r/politics • u/Mason_Miami • 1d ago

Conservative group claims Trump's tariffs illegally usurp powers of Congress

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/this-unlawful-impost-must-fall-conservative-group-sues-trump-claiming-tariffs-are-unconstitutional-exercise-of-legislative-power/
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u/steve_ample I voted 1d ago

I fail to see how the many conservative groups who have traditionally been more ideological than not have kept silent for so long are only beginning to pipe up now. As if the separation of powers is something to be defended. As if the rule of law matters. As if elections matter. As if due process is a thing. As if judicial independence is a thing. As if supreme court justices must be above reproach.

Johnny-come-latelies, if at all.

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u/RedPanda5150 1d ago

Well they weren't personally losing a lot of money in a crashing stock market before now. You can't expect them to care about hurting other people, be reasonable!

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u/SaintGloopyNoops 22h ago

Ding! Ding! Ding! This is the only reason they give a shit now. They are only acting out of self-preservation.

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u/pigfoot 1d ago

If you look at their litigation history, they’ve consistently chosen cases that center around Executive overreach.

You may not like the particular remedies that they developed or from this perspective (I don’t), but it seems fairly consistent.

That’s the thing about balance of powers - it needs to be consistent regardless of the political flavor of the Executive. This case is representative of the kind of battles they pick, for better or worse.

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u/TheMadBug 1d ago

Genuine question - did this same conservative group have litigation when Trump used his executive overreach to -

Kidnap people to prison without judicial oversight?

Fire investigator generals without cause?

Chaotically slash funding / employment allocated by congress?

Give excessive amounts of top secret information to a private citizen?

Completely replace boards of what were meant to be independent organisations?

Violate the hatch act by having a car commercial on the White House lawn?

Or do they only litigate when the stock market is in danger? And presumably when interest payments on student loans are forgiven?

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u/pigfoot 1d ago

No. But I said that they were consistent not exhaustive. You can read a list of the cases they brought to the Supreme Court on Wikipedia.

And yeah, I think they suck too.

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u/TheMadBug 1d ago

Ugh I just checked their Wikipedia. Should have known they were a Koch group.

I could argue pedantically with you if they’re consistent or not - but no point as we both agree they suck.

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u/tehMarzipanEmperor 1d ago

They key is that they are waking up and it's not entirely too late.

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u/peterabbit456 1d ago

I fail to see how the many conservative groups who have traditionally been more ideological than not ...

The reason the KGB and FSB have been so successful at infiltrating and turning conservative groups like the NRA into communist front organizations is that only the rank and file are at all ideological. The people at the top have no principles other than to grift as much cash out of their membership as possible. They aren't loyal to any political, philosophical or ideological principles. They are loyal to their fat salaries, big expense accounts, and free vacations (with or without hookers).

When the KGB/FSB started pumping tens of millions of dollars into conservative organizations, suddenly those salaries, expense accounts and vacations were at the pleasure of their new masters. So of course, policy had to match what the paymasters wanted.