I honestly can't believe some of the stuff people are commenting there.
This whole thing is so strange to me as a non-american. America spent trillions and decades fighting Russia in a cold war, which they won. How have they suddenly been defeated by them. And why does an 80 year old politician who was alive for all of it support them.
I definitely felt this way after the first time Trump was voted in. I don't anymore. You'd be shocked at how many functioning adults with high-powered jobs voted for Donald Trump this time around. Not to mention the massive numbers of Hispanics and Blacks. America owes Ukraine so much. They are truly the frontline against Russia. The Americans have forgotten what its like to truly be at war. We are going to find out soon enough.
My spouse is a Cuban immigrant but we live in Canada. He is so fucking embarrassed at the level of support Trump has gotten from the Cuban-American community. It is all over his FB feed from friends/family from back home who ended up immigrating to the USA and post all about their love of Trump. So you went through all that trouble to get away from a dictatorship and have fredom, in order to vote in a... dictator? WTF?
The black numbers were not massive for the love of god. That was the only race that voted for him under 20%. So please stop dragging them, the whites need to answer for their insanity.
i mean this in the most constructive way possible - people with pale skin aren't, like, telepathic, or some kind of borg or smth
as the saying goes, white people are "not a monolith", and i'm not sure it makes a ton of sense or helps much to frame this as "black people vs white people"
this is class war, not race war. the super-rich spent vast resources to install all the propaganda that US citizens fell for.
sure, some people everywhere are dumb or a-holes or whatever. they can still be victims of an international disinformation campaign that set out to and successfully managed to sow discord within the country
I’m a Dem, believe in tempered capitalism, was not a fan of unions when I worked in the auto industry. But now I find myself drifting farther left. I would have scoffed at “class warfare” but now I’m like yes this is class warfare and I’m hoping to see unions grow everywhere, all the time in this country. I want the selfish oligarchs crushed (not the same as rich people who cross the political spectrum- Gov. Pritzger is a positive clear eyed example). I want the patriarchy destroyed. I want democracy to reign. If this is happening to me I am sure there are others fed up with the BS.
We are at war right now. The enemy is within the government. Dismantling it from within. Why do you think Trump has Elon musk dismantling all the federal programs? He's trying to destroy our country for Putin
Your probably right. I understand that it's quite a 50/50 split right now. This is going to be terrible for America long term. The massive swing in policy every 4 or 8 years. The effect on the people, economy, allies. This won't stop with trump. He will become some what of a god to them when he passes. The power vacuum will be filled with puppets like Vance doing all sorts of idiocy in his name, while I don't think a lot of them genuinely like trump due to jealously or whatever else, I'm convinced this will happen.
I think America's biggest allies, UK, Canada, Aus, and NZ will almost completely unalign themselves with the US over this. While it's 50/50 on an issue like this in America it's about 90/10 in those countries.
Watching this from Australia - early in the morning - I can only totally affirm what you're saying. Personally I have been very pro-American all my life, but today I know that's come to an end. You voted for this twice and Trump/MAGA is no aberration. This is what you are now and I can no longer believe or trust in the once shining American project anymore. And that grieves me.
MAGA Americans forget that while you have a very big economy, you're only 5% of the global population and you don't have the hard manufacturing advantage you had in WW2. Trump has just abandoned all your former democratic allies - and this changes everything. It's also the end of nuclear non proliferation.
Eh, there's a fairly decent chance it does stop with Trump. You're not wrong that he will be deified by losers and that there will be a massive vacuum of power when he's gone. But a massive vacuum has to be filled massively, and which individual carries that much mass? Right now, I would argue no one does. Trump excels at attracting eyeballs, intentionally or not. It takes a peculiar mix of narcissism, cynicism, and fanaticism to consistently draw the abyssal glare of the media. Most people simply don't have that in them (which is very good). MAGA is undoubtedly a cult of personality, which requires a personality.
