r/politics • u/Murky-Site7468 I voted • 17h ago
Poll Has AOC Leading Schumer by Nearly 20 Points in 2028 New York Primary | "What AOC is doing is leadership—and people see that," said one observer.
https://www.commondreams.org/news/aoc-schumer-poll-ny-primary-2028226
u/Previous-Pickle-6369 16h ago
Its 4 years until schumer is up for reelection. I respect the grind but people don't have long memories. Everyone is acting like the election is next year.
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u/_Cistern 14h ago
It puts pressure on Schumer to get his shit together.
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u/usa-britt 9h ago
I think I finally see what he’s doing almost? The dems have been basically absent from government since trump took office again. You quite literally can’t blame them and back for shitslide that had happened since. That’s not what they should do and if that is the actual plan fucking stop making us pay for it and suffering under this shit.
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u/Hypoglybetic 14h ago
I’d rather see her run for president. She’d mop the floor with anyone they chose.
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u/Aspiemoto 13h ago
Absolutely not. I like her. I would vote for her. This country is more misogynistic than racist and it is still pretty frickin racist. Look at Hilary, look at how poorly Kamala performed. The country isn't ready for a woman president. I wish it was.
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u/LilytheFire 11h ago
Let’s see if a woman can win without needing to defend the outgoing administration. Then I’ll buy that the country is too misogynistic to win. she would need to do about 500k votes better than Kamala across 4 states to win. I’d be willing to bet a woman could do that running against say an unpopular JD Vance in 2028.
It only needs to work once and then it won’t be nearly as controversial anymore. When republicans were given the choice to dump their loser 1 term President, they said fuck that and doubled down. And it worked. If I were calling the shots I would double down as well by running a woman again in 2028
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u/Massive-Oil9701 10h ago
The majority of sane Americans would easily vote for AOC over Trump/Vance after just the first 6 months of this regime.
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u/PluginAlong 10h ago
You over estimate how many sane Americans there are.
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u/Massive-Oil9701 8h ago
The 36% that didn't vote for anyone and like half of the rest that didn't vote for the reality star. Thats the majority of the country.
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u/Popisoda 2h ago
The only reality is that he is an orange shitstain on America's underwear
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u/Massive-Oil9701 1h ago
He's just the scapegoat for his corporate handlers. I wish people would stop focusing on one man and instead realize all the people behind him control the country no matter who's in office. Let that think in...focusing just on trump is just what they want while they rig everything for their benefit and send him to prison/disappear him after the presidency is over.
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u/Massive-Oil9701 8h ago
You underestimate how many sane Americans ain't voting for the lesser of two evils.
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u/PianistPitiful5714 3h ago
If you think it’s “sane” to just refuse to vote and let Trump take power, then I disagree with your definition of sanity.
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u/Massive-Oil9701 3h ago
Uh so what about all the elected democrats and how they've just sat and watched their stock portfolios skyrocket while trump tanks the economy? Some leadership they're showing, really inspiring confidence. At this point vote out every single person in the house and senate besides like a dozen of them. Both parties are owned by the same dark money. People really gotta do their lobbying homework go back to the 70s and 80s and read up. Why isnt every member of Congress and Senate up in arms about this? They're complicit on both sides of the aisle
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u/PianistPitiful5714 3h ago
Nah. Don’t you dare both sides this shit. One side is actively taking away my rights and freedoms as a woman and member of the lgbt community and is directly persecuting me. The other is not. They are not the same and acting like they are is a fucking privileged stance.
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u/PianistPitiful5714 3h ago
Lily, I truly hope you’re right and I’m wrong about this, but Clinton and Harris both fell short to Trump. Obama won in 2008 but I have my doubts he could win today. I fear that the country has regressed so badly that women and POCs are currently unable to win the Presidency.
Obama winning is what sent the Republican propaganda machine into overdrive to normalize the racism and sexism that have gripped the country. We are not the same nation we were 20 years ago and I fear we may take decades to get back to that point.
