r/politics • u/sweatycat New York • 1d ago

California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/DBE113301 New York 1d ago

Yep. By the way, are we witnessing the complete dismantling of the United States? When the dust settles, are we just going to be 50 individual countries in what used to be the United States? As a New Yorker, fine by me. And all the Trump-loving assholes that live on my block can leave this state for a better life elsewhere. It'll be actually worse, but shhhh.

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u/b0w3n New York 1d ago

It's basically balkanization, regions will stratify. The midwest is going to have a very rough time. Most of the blue states don't even really rely on them for food, they ship most of it overseas.

Very very likely West coast becomes a region, New England + NY/NJ becomes a region (potentially with a few of the other blue states on the east coast), then the bible belt with FL becomes a region, and finally basically everything between the rockies and the mississippi becomes a region, excluding texas. I'm not entirely sure where places like Michigan/Minnesota/Illinois will end up, either in their own little mini region or just as sort of a loose "federal" conglomeration with the east/west coast excluding all those shitty red states is what I'm picturing.

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u/nysflyboy 1d ago

NY here too. I can imagine this happening, but I can't imagine it happening without a civil war, at least one like the recent movie. That is some scary shit. I suppose best case (other than something happening that turns this around at a federal level) would be a slow bloodless balkanization of states taking more power from the federal government, and/or ignoring the constitution. I think once you have anything official (treaty, constitutional convention, etc) you are looking at federal intervention/marshal law/civil war.

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u/b0w3n New York 1d ago

Start with the independent trade agreements, progress to "federal revenue escrow" where the economic powerhouse states like ours and CA + New England kind of band together and keep them from getting federal funding via taxes, and just cold civil war them to death.

Can't fight a war without paying your army.