My fil was in the military, has traveled the world extensively for his post-military career, has some non-white grandchildren I think he loves, and never stops talking about how great trump and Vance are when we're there (which is very rare now because of that.) I can't understand it. If you push back he'll agree with what you say but then seems to forget about it the next time you see him. It truly feels like you're taking to someone in a cult.
Because it hasn't been sudden, and the Russians realised 30 years ago that you can't beat the USA with guns and missiles.
They pivoted to propaganda. An ex-KGB agent has been running their country for almost three decades now. That's not a coincidence.
Why get into a ground war with the strongest military the world has ever seen when you can buy out their talking heads, unleash millions of propaganda bots into their internet streams, and compromise a handful of powerful individuals?
If the stuff about Trump is true, they compromised him almost 50 years ago. This isn't 'sudden' at all. This is the desired result of generations of effort to win a war before a gun is ever even fired.
I don't think this will happen, but imagine a WW3 breaks out where it's essentially NATO against the USA. The USA could take them all on by itself, and once everyone is completely depleted Russia can have its way with whatever is left.
It's a long term play by the Russians to infiltrate the US political system and it fucking worked. We thought the cold war was over, they just hunkered down and tried a different tactic that heated the water slowly enough we never noticed we were being boiled alive.
They won it on either 1985 when the reactor exploded at the Chernobyl power plant, in 1991 when the Soviet Union dissolved, or some point in between that. Just maintaining the status quo would have been enough to call it a win for the United States. Hence why I don't understand why the policy has shifted to them being on the back foot.
It’s baffling to me as an American. When I talk to Trump supporters in the wild they all claim to dislike him too but they are extremely ignorant on policy issues and get their talking points from misinformation.
That's the message I got too. Most of his voters don't really like him. But they claim that they agree with his policies, which is fine by me. What I'm not fine with is sacrificing common sense, decency, democracy and humanity for whatever policies you agree with.
That's the thing, Trump is no politician. He's a reality TV star con man, who's is only ideology is might makes right & the only interests he serves is his own.
Because the 80yo politician was broke in the early 1990s after he ran out of daddy’s money and started taking loans from Russian banks because the American banks wouldn’t touch him. He loves Russia (probably because they let him default on loans). We wouldn’t know how much because he doesn’t disclose his finances like every other president.
The Republicans, the nra and evangelicals have dismantled education and critical thinking in this country because they're insecure men. This made room for Russian propaganda that has rotten American brains over time. They have forgotten our constitutional foundation.
I go there thinking, "maybe this article/video will make them finally see the piece of shit they idolised", but no, I get angrier to see how do they twist everything to follow their cult leader
It’s hilarious when they focus on their feelings above all else, because they’re usually the types that would argue that men are better at all kinds of things because they’re “more logical”.
Exactly. There’s still some up, but some of the top voted comments are being removed by mods in record time. It’s shocking for people who are supposedly so obsessed with ‘free speech’.
I done the same - VZ was shouted over and belittled before he could even answer any of Vance’s bullshit questions and yet they think Trump and Vance where disrespected.
Truth is Vance was almost caught out by VZ for making stuff up so they resorted to shouting him down
go there and sort by top and the top post is about the januarary sixth insurrection, and a lot of the comments are about how they no longer like trump. that was 4 years ago, now they are back to worshipping trump because they already forgot.
One of the perverse psychological behaviors of true cults - and this is true cult behavior - is that the more suffering the member endures, the more their belief is reinforced. There will never be a line that Trump crosses that will snap the true believers out of this; by enduring the hardship Trump is inflicting, they are demonstrating their devotion and experiencing a kind of sacrificial euphoria in their virtue.
and when one of them does express disappointment over something this admin has done, the rest of the fucking dorks there lose their shit and start calling them fake conservatives.
