I'd approach it from the other direction: if any meeting is on camera, 9 out of 10 times it's Trump's egotistical idea. Trump wanted to show his "power" and get Zelensky to crack - on camera.
Zelensky didn't give him any such display. Uno reverse for normal /empathetic people; Trump "telling it like it is" for grifters and Maga.
Russian state media - despite not having press credentials or approved access - were in the Oval office to live stream it on Russian state TV. Sky News UK called them out as they recognized them, at which point they alerted the Trump team who after the attempted bullying session, pantomimed ttem being escorted out.
Ask yourself: How do Russians without any clearance or press credentials make their way to a prime position in the most secure room of the White House, unless they were invited and given access? You have to go trhough multiple security checkpoints and be known to security.
It was a setup.
EDIT: lots of people asking for sources so here you go:
What I don't get is how people are just coming to this realization now, when he and Putin were on the phone like gossip girls every other day during his first term. It's wild to me how that was just brushed off, while Putin was actively at war.
Check out the Helsinki press conference where Trump did everything but put it in his butt on a worldwide stage to show how committed he was to that bitch ass punk Vlady.
Because Trump himself has yet to realize and most likely never will, people are giving him too much credit. He's just a moronic narcissistic nepo baby,
We did know this. But Trump didn't win the election. It was stolen just how Russia steals their elections. And he got Elon to pull the strings, which is why he can never get rid of Musk.
Even if he's not an official "asset" he is still an asset for the Kremlin. Putin's stooge in the US. I mean old dip shit Donnie has said he trusts Putin. Talk about playing checkers on a chess board.
I was wondering why no journalist jumped up and shouted at Trump. Would have been the scoop of the century. The only thing better would have been Trump clutching his chest mid tirade.
This is so freakin' concerning. Of course THIS won't spread around the news, just the "fight" itself which the news will just run with for weeks so they can keep whatever narrative they have kept going.
Those of us with a working brain saw it for what it was - an aging reality TV failure posturing in front of the cameras with his pathetic deputy joining in, emboldened by his bully master. Neither of them knew what they were talking about and made big fools of themselves on the world stage, dragging America down with them. Zelenskyy just needed to sit there and let them demonstrate how ignorant and incompetent they are.
Meanwhile, Zelenskyy proved yet again what an absolute hero he is.
I feel like we're well past "concerning" but I'm with you. It makes me sick. Not even disgusted anymore (although that too) but nausea and chills. I'm scared. Which is what they want.
There's no way to spin this. It's not supposition or conspiracy theory. It has happened. Like the insurrection. And no one and nothing will stop it.
I wonder what's next? There's bound to be reprisal. I'm guessing starlink access will be terminated in pretty short order.
It’s been concerning since the first meeting he had was with Russian “diplomats” and kicked out the record keepers and press. Later he bragged about sharing top secret info that ended up getting American spies killed
Yeah, it's actually a "coincidence" that this happens right after all those Epstein files are relased, full of Trumps name!
Hey, look over here media, not over there!! Every friggin time.
And what’s really worrying about this is that effectively the Russian government had access to the leader of a country they are at war with. I still remember when Zelensky would make his addresses from unknown areas because they didn’t want the Russians to bomb his location. Makes me wonder what the Russian state media may have tried to do on orders from the Kremlin.
I assumed they would be more or less the same. I'm all too familiar with the Australian branch since my dad is far-right and considers them more truthful than most American media.
I am not conspiratorial but this makes some sense. Reminds me of his first term when he had the Russian agents in the White House and was bad mouthing congress or someone to the Russians. Laughing and having a good time. Sick society
I didn’t even watch the video, I read an article, and it was SO OBVIOUS just from the transcript that the entire purpose of this meeting was for Trump and Vance to instigate a blowout with Zelenskyy by cornering him in public, and use it as a forum to paint him as the unreasonable “bad guy”. They were never there to actually discuss terms with him, it’s all staged nonsense to appease the Russians and screw over Ukraine and the rest of Europe.
Only Zelenskyy has actual charisma and grace. So even as things got heated, it’s very clear (to those of us who are still living on Planet Earth) that his demands are entirely justified and reasonable, and that Trump and Vance wind up with only “You’re being disrespectful! You’ve never even said thank you to us! 😠😠😠” to stand on for their DARVO ploy.
It’s also very, very concerning (and very telling) that Trump explicitly threatened the possibility of WWIII.
You are absolutely correct. I sat in a room of ex-politicians and lawyers watching this and each and everyone one of them commented saying the same thing. "This is a complete setup there is no reason for Trump and the VP to be in the same room with Zelinski." This was a stunt to embarrass and humiliate the Ukraine. And Master Putin had his monkeys allow the Russian State Media in.
This is the whole story in a nutshell. Nobody gets into the oval office by accident, Trump wanted Russian media to watch. I have no idea how we got here.
We in the opposition seem to have abandoned the "Trump is a Russian asset" argument a long time ago. But good lord, what else explains this behavior? Can someone please tell me why TF we are on the wrong side of this war?