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u/Numerous-Attempt8414 11h ago
We could actually have a primary election and nominate the best and most popular candidate next time. I don’t know if I believe the whole “sexism is why she lost” angle. It’s not like we had a primary to vibe everything out beforehand. Maybe people didn’t like her pretending to be a Republican and touting endorsements from the Cheneys.
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u/unoriginal1187 10h ago
Yeah I voted for kamala but mostly because I feared what trump would do, not that I actually liked her as a candidate. I was voting 3rd party still when Hillary ran so I can’t say much about that one. AoC is a bit hardline on a few things I don’t agree with but she would easily get my vote. I mean I was hoping for Bernie to be the candidate in 2016 and I would have voted for him
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u/PianistPitiful5714 3h ago
Counterpoint, the country was offered a choice between a grifter who associates with literal Nazis and anyone else with a pulse and basic decency. We chose the grifter who associates with literal Nazis.
If you offer me that choice, I don’t much care that the Cheneys agree with me, I’m picking anyone else with a pulse.
The lack of a primary argument doesn’t sit well with me. When offered a choice between normalcy and the end of Democracy, a primary shouldn’t be the defining feature of what you pick. And quite frankly, I don’t think it was.
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u/ExplosiveDisassembly 10h ago edited 10h ago
I hate seeing this justification.
Why didn't Hilary win? She was a bad candidate. She, and her family, were the personification of entrenched familia dynasties. It's like if a Bush ran...regardless of gender, we don't like the name. Anyone with a brain (apart from the DNC) could have told you that. Jeb Bush also floundered that year with absolutely no backing.
Edit: Clinton was also mysteriously chosen as a frontrunner from a pool of very popular competition (Namely Bernie), seemingly against popular opinion.
Why didn't Kamala win? In my opinion, the exact same reason. She wasn't chosen through a primary, she didn't perform very well on the primary she did participate in...and a president who was (to the right) the definition of a crooked politician seemingly chose her.
Sure, being a woman had impacts in both cases...but I doubt it was the primary case.
Neither had a moderate enough background to pull any votes from the other side. Their name, or how they got nominated, were just too muchnto ignore.
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u/PianistPitiful5714 3h ago
We were presented with a choice between the end of democracy, a crashed economy, and criminals running the government or literally anything but that. Using the excuse of “well, I didn’t vibe with her” as the response as to why we allowed the former to win doesn’t sit well with me.
“I was told to choose between my friend being shot or a ham sandwich, but I didn’t vibe with the sandwich so I refused to choose and my friend was shot.”
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u/Hour_Gur4995 10h ago
Naw, we need her in the senate, a president is four years and then their done, pretty much relegated to cheering from the sidelines.
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u/TwoTalentedBastidz 12h ago
Yeah right. Did you not just see what happened in this last election? I swear you people still don’t get it
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u/Hypoglybetic 6h ago
I was pissed the moment she was picked to run. She was a DEI hire and Hillary v2. She only supported things that Wall Street wanted her to support. She had no ideas of her own, no passion. And she lost to the shittiest person ever to run. I am furious we didn’t have a primary or open convention. AOC has a track record of representing people, no corporations. I think she’s got the wit and grit to win. But I’m unsure if she’s got the stomach to do what is needed to fix America.
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u/PianistPitiful5714 3h ago
If you use the term “DEI hire” unironically, you’re the problem with this country. Genuinely.
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u/0nenoon 14h ago
Right wing media has spent years tarnishing her image. She’d never win.
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u/highroller_rob 13h ago
It depends, if the US is a smoldering economic ruin that she probably would
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u/Jables610 13h ago
You're wildly overestimating the intelligence of the American public by thinking she'd win even if.
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u/highroller_rob 13h ago
I can’t say what I would think of the American people if that happened
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u/Ramones_Razor 13h ago
This country clearly isn’t ready for a female president any time soon. If they try to run AOC then I’ll be fully convinced the Democratic Party hasn’t learned their lesson. As bad as I hate to say it, their next nominee needs to be a white male if they want any hope of winning. I’m sure someone will come at me claiming racism but that’s just how it is.
And before anyone says anything about it, yes I know Clinton won the popular vote but unfortunately the popular vote doesn’t win elections, the electoral college does.
