r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/Am_I_AI_or_Just_High 1d ago

Since Cali is has a bigger economy than nearly every other country, this is very possible and will make trump look even dumber. Also you don't need GPT to calculate "no more tariffs"

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u/Bruce-7891 1d ago

I'd love this but it sounds illegal as F. A tariff is a tax and a state can't independently decide it's not going to participate in federal taxes.

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u/jrblockquote 1d ago

The tariffs are illegal as F. We are not in an economic state of emergency. Fake president has no authority to impose those sanctions.

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u/DamnMyNameIsSteve 1d ago

I thought the power of the purse belonged to the house.

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u/Handleton 1d ago

Only if the house wields and protects it. Nobody seems to understand that Project 2025 is a path to the President being a dictator and Trump has enacted 43% of it already.

It doesn't need to be at 100% for it to be a problem.

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u/greennalgene 1d ago

It does. But they aren’t willing to piss Daddy off.

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u/dedicated-pedestrian Wisconsin 1d ago

The Senate just passed a bill to specifically cancel the Canada tariffs earlier this week, but I doubt it survives the House.

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u/orangeyougladiator 1d ago

That was literally so there could be comments like yours where they can falsely claim they’re standing up to Agent Orange. Don’t fall for it

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u/torero15 California 1d ago

For the purpose of taxes, yes. Tariffs of course being a huge tax on the consumer. Trump is faking an emergency to avoid congress and so far they are letting him do it. He is also faking an immigration emergency and using that to deport people without due process. Both are massive abuses of power and should result in impeachment and removal from office. Sadly we’re too far gone for that now.

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u/Fulano_MK1 1d ago

For the purpose of taxes, yes. Tariffs of course being a huge tax on the consumer. Trump is faking an emergency to avoid congress and so far they are letting him do it. He is also faking an immigration emergency and using that to deport people without due process. Both are massive abuses of power and should result in impeachment and removal from office. Sadly we’re too far gone for that now.

The legislative branch is ceding its authority to the executive branch, which is part of Project 2025/Heritage Foundations "unitary executive theory", which Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito support.

The executive branch still has the power to enforce laws, which it is using in some cases, and ignoring when convenient in others. California will try this and the Trump admin will use the full power of the state to enforce existing laws.

People keep remarking that the constitution is dead, that what Trump is doing is illegal. I want you to understand that it doesn't matter if Trump is doing something illegal - the executive branch enforces the law, so as long as he's in power, the law is whatever he/the cabinet decides to enforce or ignore.

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u/torero15 California 22h ago

Thats where we the people gave to step up then. Nobody is saving us. Just a question of whether it will be too late or not.

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u/markaamorossi 1d ago

Tell that to an exec branch that skirts the law at every turn and a judiciary that gave him the backing of immunity as well as no one enforcing rulings good judges are actually passing.

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u/cigarettesandwhiskey 1d ago

Congress delegated a lot of its powers to the presidency during the cold war, so right now the president does have that authority. Congress would have to repeal the authorization to remove it. Which they could do, pretty easily, but they'd have to want to.

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u/HyruleSmash855 1d ago

Problem is that contain resolution put out language basically saying that the house can’t end this emergency this term until it opens next year

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u/soggy-hotdog-vendor 1d ago

Uh. These tarriffs absolutely are putting us into an economic state of emergency.

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u/reyska 1d ago

Well... You are now.

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u/sniper1rfa 1d ago

We are not in an economic state of emergency.

I mean, we weren't on Monday. We sure as shit are now.

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u/Shock_n_Oranges Arizona 1d ago

We are not in a state of emergency

Congress gets to decide that by voting it down, and they haven't/won't. So the tariffs are not illegal.

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u/Saguna_Brahman 1d ago

The tariffs are indeed illegal.

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u/Shock_n_Oranges Arizona 1d ago

In the first article by that author talking about the Mexico and Canada tariffs, they say that while they think it is illegal, they're not sure if the courts will strike it down. So in the end we have to wait for the courts.

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u/ChiefBlueSky Kansas 1d ago

I have murdered somebody, but I havent been charged yet. So murder is not illegal.

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u/haarschmuck 1d ago

Fake president

Ok.

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u/Bruce-7891 1d ago

Since when is raising taxes illegal? A 25%+ tariff is stupid as F, but that doesn't make it illegal.

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u/fixgamepls 1d ago

It does when you make up some emergency to get the power to enact them without going through congress, not to mention breaking trade agreements

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u/Knewonce 1d ago

It’s illegal for the president to declare it. It needs to come from Congress

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u/Neve4ever 18h ago

Congress gave that power to the President, though.

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u/Knewonce 9h ago

Congress has abdicated power to the president for sure. But that doesn’t mean these tariffs have been enacted legally.

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u/sniper1rfa 1d ago

The president cannot raise taxes, and specifically can't impose tariffs except under very specific circumstances defined by congress. So... yeah. Since then.

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u/Neve4ever 18h ago

Those "very specific circumstances" are actually very broad. Congress has increasingly given the executive more and more tariff power over the years.

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u/galaxy1985 1d ago

Every day I'm more and more baffled by how little we know about our own government and laws.