r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/Level21DungeonMaster 1d ago

I hope so. These red states have been ruining everything for a long time, it’s long past time to cut them off.

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u/distortedsymbol 1d ago

yeah but each and every red state all have very blue urban centers, and even california has deep red areas in the middle.

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u/pagerussell Washington 1d ago

If America broke up there would be a huge sorting out. Conservatives would move to red areas and liberals to blue areas. Not everyone, of course, but there would be massive migrations. Millions of people moving this way and that.

Which on the net of it would be very bad for red states. Most educated people are liberal. Red states would be witnessing a massive brain drain that would ensure a slow death spiral into a third world country.

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u/McFlyParadox Massachusetts 1d ago

Which on the net of it would be very bad for red states. Most educated people are liberal. Red states would be witnessing a massive brain drain that would ensure a slow death spiral into a third world country.

Rock long term would also be very bad for "blue areas", as it would set the continent up for decades, if not centuries of tensions, violence, and war.

We either all hang together, or alone.

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u/IKetoth 1d ago

Would it though? Sure red states would be governed by the usual morons, but are they dumb enough to try and declare war on these imaginary blue coalition states that have 5-10x their economy and 3 times their population?

Being dumb and angry only carries you so far in war and I rather doubt the big defense contractors are gonna decide to stick with the clear losing side. Tensions? Yes, but there's tensions already. Open warfare? I don't know, but I doubt it.

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u/McFlyParadox Massachusetts 1d ago

Would it though? Sure red states would be governed by the usual morons, but are they dumb enough to try and declare war on these imaginary blue coalition states that have 5-10x their economy and 3 times their population?

Afghanistan and Iraq have populations a little larger than 1/10th of America, and much smaller economies. And they gave America a run for their money.

Asymmetrical warfare is pretty much impossible to counteract with an organized force. Usually you only see it against occupying forces, but that's not a requirement - just a common catalyst to create it. You only beat asymmetrical warfare by convincing the local population to stop engaging in it, and that has always taken the cooperation of the local government to make happen.

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u/IKetoth 1d ago

Yeah but... they didn't chose to be invaded by the americans, that's my point, they'd be going into that war knowing they'd end up like iraq and afghanistan. You try asking a conservative what they think of those places?

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u/McFlyParadox Massachusetts 1d ago

You try asking a conservative what they think of those places?

You try asking them what they think of California and New York?

If OAN spends enough air time going "someone should teach those blue states not to mess with Red states", eventually some of them will start to actually do something.