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u/Shplippery 12h ago
I disagree, if the democrats let Kamala and Tim Walz do and say whatever they wanted like the republicans let Trump they’d have a much more enthusiastic voter base. Tim walz had like a 60% approval rating for vice president and after the debate with Vance it went down considerably because he pulled his punches. It was so bad Tim had to apologized to his voter base because he just sat there trying to find common ground with the worst guy imaginable instead of humiliating him.
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u/Available_Emphasis_6 9h ago
Hillary won the popular vote despite being divisive, a female centrist with true leadership capabilities could easily win. This country longs for true leadership.
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u/SweetCosmicPope 12h ago
Straight white male. Sorry Mayor Pete, the rubes in our country won't vote for you either.
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u/highroller_rob 13h ago
Maybe it’s just keep running women until the country is a complete totalitarian, dictatorship nightmare. If we haven’t learned our lesson, we deserve to live in hell.
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u/PianistPitiful5714 3h ago
Imagine how the rest of us feel, then, that we had 4 years of Trump already and a litany of his plans in the Project 2025 playbook and people still went “yeah I’d like some of that.”
You apparently need AOC to lose to get to that point, but many of us whose lives and rights are being taken away currently are already there.
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u/unoriginal1187 10h ago
I just had a trumper on Facebook tel me the current economic policy’s trumps enacting is to fix the economy Biden ruined. They will never learn
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u/umassmza 11h ago
House rep has never won, they’ll hammer her on experience as hypocritical as that may seem
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u/RoseBailey 41m ago
Put another way, AOC has an entire re-election between now and when she would seriously start thinking about a potential primary challenge.
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u/TheParadoxigm 17h ago
Good, out with the old.
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u/TheDamDog 16h ago
Cuck Schumer enabled this situation with his vote for the CR. Get him out of congress.
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u/DisMFer 17h ago
If people actually want a change in the party there needs to be a real movement to replace the old guard. Too often people talk about how "the party fights progressives" but when you look into it the fact is always that it is one isolated challenger trying to primary someone who has been in Congress for 30 years. Obviously the party is going to support the known quantity. The only way to change things is to have 100 plus challengers all over the country unify and work together.
That's how the Tea Party and MAGA movements got their way.
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u/rasa2013 54m ago
This.
Also, it's easier to usurp the momentum and structure of an existing party instead of entertaining these fantasies of third parties or all running independent.
I wish people would get that. If they want better from Democrats, the best option is to participate. Run for election. Canvass for candidates you like in the primary. Vote in primaries at least.
Granted, there are folks with marginal views who just won't find great representation anywhere until we get rid of our two party system. Gotta get there first though.
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u/Affectionate_Ad6273 13h ago
Sorry, but I hate the idea of AOC in the Senate in 2029.
I want her in the white house
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u/lindendweller 1h ago
Since she’s a great champion and communicator she could also be great VP if someone like walz were to head the ticket. Most VP,s are sidelined but I feelnlike AOC could leverage that position to mobilize people behind a democratic agenda.
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u/OnDrugsTonight United Kingdom 17h ago
Genuine question to the New Yorkers here: How is AOC's statewide appeal outside of NYC? Is New York State as a whole blue enough that she can carry the nomination (if she gets it) to a win or could rural New York still spoil it?
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u/mikey_ramone 17h ago
Outside of NYC, New York might as well be Alabama. A head’s up to my NY folks, you need to be registered as Democrat to vote in the primaries.
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u/mountaindoom 16h ago
Can confirm.
Our cities are blue, but the NY had some of the reddest rednecks in our country. Meth central between every major city.
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u/SomeDumbGamer 16h ago
Yeah NY is ridiculously empty outside of the Great Lakes area and NYC. A lot of people forget this.
