r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • Mar 06 '25

Soft Paywall Elon Musk Suddenly Doesn’t Want Credit for Disastrous DOGE Cuts - Musk is warning Republicans to stop blaming DOGE for the cuts.

https://newrepublic.com/post/192415/elon-musk-warns-republicans-doge-job-cuts
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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25

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u/FlyingRock I voted Mar 06 '25

Yep! Exactly, I'm curious if he actually accomplished his primary objective or not though, I don't think his objective is exactly the same as others.

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u/neutrino71 Mar 06 '25

Access to a pile of data he didn't previously have. Disruption of a number of departments that were investigating his businesses.  

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u/francis2559 Mar 06 '25

Also deleting key systems and databases entirely. Like USAID has been crippled so badly by him that an argument they are trying is they physically cannot comply with court orders.

He tried to do things no court could reverse. We will see if he succeeded.

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u/JAZINNYC Mar 06 '25

The wealthiest person in the world literally ripped food and aid out of the hands of those most in need around the world, and the worst part is they had no idea it was coming.

I don’t have enough imagination to describe how black and rotten Musk’s soul must be to be in such a privileged position hurting the most innocent of people :/

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u/Paulonemillionand3 Mar 06 '25

It's like an origin story from a comic book. Watching your family starve and the food that could have fed them going to waste on purpose is going make so many very angry people in the future.

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u/Paulonemillionand3 Mar 06 '25

Stochastic terrorism can be inadvertently directed I imagine. Their deeds will sow the seeds of their own destruction I'm sure.

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u/kyndrid_ Mar 06 '25

African joker

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u/confusedandworried76 Mar 07 '25

Gonna get even crazier when food rots in our fields because there's no one left to pick it and a fuck ton of it we've now lost buyers for, as well as saying goodbye to food imports, and Americans themselves start starving

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u/greg_regular Mar 06 '25

Hopefully it doesn't just produce more enemies of the US and focuses on Musk. But, with the way the US diplomacy is rn, it could be setting everyone up for failure.

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u/shawnisboring Mar 06 '25

You don't need comic books to tell this story. It's basically the germ of radicalization that eventually makes terrorists.

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u/Enkjdu Mar 07 '25

You do realize, as per a few people who know fElon very well, that he thinks we're living in a simulation, and that he's a comic book character in it.

The fact that he started wearing the black version of MAGA's outfits wasn't an accident, I believe. He's now playing out a villain character.

Or more likely, he had a shitty childhood and is a resentful asshole.

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u/Paulonemillionand3 Mar 07 '25

That's ketamine for you....

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u/TheArmoredKitten Mar 06 '25

This story has been told already, repeatedly and quite vocally for a bit over two centuries now. It's simply reached a scale that is impossible to accidentally overlook.

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u/travers329 Mar 06 '25

It is a villain you would root for to succeed in this case as well.

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u/General-Raspberry168 Mar 06 '25

Those are antiheroes.

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u/Environmental-Fan984 29d ago

But they're not gonna just target Elon. It's going to be all Americans. We'll all eat shit for the actions of these chucklefucks

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u/jocq Mar 06 '25

That's a fantasy. Law enforcement and the courts are useless in that regard. Only citizens can enact justice on musk now.

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u/CommieLurker Mar 06 '25

I would absolutely LOVE if we started charging the ultra-wealthy with social murder. Because I guarantee you not a single one of them isn't thoroughly covered in blood hundreds of times over

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u/Jimmybuffett4life Mar 07 '25

Just keep burning down his stupid fucking car dealerships

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u/pannenkoek0923 Mar 06 '25

Elon Muskissinger

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u/neepster44 Mar 06 '25

At least 300 infants a day got HIV that wouldn’t have otherwise…

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u/littlefo0t Mar 06 '25

Whatever happened to RICO? In my opinion, this administration seems to be a case for that.

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u/lizard81288 Mar 06 '25

The wealthiest person in the world literally ripped food and aid out of the hands of those most in need around the world, and the worst part is they had no idea it was coming.

The problem is a lot of people, MAGA, think we should only focus on America, screw everybody else. While I agree people in America need help, we shouldn't abandon our neighbors either.

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u/JAZINNYC Mar 06 '25

MAGA have a lot of opinions that are surface-deep. Opinions about something they can’t even conceptualize are worthless.

The wealthiest nation in the world trying to peace out from global relations will lose their status as fast as brain dead MAGA can blink, which is exactly what is happening now.

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u/snorka_whale Mar 06 '25

Yeah exactly, most of maga wants to stop the foreign aid to third world and developing nations. What they didn't expect was them destroying our alliances with other powerful first world allies.

