r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 1d ago

Soft Paywall Obama Breaks Silence on Trump’s ‘Unimaginable’ Presidency - “Imagine if I had done any of this,” the former two-term president said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/obama-breaks-silence-on-trumps-unimaginable-presidency/
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u/Shipairtime 1d ago

if he had a network like Fox News spreading propaganda on his behalf 24/7.

Some chuckle head is gonna come in here and make the comparison so lets head it off.

No MSNBC is not the left wing fox.

When MSNBC goes to court for people such as Miss Maddow their argument is they are telling the truth and are willing to prove it.

Here is the direct quote from the case most people talk about:

"Argued that the challenged speech “is fully protected by California law and the First Amendment because it is an opinion based on fully disclosed facts, is not susceptible of the meaning [Herring] ascribes to it, and—even if it could be considered factual—is substantially true.”

Herring Networks v Rachel Maddow https://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2021/08/17/20-55579.pdf

And here is fox news.

"Fox News again moved to dismiss. The motion argues that when read in context, Mr. Carlson’s statements “cannot reasonably be interpreted as facts”

McDougal v. Fox News Network https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2019cv11161/527808/39/

So yeah who do you trust more? The ones willing to argue in court that they are telling the truth or the ones that just flat out say that you cant take their statements as fact?

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u/ThatEvanFowler 1d ago

Yeah, but the very people who need to understand this are the ones who have already been programmed to immediately dismiss it without consideration, assuming they ever even hear about it, which they won't.

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u/WilliamMButtlickerIV 23h ago

It's fucking terrifying how true this is. My step dad, who otherwise is a very smart man, had been sucked down this rabbit hole. I told him about the Fox News court case, and he just brushed it off. The cognitive dissonance is so huge, they will ignore all facts to reconcile their beliefs.

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u/ThatEvanFowler 21h ago

I have the exact same thing with my Mom. She just doesn't believe me. Not about their repeated admission under oath that no rational person should take anything on their network as fact, not about the billion dollar settlement for lying about irregularities in the 2020 election. She thinks that the fact that she has never heard about it on Fox News means that it's not true, rather than yet another example of Fox refusing to tell them what is going on. It's a goddamn nightmare. And round and round we go.