That entire sub is just a giant circle jerk with Trump as the picture they are glazing.
they banned me some years ago without an explanation. I don't recall ever posting there. Of course - try to get clarification on why I got banned and they don't respond. posts from the sub still pop up on my home page for some reason and am always thrown off when they say I can't post because I'm banned 😆
about a year ago, all the Musk subs did something similar. Banning people who have never posted in those subs. I asked the mod what got me banned, as I've never posted there. They said I broke their rules in another sub. I told them I don't see where there's a rule in any sub against "hurting Musk's feefees" and they muted me. 3 hours later I had a full Reddit ban for "harassment" to the mods 🤣🤣🤣 I got it appealed, but that's some top-level snowflake shit ❄❄❄ literally the only person who would be offended by saying "I don't see hurting Musk's feefees is against the rules" would be Musk himself. Such a sad, weak, pathetic, little man
TON of Russian trolls on that sub too. I'm sure they were just WAITING for this press conference to drop. When unexpected Russian news comes out, you can briefly get a glimpse of anti-Russia sentiment there but the trolls quickly get the talking points back "on track."
On a serious note, that behavior perfectly aligns with the religious teachings. Faith is about accepting things on their face values as facts, despite the lack of evidence, despite the contradictions with reality, and without questioning the authority.
I looked through that sub for about 15 minutes, I felt my blood pressure rise. Worst thing is that I know guys who talk like that in real life. Extremists on either side honestly piss me off at this point and that sub shows that in plaintext.
What? Next you'll be saying that one motherfucker shouldn't get to be the world's first trillionaire by gutting government programs and cutting people's healthcare (medicaid). The real fascists are the people who don't think rich people should get richer at the cost of other people's lives (/s)
Imagine seeing this meeting, living through the last 8 years, and knowing the absolute shambles of the United States, and ending with "extremists on both sides honestly piss me off at this point."
I almost never do, but I had to take a peek now thinking that even they must see that's there something not right with Trump, but nuh uh, it's all "Zelensky got to hear some hard truths".
Only view it from another subs perspective at this point. They’ve just begun banning any conservatives who even hint at smelling the shit coming from this fat fuck’s diaper.
Aye, very true; I look in there occasionally to get a feeling for that side of the fence, but the very fact that they're hooting and hollering about how Trump and Vance stuck it to Zelenskyy means there's no way back from there.
Although you did warn, I couldn't help myself. Darn that's a whole other level of thinking in there. I saw someone saying: 'Zelensky can't keep his hands up for money to try and get more territories.' Here I was thinking it was Ukrain that lost a big chunk of territory.
That feeling will pass when you accept that they did this to themselves, even with all the warnings including his first term.
It's like feeling bad for yourself after ordering the "no, not white person spicy, I want SPICY spicy pad Thai thank you very much" meal and sitting on the can 20 minutes after eating.
They're disintegrating over there. The Russian bots and mods aren't able to control the narrative. Flaired accounts are speaking out against Trump for this.
They also remove your flair if you get caught speaking too much against Trump. I’ve seen it happen a few times when some conservatives didn’t agree with what Trump is saying. They get called “liberal infiltrators” and get booted. If you aren’t gargling Trump’s nutsack constantly in that subreddit, they remove your comment/flair and ban you.
Even if Trump feels this way, publicly stating so puts Ukraine and the west as a whole at a huge disadvantage for peace negotiations. Putin isn’t going to withdraw from anything if he thinks American military support could falter any day now. Teddy Roosevelt said speak softly and carry a big stick; Trump is speaking loudly and throwing the stick away.
This is the top comment from one of the threads about this meeting on that sub. There's plenty more and it's a pleasant surprise. This sort of sentiment means there is actual pressure within the trump base and within the republican party to not fuck this up.
This first pass at negotiations was bound to fail, we'll see what happens in the coming months. Emotions run high and trump is an impulsive moron, I expect stupid cuts to Ukraine aid that will probably be reversed at some point, but it's up to Zelensky and everyone in Europe to steer this in the right direction.