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u/AdeptFuture9374 16h ago edited 16h ago
the likelihood that she'd lose in a state-wide race is very, very low imo. NY is a solidly blue state and I doubt trump's antics are gonna make it any redder. its a matter of whether she'd win in a primary against schumer. additionally, if i am correct, it would mean giving up running for her current seat in the house, which would also be up for reelection at the same time as those seats are up for reelection every 2 years. it'd be quite a gamble if she was to go head-to-head with schumer, but if he stepped aside and AOC won the senate primary, she'd probably win that election. source: i lived in NY for 5 years and moved out west a few years ago
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u/OnDrugsTonight United Kingdom 16h ago
That sounds reassuring enough, so I hope she can clinch the nomination. Basically, my main worry is that people living in a big city don't always have an appreciation of just how much in a bubble they are. I live in London, and when we had the Brexit vote in 2016, I was totally convinced we'd stay in the EU until I drove up to see a friend in the North of England a week before the vote and on the way I passed dozens, if not hundreds, of "Leave" signs when it dawned on me that "fuck, this may all go horribly wrong", which it did. So as long as AOC herself and her supporters are confident enough that she can carry the state, I really hope she'll throw her hat in the ring. Between her, Bernie, Jasmine Crockett, Maxwell Frost and a small handful of others, she really has the kind of energy the world needs right now. It's still a long way to go until 2028 anyway, but it's never too early to signal that fundamental change is indeed possible.
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u/Vegetableau 15h ago
I can relate to this after moving from Los Angeles to Idaho in 2016. It was like being in a different country.
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u/AdeptFuture9374 15h ago
For sure - I definitely understand as someone who's pretty much always lived in large cities and know how vibes in the cities can differ vastly to those outside of them. While NY has a substantial rural population in addition to Long Island which are reliable republican voters, the vast majority of New Yorkers are city-dwellers or live in urban areas, with 45% of the state living in NYC alone.
I'd love to see AOC have an even more influential role because her kind of leadership and principles are what the US (and Democrats ofc) needs to become a better country for all Americans.
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u/hunter15991 Illinois 14h ago
Not a New Yorker but someone who lives in another state with a primate city: While New York has shifted to the right in elections in recent years, even the worst performer (Gov. Hochul in 2022) still won by 6.4%. AOC would have a decent enough room for error, and if anything (given her outperformance of Hochul in her district and Harris in 2024) would be the kind of candidate who'd be able to stem some of the bleeding being seen because of declining Dem. turnout in other areas of NYC that look like her district.
Non-NYC New York also isn't that red. Sure, it's got its rural areas, but it also has Rochester, Buffalo, and Albany. If you remove NYC proper from New York, Harris would have lost it in 2024 - but only by 0.44%. Remove Long Island as well and she goes back to winning it by 2%. Remove Westchester and Rockland (immediate northern suburbs) and it goes back to R+0.6%.
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u/OtherPossibility1530 9h ago
Upstate NY follows the same pattern of the rest of the country - geography is red and population centers are blue. While NYC has a huge impact, people forget the blue cities upstate that make up a lot of the non-NYC population. Erie (Buffalo), Monroe (Rochester), Albany, Onondaga (Syracuse), and other counties, all went to Harris in 2024. The blue non-NYC counties account for millions of people upstate, where some of those geographically large red counties only have a few thousand.
I’d be curious to hear someone chime in about Long Island. I believe that’s the exception, in that there’s large population but it skews red.
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u/fermat12 10h ago
The crosstabs unfortunately don't show NYC vs upstate breakdowns, but her worst group (among Democratic voters) was self-described "moderates", where she trails Schumer 36-48, which is still pretty respectable, I'd say.
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u/Gausgovy 6h ago
If you look at New York election history what you’re concerned about just simply isn’t worth the worry.
New York City is the most densely populated city in the country and one of the most populous cities in the world. Sure it gets more conservative as you leave the city, but there are not enough conservatives in the state to offset the massive number of dedicated blue voters that will turn out for every election.
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 16h ago
She can win, the question is if she wants it. The campaign would be AOC vs AIPAC.
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u/c010rb1indusa 15h ago
Except for Westchester and Nassau county (suburbs right outside NYC) the rest of the state is red so wouldn't be deciding factor in a primary anyway. I can tell you as a NYer the cautious, by the book center-left voters that would usually be Schumers main body of support in those suburbs; even they know that this weak shit ain't working anymore. Whether it's enough to get behind AOC (or not show up at all in a primary) is tough to say though.