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u/TheBoisterousBoy Mar 06 '25

See, if Republicans came out with a legitimate plan to “Make America Great” and it was verifiably helpful for the American people, I would give them credit.

The America First stuff’s bad in how it’s being done now (because it isn’t so much America First as it is “let’s obliterate the country”) but I would honestly be on-board if their plan was to do something like vigorous funding for a means to eradicate homelessness, to provide national healthcare, to provide genuine aid to the American citizens that need it.

That’s some shit that if one of the Republicans mentioned even I would be like “Hey, let’s hear them out.”

Reduce funding to outside causes, boost funding to interior causes. That shit would be A-Okay in my book. Get our oxygen masks on first and all. But no, we’re ripping the oxygen masks, and tanks, from our neighbors while also yanking them away from our own citizens, then giving everyone the finger, shooting their dog, lighting their house on fire, and then telling them their mom’s ugly.

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u/Strong_Composer456 Mar 06 '25

The problem is they don’t want to fund interior causes either. They’re setting it up to cut Medicare, Medicaid and social security, and their budget wants to cut taxes for those making $320,000+ but raising them for the majority of Americans and increase the deficit by $3.4 trillion.

Seems like they intend to gut all aid to America as well.

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u/TheBoisterousBoy Mar 06 '25

No that’s exactly what I mean. They keep screaming “America First” and then doing literally nothing to benefit the country. Nothing. All of their actions keep actually screaming “America LAST”.

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u/harkuponthegay Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25

People need to understand why we actually do international development— it is not out of the goodness of our hearts.

America, like any sovereign nation engages in international development to advance its own interests overseas.

That work opens up important markets for our businesses, promotes global stability and reduces conflict (which is again good for business), buys us loyal trade partners and secures our access to vital resources (yes international aid is the way to do that cordially, without having to blackmail countries like Ukraine into handing over their mineral rights).

And the recent embarrassing mess of diplomacy with Ukraine is proof that republicans know this. Giving aid gives us leverage in negotiations to influence the outcome of global affairs in our favor— when we don’t give, someone else will, and we don’t get a say anymore in how things turn out.

Aid reduces the chance of disease outbreaks and pandemics getting out of control and eventually showing up at our borders, and ultimately it is what keeps the world using the dollar as the global reserve currency.

International aid is money that we are spending in other countries but on America. It is much cheaper to give aid to get those benefits than it is to go to war, and nobody ends up hating you in the process.

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u/MoreRopePlease America Mar 06 '25

Foreign aid is definitely in America's interest. It's an easy way to influence other countries without even having to take military actions. Nothing America does is completely altruistic.

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u/Kipthecagefighter04 Mar 06 '25

As a canadian id love if you just abandoned us rather than threaten us

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u/lizard81288 Mar 06 '25

As an American, I agree. You guys are cool!

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u/LogoffWorkout Mar 07 '25

It would hold more weight if the stuff wasn't being cut soley to offset billionaire tax cuts.

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u/cocochinha Mar 06 '25

It's really gross what's happening. Frankly I want nothing to do with people who think all this is ok, or make excuses for these actions. Just gross.

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u/ippa99 Mar 06 '25

Not only that, engaged in massive, fraudulent waste and inefficiency by holding that aid back - as a lot of it was already purchased food and medicines with short shelf lives. He didn't just say "don't buy any more", he forbid them from administering and shipping it.

His failure to manage and plan and illegally demanding they withhold it indefinitely has caused waste. When this was pointed out as what would happen by the USAID officials, he threw a little tantrum and forced them to resign.

Last estimated loss I saw for this was around $500 million in already purchased supplies that could go bad. No idea how many of those will be shippable and usable in time for that not to be the case.

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u/turdlepikle Mar 06 '25

Didn't he once tweet a question years ago, asking if he should donate a few billion to help starving people somewhere? I don't remember what it was, but I more seem to remember people saying "remember that tweet where he asked if he should donate billions to help the poor?" Of course he never followed through.

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u/Boss_Atlas Mar 06 '25

No idea it was coming? Project 2025 has been readily available for such a long time, it was in everyones face.

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u/Pathological_RJ Mar 06 '25

I think the person above you is referring to the starving people around the world. Even if they knew it would be cut off I doubt they have many other options

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u/JAZINNYC Mar 06 '25

I’m talking about the poorest people affected in 3rd world countries, P2025 wasn’t in their faces sheesh.

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u/NikipediaOnTheMoon 29d ago

Yeah because everyone around the world voted in your elections, right?