I mean, I would hope there would be some level of criticism. It's the braindead partisanship that kills me. I'm a lifelong democrat who loved Obama, but believe he failed us as president in certain respects. It's healthy to question leadership. What's unhealthy is pretending like nothing is ever wrong.
r/Conservative are in their own little world. When 99% other subreddits say the opposite of what you are saying and it doesn't make you think your perception might be off, you're a hopeless cause.
They have to silence any and all dissent there because they are so out of touch that they simply cannot handle freedom of speech, nor will they ever admit their errors or change their ways. It's really beyond time to progress without them, whatever that needs to be, so be it.
"They disrespected me" was a phrase I heard a lot at the pharmacy I worked at whenever I told some hot-headed pill abuser that they were two weeks early on their Xanax refill.
Exactly, it's reactionary and it's an easy justification for being wrong. The equivalent is "you hurt my feelings," except making people feel like there's some social code of honor they're violating.
Can't wait for 4 years for the next president to make EOs abolishing most of these EOs, and then in 4 more years to get a different set of EOs we abide by, great way to run a country when every 4 years the whole country is operating by different rules. Congress needs to do their freaking job and pass actual LAWS.
America can't be trusted when every 4 years it swings in a totally different direction. In one fell swoop the US has lost all its credibility because of Orange Mussolini... Great job USA... Great job...
Its exactly the same mentality as Putins. I am going to beat you until you love me. Oh you don't love me yet? How disrespectful. Let me increase the beatings.
I saw a post telling conservatives not to read any comments unless they're downvoted. That's insane. "Guys, you might wrongthink if you're exposed to different ideas! Don't read them!"
Everyone is wrong, everyone is corrupt, everyone is a bot, everything is a conspiracy -- it's all so fucking stupid that it's really difficult to square with any reality
That place is just an echo chamber of propaganda at this point. Has been for years. Their own members get kicked out when they disagree with anything daddy Trump does. It's so pathetic lol.
I can't believe I actually clicked on it and read through some of these comments. I couldn't believe the amount of brain cells I lost.
Do these people think that global politics is some sort of a dick measuring contest? They're so fixated on this illusion that Trump/Vance didn't "let Zelenskyy push them around".
If you let dictators with imperial ambitions start a war and award them with new land under the guise of peace, that's like letting a robber come into your place and giving them money to "walk away". Do the American conservatives not understand this?
I think it was all intentional on Trump’s part — he’s been aligning himself with Russia. This was all just bread and circuses. He’s paying lip service to Ukraine, while taking in Russian oligarchs and meeting with Putin behind Zelensky’s back…
I mean... it's hard to disagree here. He's alienating the US from their traditional allies including Canada, South Korea, EU, etc. which seems to be a pretense for aligning himself with Russia
I lurk there sometimes and it's actually kind of interesting. The comment section tone has shifted dramatically from pre-election, election, to post-election. There's actually a relatively increased amount of disillusionment and skepticism especially around DOGE.
on r/Conservative, we can't even post or respond to them. They don't like free speech. They are in their own echo chamber. This is actually crazy that you must have a "flair" to be able to interact with them. They are not worthy.
This was totally a play for Trump to do lip service to Ukraine while cozying up to Russia. It's crazy that we would even need to debate that point when he met with Vladimir Putin first.
Those fucking hypocrites pretending that Zelenskyy was dressed disrespectfully in the Oval Office when Musk has been wearing a goddamn baseball cap and edgy t shirts and treating the place like a day care centre
I saw this video and said to my gf “this is actually what a lot of low-EQ republicans want.” They feel like the world is taking us for granted. They want someone to look guys like Zelenskyy in the eye and make them say “thank you.”
Trump is right with the WW3 rhetoric. What’s off is then using that to degrade Zelenskyy, like it’s somehow his fault because he isn’t thankful enough. Good sir, his people are being driven out of their homes, raped, and killed, by a guy who wants to erase their country and culture. And you want to make this about “saying thank you?” Like this is preschool?
But that’s how republicans think. They are simple creatures without empathy.
