r/politics • u/harsh2k5 • 1d ago

Soft Paywall The Trump Administration Just Violated Another Court Order | It gets worse: The order found that the administration was covertly withholding millions in FEMA funds from blue states.

https://newrepublic.com/post/193650/trump-administration-just-violated-another-court-order
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u/Lord-Velveeta 1d ago

So what happens when citizens of the blue states like NYS and California who are bankrolling the red welfare states stop sending tax money to DC?

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u/NotA_Drug_Dealer Europe 1d ago

California is already floating negotiation of trade agreements with other countries independent of the federal government. Which, while illegal, shouldn't surprise anyone. Because illegal means nothing when the federal government doesn't follow its own laws.

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u/dublstufOnryo 1d ago

Unfortunately, I think California will still be expected by the lawless to follow laws. This is going to get extremely ugly.

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u/sgtgig 1d ago

All blue states need to do it in unison. Turn the illegal bullshit firehose back in their face.

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u/dublstufOnryo 1d ago

I agree, I just don’t think it’s going to happen anytime soon. I truly hope that I’m wrong, but I don’t have a lot of faith left.

I live in Oregon. I would love nothing more than for this to happen.

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u/MaddyKet 1d ago

New York is trying: https://www.localsyr.com/news/state-news/legislation-proposed-to-withhold-new-yorks-payments-to-the-federal-government/

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u/dublstufOnryo 1d ago

Here’s hoping that it starts something bigger, and that it works.

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u/occono 23h ago

While I think Trump and the Republican party are instigating it, the something bigger you're talking about is the incitement of civil war. That's what's going to happen. If his regime is taking taxes and denying benefits, he's pushing for civil war by the US government against blue states. And given his regime pushes for invasion of Greenland and even Canada, I imagine it's not looking for breaking up the country peacefully, it will be looking to turn all blue states red by mass violence if necessary.

I hate him, and the evil that falls in line with him, which is why I'd advise being realistic about what a tax strike by blue states is going to lead to. Look at what his party says about Greenland, look at what they did to blue states during COVID. I would temper your hope with realism that civil war is going to be a very bad time to live through, even if it's inevitable and started by evil people, hope might be an awkward word.

A constitutional convention that leads to peaceful dissolution is on the optimistic side of things. And if I'm wrong I'll be very very happy. Is the military going to follow his orders?

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u/ThinkyRetroLad America 16h ago

I don't want civil war by any means, but short of a tumultuous revolution by a disenfranchised group or other extreme political action soon (just being as vague and broad as possible here, Reddit), I am beginning to fear it is the only potential solution that isn't fascism for the country.

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u/occono 16h ago

All I was saying is, their wording was maybe a bit too optimistic, about where this is all being driven by the Trump regime.

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u/NotA_Drug_Dealer Europe 1d ago

California isn't the only state floating this idea currently. I can't recall the others but I believe there's like 2-3

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u/raptorlightning 23h ago

They are more than welcome to become tasty, tasty ground beef.

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u/NickelBackwash 1d ago

Republicans can be lawless. 

Dems must be flawless

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u/divDevGuy 22h ago

I'm still not sure how those agreements are supposed to work even if they were legal/valid, or even just a handshake, nod, and we'll see-what-we-can-do type of thing.

If I was another country, I'd acknowledge that California and similar states didn't ask for this trade war, but they are none the less still part of the "enemy". If my goods coming into the country are subject to arbitrary and unfair tariffs, then goods coming from the US should similarly be taxed, regardless of which state might have produced them.