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u/coffeesippingbastard Mar 06 '25

it's not a matter of his soul. Elon is like a drug user who is completely drugged out of his mind. But Elon's mind is addled by ketamine and Twitter. He's doing all this destructive shit to seek the approval of his distilled crowd of incels and racists on twitter. The guy is a husk.

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u/haightwrightmore Mar 06 '25

He's worried that high tide is coming in and his sand castle is exposed.he will do anything to keep his unwarranted fortunes

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u/Semajal Mar 06 '25

It's weird cos I just encountered a friend of mine who loves what Musk is doing, is happy about it, and it's what him and his friends want and it's so odd to see.

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u/No_String4808 Mar 06 '25

Musk believes he is living in a simulation and that he is the main character and we’re all just NPC‘s. He doesn’t care about those people because he doesn’t think they’re real. Explains a lot of his behavior when you realize he actually believes this.

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u/LivingVeterinarian47 Mar 06 '25

It's a ball of worms he says. At first I thought he was describing Congress.

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u/kittyonkeyboards Mar 06 '25

He should be charged and arrested for that. A private citizen with no legal authority broke into departments and destroyed them. If I did that I wouldn't be exiting a jail cell in my life.

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u/chaos_nebula Mar 06 '25

And seize starlink under civil asset forfeiture. By their own laws, if it was suspected of being involved in a crime, it's fair game for seizure.

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u/Vankraken Virginia Mar 06 '25

By the end of this, all of Elon's property and stocks should be seized and nationalized.

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u/Timmyty Mar 07 '25

Honestly, billionaires should NOT feel safe.

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u/winstondabee Mar 06 '25

You probably wouldn't have even made it to a jail cell

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u/mockg Mar 06 '25

Also every person on his team should subpoenaed and heavily monitored as they had a lot of access to sensitive data.

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u/MindLikeaGin-Trap Mar 06 '25

And monitored for the rest of their lives. If they're willing to participate in this kind of behavior, they should forever be considered a threat.

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u/MindLikeaGin-Trap Mar 06 '25

All of his assets should be seized to make up for the damage that he's done to our country and others. He's a threat, not only to the US and democracy, but to democracy and countries worldwide.

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u/Aksudiigkr Mar 06 '25

And hired a third party to protect him while inside some of those places. It’s armed robbery, even though without accounting for that it’s treason already

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u/will-read Mar 06 '25

Who exactly would be charging and arresting him? There will be a preemptive pardon before the end of 2028.

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u/Smaynard6000 Florida Mar 06 '25

It doesn't matter what age they are because every single one of these "kids" is a legal adult.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net Mar 06 '25

Agreed. Trump signed the EO to create the agency.

Was Musk not reporting his actions to Trump the entire time?

Then he knew and should be accountable too.

How can they take numerous illegal actions, and there be ZERO accountability?

None of what they're doing are within the scope of the President's authority. The SCOTUS ruling on immunity doesn't apply.

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u/tatojah Mar 06 '25

If a decision by the executive branch is irreversible by the judicial branch, it's a power grab.

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u/petty_throwaway6969 Mar 06 '25

Wouldn’t surprise me if he also had back doors placed so he can access the systems later.

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u/CaneVandas New York Mar 06 '25

So are you telling me nobody anywhere is maintaining backups of major databases? Daily, weekly, offsite?

I'm assuming with proper data retention they would be able to do comparative audits of changes and payments that were made between the live and the backup.

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u/francis2559 Mar 06 '25

Backups that Musk couldn't access? No. They have god level access and the president's blessing.

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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Mar 06 '25

Yeah but it’s not actually that simple if backups are done properly, they are designed to survive god level access being given to a lunatic.

Immutable backups that literally can’t be deleted until they expire are a thing. Yeah you could technically root them out and destroy them but you would need to kill all of the backup systems, you can’t just log in and delete something.

But again, that is something that needs to be set up. I have no idea what their systems look like… but it’s not exactly uncommon these days.

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u/CaneVandas New York Mar 06 '25

Proper backup procedures require offsite storage. You have your immediate onsite's backups and then a set of backups gets transported to an external location so that if the physical site is compromised with things such as fires and flooding you don't lose the entire system.

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u/Smaynard6000 Florida Mar 06 '25

Cool, throw his ass in fucking prison

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u/DevelopedDevelopment Mar 07 '25

Do you think post-Trump that many of the systems will be rebuilt from the ground up or would they try hard to salvage as much as possible? Some companies have an old database and a new database for when trying to switch over with some silly stuff when communicating between the two.