That was just fucking disgusting. I’ve seen Zelenskyy say thank you many times, including during a speech to Congress. It will probably end up hurting him, but it’s good to see him stand up to Trump and his mini-me. That’s what pissed them off - the fact that he wasn’t groveling at their feet.
Republicans don’t watch his addresses to Congress. They want him to say thank you to Trump, because they project themselves onto Trump.
Yes, they are that dumb. They will sit there and go “well he should say thank you” like he hasn’t done it a million times, just to justify the Orange Menace. It doesn’t matter that he’s done it. Only their feelings matter. Facts are unimportant.
Putin would love to see Zelenskyy denigrated. I’m sure that is part of it. This was some sick psycho shit that a rapist/kidnapper/torturer says in some shitty b movie
It's worse than that. Ukraine doesn't owe us a thank you for half-heartedly, kinda making a partial effort at upholding the piece of paper we gave them in exchange for their entire nuclear arsenal after the Budapest Memorandum.
We owe Ukraine a thank you for spilling their blood fighting a war that NATO should have been fighting to stop that expansionist wolf in Moscow. But no. We hand them guns and tell them we're too scared of big bad Putin to make him mad by fighting alongside them.
'Make the bad man go away, Ukraine!"
And Trump has consistently been against doing even THAT much and then demands a thank you?
Fuck that guy. Fuck Donald Trump and every single one of his supporters. Sideways. With a belt sander.
Trump looks like a petulant child. I'm genuinely shocked Zelensky managed to keep himself so composed. He looked like he wanted to get up and punch couch fucker in the face.
Well, that's what happens when you are that insecure and petty because no one has paid attention to you in your entire life, not even your parents. I truly feel bad for them.
Trump is treating diplomacy like a WWE pre-match interview bc his base likes that shit. Which works for him because thats the extent of his on-camera ability
Every time I see that copypasta about that Tim guy going off on retail workers for saying "no problem" instead of "you're welcome" I'm reminded that some of us have real problems but conservatives got their feelings hurt by acknowledging other people exist so that's all that matters
Bernie Sanders is stirring up inspiration and truth some more, all around the country these days. I’m still Berning, and so is Bernie. We’re all needed and need to get busy making lemonade.
My job requires us to ask people on TANF, SNAP, and Medicaid if they want to register to vote, and most people decline. I wish that they knew how much politicians can impact their daily lives.
And not even most of the country either time. The 2024 election had a voter turnout of about 64%, and Trump didn't even get half of the votes that were cast. Literally less than 1/3 of eligible voters brought this on us.
If you didn't vote against Trump then you are complicit and share as much blame as ppl who voted in favour of Trump. 72% of America wanted this (Based on voting age population). The US is a lost cause. The rest of the world can only hope that the 72% of the United States that wanted this suffers more than the suffering they brought upon the world.
No, they aren't, I don't know a single conservative that regrets their decision, and posting this nonsense on here saying that they do doesn't help. Seeing them just a few days ago commenting that they won't cut Medicaid is just made up by the liberals and I haven't seen them say anything yet about the latest vote. They will say well we don't agree with it but I get it and brush it off like every other shitty thing he does, because they will go but yeah he got rid of some bad immigrants and they are totally cutting government spending. So look at all the good they are doing.
They will fight tooth and nail to justify their idiotic decision like when someone purchases an expensive item that also happens to be shitty. Like every Tesla owner I have ever met when I have pointed out the shitty materials, misaligned panels, and general shit build quality. That is what people do.
The "united" states should no longer be considered a country. It should be carved up so that maga idiots can create and reside in whatever dystopia they see fit while everyone else can work to recover whatever territory is left over.
How can a country vote TWICE for a moron like this?
Because we didn't...that's the whole problem. People aren't accepting the level of corruption we're at...we really are to the pitchforks and torches stage and about NO ONE is willing to accept it.
60% of the country's population can't read past 6th grade level, worse is that ~25% are functionally illiterate. 60%+ can't survive a $500 sudden cost. it starts making sense when you scratch past the surface.
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