California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

[u/sweatycat]

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414

[u/Qubeye]

They can do it constitutionally by negotiating with a country so that country makes holes in their tariffs for goods made in California so they aren't included, and in exchange California spends some of their state budget to purchase goods made in that country, sponsoring visas, etc.

Perfectly legal. California gets more business revenue, keeps a good reputation, and will have a functional economy while everyone else crashes and burns under Trump.

Edit: Yikes, folks are severely misunderstanding both the Logan Act and the Treaty Clause.

California is allowed to award State contracts however they like so long as it doesn't violate state or federal laws. They want to build a school? They can hire a business from Namibia if they want, so long as the company and contract complies with state and federal law.

Namibia can, in turn, reduce tariffs against America on products which typically come from California.

There is nothing illegal about either of those things and the federal government cannot do anything about it.

What is MORE likely is President Shit-Btitches will fume (see what I did there???) about it and engage in retaliatory bullshit, wasting taxpayer money and attacking his own citizens because he's a whiny little bitch.

[u/Wild_Harvest → u/Qubeye]

So wait, if I'm understanding correctly, then California is not negotiating to bypass Trump's tariffs but is willing to subsidize the tariffs and keep costs down, and in exchange the country will put in exemptions to products shipped to them from California but not, say, Nevada?

That could be a good way to both bypass the tariff, and prop up California's economy as the dominant force in the US. I could see New York doing something similar, too.

[u/Qubeye → u/Wild_Harvest]

I'm not saying that is what they are planning to do.

My comment was meant to be more of a "I casually came up with a way to do it without violating the constitution."

I'm sure if I put more than thirty seconds of thought into it I could come up with even more robust, legitimate ways to do it.

[u/cjicantlie → u/Qubeye]

If the tariffs weren't enacted constitutionally, is it unconstitutional to bypass them?

[u/TraditionalClick992 → u/cjicantlie]

No, but that would end up in the courts very quickly. And I really doubt SCOTUS would say it's unconstitutional, especially not this SCOTUS.

[u/Exocoryak → u/cjicantlie]

Executive Orders have the power of law, even if they appear to be unconstitutional. If they are not stricken down by the courts or revoked by an Act of Congress, they have the full power of a federal law.

Compare it to chess. Someone might play an illegal move, but if the opponnent doesn't see it and makes his move, it becomes a legal move afterwards, even though it technically was an illegal move at the time it was played.

[u/gouramiracerealist → u/cjicantlie]

Tariffs are at the purview of the executive fyi

[u/Neve4ever → u/gouramiracerealist]

Congress. But congress delegated it to the executive, like they have with most things.

[u/gouramiracerealist → u/Neve4ever]

Yea, so the executive

[u/chronicpenguins → u/gouramiracerealist]

But congress can take it away, constitutionally it’s their power.

[u/gouramiracerealist → u/chronicpenguins]

Yea sure. It's more likely trump gets impeached than the executive is reigned in