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u/Hour_Associate_3624 29d ago

I would hope that these agencies have off-site backups of all their data and systems. Sure, it would suck to revert to a 3 month old state, but it's better than starting over.

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u/francis2559 29d ago

Musk has god level access to read and write. There's nothing he can't delete.

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u/Hour_Associate_3624 29d ago

Presumably they could revoke his access and then restore from a backup that has been untouched.

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u/francis2559 29d ago

Why would he leave a backup untouched? Again, you’re acting like this is accidental loss. He set out to destroy every copy, and nothing was there to stop him.

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u/francis2559 29d ago

Why would he leave a backup untouched? Again, you’re acting like this is accidental loss. He set out to destroy every copy, and nothing was there to stop him.

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u/FlyingRock I voted Mar 06 '25

I suspect you're right about investigations into his businesses, wonder if they were about to uncover something juicy.

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u/LaughAtFarts Mar 06 '25

He did publicly say in 4K that if the Democrats won he was going to jail. That's why the election was so important for him.

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u/No_Reception_6835 Mar 06 '25

Yup! "If he loses, I'm f**ked"
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/1UPYR6xjAFY

Could it be election tampering?? Election Truth Alliance is finding some out of the ordinary stats.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

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u/Rich_Bluejay3020 Mar 06 '25

I don’t know where you read that, but that’s not true. The Federal Acquisition Regulations (FAR) have not removed Equal Opportunity. It hasn’t been updated since 2016 FAR 52.222-26 Equal Opportunity. There’s plenty of other clauses that deal with EO as well. And each department has their own set of clause supplements that they need to comply with.

Maybe on his contracts they were able to get the clauses removed? But I highly doubt that because it’s breaking the law and the contracting officer can be personally liable for any damages that come from signing a contract like that. I don’t think someone making up to ~170k on the high side is willing to go to prison or pay back the damages lol. But I could be wrong 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/somme_rando Mar 06 '25

There's also SEC problems.
15 Jan 2025: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/15/elon-musk-sec-lawsuit-00198442

The Securities and Exchange Commission took a parting shot at Musk late Tuesday with a lawsuit related to his $44 billion purchase of Twitter

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In an 11-page complaint, the SEC alleged that billionaire Musk failed to properly disclose that he had acquired a major stake in Twitter in 2022. The SEC said that by doing so, he was able to benefit from “artificially low prices” as he bought up the shares, while investors lost out on more than $150 million. (News of Musk’s interest in Twitter shares would likely have sent the stock soaring).

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u/aloneandeasy Mar 06 '25

You are close .. There are still restrictions on government contractors, they've just changed.

Try being a gov contractor and mentioning DEI...

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u/Killerrrrrabbit Mar 06 '25

And awarding himself lucrative contracts.

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u/Newspeak_Linguist Mar 06 '25

He also convinced MAGA voters that he's doing a great job and slashing government waste; the happier they are with DOGE the less they'll notice increasing prices, increasing unemployment, loss of socialist benefits that they didn't realize they were using the entire time. The whole reason Trump picked Musk for this is because he has a following of idiots from WallStreetBets that think he's brilliant and would follow him anywhere.

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u/umchoyka Mar 06 '25

Tanking the stock market so he can swoop in and acquire more investments at a discount

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u/ScoobyDooItInTheButt Mar 06 '25

Don't forget cutting funding to other companies so he can give those subsidies and contracts to his companies.

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u/soberpenguin Mar 06 '25

This needs to be thought of as a looting and pillaging raid of the sensitive data of every american. He stole what wasn't nailed to the floor and burned everything else in the village.

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u/Gin_OClock Mar 06 '25

He's going to sell that data to everyone as well. It's the only way he'll be able to make up his financial failures

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u/Boss_Atlas Mar 06 '25

Lose a quarter of his wealth and absolutely tank his auto business.

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u/Suavecore_ Mar 06 '25

Don't forget he riled up the conservative voter base even more so now they're all super on bored with all sorts of new stupid shit

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u/OddRollo Mar 06 '25

It’s all just business for him

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u/vthemechanicv Mar 06 '25

exactly this. The data he stole can't be unstolen, and the investigations are probably long deleted. It'd be criminal if we didn't have a criminal for a pardon signer.

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u/bakerstirregular100 Mar 06 '25

Plus a few huge contracts already like the starlink or the armored cyber trucks

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u/GlykenT Mar 07 '25

He probably got hold of all the investigation data Vs his companies so even if they restart, he knows what evidence they have, and it may now be tainted or even missing.

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u/GingerSuperPower Mar 06 '25

Dude’s objective is to star in a Marvel movie, but in real life. He’s like a fat Joker, except we do laugh at him.