Look at how fast Americans went from hating Russia to saying “I’d rather be Russian than Democrat” and how fast they started parroting that Ukraine started the war. Russian propaganda rivaling Joseph goebbels lately.
You mean to say Russian spy's were in the oval office. I doubt Russia would waste a chance to get fab to put on a press badge and head on in. Probably bugged even worse than it was now.
I'm not saying this is not planned as it would be really naive, but what's the point of getting access to the oval office just to be immediately escorted out when other reporters see you? This administration is just a terrible mix of evilness and incompetence and the results are about to be catastrophic.
Probably the same way that Marjorie Taylor Greene's boyfriend had the same access and could ridicule Zelinsky about not having a suit on. You know, since Elon wears them all the time.
Betcha anything they promised to talk about one thing the berated him. Blamed him for everything. Said every buzzword. And praised Russia.
YouTube comments were like…. Disgusting. People saying this is transparency. This is what the world needed to see. And people are now saying they’d side with Russia over these clowns.
Really happening. Social media is in full manipulation. Brainwashing. Gaslighting. /sigh
Wish this were the top comment. The actions of our president and VP were cringe, embarrassing, and shameful.
However, the fact that unauthorized Russians were in the oval office at the time is extremely alarming. WTH?
To be in the white hour press briefings, let alone Oval Office, you have to be on the very strict list and have official press credentials issued which give you access past the various check points.
TASS (Russian State Media - literally controlled by Putin) were in the room and didn’t have clearance, didn’t have credentials but somehow got through multiple security check points so they could broadcast Trump and Vance attack Zelensky.
Other journalists recognized the guys from TASS and reported on it.
In simple terms, Trump security allowed them in to witness was theatre of them being tough on Zelensky, so it could be broadcast like on Russian TV.
Hrrrnnnggghhhh duuuuude I'm so tired of feeling physical rage every fucking day by shit like this. Literal traitors. Trump has literally been outed as a Russian asset, has Russian news media in the fucking white House to show Big Daddy Putin what a good good little orange fucking boy he's been by yelling at Zelensky, the only real man in that whole room. And 98% of America will never know, never pay attention, never put together the 3yrs+ puzzle right in front of their fucking faces
I swear the only thing that puts a smile on my face these days is imagining Trump riding around Dallas in a convertible
This needs to be amplified. Did not know this until I read your post. Just wow. I mean, I know when Fox is in the room that there is Russian propaganda sponsored media present. But to actually have Russian state TV in the Oval office is really shocking but I guess it really shouldn't be given Trump's strong business relationship with Putin.
This is exactly what I was thinking. I’m guessing Trump has already made a deal already with Putin to end the war and Putin has essentially told him that he must discredit Zelinsky as much as possible and that’s why it’s live on TV.
Should all us Americans start learning Russian? Should he put pictures of Putin over our children's beds? Fuck. That. Impeach this man. Get him the fuck out of my country.
Yeah Trump wanted to crack Zelensky on camera and show his daddy Putin what a good boi he is. I'm more and more convinced that Putin has some golden shower videos on Trump
I doubt it is anything as tame as a golden shower.
We know how pally trump was with Epstein. If there's such leverage in play (and you have to suspect there could be) then you know it probably involves children.
I watched this at work with my coworker and I we were all disgusted. The US President said we’ll be teetering on the edge of World War 3 if the president of Ukraine doesn’t just shut up, comply, surrender and then say thank you.
Trump and Vance were both touting their diplomacy skills while actively shouting over Zelensky and telling him he has talked enough.
Vance cried about Biden being a bully to Putin. This whole thing was absolutely nuts.
It wouldn't matter. Conservatives would tie their own daughters down for trump to rape if they could, they couldn't care less if they saw video of trump raping children in high def 4K. So I don't think it's blackmail he has on trump.
He's been grooming trump for years and trump really really wants to be like Putin. He wants that "respect" and fear too. And thinks that Putin is gonna give it to him in exchange for Ukraine. I really think trump thinks that Putin is his friend and wants to show off for his good "buddy".
Why would Trump care about something like that being made public? We all know he was friends with Epstein and went on his flights, he's a convicted rapist.
Everyone knew this before the election, americans obviously don't care if their leader rapes children.
I think it’s money, not anything salacious or sexual. He has no shame and his supporters have shown they don’t care either, but he does care about money. I bet he has Russian loans backing up his serial career of failed enterprises and his facade of being hugely rich.
Trump has been bought and paid for since the 80's, they were his only reliable income source, if there's any incriminating video it's just padding to keep him in line.
The whole damn party. They got to the party through the NRA. One of Russia's spies was caught and sent to prison. She had been going to events for years. I don't know if they used honey traps and bribery but most of them are definitely dirty.
I haven’t seen 5 seconds of JD Vance since the election but they knew Trump is so weak they decided to put JD there to start the fight. So embarrassing
On the one hand, he could have worse than anyone will talk about, on the other Trump's history is that he WORSHIPS despots at the moment they slaughter their own people.