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u/OnDrugsTonight United Kingdom 14h ago
Ah yeah, my question was rather aimed at the actual election, assuming she could clinch a win in the primaries. No point having her as the candidate if New York State as a whole wouldn't vote for her in the general election.
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u/c010rb1indusa 14h ago
Well the GOP hasn't won a NY senate race since 1992 and those were the last of the old school Rockefeller republicans and those don't exist anymore so unlikely she loses if she wins the nomination.
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u/OnDrugsTonight United Kingdom 14h ago
That seems to chime with what the other replies have said, so that's reassuring. I had just wondered if the reason the Democrats haven't lost a senate race was because they happened to run establishment candidates like Schumer and if New York was actually ready to send a real progressive to the Senate. If you think they are, I'll very happily take your word for it.
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u/mightcommentsometime California 13h ago
I think that establishment candidates keep being NY senators because they are the ones who appeal statewide. But I could be wrong.
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u/OrbeaSeven Minnesota 14h ago
US needs younger, more attuned to middle class needs. Schumer needs to go.
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u/Mother-Dish-2670 16h ago
The senior citizens that have been in Congress for over 20 years need to retire and Never be heard from again
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u/paxwells97 13h ago
It's clear now America would be an infinitely better place right now with sanders at the helm in 2016 and 2020 and passing the torch to aoc.
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u/Important-Ability-56 14h ago
She doesn’t become minority/majority leader by defeating the current minority leader, you know.
I am not enough of an expert campaign strategist like all the other people on the internet to know whether Schumer is doing bad or good work. I just don’t give a crap.
Elect Democrats. Have your fun in primaries. Just get over it the next day and elect Democrats for God’s sake.
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u/NoInstructio3 9h ago
Electing shitty democrats is how we got here in the first place
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u/notfeelany 4h ago
Actually based on who won majorities in Congress, and who won the Presidency, the problem is not enough Democrats got elected at all.
That's how we got "here"
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u/Important-Ability-56 8h ago
Electing any Democrat is better than electing any Republican so I don’t really know what your point is.
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u/in1gom0ntoya 10h ago
yeah I'd love to see her and more young and vocal gems in important positions but 3 years going at the current pace is a LONG fucking time.
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u/Maunfactured_dissent 8h ago
I love aoc and all but Its 2025 yall stfu with polling.
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u/rasa2013 51m ago
You act like they were off by 20 points. They've been off by like 5 points.
A single poll isn't super helpful, especially this far from the actual election though.
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u/notfeelany 4h ago
A poll where one of the choices did not even announce she's running for the seat? Another useless poll from the political astrology industry
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u/Lore_ofthe_Horizon 4h ago
To bad there won't be a fucking election in 2028, kings do not hold elections.
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u/JJscribbles Florida 1h ago
The DNC sees it too, it’s why they stopped talking about her and Bernie, and started acting like booker lit some fuse.
If Booker is leading the charge, he’s doing it from behind Bernie and AOC.
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u/vellius 16h ago
I wish it could be possible but it's just a fantasy...
Those that voted for trump will never vote for a women... it sucks but it's the reality. Half the country is not ready for this. TWICE they choose to vote in that fucking idiot instead.
We are stuck with Trump because they tried to rush in a women thinking people would not be stupid enough to vote him in again and they fucking did!
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u/redisburning 13h ago
Harris outperformed Biden's internal polling numbers significantly. You will recall that Biden is a white man.
Democrats need to offer an answer to how bad things have gotten for anyone in the US except the wealthiest. "Not Trump" is not a winning strategy. Offering material solutions to the American people, such as a real effort to tackle student loan debt and medical costs, is a winning strategy.
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u/Lehrasap 12h ago
Obama did get a lot of votes. Also Hillary got more votes than Trump.
Trump won due to other factors, and not for being a male white.
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u/Glittering-Path-2824 California 11h ago
cough there might be a cough simpler explanation, namely who will actually be around in 2028?
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u/wing03 9h ago
Canadian POV, amazement that something 3 years away is being talked about now.