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u/whatevers_clever Mar 06 '25

He got the social security data and tons of other data.

He disrupted the NHTSA investigations into Tesla (car manufacturer now with 2 of the unsafest car models on the road) 

And I'm sure something even more nefarious and much worse.

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u/dafunkmunk Mar 06 '25

Yea, he got full unrestricted access to countless federal databases, downloaded shitloads of data he shouldn't have ever had access to, likely uploaded things and potentially even set up backdoor access (hopefully completely failing at this due to his and his minions utter incompetence and lack of coding knowledge), and likely did millions of dollars of damage that could take years to fix. He got everything he wanted and all the stupid cuts, firings, and legal challenges were just distractions to keep people from getting in his way.

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u/NeedNameGenerator Mar 06 '25

His primary objective, as he mentioned on Tucker I believe, is to avoid jail. Apparently a lot of US departments were looking into him, and he went for those first.

Now whether he achieved his objectives (burying the cases for good) or not, I don't know, but I'll highly doubt anything will happen to him during Trump's term, at least as long as they stay buddies.

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u/FlyingRock I voted Mar 06 '25

Hopefully years from now it'll all come back to haunt him.

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u/ARightDastard Mar 06 '25

Got every taxpayer's data, as well as scrubbed anything regarding the voting machines as well as torched any investigations that were ongoing on him. He did what he wanted, for the most part.

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u/dIO__OIb Mar 06 '25

i think they did the reverse. they are trying to point how terrible the gov is at everything, showing the public how essential much of it is. if they continue withe VA and IRS it’s only going to get worse as far as optics.

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u/sutree1 Mar 06 '25

His primary objective is more wealth. He may dabble in ketamine, but the REAL drug he loves is wealth.

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u/Maethor_derien Mar 06 '25

They knew 90% of it was going to get rolled back. The thing is your hiding the tree in the forest. They go after swaths of things they know are never going to hold up to hide what they really want to screw over. They let those 90% of things go and everyone celebrates at the big win and doesn't realized that they got their entire goal accomplished with that 10%.

Even their own side probably wouldn't side with some of the stuff they want so it even hides it from the uneducated mass of republicans.

It really is a brilliant move, a complete scumbag move, but you don't become one of the richest in the world by being a good guy.

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u/anonymousposter121 Mar 06 '25

The data was the objective

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u/RamenJunkie Illinois Mar 06 '25

He wanted access to the data.  And possibly to delete anything related to cases against him.

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u/Curious_Designer_248 Mar 06 '25

It was absolutely gaining access to very specific data and some insights.

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u/devedander Mar 06 '25

Definitely.

If his goal was save money by auditing agencies with potential waste the military is the prime choice. Biggest budget and has never passed an audit.

The goal was get access to the information, break the government so people would want it privatized and get credit from those who see the headline .”$8 billion saved in fraud “ believe it and never hear about the fact it didn’t actually happen.

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u/CherryLongjump1989 Mar 06 '25

Long term he fucked himself. There is so much shit coming his way it’s hard to predict how it will really end.

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u/bugsyboybugsyboybugs Mar 07 '25

Well, it looks like he’s taking over a couple of government contracts, so it was lucrative for him. That was probably the main goal behind it.

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u/lavahot Mar 07 '25

Depends on what his actual goals were. If his goals were to: A. Temporarily disrupt US soft power B. Exfiltrate data on US citizens, FBI investigations C. Permanently shake people's trust in the federal government. D. Cripple the government's ability to investigate him.

Then I think he pretty much accomplished all of his goals.

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u/National_Cod9546 Mar 07 '25

Musk and team scraped a huge amount of data from every system. There were multiple reports of them bringing in private servers and copying everything onto them. That included every account number that the US government keeps money in, everything from social security, everything the IRS has.

The scary question is, what are they doing or going to do with that data?

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u/SecretInevitable Mar 07 '25

He has absolutely already fed every government database into an AI trainer

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u/crapbag451 29d ago

Maybe the objective wasn’t to weaken the government long term. Maybe it was targeted to open a door in the chaos. The Trojans are now in the castle. It’s just a matter of time until they strike.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

I hope everyone isn’t doing a victory lap.

Not everything is getting reversed, only a couple of things have. In fact most things haven’t been reversed.

This is what is awful about Reddit, misinformation on both sides.

They literally announced a day ago the cuts to the VA and IRS in the 80,000 range.

Everyone here is taking one decision and acting like Trump and Elon are stopped.

It’s only Month 3 of his 4 year reign. We are losing not winning anything.

