recourse. This leads to extreme burnout and honestly some PTSD and distrust.
With that being said, it's not an excuse. Reading things like this makes me truly appreciate how good of a program my local hospitals have.
The crazy thing that stood out was so many staff members being way more mentally unhealthy than we were. Like not far away from a full breakdown themselves. I understand that’s why they treated us like that. I know administration is usually always to blame. How are they supposed to help people in that state?
Incredibly mentally unstable people who aren’t there willingly. Of course they ave to follow strict, jail like, protocol. Otherwise they wouldn’t be able to keep the place functioning properly
Idk, they could do something big by separating the incredibly mentally unstable people there by force from those who have recognized they are not okay and checked themselves in willingly, and have protocols that address both populations, instead of having to treat everyone worse than dog. My facility was also really dirty with nurses fighting behind the desk in front of the whole ward. It was a government insurance funded hospital. These wards are just money grabbers, they don’t actually help people. I still have nightmares two years later. I have visited so many psych hospitals in my dreams. Luckily the dreams have finally lessened in severity and quantity but it was definitely traumatic to be going through the worst time in your life, check yourself in, only to realize they are going to treat you more like a badly behaved child than a full grown adult seeking real help.
Local hospitals in my area do that. Everyone is on one unit together, but if someone is extremely agitated or acute they are separated off from everyone else until they are stable.
This would all take manpower lots of hours funding planning all things that are very hard to do with people who are incredibly sporadic and have psychotic behaviour I get where you’re coming fromI wish they could treat them better too but it’s just the reality of the mentally ill there’s not much you can do with them but protect them from themselves
I was bakered for ideation without intention. I missed my scheduled therapy the next day because I got there after doctors went home. Incredibly upsetting malpractice.
I was treated like a criminal (my record is spotless). It was one of the worst nights of my life and they did nothing to improve my mental health, just let me go the next day. It was seriously awful and only induced a ton more ideation and made me feel like I was being punished horribly for being sad. That’s not the kind of place I’d want to go for help on the brink. Having been there before now I know in the heat of the moment I’d probably rather jump than go back. Which is CRAZY. It really needs to change. I went from being hopeful to being completely terrified of mental health systems.
Yeah I always said I’d kill myself before I got sent back to one of those places which is really fucked up. Thank goodness I got better, thank you ketamine therapy
Depends on the place! If you were on my unit we likely would have had fun. I used to run daily YouTube music video groups, hallway bowling, origami, optical illusions, and a bunch more for my recreation groups and I always made an effort to make being at the hospital better for people. I’d do my best to provide any printable activities I could. Of course I did therapies and stuff too, but the last thing I wanted was for people to feel worse for seeking help. My hospital was pretty good at not admitting people for ideation only and generally would set people up with outpatient resources if they weren’t an immediate risk to themselves.
I had to sleep in my clothes (wasn’t given a change) and couldn’t brush my teeth. I was in a small box (a clear prison cell basically) with nothing but a hard couch for over five hours crying my eyes out. Then when I was finally moved to the bigger box with other women the only recreation was a single TV. And I couldn’t sleep on my hard cot through it because the 15 minute rounds they do feel like 5 minutes when you’re trying to sleep, so I was awake all night. The dude taking my financial information to figure out how much they could charge me for my unwilling incarceration had the gall to complain about his kidney stones and how hard he had it. The case manager told me people not in crisis get bakered all the time. And the entire time I was FUMING because I was being treated like I was crazy and dangerous when I was just trying to tell my psychiatrist I needed a change in my meds because I felt like shit. I was so upset I couldn’t eat the entire night and next day.
I will never work with another psychiatrist or any mental health professional who cannot tell me the difference between ideation and intention. I cry every time I talk about this. My psychiatrist was a gaslighting bitch and I have completely lost respect for the profession as a result. If I hadn’t met amazing therapists prior I probably wouldn’t seek help again. People are right to be scared of getting mental help.
My stay was both punitive and restrictive. I checked myself in for help and walked out with more trauma. I had no issues with the restrictions other than the smokers got to go outside and the non smokers didn’t, even tho there was a small walking trail and tall fences.
I couldn’t sleep after I was discharged because I couldn’t stop thinking about the poor souls still left in there that I had connected with. I donated a small paperback library with a mix of mental health info, addiction info, $1 paperbacks, some classics and some modern bestsellers. Made sure it got to one of the kinder staff members, because there were a few.
There was nothing for one to do to occupy one’s time. I begged for a book to read and they tried to give me a bible. I said nevermind, I’d rather read nothing. They tracked down a young adult novel someone had left behind in the youth ward and that was all I had to read. It was actually a pretty good book luckily. I had someone else drop me off Jurassic Park because that was the only paperback they had (no hardcovers allowed for safety reasons)
I also had to stay twice as long all due to the fact that doctors/social workers are off Friday-Sunday. I would have gone crazier inside those walls had I stayed one more day. I was ready to bang my head on the walls, literally.
Ideally, it's not punitive, but in practice those places are really bad and often not helpful at all. Being trapped with a bunch of other severely mentally ill people is not a good way to recover.
Maybe, in my personal experience they do but I said some probably are ok because I’ve heard many good experiences but it could be possible it’s just America is fucked up and it’s better elsewhere
Mental health is the lowest thing on American health care. They take you to a room and take all your belongings and leave you alone with your thoughts until the doctor comes around maybe 5 hours later. They will not let you leave if they feel you will harm yourself. That's just the screening process.