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u/Gutterblade 4h ago
As a Dutchie its insane these long ass campaigns, just to raise cash to run properly.
You know you missed a turn or 10 when your candidates in a democracy are not viable unless they convince money before voters first.
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u/globeglobeglobe 53m ago
Socialists and social democrats should stop pushing energy into merely obtaining higher office, and instead try to establish a strong foothold at the local and state levels and getting into a position to influence policy. The New York mayor’s contest right now is between a corrupt ex-cop (Adams) who will probably fall upwards into the Trump admin if he doesn’t win, and an uninspiring establishment Democrat (Cuomo). NYC mayor is a much more winnable contest than Senator (which would hinge on centrist suburban votes) and would allow her to do a lot more good, particularly in areas like affordable housing, than she could as an individual Senator (assuming she doesn’t get a committee chair).
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u/CadetNoob 16h ago
This is distraction bullshit. We aren’t going to make to 2026 at this rate. What the fuck does a 20 point poll 3 years out do for anyone besides drive up clicks on an article? I get that Schumer is shit. Then do something about it tomorrow as a caucus instead of waiting for the next election to try and implement changes within a more controlled MAGA world? This sucks. I hate it here.
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u/DFGone 16h ago
God I hope they nominate her, easy W in 2028
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u/Aggravating-Path2756 14h ago
The US needs a white man, not a woman. Because for the majority, it is a white man like Newsom that is needed
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u/Emp3r0r_01 14h ago
Newsom is a bit polished. I think someone more like Walz. And he’s got a great slogan: “Walz has the balls!”
Joking aside I hope we have a strong field in 2028.
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u/DFGone 12h ago
Walz is even worse lol
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u/Emp3r0r_01 12h ago
How so? Admittedly I don’t know lots about him. I just like his willingness to take a real swipe at these guys and his possible slogans!
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u/redisburning 13h ago
Please go listen to his podcast so you can disabuse yourself of the notion we need Newsom.
He is a fucking moron.
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u/bootlegvader 11h ago
it is a white man like Newsom that is needed
Beshear or Shapiro are better picks than Newsom.
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u/Aggravating-Path2756 5h ago
Remind you where Reagan was from? So the governor of California is an ideal option for the elections, and Shapiro can become vice president. And after tariffs against the whole world (even for an island where only penguins live) Trump repeated the fate of Hoover, so the Democrats need a centrist candidate and preferably popular and from the largest and richest state in the country. You just need to shove these progressives far away and for the Democrats to become either centrists or full-fledged social democrats and then victory will be in the bag.
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u/Lehrasap 12h ago
But Obama did win big.
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u/Aggravating-Path2756 4h ago
Society today is already different than 16 years ago, as you can see Trump and Nazi Musk won, so you need to choose a centrist candidate and preferably a white man (and for the vice president to also be a centrist). So no people of color, women or transgender people - the US, as 2020 and 2024 have shown, needs a white man (but preferably he should be 45-60 years old). So Obama would not have won today, because he was a shitty president, because of whom Trump became president.
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u/OneSeaworthiness7768 7h ago
Newsom is too slimey.
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u/Aggravating-Path2756 5h ago
You need to win and you don't understand that the US needs a centrist candidate and a white male. So Newsom is the perfect option to win, or you need to find a "Democrat Ronald Reagan" to win, and so with AOC you are doomed to lose as with any woman. It's time to stop choosing losers like Harris, Clinton and AOC - you need to choose a white male centrist (like Biden who is 30 years younger, because Biden won because he is a centrist, and not because Trump screwed up so much in 2020 (although this also played a role). Either a white male centrist, or J.D. Vance will become president in 2028 or Donald Trump will have a 3rd term. Or there will be a revolution.
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u/red23011 16h ago
If she runs against him you're going to see the DNC and AIPAC throwing an amount of money at Schumer that exceeds the GDP of some smaller countries.