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u/Runazeeri Mar 06 '25

Not from the US but what's stopping Doge just ignoring the courts and getting pardoned?

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '25

Nothing, the Judiciary branch (Supreme Court) of the US government has no power to exercise its ruling. It depends on the Executive branch (President) to enforce its rulings with police.

If anything, it seems like they are giving small wins to the population while actually destroying the nation to keep the people numb enough to not react.

I would say it’s not working, but the US was stupid enough to vote for this clown again - and as you can see the person I originally responded to is acting like Elon is about to go away and take a big L.

So, yeah nothing. The US is fucked, but mostly because its population doesn’t know what the fuck is actually going on.

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u/jacksawild Mar 06 '25

I think you've got it, and it's possible that the worst case scenario is actually going down under your noses. When you get used to nothing being real, it's hard to know what to react to. Paradoxically, this causes decision paralysis. You're all stunned and you're actively losing everything to go knows who/what.

Good luck.

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u/flattop100 Minnesota Mar 06 '25

When this happens, that's when you have a constitutional crisis.

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u/Eatpineapplenow Mar 06 '25

what does that entail?

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u/budboyy2k Mar 07 '25

Nothing. we've been in several (some ongoing) for quite some time. The machine just ignores it

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u/Stlswv Mar 07 '25

Not AMERICA…1/3 of America.

Roughly 1/3 of the country voted for Trump.

Then 1/3 were Democrats/Harris supporters.

The other 1/3 “didn’t like either candidate,” so they didn’t vote. I blame them for this, for Trump. Those fuckers should be put on a raft and set free from a Democracy where they have any civic duty.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net Mar 06 '25

You really should inform yourself better if you want to keep engaging in these discussions.

While I agree that not everything is getting reversed, many things are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te62RQTevgo

The Republicans seeing this pushback have realized this isn't going to go their way if they keep operating like this. So they are making Musk go through congress (at the very least, as he should've been already).

What that look likes remains to be seen, but it's a step in the right direction at least.

You need to check your rhetoric a bit though. Being defeatist doesn't help anyone (except maybe Republicans).

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u/lilbunnfoofoo Mar 06 '25

While I understand not being a defeatist, we have to be realistic, and do you realistically think that These Fuckers didn’t think executing Their plan was going to be unpopular? That they’ve planned out how to circumvent the entire government process, but not what to do when the peasants don’t like it? They got that orange motherfucker reelected, unpopular is Their bread and butter.

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u/Balancing_Loop Mar 06 '25

I do think that more needs to be done to explain what exactly is going to happen if (when) those court orders just get ignored.

We've seen 10 years of Trump ignoring the law and suffering zero consequences. Who is going to enforce the law when he breaks it, and what is that going to look like? I'd really like to hear a genuine answer to those questions.

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u/cogman10 Idaho 29d ago

It's technically up to congress to remove the president if they fail to comply with the courts but... yeah...

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u/Nevuk Mar 06 '25

Contempt of court can't be pardoned. The court locks up whatever lackey who is supposed to do it until they comply

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u/harkuponthegay Mar 06 '25

Yes it can — who do you think executes the orders of the court? It’s almost like there’s another branch of government involved…like a branch whose job it is to do the executing— like an executive branch… who’s in charge of that again?

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u/mockg Mar 06 '25

Only thing that can stop that is an impeachment and removal from office. Given that republicans control all three branches this likely will not happen.

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u/Adorable_Raccoon Mar 06 '25

Unfortunately executive branch enforces the laws, so even though the courts determined the law they don't have power (threat of violence though policing/military) that the executive does. Hypothetically congress could impeach Trump but they don't have the votes right now. We also have a do nothing congress right now.

Technically the workers at the government could follow the court decisions & ignore the adminstration. Idk how that will play out.

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u/shapu Pennsylvania Mar 06 '25

The cuts to the IRS and VA will come out to more than 100,000.

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u/Shaxxs0therHorn Mar 06 '25

”…. when Musk misses a swing, people lose their livelihoods.”

At least the article gets it.  

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u/lilbunnfoofoo Mar 06 '25

Thank you! This is a frustrating comment section. Reading this article from AP makes me think they just want to deflect blame:

https://apnews.com/article/musk-doge-trump-blame-federal-workers-republicans-2945026366f42b0879087f2e7d4b9d71

“Elon doesn’t fire people,” said Rep. Richard Hudson, R-N.C., after a dinner-time pizza meeting with Musk in the basement of the Capitol.

“He doesn’t have hiring and firing authority,” added Hudson, who leads the House Republicans’ campaign arm. “The president’s empowered him to go uncover this information, that’s it.”

