r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 20h ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/ameriCANCERvative 18h ago

Not just engaged in, led.

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 18h ago

While that's true, section 3 of the 14th amendment doesn't require a person to lead an insurrection to become disqualified from holding public office. It only requires one to "engage" in insurrection, regardless of what exact role they played in it. Every J6 terrorist is similarly disqualified.

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u/ameriCANCERvative 18h ago

Well, to be even more pedantic, 18 U.S. Code § 2383 makes a distinction between “incites” and “engages,” when it comes to insurrection, so perhaps he truly is eligible to be president if you go by the plain language? Perhaps “incites” is fine but “engages” is disqualifying?

Please note that I am NOT seriously arguing this point. I personally believe that this guy should receive the harshest punishment prescribed in 18 U.S. Code § 2381.

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 18h ago

18 U.S. Code § 2383 does initially make a distinction between those two roles, but equally disqualifies both from holding public office. It's a distinction without a difference in the context of this discussion.

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u/Datdarnpupper United Kingdom 18h ago

I personally believe that this guy should receive the harshest punishment prescribed in 18 U.S. Code § 2381.

God, imagine

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u/ameriCANCERvative 16h ago edited 16h ago

Wouldn’t it be nice if we were bolder?

Then we wouldn’t have to bite our tongues

And wouldn’t it be nice to hold them guilty

In the kind of world where justice runs?

You know it’s gonna make it that much better

When we can say they’re charged and under oath

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could wake up

In the morning when the day is new

And after watching trials on every channel

Feel proud of what our country chose to do?

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Thanks chat gpt for helping me write a parody song about holding our leadership to account. It was genuinely a joint effort, I had to hold its hand.

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 15h ago

Naming every jan6th patriot as a fucking terrorist is wildly hilarious. Hyperbole leaks out of your face !

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 15h ago

Please, enlighten us as to why you believe the word "terrorist" doesn't apply to the group that unlawfully entered the capitol on January 6, 2021, shouting slogans and waving signs expressing their intentions to murder politicians, which eventually ended with 174 injured police officers, 5 dead police officers, and 4 dead participants.

terrorist
noun

a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 6h ago

dont move goalposts please

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 5h ago

So you aren't even going to try to defend your statement?

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u/tdager 13h ago

Look, I am not fan of trump and am glad that those that hurt police officers were held accountable, but outside of a small group of people the vast majority that entered the Whitehouse were simply in "mob mode" and had not intention, nor capability, to overthrow the US government.

So no, they were not terrorists, and IMO we toss that word around way to easily (including the current administration).

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 13h ago

Which part of that definition does not apply to the "mob" on January 6th?

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u/GrunchJingo 9h ago

had not intention

Dog, they stormed the fucking capitol, rooted through politician's desks, and were on a hunt to murder those politicians. What could their intention have possibly been other than to overthrow the US government?

the vast majority that entered the Whitehouse were simply in "mob mode"

They were in a mob to overthrow the government and install Trump as dictator. It doesn't matter that that's not how any of this works. That was their intention, that's why they were there, that's why they stormed the capitol.

Like, listen, I don't even think the word terrorist should exist. I think it's used to deprive people of human rights and make people ignore any crimes against humanity the state commits against them.

But given every single piece of evidence, how can you possibly claim that the J6 insurrectionists did not aim to overthrow the government?

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u/Prudent-Air1922 14h ago

It's actually a fact, but I know those don't matter to people like you.

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 6h ago

I saw little old ladies waving tiny flags, it was amazing

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u/redditlvlanalysis 14h ago

Naming terrorist insurrectionists who wanted to end the grand experiment as patriots is wildly hilarious

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 6h ago

its all about framing, you know this

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u/mrpeabody208 Texas 18h ago

He didn't lead, he merely incited... then retired to the Oval Office break room to pound Diet Cokes and watch the chaos he caused unfold on TV.

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u/ameriCANCERvative 16h ago

Fine.

I admit defeat in this battle of pedantry. “Incited” is definitely the most appropriate word to be used, but… to be just a bit more pedantic, I think your use of the word “merely” undersells the significance. “Incited” is on the same level as “led.” It’s actually more despicable, because as you say he took the coward’s way out.

We’d likely be a lot better off if he were on camera smearing his feces on the walls of the capitol instead of his degenerate mob, if he were the one packing the zip cuffs, etc.

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u/mrpeabody208 Texas 13h ago

I was shitting on him for being a cowardly stochastic terrorist.

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u/ameriCANCERvative 13h ago

Yeah me too. It’s even more shitty than him actually leading it. Little bitch sitting behind a tv screen watching his mob, blasting out bullshit tweets. Buffalo hat guy is probably the closest to a “leader” they had.

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u/Beldizar 15h ago

Before all the cases got thrown out, it sounded like he and those working for him actively bussed in certain individuals and connected them to people to give tours of the building so they would know where to go. So just giving the inciting speech wasn't all there was to it, at least from what I saw of the evidence presented before it was killed.

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u/queerhistorynerd 12h ago

unfortunately 70% of voters decided rule of law wasnt important