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u/Bthejerk 17h ago
People are sick and tired of the do nothing Democrats. We already expect the Republicans to screw us, but the Democrats just pay lip service and don’t do anything for us. They are too beholden to their corporate masters and won’t do anything that actually helps working class people. Instead, they spend their time on social issues which while important, don’t affect the lives of every single person. There’s an old saying “it’s the economy stupid”. Specifically, is the economy making people’s lives easier? And for the last 40 years, at least, the economy has been squeezing bit by bit more and more from the middle class and transferring that wealth up the chain. As the great George Carlin once said:
“The rich have all the money do none of the work and pay none of the taxes, the middle class do all of the work and pay all of the taxes… the poor are just there to scare the shit out of the middle class; keep’em showing up at those jobs!”
I’m glad to see AOC is taking the lead. It is still to be determined whether she will be effective. But her and Bernie are about the only people that seem even a little bit trustworthy. And while they are still not where I’d like them to be on standing up to Israel, I understand that we need to take this step at a time.
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 16h ago
do nothing.Democrats
This is NY. A state where the Democrats have delivered decent min wage (more than Bernie has ever proposed), labor rights, mandatory paid sick leave, mandatory paid parental leave, and more.
Most of what NY federal politicians do is try to give red states what we already have. Take your BSAB shit elsewhere.
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u/c010rb1indusa 15h ago edited 15h ago
Listen I love my state but the problem with lots of these programs is that these things are often locked behind lots of red tape or means tested to shit or come in the form of things like 'advanced tax rebates' etc. with floating costs. that they might as well not exist for many people. NY State itself has the same population of Norway, Sweden and Denmark Combined and twice the GDP of those combined countries....We're big enough and rich enough do the full scandanavian model so I think we can do a lot better than the half measures we have in place now.
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 14h ago
That's a completely different message vs what the guy I'm talking to is saying.
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u/c010rb1indusa 13h ago
Is it though? Whether the solutions offered by the dems exist by design and/or incompetence, the result are largely the same.
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 13h ago
This is him:
the Democrats just pay lip service and don’t do anything for us. They are too beholden to their corporate masters and won’t do anything that actually helps working class people
This is you:
We're big enough and rich enough do the full scandanavian model so I think we can do a lot better than the half measures we have in place now
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u/c010rb1indusa 12h ago
the Democrats just pay lip service and don’t do anything for us. They are too beholden to their corporate masters and won’t do anything that actually helps working class people
DESIGN
We're big enough and rich enough do the full scandanavian model so I think we can do a lot better than the half measures we have in place now
INCOMPETENCE
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u/Emp3r0r_01 14h ago
Look I get it. Not all Dems are the issue something the other commenter doesn’t understand. That said Senate Dem leaders failed repeatedly. The national minimum wage is $7.25, right? What did they do on voter’s rights? What did they do on student loans? The people we need to win over just see Democrats dithering.
You can Bernie bash all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that Chuck didn’t have the juice to wrangle Dems in the senate. It’s not that we didn’t have the numbers in the chamber.
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 14h ago
The national minimum wage is $7.25, right?
Every state that still has $7.25 min wage is Republican and has been for decades. They keep re-electing that min wage.
What did they do on voter’s rights?
https://www.npr.org/2025/04/03/nx-s1-5351751/voting-executive-order-lawsuit
All 19 states suing Trump over his voting EO are Democrat
What did they do on student loans?
Discharge 5 million loans, would've been more if the SCOTUS didn't get in the way.
You can Bernie bash all you want but it doesn’t change the fact that Chuck didn’t have the juice to wrangle Dems in the senate. It’s not that we didn’t have the numbers in the chamber.
What could you have done in Chuck's place to get Manchin and Sinema to vote with you to remove the filibuster in 2022? They were not running for re-election.
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u/Emp3r0r_01 14h ago
Yes my state is suing the admin… that doesn’t change The US Senate failed.
Again national minimum wage is still 7.25. Penn is one of those states and we need them to win. That only changes with action in congress. The US Senate failed. It’s all well and good to blame it on the conservatives… the problem is Chuck ran the senate the buck stops there.
What could I have done? I’m not in the senate nor am I in the leadership. The point is neither should he.
Chuck is 74 it is time for new leadership.