A federal judge in San Francisco expressed concerns that layoffs violated the law, leading administration officials to insist that it was individual agencies — not Musk or the Office of Personnel Management — calling the shots.

Rep. Carlos Gimenez, R-Fla., said Musk told lawmakers that “some of the folks that were the probationary people, he didn’t fire them, they were actually supposedly fired by the agencies —and they messed up.”

Did Musk actually say “they messed up?”

“Well, if they were in fact, you know, critical people, and the agency did the firing, then yeah, they messed up,” Gimenez said. “But not him.”

“I would say that there was an argument that that’s not coming from DOGE, it’s actually coming from individual agencies,” said Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky.

Another Republican, Rep. Andy Barr of Kentucky, said that Musk went so far as to emphasize that not only had DOGE not recommended mass termination of probationary employees, but that he thought some federal agencies were either incompetent or sabotaging the effort. Musk told them he wanted more precise terminations of those not performing.

“The point that he was making is that DOGE had not made recommendations for across-the-board cuts of all probationary employees at every agency,” Barr said.

”But the agencies had implemented it improperly through either incompetence or in a handful of cases actual malicious efforts to sabotage and create a public relations problem for DOGE.”

And then there’s the weird way it ends:

House Democratic leader Hakeem Jeffries of New York said that if the White House wants to abolish an entire agency such as the Department of Education, “Bring the bill to Congress. We welcome that fight.”

Jeffries added: ”We’ll stand on the side of the American people, and they’ll continue to stand on the side of Elon Musk.”

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u/MrColburn Mar 06 '25

Everyone here is taking one decision and acting like Trump and Elon are stopped

Where in this sub are you seeing this? Or on this site?

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u/waffle299 I voted Mar 06 '25

This is not the end. It is not the beginning of the end. But it may be the end of the beginning.

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u/austrialian Mar 06 '25

Actually it’s month 2.

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u/Lady-Seashell-Bikini Colorado Mar 06 '25

I have learned my lesson. I won't be celebrating anything until Trump is officially removed. While he's in office and Musk is in his pocket, I will always assume we're in danger.

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u/Alex5173 Mar 06 '25

Most of the things he did can't be reversed

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u/SoWhatNoZitiNow Mar 06 '25

Thank you! Was reading that comment hoping for even a bit of a reference or a source to back up claims that Elon didn’t move fast enough and is now getting railroaded. It’s just not true lol

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u/gmishaolem Mar 06 '25

"getting reversed" still has to be enforced. Very little is being enforced right now.

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u/Blockhead47 Mar 06 '25

Days until the midterms in 2026:

https://days.to/election-day-in-us/2026/11/3

SPOILER ALERT:
606 days

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u/Bruce-7891 Mar 06 '25

Exactly. I like most other people couldn't understand how a random nobody (in the world of U.S. politics) could just walk into Federal government buildings and start hoping on computers and firing people. Glad the legal system is finally catching up.

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u/Key_Text_169 Mar 06 '25

Objective accomplished. Find a bunch of waste that does not exist and tell the red hats false info on things that they word to sound like horrible things their money is going to. Like trans mice and billions for condoms for Gaza etc etc. while they have the congress write the bills to cut important things that we all need for tax cuts for the ultra rich and raise the debt then blame the crazy liberal democrats.

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u/Antonyberbert Mar 06 '25

do you have the link to the article? would like to read it

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u/Trextrev Mar 06 '25

Or the plan worked perfectly, which was to be able to have mass confusion, but not be stopped getting into every single government system scraping everything off of it building in AI off of it and then aggregating all of the data with the AI and you essentially have every organizational tree, of information and secrets and plans and policies of the entire government and all the financial information of every person in the United States. Everything that was purposely compartmentalized and kept separate so the adversaries couldn’t do what he did he did and that information is invaluable.

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u/boot2skull Mar 06 '25

The courts are slow but at least they can halt actions that are questionable until a decision is made. The problem is, there’s plenty that can be done that is irreversible, but also if the Judicial branch loses its teeth, which Elon and others have argued for, the executive branch is 100% free to do anything. We are maybe a hairs width away from that, assuming the SCOTUS doesn’t already play along.

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u/procrastablasta California Mar 06 '25

Sucker-punching his personal enemies (USAID). Paving the way for his own aerospace contracts (DOD / FAA). Sabotaging Transportation and EPA regulations that affect Tesla and Space-X. Firing watchdogs probing his election interference (FEC).

No clue why he wants to piss off Veterans

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u/roastbeeftacohat Mar 06 '25

he may have been fast enough, not everyone is as easy to rehigher as I am.