I've been committed twice after either someone calling for me or me calling to get help. Both times, I immediately attempted again. The first time was when I was a kid and realized how much better it was away from home, so I tried once I got back. The second time as an adult where they just kinda stuck me in a room for 12 hours then called me a taxi home.
It 100% criminalizes suicide. You lose all your rights get strip searched and locked on a ward with no control over your life. Got bills? Too bad now your homeless and your car is up for repo so that better not make you want to die even more when you get out. Have truama and the strip search feels like being raped all over again, too bad you gotta let them tear your clothes off. Have no replacement clothes well too bad now you wear paper and you get to free bleed all over the place because you could kill yourself with tampons so you're not allowed to have them.
The mental ward just made me play happy until I got out. I immediately attempted again and started self harming worse than before I went in. I needed love and support and I just got hell.
Why shouldn't his life be his own choice though? Like I totally commend saving him to give him a chance to reconsider, but if he chooses to try again, why stop him?
Edit: I didn't stop to think about the fact that he's doing it in public, that could definitely be a reason to stop him
Nothing inhumane about letting people have agency over when their own lives end. Again, I commend saving him, cause these decisions are often made rashly and in haste after a particularly bad day/event. But after his chance to reconsider, why should the government have the authority to say, no you can't die right now?
Well yeah kind of humanity, but because humans love capitalism and cheap workers. Many countries dont care about their people when they get sick, disabled or something that make them unable to work, thats not humanity.
I've tried to commit suicide quite a few times. If he was that serious, he would have just done it and not made a whole scene. This was a cry for help, and he was most likely having some sort of mental breakdown. I'd say most people will be glad to have not killed themselves once they calm down. If someone really wants to kill themselves, they won't give anyone the chance to stop them.
Just because someone doesn’t see their own life as valuable doesn’t mean others don’t. We care about people because we believe they can have a life worth living.
That would definitely be criminalizing suicide, your case is not the same because apparently you had actual other criminal charges. In the case of someone who didn’t break any laws but was attempting to kill themselves being tackled and forced into a psychiatric ward is the definition of “criminalizing suicide”.
People should be able to kill themselves if that’s what they choose, it’s fucked up to force someone else to endure constant pain and misery because of a moral aversion to suicide.
I agree suicide should be legal with a doctor. But no, people shouldn't be allowed to splat themselves and traumatized everyone who sees it.
The hazmat people that have to scrape someone's remains off the road etc... IDK maybe they don't mind cuz they get paid but there are externalities to not wearing a seat belt and suicide in public spaces so you get my point
With the current legal situation, there is no way to take your own life without traumatizing someone else. At the very least the person that finds you will suffer from that experience. Afaik there is like one country in the world that has legalized assisted suicide. That is the only way to do it without "being a dick about it".
I disagree. And I don't mind discussing it, but this seems like the kind of topic the admins would start throwing permabans around over. Gotta love that ipo.
But I can imagine scenarios where it's little different than a medic finding an old guy who passed of natural causes-- especially if that person scheduled a message to be sent to the right people ahead of time.
No. There a psych wards specifically for criminals but the vast majority are not meant as a punishment. They are meant to get people the care they previously were not getting so they can rehabilitate and live a healthy life
That depends on where they go and what insurance they have. It is not a sure thing. Furthermore many people would make the ethical argument that the medical bills were worth saving the persons life
It really doesn't depend on any of that for most people. Look into the cost of getting sent to one of these wards, insurance or not you will be buried alive under that debt if you're not a millionaire. Also, love the lip service of "I saved your life!" just to turn around and leave people in a worse financial situation than they started in, which is in a lot of cases the very reason they were suicidal in the first place.
I’ve been to one when I was super depressed. I’m familiar with how they work. And I’m not in the mood for an ethical debate with someone who is very unlikely to change their opinion
Idk man seeing someone commit suicide right in front of you can have serious psychological implications I personally think it’s totally fine to lock up people who are mentally unwell if they pose a threat to anyone and themselves
Its not criminalisation of suicide. Do you plan on just releasing them so they can do it again? That's a terrible idea. The whole point of the psych ward is so that they can be treated and helped then released once they are no longer a suicide risk.
Nah, lots of suicide attempts are the results of pressure built up in the moment and people getting all worked up into a panic or despair over things. If I have to be held for a couple days, but as a result I'm alive when I might not otherwise be, I'll take that deal. Most people would.
Criminalisation of suicide is literally so stuff like this can happen. If it wasn't illegal they wouldn't be allowed to touch him. Try thinking next time, it's quite fun.
Most of my friends who are suicidal (or the ones that were, rather) all look back on their time in a psych ward rather fondley. They all talk about how good it was to just not have to think about how they'd go about their day, and just focus on themselves and getting help.
Of course, each one recieved a different quality of care, cause they're online friends all around the world, but the ones that got help all have similar stories.
Dude the psych ward is fucking dope, what are you talking about? Walk around in rubber soled socks and paint pictures and relax in a world you aren’t responsible for, it’s like being a kid again. The shitty part is going back to the real world.
I worked in corrections for a year a while back. We often received baker acted (suicide/self harm risk) patients due to our psychiatric facilities being over capacity.
This is one of the many many reasons I couldn't stay for a career in the field.
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u/Canyobeatit 1d ago
So what happens to the guy now? Prison or something?