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 14h ago
Okay, sure. But do you agree with any of this shit? Because this shit is what I was responding to:
They are too beholden to their corporate masters and won’t do anything that actually helps working class people. Instead, they spend their time on social issues which while important, don’t affect the lives of every single person. There’s an old saying “it’s the economy stupid”. Specifically, is the economy making people’s lives easier?
And unlike you, this guy was not talking specifically about the senate.
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u/Emp3r0r_01 13h ago
Well… they are not wrong that economic issues are more palatable to voters. I don’t think they are super deep into politics either. They are blankly blaming all Dems which shows that. Dems are clearly doing what we should at the state level as you aptly pointed out!
However, the national Dems are not looking good. Perceived as well as real economic problems and Dems failing to show leadership. Rightfully or wrongfully(mostly this one) that’s what a lot of people seemed to vote on.
(Unrelated After 3300 points in 2 days I bet people think Dems look better! Oi!)
I was mostly responding to how you responded. Dems need to challenge our leadership (and people like those senators you mentioned) alot more than we are. Also like it or not Bernie’s message has cross party appeal that will only grow when the shit hits the fan. People want change. They have wanted it for a long time. Not providing it is killing us. It is in part how Trump/GOP keeps wining. That’s just my $0.02.
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 13h ago
Earlier I alluded to this point, but I'm going to make it clear:
The states that have $7.25 min wage are red and keep re-electing the people keeping it that way. Same for the ACA expansion. Same for labor rights, paid leave, etc.
If it was as simple as Bernie's message of helping the downtrodden, explain why red states keep re-electing the people keeping them downtrodden. Explain why they can't look at any blue state and think: hey maybe we should elect people who do that.
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u/Emp3r0r_01 12h ago
Again not all those states are red. We need Penn.
Bernie? Well we don’t live up to any of what he has put forward nationally. We don’t even try in the senate… that’s the issue. We had the power and failed to lead.
Edit Furthermore, if we wanna keep losing elections and turning states like Penn red will keep going this direction.
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u/Chance_Warthog_9389 12h ago
Again not all those states are red. We need Penn.
Again, you're dodging the question. Why do they keep voting Republican if they want a higher min wage?
In fact, why would they vote Democrat after we give it to them federally? Gratitude? They wouldn't just take it and keep voting Republican due to all the reasons they already vote Republican?
Well we don’t live up to any of what he has put forward nationally.
(1) We literally have higher min wage than he proposed.
(2) We have 12 weeks of paid family leave, which he proposed.
I said this shit 5 comments ago.
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u/mymomknowsyourmom 16h ago
??? What is this? Why the attempt to make it seem like Trump is doing what Dems want? lol
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u/tabrizzi 15h ago
Once it becomes clear he'll likely lose, he might pull a Lieberman and run as an Independent.
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u/ThatleftyBen America 15h ago
She will be a leader as we rebuild what will be destroyed in the coming years.
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u/PontificatinPlatypus 11h ago
The only problem is that AOC also represents a few toxic elements that the Democrats need to cut out like the electoral cancer they are, if we ever want to win an election again. I don't think she's mature, or realistic enough, to drop those issues as they need to be.
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u/Pretend-Principle630 16h ago
Is this an election for something? Why is everyone cheering an internet poll. Are we morons here?
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u/scotcetera 16h ago
There's no paywall, so you can read the article for free. It's not an internet poll.
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u/BummerKitty 17h ago
I am not impressed.
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u/Ancient_Popcorn Ohio 17h ago
Why?
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u/BummerKitty 17h ago
AOC is the left version of Marjorie Taylor Green. She just likes attention and will do anything for it. Any one remember her dumb photoshoot at the border?
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u/TheParadoxigm 17h ago
Please give any example of AOC having an equivalent to "Jewish Space Lasers", or showing the President's Son's dick on the floor of congress?
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u/Brokkyn2024 16h ago
Except AOC actually fights for our rights… is significantly more intelligent and actually understands the importance of her job… also isn’t a sycophant to anyone… supports her constituents… and on and on…
Your comparison has to be sarcasm.
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u/scotcetera 16h ago
This is one of the dumber MAGA talking points. You know we've all heard both of them speak, right?
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