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u/Suspicious-Town-7688 Mar 06 '25

It’s becoming more and more obvious to everyone that Musk is a liar and a fraud just like his new orange best friend. I hope his fraudulent companies go the same way as him.

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u/Fionaelaine4 Mar 06 '25

Did anyone get screenshots of all his posts about his success with getting rid of fraud etc? I don’t have an X account but someone should get those pics

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u/jumpy_monkey Mar 06 '25

What has been reversed?

Can you name a single instance where 1) funds were released after being frozen or 2) any employee has gotten their job back?

There have been orders by judges but AFAIK not a single one has been followed.

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u/2020_killed_my_kat Mar 07 '25

He installed his walware. Time act like he was 'stopped'

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u/Vodkafka Mar 06 '25

I don’t think he expected that Supreme Court decision. That jammed up their dismantling.

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u/waffle299 I voted Mar 06 '25

Oh, that has piercing attorney -client privilege written all over it.

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u/generally_unsuitable Mar 06 '25

You mean a guy who doesn't even work here can't come into my office and fire me?

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u/Development-Alive Mar 06 '25

I'd also add that the publicity Elon has drawn with DOGE is also having an outsized influence on his businesses, especially Tesla. Remember, Elon is fighting for more shares to gain back his control of Tesla. The institutional investors must surely be turning up the heat on high. If the stock continues to get hammered over the next 3-6 months, expect pressure from the market for him to step down from his CEO roles over any company he doesn't have full control over.

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u/insuproble Mar 06 '25

Hopefully he knows he can quit now and avoid getting charged for espionage

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u/Sea_Swordfish939 Mar 06 '25

It was a smash and grab. Steal the data. Hide the election fraud.

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u/Dramatic_Mixture_868 Mar 06 '25

Except no one is going to do anything to him cuz he's the richest asshole in the world. Meanwhile, many people's lives got destroyed.

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u/Risky-Trizkit Mar 06 '25

He literally had teams setting up temporary bedrooms next to their workstations at DOGE, thats how fast he was going. Fucking con man.

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u/DOAiB Mar 06 '25

The sad part to me about that is the leopardseatingfaces party is going to take getting rehired or getting funding back as Trump doing the right thing and not a judge stopping him and his bs and keep doubling down that this admin is great

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u/stevez_86 Pennsylvania Mar 06 '25

If they can't make the Unitarily Executive Theory happen then they will determine that the authority needs to be delegated to the states and Trump will happily outsource the majority of the daily work for the President and the Federal Government at large.

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u/afsdjkll Mar 06 '25

Now to find out how much this whole charade cost taxpayers.

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u/scarr3g Pennsylvania Mar 06 '25

As long as he was disruptive, and messed things up enough to end the multiple investigations into his companies: he won.

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u/MasterFrosting1755 Mar 06 '25

I think you give him too much credit, I don't think he knows what he's doing at all.

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u/thrownjunk Mar 06 '25

the only way to make the cuts stick is if congress passes a budget and laws to make them stick. it turns out too much of the money flowed to red states and their interests. and if they cut it, they may trigger a bigger recession.

its funny. if trump just screamed about DEI, but did nothing in practice, he actually might be kinda popular.

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u/wkrausmann Mar 06 '25

And to get as much done before Trump is forced to fire him.

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u/2squishmaster Mar 06 '25

How would the legality have changed if they went faster?

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u/HomeOrificeSupplies Mar 06 '25

It’s the Trump method. Shotgun it and count the dead later.

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u/krucz36 Mar 06 '25

Yeah it's a gamble he took to try and siphon as much money off the big enchilada, the federal budget. Probably why he doesn't really care about tesla anymore

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u/thecoastertoaster Mar 07 '25

So efficient, much wow

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u/user_x9000 Mar 07 '25

Not just musk moved fast, project 2025 moved fast.

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u/Puzzled_Pyrenees Mar 07 '25

Also, moving fast and confusing the people is a hallmark fascist move.

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u/[deleted] Mar 07 '25

So he’s gonna get locked up right? Right?

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u/nananananana_FARTMAN Mar 07 '25

Hey can you link me that NY Times article?

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

And this is why he's distancing from taking credit.

It is not because he's concerned about getting in trouble. It is not boycotts or anything like that.

It is because he lacks the legal authority so giving credit to those with legal authority covers his actions and importantly; allows them to continue.

This isn't some victory. This is just them coordinating on how to cover up their illegal actions with a facade of legitimacy.

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u/terrymr Mar 06 '25

Lawyers don’t advise you to break the law in the first place.

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