r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/wankbollox 1d ago

If Texas can ignore the federal government and make its own immigration policy, then I guess California can make its own trade policy. Seems fair. 

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u/TinFoilBeanieTech 1d ago

States setting their own trade agreements is totally unconstitutional, but we haven't been following that for a while now anyway. I'm hoping the whole west coast can form it's own trade coalition.

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u/jesuisapprenant 1d ago

Tariff powers don’t belong to the executive branch, the executive branch cannot defund programs unilaterally without Congressional approval, felons cannot run for office, the list goes on. 

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 1d ago

Felons absolutely can run for office. The reason Trump can't legally hold public office is because he engaged in insurrection.

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u/ameriCANCERvative 1d ago

Not just engaged in, led.

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 1d ago

While that's true, section 3 of the 14th amendment doesn't require a person to lead an insurrection to become disqualified from holding public office. It only requires one to "engage" in insurrection, regardless of what exact role they played in it. Every J6 terrorist is similarly disqualified.

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u/ameriCANCERvative 1d ago

Well, to be even more pedantic, 18 U.S. Code § 2383 makes a distinction between “incites” and “engages,” when it comes to insurrection, so perhaps he truly is eligible to be president if you go by the plain language? Perhaps “incites” is fine but “engages” is disqualifying?

Please note that I am NOT seriously arguing this point. I personally believe that this guy should receive the harshest punishment prescribed in 18 U.S. Code § 2381.

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 1d ago

18 U.S. Code § 2383 does initially make a distinction between those two roles, but equally disqualifies both from holding public office. It's a distinction without a difference in the context of this discussion.

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u/Datdarnpupper United Kingdom 1d ago

I personally believe that this guy should receive the harshest punishment prescribed in 18 U.S. Code § 2381.

God, imagine

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u/ameriCANCERvative 1d ago edited 1d ago

Wouldn’t it be nice if we were bolder?

Then we wouldn’t have to bite our tongues

And wouldn’t it be nice to hold them guilty

In the kind of world where justice runs?

You know it’s gonna make it that much better

When we can say they’re charged and under oath

Wouldn’t it be nice if we could wake up

In the morning when the day is new

And after watching trials on every channel

Feel proud of what our country chose to do?

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Thanks chat gpt for helping me write a parody song about holding our leadership to account. It was genuinely a joint effort, I had to hold its hand.

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 1d ago

Please, enlighten us as to why you believe the word "terrorist" doesn't apply to the group that unlawfully entered the capitol on January 6, 2021, shouting slogans and waving signs expressing their intentions to murder politicians, which eventually ended with 174 injured police officers, 5 dead police officers, and 4 dead participants.

terrorist
noun

a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 18h ago

dont move goalposts please

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 17h ago

So you aren't even going to try to defend your statement?

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 11h ago

It stands alone. Truth shall set you free!

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 6h ago

Yeah, that's what I thought. The worst thing about conservatives isn't that they're compulsive liars - it's that they're cowards too. All a person has to do is push back a little bit on some dumb shit they've said and they fold just like you.

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 3h ago

I’m just watching you have a breakdown. You wanna argue and fight? Go outside and do it buddy

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 2h ago

Lmfao you're such a drama queen

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u/tdager 1d ago

Look, I am not fan of trump and am glad that those that hurt police officers were held accountable, but outside of a small group of people the vast majority that entered the Whitehouse were simply in "mob mode" and had not intention, nor capability, to overthrow the US government.

So no, they were not terrorists, and IMO we toss that word around way to easily (including the current administration).

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u/Nevermind04 Texas 1d ago

Which part of that definition does not apply to the "mob" on January 6th?

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u/GrunchJingo 22h ago

had not intention

Dog, they stormed the fucking capitol, rooted through politician's desks, and were on a hunt to murder those politicians. What could their intention have possibly been other than to overthrow the US government?

the vast majority that entered the Whitehouse were simply in "mob mode"

They were in a mob to overthrow the government and install Trump as dictator. It doesn't matter that that's not how any of this works. That was their intention, that's why they were there, that's why they stormed the capitol.

Like, listen, I don't even think the word terrorist should exist. I think it's used to deprive people of human rights and make people ignore any crimes against humanity the state commits against them.

But given every single piece of evidence, how can you possibly claim that the J6 insurrectionists did not aim to overthrow the government?

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u/Prudent-Air1922 1d ago

It's actually a fact, but I know those don't matter to people like you.

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 18h ago

I saw little old ladies waving tiny flags, it was amazing

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u/Prudent-Air1922 9h ago

Those little old ladies did go to jail/prison. Anyone actually just hanging out and doing a real protest were fine. It was the ones who violently broke in and forced the certification of the election to be halted. Police were attacked, windows were broken, and they forced entry (amount a lot of other things).

If you don't want to watch the videos, that's on you. But based on your "little old lady" comment I'm going to assume you're just a shill or acting in bad faith here.

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 3h ago

I watched it all. It was a great day, exposed many weaknesses if you knew where to look.

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u/redditlvlanalysis 1d ago

Naming terrorist insurrectionists who wanted to end the grand experiment as patriots is wildly hilarious

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u/YouBlinkinSootLicker 18h ago

its all about framing, you know this

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u/redditlvlanalysis 2h ago

No it's not. They are terrorists who tried to overturn the peaceful transfer of power and should be rotting in jail.

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