He's got severe ADHD yet he read a book of Hitler's speeches, probably the only book he's read as an adult.
He's a sick sick creep. And WHAT THE FUCK is wrong with people that they want a monster like him in charge?
It can't be just that. A golden shower from a Russian prostitute in the 80s is just a normal Tuesday at this point. If there is something, there has to be a dead body involved, and something more than a dead Russian prostitute. More in the line of a dead teenager at epsteins Island. That might be able to cause something.
He said at the end of the video "This is gonna be great television!"
What a piece of trash!
Orange cheeto is playing with the livelihood of millions of people with Ukraine being in the front. This little stunt of his can possibly have negative worldwide ramifications that are beyond comprehension right now.
Motherfucker thinks he's still hosting the apprentice and his followers will comment stuff on these posts like, "We won, just enjoy the show" i hate this reality so much i can't stand it
He has made the office of the President, and all the power that is invested in that position to be an absolute joke. How does anyone still support him after this? He looked and acted like a petulant child with another world leader. 5 years ago this would have sparked calls for impeachment and he'd be disgraced. What happened between now and then? What are the American people doing about this?
You know the funny thing is, conservatives, at least the ones I grew up with and have known my whole life used to look at outbursts like this as a sign of weakness. What exactly happened to get us to this point where a sitting president could act like a child who didn't get his cookies and a nap, yet his base would still agree with this and support him?
This little outburst has signaled to the entire world that the United States are no longer a valid trading partner or ally in matters of defense or freedom of any kind. Yeah his base loves this, but his base doesn't run the rest of the world. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. This is beyond insane.
It was cute when Trump was talking about Mexico paying for border walls and laptops. But suddenly it's not so cute when you shout down a leader of a country who is at war with another country with your VP in the same room in order to look like a fake ass tough guy. The fact that Trump and his followers don't see how this looks - basically a giant pussy ass move - is so revealing and funny yet it's also horrible. When will people wake the fuck up?
My father called me to tell me about this news and how great it is. He is so proud of Trump, and I'm sad to be called his son honestly. Every event that he celebrates (events dragging this country down) makes me more and more disappointed to be related to him.
He said that in reference to the American people seeing what was happening and how "rude" Zelensky was being to them. I literally cringe thinking about JD Vance saying, "Did you even say thank you?!" Like what a child! This was embarrassing.
Not the first time this week Vance has been inappropriate in a meeting; With the UK PM a day ago,he started complaining about freedom of press in the UK.Like, who,in the USA, cares?.And, why, in the middle of Ukraine/Russia talks?
I know.. clowns.. Zelensky said thank you a thousand times, but you don't have to say it every other word. vance said he doesn't care about Ukraine also(few months back) but was there to show how much of a bootlicker he is. Blew up because he was hearing the truth about the bs they kept talking about.
So the world could see how bad Zielinski is. When really it's the opposite. Trump then said "it's going to be hard to do business this way". He's treating the world like a business FFs
Trump got exactly what he wants - a big, televised argument with Zelenskyy, that he can use as justification for stopping American aid and, potentially, coercing his "allies" to do the same. Nothing Zelenskyy could've done about it, and that's exactly why Vance was there - a 2vs1 beat-em-up to show off "Zelenskyy, the vile man who would come into the Oval Office and 'dictate' (a very intentional word) to the American public what should be happening".
Thats Conservative sub is a cult mate. Dont question dear leader over there. Trump could shit on a baby on live tv and they would instaban anyone not praising trumps ability to poop.
There are true conservatives out there that did not sign up for a bunch of losers like that destroying their country.
I tried my best to make a post there with an earnest question of what conservatives wanted without saying anything perceptually offensive, avoiding the current political hellscape, and it still got taken down immediately with no explanation. That may be the last time I ask anything like that of any conservative until Trump is dead and infamously remembered in 30-40 years.
Trump is not in control anymore. With Musk walking in and doing what he wants, Trump is just the rotting hand puppet that sold the country to get out of jail.
Musk and friends are in charge. The first term was practice. This term is where they take direct control of Trump and tell him to sign what they want and stay in his room if he plans to live out his remaining lives out of jail.
I think Trump forgets Zelensky was a popular media figure before he was president. He's not some doofus that doesn't know how to use cameras to his advantage.
I don't think so. Everything was going fine until Vance jumped in and flipped the table over. And then Trump had to back his guy and they both look bad. This is all on Vance.
It is 100% maga porn. The president is a showman first. When zelensky said the US would feel influence of the war, that was the money shot. Time to "show them who's boss"
Yeah, that's why he told him to leave. If Zelensky won't crack for the camera, as the actual dictator in the room soon learned, there's no point in him being there.
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I'd approach it from the other direction: if any meeting is on camera, 9 out of 10 times it's Trump's egotistical idea. Trump wanted to show his "power" and get Zelensky to crack - on camera.
Zelensky didn't give him any such display. Uno reverse for normal /empathetic people; Trump "telling it like it is" for grifters and Maga.